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ุงูู
ุงูุฑูููุ ูุบูุฑ ุงูู
ุงูุฑูููุ ูุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ุงูุฐูู ูุงุฌุฑูุง ู
ุคุฎุฑูุง ุฅูู ุงูุจูุงุฏ. | maori, non-maori, teachers who had recently immigrated to the country. |
ู
ู ุฌู
ูุน ุงูุฏูู ูู ุฌู
ูุน ุฃูุญุงุก ุงูุนุงูู
. | from all countries all over the world. |
ูุงูุช ุงูู
ุญุงุฏุซุงุช ุงูุชู ุฃุฌุฑููุงูุง ู
ุนูู
ู
ุชุดุงุจูุฉ ุฌุฏูุง. | the conversations that we had with them were very similar. |
ูุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุญุฏ ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ุงูุชู ุชุนูู
ุชูุง ูุงู ููุท ูุฃูู ู
ุงูุฑู. | and I think one of the things that I learned was just because you are maori. |
ูุฐุง ูุง ูุนูู ุงูููู ุฅูู ุณูู ุชููู ุทุจูุนููุง ู
ุนูู
ูุง ุฃูุถู ูุทูุงุจ ุงูู
ุงูุฑู. | it does not mean to say that you are naturally going to be a better teacher of maori students. |
ุฅูู ุชุฌูุจ ู
ุนูุง ุชูู ุงูู
ุนุชูุฏุงุช ุงููุงูุตุฉ ููุณูุง ุบุงูุจูุง. | you bring with it those same deficit beliefs often. |
ุงูุชู ุชุฏูู
ู
ุน ุฏูุงู
ุฉ ูุทูุงุจ ุงูู
ุงูุฑู. | that perpetuate with spiral for maori students. |
ูุฐูู ูู
ููู
ู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ููุช ู
ู ุงูู
ุงูุฑู ุฃู ู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ููุช ู
ู ุบูุฑ ุงูู
ุงูุฑู. | so it did not matter whether you are maori or whether you are non-maori. |
ุณูุงุก ููุช ู
ูุงุฌุฑูุง ุญุฏูุซูุง ุฃู ููุช ูุฏ ููุฏุช ูู ูููุฒูููุฏุง. | whether you are a recent immigrant or who you had been born in New Zealand. |
ูุงูุช ูุง ุชุฒุงู ููุงู ูุฑุตุฉ ููุญููู ูุถูุงู ุนู ุงูู
ุดููุงุช. | there was still the opportunity for solutions as well as problems. |
ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ุงูุณุคุงู ุงูุซุงูู ูุงู | the second question I think was |
ู
ุง ูุฌุฏูุงู ู
ู ุญูุซ ุงูุชุทููุฑ ุงูู
ููู. | what we have found in terms of the professional development. |
ูุชุนูู ุนููู ุฃู ุฃููู ุฅู ุงูุชุทููุฑ ุงูู
ููู ููู
ุนูู
ูู ูุชุจุน. | I have to say that the professional development for the teachers follows. |
ู
ุง ุฃุฎุจุฑูุง ุงูุทูุงุจ ุจู
ุง ูุนู
ู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ููู
. | what students told us what work for them. |
ููุฐูู ูุฅููุง ูุชุจุน ุงูู
ุจุงุฏุฆ ููุณูุง. | and so we follow that same principles. |
ุฅูู ููุฌ ู
ุชูุงู
ู ุฌุฏูุง. | it is a very integrated approach. |
ุฅูู ููุณ ุฐูู ุงูุทุงุฆุฑุ ูุฐูู ุงูุทุงุฆุฑุ ูุฐูู ุงูุทุงุฆุฑ. | it is not that bird, that bird, and that bird. |
ูุณุฃุชุฑู ุงูุทุงุฆุฑ ุฎุงุฑุฌูุง. | and I will leave bird out. |
ูู ูุนู
ู ุฐูู. | that will not work. |
ุฅูู ูู ุฐูู ู
ุนูุง ุจุทุฑููุฉ ุดุงู
ูุฉ ูู
ุชูุงู
ูุฉ ุฌุฏูุง. | it is all of it together in a very holistic and integrated way. |
ููุฐูู ูุฅู ุงูุชุทููุฑ ุงูู
ููู ุงูุฐู ูุชุจุนู. | and so the professional development that we follow. |
ูุณุชุฎุฏู
ุฃุฏูุฉ ูุซูุฑุฉ ุฌุฏูุง ููุชุงุฆุฌ ุงูุทูุงุจ. | uses very much evidence of student outcomes . |
ุงูู
ุนุฐุฑุฉ ุนูู ุงูุณู
ุงุญ ููู
ุนูู
ูู ุจุงูุชูููุฑ ูู ุงูุชุฃุซูุฑุ ูุงููููุฐ. | sorry to allow the teachers to reflect on the impact, the influence. |
ุงูุฐู ูููู ููุชุฏุฑูุณ ุนูู ูุฐู ุงูู
ุฌู
ูุนุงุช ู
ู ุงูุทูุงุจ. | that the teaching is having on those groups of students. |
ูุฐูู ูุฅูู ู
ุณุชู
ุฑุ ูู
ุชูุฑุฑุ ูู
ุณุชูุฏ ุฅูู ุฏููู. | so it is ongoing, it iterative, it is evidenced based. |
ูู
ุง ูุชู
ุงูุฅุฎุจุงุฑ ุจู ุจูุงุณุทุฉ ุงูุฏููู ุงูุฐู ููุดุฆู. | and it also is informed by the evidence that it generates. |
ุฃุฌู. | yeah. |
ุดูุฑูุง ูู ุฃูุง ุฌููุณ. | thank you I am Joyce. |
ุฃุฑุฏุช ุฃู ุฃุณุฃู ู
ุง ูู ุฏูุฑ ุงููุงูุฏูู ูุงูู
ุฌุชู
ุน. | I wanted to ask what is the role of parents and the community. |
ูุฃู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ูุฐู ุงูุฃููุงุฑ ูุง ุชุชุฃุซุฑ ููุท ุจุงูู
ุนูู
ูู. | because a lot of these ideas are not only impacted by the teachers. |
ุงูุฑุณุงุฆู ุงูุชู ูุณู
ุนูุง ุงูุฃุทูุงู ู
ู ุงูู
ูุฒู ุชุตูุน ูุฑููุง ูุจูุฑูุง ุฌุฏูุง. | the messages that children hear from home makes a very big difference. |
ุจุดุฃู ููููุฉ ุงุณุชู
ุฑุงุฑูู
ูู ุฑุคูุฉ ุงูุนุงูู
. | on how they continue to see the world. |
ูุฃููู
ูุฏ ูุณู
ุนูู ุงููุตุฉ ุจุดูู ู
ุฎุชูู ุจุงูุฎุงุฑุฌ. | because they may hear the story differently outside. |
ููู ู
ุง ูููุฐู ุงูุขุฎุฑูู ูุชูุฑุฑ ูู ุงูู
ูุฒูุ ุฅููู
ูู
ูููู ุฅูู ุงุนุชูุงุฏ ุฐูู ููุชุฑุฉ ุทูููุฉ. | but what others are enforcing is repeated at home, they will tend to believe that for a long time. |
ูุฑุจู
ุง ูู
ูู ููู
ุฑุก ุชูุณูุฑ ุงูุชุบููุฑ ุฃุณุฑุน ุฅุฐุง ุชู
ุฅุดุฑุงู ุงููุงูุฏูู ูุงูู
ุฌุชู
ุน. | and maybe one can facilitate change faster if parents and the community is involved. |
ุดูุฑูุง ูู. | thank you. |
ุดูุฑูุง ูู ุฌููุณุ ุฃูุง ุฃุญุจ ุณุคุงูู. | thank you Joyce, I love your question. |
ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ุงูุดูุก ุงูู
ูู
ุญููุง ูู ุฃููู ูุงูุฏุฉ. ุฃูุง ุฌุฏุฉ. | I think the thing that is really important is that I am a parent. I am grandparent. |
ุฅููุง ุฌู
ูุนูุง ุขุจุงุก ูุฃู
ูุงุช ููุฑูุฏ ูุฃุทูุงููุง ูุฃุญูุงุฏูุง ุงูุฃูุถู ุฌุฏูุง. | we are all parents and we want for our children and for our grandchildren the very best. |
ูุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุญุฏ ุงูู
ูุงูู ุงูุชู ุงุนุชุงุฏุช ุฅุซุงุฑุฉ ุงูุชู
ุงู
ู ุฏุงุฆู
ูุง. | and I guess one of the situations that always used to interest me. |
ูู ูู
ุงุฐุง ูุธูุฑ ุงูุขุจุงุก ุบูุฑ ู
ุนูู ุนููู
ุ ูุบูุฑ ู
ุฏุนููู ุฌูุฏูุง ูู ูููุฒูููุฏุง ุนูู ุฃู ุญุงู. | is why do parents turn up unannounced, uninvited well in New Zealand anyway. |
ุนูุฏู
ุง ูููู ุฃุทูุงููู
ููุนุจูู ุงูุฑูุงุถูุฉ. | when their children are playing sports. |
ูู
ุงุฐุง ูุธูุฑูู ุบูุฑ ู
ุฏุนููู ุบูุฑ ู
ุนูู ุนููู
. | why do they turn up uninvited unannounced. |
ุนูุฏู
ุง ูุดุงุฑู ุฃุทูุงููู
ูู ุงูุฃูุดุทุฉ ุงูุซูุงููุฉ. | when their children are engaged in cultural activities. |
ูู
ุงุฐุง ูุง ูุธูุฑูู ูุนูููุง. | why do they actually not turn up. |
ุนูุฏู
ุง ูููู ูุฏููู
ุฎุทุงุจ ูููู ุฃุฑูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ุณููู ุงุจูู. | when they have a letter saying I want to talk about your son's behavior. |
ุฃุนูู ู
ุง ูุญุงูู ูุนูู ูู ูููุฒูููุฏุง | I mean what we are trying to do in New Zealand |
ููุชุดุฑ ูุนูููุง ุฅูู ุงูู
ุฌุชู
ุน. | is actually spread out to the community. |
ููู ุฃูุถูุง ูุฌุนู ุงูู
ุฌุชู
ุน ูุตู ุฅูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ. | but also to have the community reaching into the school. |
ูุฃููู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ููุงูุฏุฉุ ูุฌุฏุฉ. | because I think as a parent, as a grandparent. |
ุฃูุง ู
ุชุนุจุฉ ููููุงู ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุชู ุชููู ูู ู
ุง ูุฌุจ ูุนูู ุญูุงู ุชุนููู
ุทููู. | I am a little bit tired of schools telling me what to do about my child's education. |
ู
ุน ุฐูู ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฑุงุฏุช ุงูุงูุฎุฑุงุท ู
ุนู. | however if they want to engage with me. |
ุจุญูุซ ูู
ูููู ุงูู
ุณุงูู
ุฉ ุจุทุฑููุฉ ุชูุฑูุฑ ุงูู
ุตูุฑ ูุดุฑูู ู
ุณุงูู. | so that I can contribute in self determining way as an equal partner. |
ุฅุฐูุง ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃููุง ุณูู ูุตูุน ุงููุงุฑู ููุง. | then I think we are going to make the difference here. |
ูู ูุฐู ุงูุขููุฉ ู
ุน ุงูู
ุฑุญูุฉ ุงูุฎุงู
ุณุฉ. | at the moment with phase five. |
ูุณูููู ู
ู ุงูู
ุซูุฑ ููุงูุชู
ุงู
ุญููุง ุฃู ูุณู
ุน ู
ุง ูุฏู ุฏุงููุงู ูููููู ุนู ุฐูู. | and it would be really interesting to hear what Daniel has to say about that. |
ููู ูู ุงูู
ุฑุญูุฉ ุงูุฎุงู
ุณุฉุ ูุญู ูุนูู
ุชู
ุงู
ูุง ู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ูู
ูููุง ุฌุนู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุชุตู ุฅูู ุงูู
ูุงุฒู. | but at phase five, we absolutely know if we can get the schools reaching out to the homes. |
ูุงูู
ูุงุฒู ุชุตู. | and the homes reaching in. |
ูู
ูููุง ู
ุถุงุนูุฉ ุงูุชุฃุซูุฑ ุงูุฐู ูู
ูููุง ุตูุนู ูู ุงูุชุนููู
. | we can double the effect that we can make in education. |
ูุจุฏุฃูุง ุฅุธูุงุฑ ุฐูู ูู ู
ุฌุงูุงุช ู
ุญู ุงูุฃู
ูุฉ. | and we are beginning to show that in the areas of literacy. |
ูู ุจุนุถ ุงูู
ูุงุทู ูุจุนุถ ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุชู ูุนู
ู ุนูููุง. | in some of the areas and some of the schools that we are working. |
ูุฐูู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฌููุณ ุฃู ู
ุง ุชุณุฃู ุนูู ูู ููุท ูู ุบุงูุฉ ุงูุฃูู
ูุฉ. | so I think Joyce what you are asking is just absolutely critical. |
ูู ุชุชููุฌ ููุนู
ููุฉ ููุฐุง ูู ุงูู
ูุงู ุงูุฐู ูุณุฃู ููู ูุฐู ุงูุฃุณุฆูุฉ ุญููุง ุงูุขู. | it is the icing on the cake and it is the place that we really asking those questions now. |
ูุนู
ุณูุฏู. | yes sir. |
ู
ุฌุฑุฏ ุฃู ุฃุชุทุฑู ุฅูู ู
ุดููุฉ ู
ูู
ุฉ ุฌุฏูุง ููุงุฌููุง ูู ุงูุชุนููู
ูู ูู ู
ูุงู. | just to touch on a very important problem that we are facing in education all over. |
ูุฐูู ุนุงุฏุฉู ู
ุง ูููู ูุงุชููุง ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูุนูู ูุงุฑุซุฉ. | and that is usually a phone from the school means disaster. |
ูุนู
. | yes. |
ุงูุทูู ูุง ููุนู ุงูุฎุงุต ุจู ุฃู ุงูุฎุงุต ุจูุง. | the kid is not doing his or her. |
ูุนู
. | yes. |
ุงูุนู
ู ุจุดูู ุตุญูุญ. | job properly. |
ูุนู
. | yes. |
ุฅููุง ูุง ูุชุตู ุฃุจุฏูุง ุจุงููุงูุฏูู ููููู ุงูููู
ุงุจูู ุฃุฏู ุนู
ูุงู ูุงุฆููุง. | we never call the parents to say today your kid did a super job. |
ูุฐูู ูุฅู ุดูุฆูุง ุฑุฆูุณููุง ุชุชุทุฑููู ุฅููู ุญููุง ูู ุฐูู. | so a major thing that you really touch upon is that. |
ุฅููุง ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ูุงูุฅุฏุงุฑููู ูุง ููุชุญ ุฃุจูุงุจูุง ูุงููุฉ ูููุงูุฏูู ููู
ุดุงุฑูุฉ. | we teachers and administrators do not open the doors enough for parents to get involved. |
ุจู
ุฌุฑุฏ ุฃู ุชูุนููุง ุฐููุ ุณููุงุฌุฆูู
ุฑุฏ ุงููุนู. | once you do, you will be surprised by the reaction. |
ูุนู
. | yes. |
ุดูุฑูุง ูู. | thank you. |
ูุนู
. ุฃูุง ุฃุชูู ู
ุนู ุชู
ุงู
ูุง. | yes. I absolutely agree with you. |
. ุงุณู
ู ุณุงู
ุฏุงูู. | . my name is Samdani. |
ุดูุฑูุง ุฌุฒููุงู ูู ููุฏ ูุฏู
ุช ุนุฑุถูุง ุฑุงุฆุนูุง. | thank you very much you made a wonderful presentation. |
ุฃูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุนุฑู ุฃูู ู
ู ุญูุซ ุงูุชุนุงู
ู ู
ุน ุงูุทูุงุจ. | I would like to know that in terms of dealing with the students. |
ููู ุชุชุนุงู
ููู ุญููุง ู
ุน ุชุนููู
ุงูุฒู
ูู. | how do you really deal with the fellow education. |
ู
ู ุญูุซ ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ุงูุณููู ุงูู
ุฎู ููุทูุงุจ. | in terms of managing the disrupting behavior of the students. |
ูุฐุง ุณุคุงู ุขุฎุฑ ุฑุงุฆุน. | that is another great question. |
ุงูุฃุณุฆูุฉ ุงูุชู ุชุฃุชู ู
ููู
ุฃููุง ุงููุงุณ ููุง ุตุฏูู ุญููุง. | the questions that are coming from you people really resonate. |
ู
ุน ุงูุฑุญูุฉ ุงูุชู ูุงูุช ูุฏููุง. | with the journey that we have had. |
ูุฃุนุชูุฏ ุงูุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุงููุตูุฑุฉ ูููุณ ููุชูููู ู
ู ููู
ุฉ ุณุคุงูู. | and I think the short answer and it is not to devalue your question. |
ุงูุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุงููุตูุฑุฉ ูู ุฃูู ุนูุฏู
ุง ููุถู ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ุงูููุช ูู ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ุนูู
ุฃุตูู ุงูุชุนููู
. | the short answer is that when teachers spend time managing the pedagogy. |
ูููู ุนูููู
ูุนูููุง ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ุงูุณููู ุฃูู ูุซูุฑูุง. | they actually have to manage behavior a lot less. |
ูุฃูุชู
ุชูุธุฑูู ุฅูู ุดุฎุต ุนู
ู ูู
ุฏุฉ 10 ุณููุงุช ูู ุงูุณููู. | and you are looking at somebody that for 10 years worked in behavior. |
ูุฐูู ูุถูุช 10 ุณููุงุช ูู
ุนูู
ุฉ ุฎุงุตุฉ. | so I spent 10 years as a special educator. |
ุฃุณุงุนุฏ ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ูู ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ุณููู ุงูุทูุงุจ. | helping teachers to manage students behavior. |
ูุฃููู ุบุงูุจูุง ุฅู ุงูู
ุดููุฉ ููุณุช ุงูุทูุงุจ. | and often saying that the problem was not the students. |
ุฅููุง ูุงูุช ูู ุงูุณูุงู ุงูุฐู ูุชู
ุชุนููู
ูู
ููู. | it was in the context in which they are being taught. |
ูุฐูู ูุฅู ุงูุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุงููุตูุฑุฉ ุนูู ุณุคุงูู ูู ุนูุฏู
ุง ูุณุงุนุฏ ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู. | so the short answer to your question is when we help teachers. |
ุนูู
ุฃุตูู ุงูุชุนููู
ุจุดูู ุฃูุซุฑ ูุนุงููุฉ ูุฅู ุญูููุง ุชุฎุชูู ุงูู
ุดุงูู ุงูุณููููุฉ. | to maange the pedagogy much more effectively then the behavioral problems disappear. |
ุดูุฑูุง ูู. ุดูุฑูุง ุฌุฒููุงู ูู. | thank you. thank you very much. |
ุงูุขู ูุฏููุง ูุฑุตุฉ ูู ูุทุฑุญ ุณุคุงู ุนูู ุจูุจ. | now we have a chance for you to ask question to Pape. |
ูุฅุนุทุงุฆู ุชุนูููุงุชู ุจุดุฃู ู
ุง ุณู
ุนุชู ููุท. | and give him your comments on what you just heard. |
ูุง ุชูุฌุฏ ุฃุณุฆูุฉ. | no questions. |