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ููู ูู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ุฏูู ุฃูุฑูููุง ุฌููุจ ุงูุตุญุฑุงุก. | but in a lot of sub-saharan african countries. |
ุชููู ูุฐู ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ู
ุฑูุฒูุฉ ุจุดูู ูุง ููุตุฏู ูู ุชูุธูู ููุตู ุงูู
ูุธููู. | this is incredibly centralized management in hiring and firing of staff. |
ู
ุง ูุนูู ุฃูู ุฅุฐุง ููุช ูุงุธุฑูุง ูู ู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุฑูููุฉ. | which means if you are a head teacher in a rural school. |
ูุนุชู
ุฏ ูู ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ุนูู ุชูู ุงูุงุญุชุฑุงููุฉ. | all of the teachers are relying on that professionalism. |
ููุง ูู
ููู ุฃููู
ูุธูุฑูู ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ. | and you cannot they turn up at the school. |
ูุฐูู ูุฅู ูุฏู ุฃูุบูุฏุง ุญู ุชุบูุจ ู
ุนูู
ูู ูู ุงูุนุดุฑููุงุช ุงูู
ุฑุชูุนุฉ. | so Uganda has a teacher absenteeism right in the high 20s. |
ุงูุฐู ููุถุนู ุชู
ุงู
ูุง ุจูุถูุญ. | which is completely debilitating obviously. |
ููุฐูู ู
ู ุฎูุงู ุฌุนู ู
ูุธูู ุงูุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ูุนูููุง ูู ู
ุณุชููู ู
ุญูููุง ุฃูุซุฑ. | and so by actually having the management staff at more local level. |
ูุญู ูุงุฏุฑูู ุนูู ุงูุชุฃูุฏ ู
ู ุฃู ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ูู ุงููุตู ู
ู ุฃุฌู ุจุฏุงูุฉ ุชุณุงุนุฏ. | we are able to make sure that teachers are in class for start which helps. |
ูุชุณุงุกู ู
ููู ุชูุนููู ุฃูุชู
ุฃู ุฌูุฏุฉ ุฐูู | wondering who do you that the quality of that |
ูุฐูู ูุฅู ูุฏููุง ูุฑูู ุชูููู
ู
ุฑุงูุจุฉ ูุนู
ู ุนูู ู
ุฌู
ูุนุฉ ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ู
ุฎุชููุฉ ู
ู ุงูุชูููู
. | so we have got a monitoring evaluation team who work on range of different bits of assessment. |
ุฃูู
ุดูุก ุนุงูู ุงูู
ุณุชูู ูู ูุชุงุฆุฌ ุงูุงู
ุชุญุงูุงุช. | the most important high-level thing is the exam results. |
ุฃููุง ูุตุจุญ ุฃููุง ูุตุจุญ ูู ููุงูุฉ ุงูุชุนููู
ู
ู ุฃุฑุจุน ุณููุงุช. | that we are getting that we are getting at the end of four years education. |
ู
ู ุงููุงุถุญ ุฃู ุงูุงู
ุชุญุงู ูููู ุฃูุถูุง ุฐุง ู
ุนูู. | obviously the exam is also are only meaningful. |
ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฎุฐุชู
ุฃูุถูุง ูู ุงูุงุนุชุจุงุฑ ุงูุณูุงู ูุงูุฏุฑุฌุงุช ุงูุชู ูุฏุฎู ุจูุง ุงูุทูุงุจ. | if you also take into account the context and the grades the students are coming in with. |
ุญุณููุง ูุฏุฎู ุทูุงุจูุง ุจุงูุฏุฑุฌุงุช ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูุฉ. | so our students are coming in with grades from primary schools. |
ุงูุชู ุชููู ุฃุณูุฃ ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ. | which are worse than government schools. |
ูุชูุชูู ูู ุงูู
ุชูุณุท ุฃูุถู ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ ูู ูุฐู ุงูุขููุฉ. | and ending on average better than government schools at the moment. |
ูุฐูู ูู
ู ุงูุฃุณุงุณู ุฃู ููุงุณ ุงูููู
ุฉ ุงูู
ุถุงูุฉ ูููุฑู ุจูู ุงู
ุชุญุงู ุชุงุฑูู ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆู. | so it is mainly that value-added measure of the difference between primary leavers exam. |
ูุชุฑู ู
ุฏุฑุณุชูุง ูู ุงููุตูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณูุฉ ุงูุฃูุงุฏูู
ูุฉ. | and leaving our school in academic terms. |
ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑููู ูุฃููุง ูุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ุจุนุถ ุงูุฃู
ูุฑ ุงูุฃุณุงุณูุฉ ุฌุฏูุง. | and then you know because we are talking about some quite basic things. |
ููุงุณุงุช ููุท ู
ุซู ููุงุณุงุช ุฅุฏุฎุงู ุฃูุซุฑ ู
ู ุงููุชุงุฆุฌ. | just measures like more input measures than outcomes. |
ุฃุดูุงุก ู
ุซู ุงูุญุถูุฑุ ูุฃุดูุงุก ู
ุซู ุญุถูุฑ ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู. | things like attendance, things like teacher attendance. |
ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ุงูุชู ุชููู ูููุงุก ูุงุถุญูู ููุฌูุฏุฉ. | things which are clear proxies of quality. |
ูุญู ูุจุฐู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ููุงุณ ุฐูู ูุถูุงู ุนู ุฃุดูุงุก ุงูู
ุฏู ุงูุฃุทูู. | we are doing a lot of measurement of that as well as the longer term stuff. |
ููู ุชุณุชูุฏููู ุงูุทูุงุจ ูููู ุชุญูููู ู
ููู
ุ ููู | how you target at students and how you verify them? how you |
ููููุฉ ุงุณุชูุฏุงู ุงูุทูุงุจุ ูุฐูู ูุญู ูุง ูุณุชูุฏู ุงูุทูุงุจ ุญููุง. | how to target the students, so we do not really target the students. |
ูุญู ูุณุชูุฏู ุงูู
ูุงุทู. | we target the areas. |
ูุญู ูุนู
ู ูู ู
ูุงุทู ุญูุซ 250 ุทููุงู ุฃู ุฃูุซุฑ ูุชุฑููู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูุฉ. | we work in areas where 250 or more kids are leaving primary school. |
ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุนุฏู
ุฏุฎูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงูุซุงูููุฉ. | and then not going into secondary school. |
ูุณูุฒุฑุน ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ููุงู. | and we will plant the school there. |
ุซู
ุจุนุฏ ุฐููุ ุชููู ู
ุฌุฑุฏ ูุฑุจ ุฌุบุฑุงูู. | and then after that, it is just geographical proximity. |
ุชูู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุฌู
ูุนูุง ุณุฑูุนูุง ุฌุฏูุง. | the schools are all growing very fast. |
ูุญู ูุจูู ููุนูุง ู
ุง ูู
ูุงูุจุฉ ุงูุทูุจ. | we kind of build to keep up with demand. |
ููุฐูู ูู ุชูู ุงููุญุธุฉ ููุณ ูุฏููุง ููุน ุงูุงุฎุชูุงุฑ ุนูู ุงููุจูู. | and so at that moment we are not having the kind of select on admissions. |
ูุญุชู ุฅู ูุนููุงุ ููู ูุฎุชุงุฑ ุนูู ุฃุณุงุณ ุงููุฏุฑุฉ ุงูุฃูุงุฏูู
ูุฉ. | and even if we did, we would not select on the basis of academic ability. |
ูุฃู ุงูุฃุทูุงู ูู ุฃูุบูุฏุง ุงูุฐูู ููููู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูุฉ | because kids in Uganda finishing primary school |
ุงูุบุงูุจูุฉ ุงูุนุธู
ู ู
ู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงููุง ูุจููู ุจูุงุกู ุญุณููุง ุฃู
ูุง. | the vast majority of whether they are doing well or not. |
ูู ุฌูุฏุฉ ุงูุชุนููู
ุงูุฐู ูุชููููู ุจุฏูุงู ู
ู ุฅู
ูุงูุงุชูู
. | is the quality of the education they receive rather their potential. |
ููุฃููู ุฃู
ูููุงุ ูุง ุฃุฑูุฏ ุงูุงุฎุชูุงุฑ ุนูู ุงูุฅู
ูุงููุฉ ูู ุณู 11 ุจุฃู ุทุฑููุฉ. | and to be honest, I do not want to select on potential in age 11 in any way. |
ูุฃูู ูุนูููุง ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูู ุฃูุชู
ุชุฑูุฏูู ู
ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ุงูุฌู
ูุน. | because actually you know you want to be helping everyone. |
ููุญุตูู ุนูู ุฃูุถู ุชุนููู
ูุฏุฑ ุฅู
ูุงููู
ูู ุชูู ุงูู
ุฑุญูุฉ. | to get the best education they can at that stage. |
ูุฐูู ูุฅููุง ููุณุช ุงูููุงุกุฉุ ุฅูู ูุชุนูู ุจุงูู
ุณุงูุงุฉ. | so it is not efficiency, it is about equity. |
ูุนู
ุ ุฃูุง ุขุณู | yeah, I am sorry |
ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ูู
ููู ุณู
ุงุนู | I think you can hear me |
ูุนู
ุ ุฃูุถูุง ูุชุฑุฉ ุงูุญู
ู ูุฑูุน ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ. | yeah, also gestation period of putting the school up. |
ุฃุนูู ุนุงุฏุฉู ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฎุฐุชู
ุฌู
ุน ุงูุชุจุฑุนุงุช ู
ู ุงูููุทุฉ ุงูุชู ููุฑุฑูุง. | I mean normally if you take out fundraising from the point that we decide. |
ุฃููุง ุณูู ูุจูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูุงูู
ุงู ููุงู ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู | that we are going to build the school and the money there then |
ูุง ูุฒุงู ูุฌุฏ ูุทุนุฉ ุฃุฑุถ ูู ุงูุญุฑูุฉ ูุจูุงุก ู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูู ุนุงู
ูู ููุตู ุดูุฑ. | we still find a piece of land at the movement to build a school in two and a half month. |
ูุงูุฅุทูุงู ูู ูุจุฑุงูุฑ. | and launch in February. |
ุงูุฐู ูุนุทููู
ููุฑุฉ ููููุง ูุง ูุฑูุฏ ุฃู ููุนู ุฐูู ูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณุฉ ุงูู
ุชูุณุทุฉ. | that gives you an idea but we do not want to do that for the average school. |
ููููุง ุตุงุฏููุง ุฃู ูุงู ูุฏููุง ุชุญุฏู ู
ุน ุงูู
ูุทูุฉ ุงูู
ุญููุฉ. | but we happened to have had a challenge with the local district. |
ุญูุซ ุนู
ููุง ูู ูุทุนุฉ ุฃุฑุถ ููุชุฑุฉ ุทูููุฉ | where we worked in a piece of land for a long time |
ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุชูุทูุจ ู
ูุง ุฑุดูุฉุ ููููุง ุฅููุง ูู ูุฏูุน ุฑุดูุฉ. | then we are asked for a bribe , and said we will not pay a bribe. |
ุซู
ููุฏูุง ุงูุฃุฑุถ ููุฐูู ูุงู ุนูููุง ุฃู ูุฌุฏ ูุทุนุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ูู ุญุงูุงุช ุงูุทูุงุฑุฆ. | and then we lost the land and so we had to find another piece in emergency. |
ููู ุนุงุฏุฉู ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูู ุฎู
ุณุฉ ุฃู ุณุชุฉ ุฃุดูุฑ ูุงููุฉ. | but normally you know five or six months is enough. |
ูุจูุงุก ูู ุดูุก ู
ู ุงูุตูุฑ. | to build everything from scratch. |
ููู ุนุงู
ูุถูู ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ู
ุฑุงูู ุฅุถุงููุฉ ุฅูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ. | and each year we then add extra facilities to the school. |
ูุฐูู ูุญู ูุง ูุจูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุจุฃูู
ููุง ุนูู ุงูุฅุทูุงู ูู ุงูุณูุฉ ุงูุฃููู. | so we do not build absolutely the entire school in the first year. |
ุดูุฑูุง ูู. | thank you. |
ููุช ุฅููู
ุชุชูุงุถูู ุฑุณูู
ูุง ููุคูุงุก ุงูุทูุงุจ. | you said that you charge fees for these students. |
ูููุช ุฅู ุงูุฑุณูู
ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูุนูููุง. | and you said the government fees are you know actually. |
ููู ููุงู ุจุนุถ ุงูุชูุงููู ุงูุฎููุฉ. | but there are some hidden cost. |
ุฃุฑุฏุช ููุท ุฃู ุฃููู
ู
ุง ูู
ูู ุฃู ูููู ุงููุฑู ูู ุงูุฑุณูู
. | I just wanted to understand what would be the difference in the fees. |
ูููู ุชุฏูุฑูู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ููุทูุงุจ ุงูุฐูู ูุง ูู
ูู ุงูุฏูุน ุญููุงุ | and how do you manage for students who really cannot possibly pay? |
ูู ุชุจุนุฏูููู
ุนู ุงููุธุงู
ุ | do you keep them out of the system? |
ุฃู
ุฃู ููุงู ุทุฑููุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ุชุณุงุนุฏูููู
ุจูุงุ | or is there another way helping them out? |
ูุนู
ุญุณููุง ูู
ุง ููุช ุชูุงููููุง ุงูุฅุฌู
ุงููุฉ ููุญุถูุฑ ุฅูู ุฅุญุฏู ู
ุฏุงุฑุณูุง. | yeah so as I said our total charges to coming to one of our schools. |
ูุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงูููู
ูู 71ูช ู
ู ุงูุฑุณูู
ูู ุงูุญููู
ุฉ ุงูุชู ูููุชุฑุถ ุฃู ุชููู ู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ู
ุฌุงููุฉ. | as the day school is 71% of the charges in the government supposedly free school. |
ูุญูุงูู 44ูช ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ ุงูุฃุฎุฑู. | and about 44% of other private schools. |
ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุนูุฏู
ุง ุชูุงุฑูููุง. | and then when you compare them. |
ู
ูุงุจู ุบุงูุจูุฉ ู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงููุฎุจุฉ ูู ูู
ุจุงูุง. | against the majority of the elite schools in Kamapla. |
ุชููู ููุนูุง ู
ุง ุญูุงูู 20 ู
ู ุงูุชูููุฉ. | they are kind of about 20th of the cost. |
ูู
ุง ูุฏ ุชุฏูุนู ุงูุทุจูุฉ ุงููุณุทู. | of what the middle class would pay. |
ุงูุณุคุงู ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ูู ุญุชู ุฅู ูู
ูุณุงุนุฏ ุฃู ุดุฎุต. | the question you know for me even if we did not help anyone. |
ุงูุฐู ูุง ูู
ููู ุญุชู ุชุญู
ู ุชูู ุงูุฑุณูู
ุญููุง. | who really could not even afford those fees. |
ูุฅูู ูุง ูุฒุงู ุฌูุฏูุง ุจู
ุง ููู ุงูููุงูุฉุ ููููุง ูุชุจูู ุทุฑููุง ู
ุฎุชููุฉ. | it would still be good enough, but we do embrace different ways. |
ูุญู ูุจุชูุฑ ูุง ุณูู
ุง ุนูุฏู
ุง ูููู ูุฏู ุดุฎุต ู
ุง ุชุบูุฑ ูู ุงูุธุฑูู. | we create in particular when someone has a change of circumstances. |
ุนูุฏู
ุง ูููููู ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉุ ูุงููุง ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูุจุถุน ุณููุงุช. | when they are in the school, they had been in the school for a couple of years. |
ูุฃุญุฏ ุงููุงูุฏูู ูู
ูุช ุฃู ุดูุก ู
ุซู ุฐูู. | and a parent dies or something like that. |
ูุณู
ุญ ููู
ุฏุงุฆู
ูุง ุจู
ูุงุตูุฉ ุงูุชุนููู
ู
ุฌุงููุง ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ. | we would always let them continue education free at the school. |
ููู ุงูููุฑุฉ ูู ุฃููุง ูุฒูุฏ ุงููุตูู ุชุฏุฑูุฌููุง. | but the idea is that we are incrementally increasing access. |
ูุฅุนุทุงุฆูู
ููุฑุฉ ุนู ุงูุฑุณูู
ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณูุฉ ุงูููู
ุงูุชู ูุฃุฎุฐูุง ุจุงูุฌูููุงุช. | to give you an idea of the day school fees that we are taking in pounds. |
ุงูุชู ูู ุจูุบุฉ ุนู
ูุชู 11 ุฌููููุง ุฃู ุฑุจู
ุง 16 ุฏููุงุฑูุง ููู ุทุงูุจ ููู ูุตู ุฏุฑุงุณู. | which is in my currency language is 11 pounds or maybe 16 dollars per student per term. |
ููู ุฐูู ูุดู
ู ูุฌุจุฉ ุบุฏุงุก ูู ููู
. | but that includes lunch every day. |
ูุฐูู ุชุตู ูุนูููุง ุฅูู 48 ุฏููุงุฑูุง ูุนุงู
ูุงู
ู ููู
ุฉ ุงูุชุณุนุฉ ุฃุดูุฑ ูููุง. | so actually it times up 48 dollars for an entire year worth of all nine month. |
ููู
ุฉ ุงูุบุฏุงุก ูู ููู
. | worth of lunch every day. |
ุฅูู ุฌูุฏ ูุนูููุง. | it is actually okay. |
ูุฐูู ูุฅููู
ูุง ุชุฏูุนูู ุญููุง ููุชุนููู
ุนูู ุงูุฅุทูุงู. | so you are not really paying for tuition at all. |
ุฅููู
ุชุฏูุนูู ุชูููุฉ ุงูุบุฏุงุก ููุท. | you are just paying for the cost of lunch. |
ุฅููู
ุชููู
ูู ู
ุง ุฃุนููู ูุฐูู ูุญู ูุง ูุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ุนุงุฆู ุฑุฆูุณู. | you see what I mean so we are not talking about a major barrier. |
ููู
ุง ุฃููู 40ูช ู
ู ุฃุทูุงููุง ูุฃุชูู ู
ู ุฎู
ุณ ุงูุซุฑูุฉ ุงูุณููู ุฌุฏูุง ูู ุฃูุบูุฏุง ุงูุฑูููุฉ. | and as I say 40% of our kids come from the very bottom wealth quintile in rural Uganda. |
ูุฐูู ูุฅู ุงูุฑุณูู
ุฃูุฏ ุฎูุถูุง ุฅูู ุงูุตูุฑ ูุทู
ูุญูุง ุจุงูุชุฃููุฏ ูู. | so the fees I would like to lower them to zero and our ambition certainly is. |
ุฅููุง ููุณุช ุนุงุฆููุง ู
ุณุชุญููุงู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ููุบุงูุจูุฉ ุงูุนุธู
ู ู
ู ุงููุงุณ. | they are not an impossible barrier for the vast majority of people. |
ูู ูุฐู ุงูุขููุฉุ ููุงู ุญูุงูู 10 ุฃู 11ูช ู
ู ู
ุชูุณุท ุฏุฎู ุงูุฃุณุฑุฉ. | at the moment, there are about 10 or 11% of the average family income. |
ูู
ุฏุฉ ุณูุฉ ุงูุฑุณูู
ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณูุฉ ุงูููู
ูุงูุชู ู
ู ุงููุงุถุญ ุฃููุง ุชุญุฏู ูููู ููุณ ู
ุณุชุญููุงู. | for a year day school fees which is clearly a challenge but not impossible. |
ุฃุณุฆูุฉ ุฃุฎูุฑุฉ. | last questions. |
ุขุณู ูู ุงูุฎูู ุขุณู. | sorry at the back sorry. |
ุขุณู. | sorry. |
ูู ูู
ููู ุฅุนุทุงุก ู
ุซุงู ุนูู ุฃุญุฏ ุงูุฃุนู
ุงู ุงูุฒุฑุงุนูุฉ ุงูุชู ูุชู
ุชุดุบูููุง ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉุ | could you give an example of one of the agribusinesses that are run at the school? |