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From: [email protected] (Susan Clark) Subject: Who picks first? Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS Nntp-Posting-Host: epas.utoronto.ca Lines: 7 According to THE FAN here in T.O., Ottawa has won the Daigle e sweepstakes. They didn't mention why, but San Jose had more goals than the Sen-sens, so I have a hunch this is why Ottawa would pick first..... Susan

From: [email protected] (David Bryant) Subject: Re: GUI toolkit for the Sun Sparc. Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: leconte In article [email protected], winsorr@sun (Robin Winsor 233-4670) writes: >You are right to be going Motif rather than OpenLook. Sun has just recently >seen the light and dumped their commitment to OpenLook. In the announcement >they stated they have no future plans for DevGuide. This is incorrect. Sun has made no such claim regarding Devguide, and as manager of the Devguide engineering group I can state with authority that work on Devguide is continuing apace. We had quite a strong show of interest from the Devguide user community at last week's Solaris Developer's Conference. Devguide is being advocated not only as a valuable future builder tool, but as an important bit of transition technology that will help sustain current customers and facilitate their migration to the COSE Desktop Environment. If you have specific questions about Devguide availability, etc., you can contact Tali Aben, our Devguide Product Marketing person, at (415) 336-3536. David Bryant Devguide Manager SunSoft

From: [email protected] (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Plus minus stat Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 130 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (James David) writes: >>If Gilmour was taken completely by surprise, as Gainey was, then >>yeah, I would have to say that Doug wasn't playing >>"technically" smart hockey. In any case, to claim as Greg did, >>that Gainey *never* made a technical mistake is absolutely >>ludicrous. > >Later on, in your posting, you make reference to "putting words >into other people's mouths"...I would suggest that your last >paragraph can only be interpreted in one way...namely, that I, >along with Greg, claim that Gainey never made a technical >mistake. If you actually read what I've written, you will find >that I make no such claim...soooo, if logic serves me well, >you're contradicting yourself. Nonsense. I quite clearly state that it was Greg that made the claim that Gainey never made an error. And he made the claim. Read below. From rec.sport.hockey Thu Apr 15 21:22:49 1993 From: [email protected] (Greg Ballentine) Message-ID: <[email protected]> [nonsense deleted] Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you ever watch him play? He never made a technical error. [more nonsense deleted] >>Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of >>course, but to each his own... > >Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think "ignorance" is really a >function of "a lack of knowledge" and not "formulating an >opinion"...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all >means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better. To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious. Your hockey education is not my responsibility. >My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey. Why does >he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his style >of play. He was just another player. To laud him as anything more I find bothersome. I hated the Habs. I hated Lafleur until I realized that he was likely the most aesthetically pleasing player to ever skate in my lifetime. Why would anyone talk about Gainey? >>go around. Who would you rather have as your "checking" >>centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would >>take either Gretzky or Mario as my "checking" centres. Do you >>think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? >I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here. >Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ, >himself, in nets? Did he play hockey at a high level? Was he any good? If not, why would you bother to bring JC up? I am talking about hockey players here. If you can't follow the conversation don't follow up. As I said previously, it is not my responsibility to educate you. >Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with Guy >Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison. Sure. Two journeymen. Big deal. Neither one of them is worth discussing. >I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the >>>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. >first place? I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling >that you've setup a "You're wrong again" macro key on your >machine. That is an excellent idea and if I decide to waste any more time responding to any of your, or Greg's, postings then I will be sure to implement that very macro. >I would suggest that your comment: "And when the press runs out >of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype >the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob >Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, >Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick >Duff...and so on..." demonstrates a blanket disregard for these >individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle >down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods. Tarasov claimed that Gainey was a "hockey god." And Greg ate it up. And that is what this thread is all about. If you didn't know that then why are you responding? And as for "blanket disregard for these individuals", I can remember Leaf teams, purely populated by such "individuals", winning four Stanley Cups. Teams. No one ran around telling us that George Armstrong was the best hockey player in the world. >>>congenially, as always, >>> >>>jd >>> >>>-- >>>James David >>>[email protected] > >>You might consider developing your own style. After all, >>imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite sure >>that flattery is not your intention. > >C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good >laugh. Right. I had to get to the end of your posting before I realized you were a complete joke. In the future, if you are going to respond to my postings I would appreciate it if you could present a cogent argument supported by facts gleaned from a version of reality that most of the rest of us would recognize. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Galen Watts) Subject: Re: Beginner's RF ??? Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: storm.cfnr.colostate.edu Organization: College of Natural Resources, Colo. State Univ. Lines: 16 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (steven.r.klinkner) writes: >Can anybody recommend a good, application-oriented beginner's reference >to RF circuits? >Steve Klinkner AT&T Bell Labs [email protected] I have the ARRL Handbook for the Radio AMateur, and I'm getting the Solid STate Design for the Radio Amateur. The handbook is $25 and Solid State is $12 from ARRL, 225 Main, Newington, CT 06111 but you should be able to find them at electronics or amateur radio stores. ARRL will want $5 or so for shipping. Good Luck, Galen Watts, KF0YJ

From: [email protected] (Peter J. Scott) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech Lines: 19 Distribution: world Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: euclid.jpl.nasa.gov In article <[email protected]>, Leigh Palmer <[email protected]> writes: > In article <[email protected]> Henry Spencer, > [email protected] writes: > >The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film. > >When I was there, some years ago, they had the prototype on display and > >the film continuously repeating. > > Great! I'll visit the National Air and Space Museum at the end of the > month with my wife, who was also working at General Atomic at the time. > Once again netnews has enriched my life. Sorry to put a damper on your plans, but I was there three weeks ago and it wasn't there. Not that I would have known to look for it, of course, but I combed the space exhibits pretty thoroughly and something like that would have caught my attention instantly. -- This is news. This is your | Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech brain on news. Any questions? | ([email protected])

From: [email protected] (Hermann Schinagl) Subject: Need source of FEAL encrytion algorithm Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Hi ! I am interested in the source of FEAL encryption algorithm. Does someone of you know where I can get the source from, or where I can find documentation about FEAL. Thanks in advance Ciao Hermann Please email me !!!

From: [email protected] (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu [email protected] (Jon Livesey) writes: >In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the >"goal" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. That's right. Humans have gone somewhat beyond this though. Perhaps our goal is one of self-actualization. >But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long >term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some >other species, either terrestrial or alien. Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me. This was not part of the original premise. >Does that make it moral to do so? Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't adversely affect your own, I guess). keith

From: [email protected] (John Cobarruvias) Subject: Re: Newsweek reports Clinton approval ratings... Organization: NASA/JSC Distribution: usa Lines: 28 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Paul S Galvanek) writes: >When I heard the latest approval rating reported for Clinton, I >laughed so hard I forgot the exact numbers. Maybe one of the >Clintonettes can refresh my memory... > >Has his rating dropped to 48 or 49 percent? Ha HA HA HA HA! > >*snick* oh my either way, it's still the lowest rating any President >has ever mustered in his first 100 days, since these polls started being taken. Hum, I guess this has some significance as opposed to having an incredible drop during the last days in office. Unfortuantely having a loss in the polls during the last days of office usually means no re-election. Ask George. > >He was finished before he started! Good one, Roooster. Thats hard to top. > >The Rooster > >

From: Charles P. Cox, Jr. <[email protected]> Subject: PC stuff forsale Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b61506.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXMessage-ID: <[email protected]> X-XXDate: Sun, 18 Apr 93 21:35:42 GMT I have the following items for sale. Buyer pays the shipping costs. Hardware is new and unused unless marked otherwise. All software includes original disks and manuals. No reasonable offers refused. Send offers/questions to [email protected] Hardware --------- Hercules Graphics Card - mono graphics and printer ports Hercules Color Card - color graphics and printer ports Teac 1.2MB 5.25" floppy drive - doesn't work, sold as is for reapir or parts IBM ASYNC card - serial card for PC/XT/AT machines, comes with support software Kraft KC10 joystick - works with PC compatibles and Apple II series (not Mac) 360K 5.25" floppy disks - over 200 bulk-grade disks 2 floppy disk storage boxes - each holds 60 5.25" disks, one has a lock on it Software --------- Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.0 and 5.1 update - large manual and tutorial included Sideways 3.0 - rotates wide spreadsheets 90 degrees to print on 1 page Games ------ WolfPack - WWII submarine simultaion Space Station Oblivion - arcade-style game similar to Spectre Demon Stalkers - dungeon game, like Gauntlet Zork II, Moonmist, Ballyhoo - Infocom adventure/mystery games Jack Nicklaus' Unlimited Golf and Course Design - excellent golf game War In Middle Earth - similar to D&D games, based on Tolkien's "The Hobbit" Sargon 4 - excellent chess game, play against someone or against computer Silent Service II - submarine simulation --- Charles P. Cox, Jr. Computer Engineering Case Western Reserve University [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Reply-To: [email protected] (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 28 As quoted from <[email protected]> by [email protected]: > The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against > you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! Kind of sounds like Plessy v. Ferguson, huh? Of course as in that case, things change, huh? > Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions > are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will > be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... > No, if your little fantasy comes to pass, the country will have gone TOWARD the KKK. You're of course being a little disengenuous. Violent solutions are never passe FOR THE GOVERNMENT and CRIMINALS (who frequently) cannot be distinguished). "Avoid situations which encourage criminals"? You mean don't be a woman? Don't be Black? Don't be gay? I'm quite certain that having a surfeit of unarmed victims will discourage your beloved KKK from engaging in "violent solutions".... -- =================================================================== "You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas" - Holly Silva

From: [email protected] (Mark Wilson) Subject: UPDATE: Hard Drive, VGA, etc. Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 36 [ Article crossposted from misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone ] [ Author was Mark Wilson ] [ Posted on Fri, 16 Apr 1993 13:18:42 GMT ] UPDATE ("for sale" items): (All plus shipping) 1. CORE 72Mb Hard drive, model AT72, works fine, 5 1/4" full-height, reduced to $90 2. MFM controller for the above, would like to sell with above, have $15 asking price, but will sell with #1 above for $100 combined. 3. AT-style case $10 (in process of selling) 4. VGA card, 512K, now asking $25 5. 386 Max, version 6.0, now asking $25 Please email [email protected] or use phone #s below. - Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address [email protected]....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address [email protected]....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Daigle/Kariya Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 15 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (David D Lin) writes: >I hear Daigle will eb the first pick next year. What is the word on Kariya??? >Anybody ever seen him play on TV???? Is he also entering the draft??? People are seeming to be less concerned about Kariya's size as he leads teams to championships (World Junior and US College) and collects awards...everyone is watching with interest as to how he will perform on left wing with Eric Lindros and Mark Recchi at the world championships. 4 months of go...chances were not very good that he would go in the top five...now it has become probable...a great world championship could put him in the top 3 with Daigle and Pronger. Gerald

From: [email protected] (David Veal) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Lines: 67 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Paul E. Reimer) writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Marciano Pitargue) writes: > >[stuff deleted about causes of people in ER] > >>and your factoid about shooting victims in the ER. count how many come in >>due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw >>cars. >>marciano [email protected] > >There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some >regulation to try to combat this. When I got my drivers license, I HAD >to take a drivers safety class. Tennessee, at least, does not require any sort of safety class to get a driver's license. All that is required is one twenty question quiz and to drive a car around the block without crashing. >I HAVE to be licensed to drive. In all probability, no you don't. You are required to be licensed to drive on public roads. A license is not necessary on private property. >My car >MUST be registered. Most states do not require the registration of cars that are not used on public roads. Those that do (California I know of) do so for tax purposes more than anything else. >I MUST (at least where I live) have liability >insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an >accident with it). Many states do not currently require this, and most, again, only make this requirement for public roads. A car sitting unused is not required to have insurance. >Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration >of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for >gun owners. The two are not the same, as I pointed out above. There are significant difference between making rules for *use on public property* and *making rules for ownership*. The other half of the objection is trust. Similar things to this have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country, and have been abused in far too many cases. Safety classes which are never sheduled, never funded, or only one or two is held a year for a limited number of participants. Registration lists in New York, Chicago, and California have been used for confiscation. *Many* gun owners would, in theory, support these planes. (Although the numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem, that intentional misuse is). They've simply seen it abused and are leery of the next person who comes down the pike with a "reasonable" suggestion they've already seen abused. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group [email protected] - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore." - "Weird Al"

From: [email protected] (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Subject: Re: bullet proof luxury sedans Distribution: usa Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 51 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Charles H. Hsu) writes: >I am interested to find out if there is any domestic car manufacturer >(especially GM and FORD) which produces "bullet-proof" luxury sedans. I understand Caddy is working on one, double battery, super high perf engine, more gauges, a bit 'stretched', etc, lots of communication equipment, the works. Color selection is limited though. The problem is that the guy at 1600 Penn. Avenue is about to get it (Pres. Clinton) (Last time it was a Lincoln, this time a Caddy). >I am just wondering if this so-called "bullet-proof" (perhaps reinforced >windows, special materials for the body/engine/etc.) luxury car - Lincoln >and Cadillac models - is readily available to the public. Not to my knowledge; I know GM does conversion work for things like hot climates (i.e. the Chevy Caprices sold to the Middle East) but things like that are always done by third parties, NOT the manufacturer. Maybe you will need to buy a specific package that has beefed-up everything, perhaps the police cruiser package on the Caprice/Crown Vic and start from there. >Do we have >to go through any special dealership to obtain these cars? I would really >like to hear from anyone who has experience with the "bullet-proof" cars. "And I wuz drivin' along in my armored Seville STS and this punk pulls out of nowhere with an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) but the bulletproof windshield stopped him" :-) Don't think many people on the net have a need for bulletproof cars. Check with local armored service companies/security/bodyguard places. They'd know best. I think your average luxury car dealer will have a coronary if you told them "I'll take the blue Caprice, with options FZ01 (Fuzzy Dice), PR11 (power everything), and AR007 (Armor). >Any information regarding the dealers and after-market shops that have >"bullet-proof" Lincoln's and Cadillac's is greatly appreciated. You may >email me at [email protected] or post the message in this newsgroup if >you believe other netters might be interested as well. BTW, same information >on Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti luxury sedans is needed >as well if you have it. I believe an article on the conversion process appeared in the car press within the last few months. Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos [email protected] Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]

From: [email protected] (Wayne Lyle) Subject: Driver for DataFrame XP60+B Organization: St. Joseph's University Lines: 14 I am in need of the Driver for the Bernoulli Cartridge on a DataFrame XP60+B. The hard disk on the system got fried and I haven't been able to locate the original disks. If anyone has it or know where I can get this please let me know via e-mail. Thanks in advance. Wayne Lyle -- Wayne J. Lyle Dilworth, Paxson, Kalish & Kauffman Philadelphia, PA 19109

From: [email protected] (Juergen Keil) Subject: Re: Sun CD-ROM on PCs??? Organization: TooLs GmbH, Bonn, Germany Lines: 15 <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: leo.tools.de In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:02:31 GMT In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Peter D. Bartok) writes: >> Great! But don't let your effort and talent be un-noticed. >> Put the program on the net, upload it to some anonymous ftp >> sites. So people (at least me) can have it and appreciate it. > > Please put it into ftp.novell.de (193.97.1.1) pub/incoming/pc OK, the small programme that can be used to switch a SunCD drive into 2048 bytes/block mode for use with MSDOS/Adaptec/APSI it now available by 'ftp' from ftp.novell.de (193.97.1.1) pub/pc/adaptec/cdblksize.zip -- Juergen Keil [email protected] ...!{uunet,mcsun}!unido!tools!jk

From: [email protected] (Carl Fink) Subject: Re: Panasonic KX-P1091i Driver? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 13 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mike) writes: >Does anyone out there know if there are print drivers for Windows for the >Panasonic KX-P1091i 9-pin dot matrix printer? I've been told that Panasonic has uploaded some to Compu$erve, but I don't have a CIS account. I just use the Epson FX-80 driver myself, and it comes out very pretty (if very slowly) on my 1080i. -- Carl Fink [email protected], C.FINK4(GEnie), or [email protected] "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence" -- John Adams

From: [email protected] (Carsten Grammes) Subject: List of IDE Harddisk specs (21/04/93) Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes,Rechenzentrum Lines: 761 NNTP-Posting-Host: sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de Configuration of IDE Harddisks ============================== last update: 14.4.1993 collected by Carsten Grammes ([email protected]) and published regularly on comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is explicitly NO WARRANTY that the given settings are correct or harmless. (I only collect, I do not check for myself!!!). There is always the possibility that the settings may destroy your hardware! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Since I hope however that only well-minded people undergo the effort of posting their settings the chance of applicability exists. If you should agree or disagree with some setting, let me know immediately in order to update the list. If you possess a HD not mentioned here of which you know BIOS and/or jumper settings, please mail them to me for the next update of the list! Only IDE (AT-Bus) Harddisks will be accounted for. If not specified the Landing Zone should be set equal to the number of cylinders. If not specified the 'Write Precompensation' should be set 65535. (There are BIOSes that don't even ask for it). Another statement (maybe right): IDE harddisk don't have Precomp and LZone. The precomp is a built-in parameter and lzone isn't used because most if not every IDE disk has autopark. The jumpers' names are given as printed on the HD's board, often only a jumper number (JP12 means the jumper '12'). A zero means that the jumper is left open, a one means that the jumper is closed. *************************** C O N N E R *************************** Conner Peripherals Drive Geometry IDE/AT Conner drives are low level formatted at the factory. It is only necessary to run SETUP, FDISK, and DOS FORMAT. Model Heads Cylinders Sectors PComp L-Zone Type Table LED CP2034 2 823 38 0 823 *UT 3 N/A CP2064 4 823 38 0 823 *UT 3 N/A CP2084 8 548 38 0 548 *UT 3 N/A CP3184 6 832 33 0 832 *UT 1 A CP3104 8 776 33 0 776 *UT 1 A CP3111 8 833 33 0 833 *UT 1 A(?) CP3204 16 683 38 0 683 *UT 2 B CP30064 4 762 39 0 762 *UT 2 B CP30084 8 526 39 0 526 *UT 2 B CP30104 8 762 39 0 762 *UT 2 B CP30084E 4 903 46 0 903 *UT 3 C CP30174E 8 903 46 0 903 *UT 3 C CP30204 16 683 38 0 683 *UT 3 C CP3304 16 659 63 0 659 *UT 3 D CP3364 16 702 63 0 702 *UT 3 D CP3504 16 987 63 0 987 *UT 3 D CP3554 16 1054 63 0 1054 *UT 3 B Table 1 Table 2 Jumper Settings Jumper Settings Single Drive = Jumper ACT and C/D Single Drive = Jumper C/D Master Drive = Jumper ACT, C/D and DSP Master Drive = Jumper C/D & DSP Slave Drive = No jumpers installed Slave Drive = No jumpers installed Table 3 All Conner 20 Mbyte drives use Jumper Settings Drive type 2. All Conner 40 Mbyte drives use Drive type 17. Single & Master Drive = Jumper C/D Slave Drive = No jumpers installed *UT = Universal translate. Select a drive type that is close to but does not exceed the megabyte capacity of the drive. The drive will translate to the megabyte capacity that you have selected. LED A: B: C: D: J-4 J-5 J-5 J-3 Pin 1 = + Pin 3 = + Pin 3 = - Pin 3 = + Pin 2 = - Pin 4 = - Pin 4 = - Pin 4 = - > When I installed a Conner CP3204F (203 MB) as master and a WD Caviar 2200 > (203 MB) as slave, both with and without the "CP" jumper, the Caviar had > seemingly normal behaviour. However, when doing writes to the Caviar, once > in a while it would overwrite directories etc. Using FASTBACK was almost > impossible. > > The workaround is to install the Caviar as the master, and the Conner > as the slave. *************************** F U J I T S U *************************** DETAILS OF FUJITSU DRIVES M261xT (Standard) M2614ET M2613ET M2612ET M2611T Heads (physical) 8 6 4 2 Cyl (physical) 1334 1334 1334 1334 Sec/trk 33 33 33 33 Speed (rpm) 3490 3490 3490 3490 Capacity 180MB 135MB 90MB 45MB +-----------------------------------------------+ | | +--+ | PSU | | CNH-2 | +--+ 1 | 1 | | . LED | | | CNH-1 9 CNH-3 Connector | | | 1 6..1 o o | 40-way | | . | | | IDE | | . | | | . | | | 12 | +--+ | +-----------------------------------------------+ Pin Function Position * 1- 2 Active mode 2- 3 Slave present mode 4- 5 Pin 27=IOCHRDY CNH-1 JUMPERS * 5- 6 Pin 27=RESERVED 7- 8 2 drive system * 8- 9 1 drive system 10-11 Pin 29=IRQ14 : Pin 31=RESERVED * 11-12 Pin 31=IRQ14 : Pin 29=RESERVED Pin Function Position 1- 2 SLAVE drive mode CNH-2 JUMPERS * 4- 5 MASTER drive mode 7- 8 ECC 4 bytes * 8- 9 ECC 7 bytes Pin Function Position 1- 2 Write protect enabled CNH-3 JUMPERS * 2- 3 Write protect disabled 4- 5 -6 Reserved Key: * (I guess!) marks factory default setting for jumper BIOS SETTINGS BIOS setting for the M2614ET in my system is 667 cylinders, 33 sectors and 16 heads. > I was trying to set my IDE drive in the subject above to a slave drive for > A Conner 170MB drive and contacting the support company gave me this answer (which works). The factory default on SW2 is On Off Off Off Off Off (1-6). This sets the drive to be a single drive. Setting SW2 to Off On On Off Off Off makes it a slave drive. SW1 has been set to On Off Off On (1-4) all along. MODEL CYLINDERS HEADS SECTORS CAPACITY (Million bytes) M2622T 1013 10 63 326.75 M2623T 1002 13 63 420.16 M2624T 995 16 63 513.51 There are 6 switches on the switch block on these drives. Only 4 of them have a use that I am aware of (from my M2624T manual): Master/Slave Master (*) SW1-5 OFF Slave SW1-5 ON ECC bytes 4 bytes (*) SW1-4 OFF 7 bytes SW1-4 ON Write Protect Disabled (*) SW1-3 OFF Enabled SW1-3 ON IO Channel Ready Disabled (*) SW1-1 OFF Enabled SW1-1 ON I have no idea about the function of SW1-2 and SW1-6. The values listed with a (*) are the factory default settings. *************************** K A L O K *************************** KALOK KL3100 105 MB BIOS: cyl 979 heads 6 sectors 35 KALOK KL3120 120 MB BIOS: Cyl 981 heads 6 sectors 40 The following jumper settings have been reported for KL3100 but are probably also valid for other Kalok drives. Single HD: o o o o o o o o o-o <-- same row as pin 1 of the IDE connector. Master (disk 1): o o o o o | o o o o o Slave: o o o o o | o o o o o These 5 pairs of pins are at the righthand side of the disk. *************************** M A X T O R *************************** Model Cyls Heads Sectors Precomp Landing Zone ---------- ----- ----- ------- ------- ------------ LXT-200A 816 15 32 0 816 LXT-213A 683 16 38 0 683 LXT-340A 654 16 63 0 654 LXT437A 842 16 63 0 842 LXT535A 1036 16 63 0 1024 Jumpers are as follows: The bottom of the drive looks like this (well, sort of): | o o 1-2 | | o o 3-4 | | o o 5-6 | | o o 7-8 | | o o 9-10 | | | +[POWER] [IDE CONNECTOR]-----+ Single drive Dual Drive System Pin numbers Jumper System Master Slave ----------- ------ ------------ ------ ----- 1-2 Slave Drive remove remove install 3-4 Activity LED optional optional optional 5-6 Slave Present remove remove optional 7-8 Master Drive remove install remove 9-10 Sync Spindle remove (n/a) optional* remove * only one drive (the master) in an array should have this jumper installed. Maxtor 7060A 16 467 17 62,0 J14 closed, J13 closed Maxtor 7060A 7 1024 17 59,5 J14 open, J13 open Maxtor 7060A 4 762 39 58,0 J14 closed, J13 open Maxtor 7060A 8 925 17 57,9 J14 open, J13 closed Maxtor 7120A 16 936 17 124,3 J14 closed, J13 closed Maxtor 7120A 14 1024 17 119,0 j14 open, J13 open Maxtor 7120A 8 762 39 116,0 J14 closed, J13 open Maxtor 7120A 15 900 17 112,0 J14 open, J13 closed Maxtor 7120A 8 824 33 106,2 J14 Jumpers for the above 2 drives: J11 I/O-channel ready ( open: disabled; close: enabled ) J13 see above J14 see above J15 operation-status ( open: normal; close: factory ) J J J J J 2 1 1 1 1 0 9 8 7 6 Power data-cable J16: Idle mode latch ( open: disabled; close: enabled ) J17: drive model ( open: 7060A; close 7120A ) J18: ECC Bytes ( open: 7 bytes; close: 4 bytes ) Master/Slave: drive is master and alone : J20 closed, J19 closed drive is master of two drives: J20 closed, J19 open drive is slave of two drives : J20 open , J19 closed Maxtor 7213A Default (power-up) AT BIOS Translation Parameters (others possible) Cyl Hds SpT MBytes 683 16 38 212 There are two sets of jumpers. A set of 5 and a set of 4. With the power and IDE connector toward you, the set of 5 is numbered (left to right) J16 - J20 , and the set of 4 is numbered (bottom to top) J22-J25. The only jumper of normal interest is J20. Jumper it for only drive in a single drive system, or master drive in a dual drive system. Remove the jumper J20 for slave drive in a dual drive system. J19 is a dummy and may be used to store the spare shunt if the drive is configured for a slave mode. Jumpers J17, J18, J24, J25 are factory reserved. Abnormal operation may occur if jumpered. Jumper 22 is sync spindle enabled/disabled (open=disabled) Jumper 23 is sync slave/master (open=slave) Jumper 16 is I/O Channel Ready (open=disabled) Maxtor 7245A (245Mb IDE; self-parking; Universal Translate): Drive type : User defineable Cyl Hds WPC LZ S/T 967 16 0 0 31 (WPC and LZ optional) Master(2): J20 closed Slave(2): J20 open (use J19 for shunt storage) Single: J20 closed ********************** M I C R O P O L I S **************************** Drive 2105A 2112A ---------------------------------------- Unformatted MB 647 1220 Formatted MB 560 1050 Platters 5 8 Heads 8 15 Cylinders 1760 1760 ---------------------------------------- Performance (both): Track to track (read) 1.5 msec Track to track (write) 2.5 msec Average 10 msec Max 25 msec Avg Rotational Latency 5.56 msec Rotational speed 5400 rpm (+/- 5%) Data Transfer Rate upto 5Mbytes/sec Internal data rate 24-40 Mbits/sec BIOS Settings: 2105A 1084 cyl 16 heads 63 sectors 2112A* master 1024 cyl 16 heads 63 sectors slave 1010 cyl 16 heads 63 sectors * the 2112A emulates both master and slave Jumpers (labelled J6 on the drive) ---- |oo| W1\ only these 2 are used |oo| W2/ |oo| |oo| |oo| ---- W2 W1 -- -- in in 2112A only - drive emulates both master + slave in out Drive is master, slave is present out in Drive is slave out out Drive is master, no slave present (ie single drive) ********************** M I C R O S C I E N C E **************************** MicroScience Model: 7100-00 Heads: 7 Cylinders: 855 S/T: 35 (?) Size: 105M Model # 8040-00. Size 40M 5hd/17sec/977cyl ********************** M I N I S C R I B E **************************** Miniscribe MODEL AT CAP CYC H RWC WPC ENC RATE ACCESS SPT COMMENTS 8225AT 3.5" 21 745 2 - - 8 28 MS 28 8051AT 3.5" 42 745 4 - - 8 28 MS 28 8450AT 3.5" 42 745 4 - - 8 40 MS 28 Master(2): 5-6 Slave(2): 1-2 Single: 1-3 (shunt storage) *************************** N E C ********************************* NEC D3735, 40 MB BIOS: Cyl 537 Head 4 sect 41 NEC D3755, 105 MB BIOS: Cyl 625 Head 8 sect 41 NEC D3741, 44 MB BIOS: Cyl 423 Head 8 sect 26 WPcom 0 LZone 424 Jumper JP12 JP13 (for all above NEC drives) Single 0 0 Master 1 0 Slave 1 1 There have been reported difficulties in using WD Caviar as Master and NEC drives as slave - the other way it works. *************************** Q U A N T U M ************************* Logical Specs for Quantum AT Drives COMPLIMENTS OF COMPUTER BROKERS OF CANADA Model Cap Avg Acc Cylinders Heads Sectors/Track (MB) (ms) 40AT 42 19 965 5 17 80AT 84 19 965 10 17 120AT 120 15 814 9 32 170AT 168 15 968 10 34 210AT 209 15 873 13 36 425AT 426 14 1021 16 51 LPS 52AT 52 17 751 8 17 LPS 80AT 83 17 611 16 17 LPS 105AT 105 17 755 16 17 LPS 120AT 122 16 901 5 53 LPS 240AT 245 16 723 13 51 ================================================= Legend: 1=Jumper Installed 0=No Jumper ================================================= 40 & 80 AT Jumpers DS SS Meaning 1 0 Single drive configuration 1 1 Master of dual drive 0 0 Slave of dual drive 0 1 Self-Seek Test ======================================================= 120, 170, 210 & 425 AT Jumpers DS SP SS Meaning 0 0 0 Slave when the Master is Quantum PRODRIVE other than 40/80A 0 0 1 Slave in PRODRIVE 40/80A mode 0 1 0 Slave when Master is non Quantum Drive 0 1 1 Not Used 1 0 1 Master drive PDIAG mode checking DASP for slave 1 1 0 Master in PDIAG mode using SP to check if slave present 1 1 1 Master in 40/80A mode using SP to check if slave present 1 0 0 Single drive ======================================================= LPS 52, 80, 105, 120 & 240 AT Jumpers DS SP DM* Meaning 0 0 0 Slave in standard PDIAG mode for compatibility with drives that use PDIAG-line to handle Master/Slave communications 0 0 1 Slave in PRODRIVE 40/80A mode compat. without using PDIAG line 0 1 0 Self Test 0 1 1 Self Test 1 0 0 Master in PDIAG mode using DASP to check for Slave 1 0 1 Master in 40/80A Mode using DASP to check for Slave 1 1 0 Master in PDIAG mode using SP to check for Slave without checking DASP 1 1 1 Master in 40/80A mode using SP to check for Slave without checking DASP ====================================================================== * While my Spec form marked the jumper name DM, it is labeled as CS on my LPS 240AT drive. The QUANTUM ELS series: Model Cap Avg Acc Cylinders Heads Sectors/Track (MB) (ms) ELS42AT 42 - 968 5 17 ELS85AT 85 - 977 10 17 ELS127AT 127 - 919 16 17 ELS170AT 170 - 1011 15 22 Write precomp = 0 for all Quantum drives ( probably no significance) Landing Zone = Cylinders Straps: If an ELS drive is master only, use DS master with slave, DS or, DS and SP in some cases slave, no strap *************************** R O D I M E ********************************* Information for RO 3008A and RO 3009A series hard disk drives: Drive Types Model Cyls Hds Sectors/Trk No. blocks Formatted Cap. ------- ---- --- ----------- ---------- -------------- RO3058A 868 3 34 88,536 45.33 MByets RO3088A 868 5 34 147,560 75.55 MByets RO3095A 923 5 34 156,910 80.33 MByets RO3128A 868 7 34 206,584 105.77 MByets RO3135A 923 7 34 219,674 112.47 MByets RO3059A 217 15 28 91,158 46.67 MByets RO3089A 325 15 28 136,737 70.00 MByets RO3129A 492 15 28 206,645 105.80 MByets RO3139A 523 15 28 219,735 112.50 MByets RO3209A 759 15 28 319,053 163.35 MByets RO3259A 976 15 28 410,211 210.02 MByets Link Options In order to install the Rodime Ro 3000A series drives the dumpers for the single/dual drive and LED operation on the drive need to be set as described in the relevant product specification. I a single drive environment the drive is described as a Master. In a dual drive environment the drives are described as a Master and a Slave. This is due to the protocal the takes place between the two drives when performing diagnostics. There are four links, LK1, LK2, LK4 and LK5, adjacent to the 40 way interface connector. They have the following functions and are described in order as viewed from the end of the drive, with the first jumper described nearest the 40 way interface connector. LK2: LED When fitted, this jumper connects the LED drive to pin 39 of the interface. This allows a LED to be connected to the interface. An external current limiting resistor needs to be fitted in series with the LED when this option is selected. The value of the resistor will be dependant on the LED type chosen but will be in the range of 130 Ohms ot 220 Ohms. LK1: Dual Drives This jumper must be fitted when two drives are attached to a single bus. It fallows communication across the 40 way interface connector, indicating, to the Master drive, the presence of a Slave. LK4: Master When fitted this signifies that the drive jumpered is a Master. If there are two drives connected on a single bus then only one may be jumpered in this way. LK5: IOChRdy When fitted this connects the IOChRdy signal to the drive, it is fitted when the drive is used in host systems that have a higher data transfer rate than the drive i.e. greater than 4 MBytes per second when using 1:1 interleave. This jumper is not normally fitted as most hosts transfer at a lower rate than 4 MBytes per second. There are four possible Master/Slave configurations in which a drive(s) may be jumpered: Master, single drive with LED on interface LK2 & LK4 fitted. Master, single drive without LED on interface LK4 only fitted. Master, dual drive without LED on interface LK4 & LK1 fitted. Slave, dual drive without LED on interface No jumpers fitted. Master, dual drive with LED on interface LK4, LK1 & LK2 fitted. Slave, dual drive with LED on interface LK2 only fitted. The Master drive will delay power-up for approximately two seconds to reduce power surges in applications where dual drives are used. The other connections for a LED will be found close to the 28 way connector at the other end of the drive. This LED driver is not affected by the link options. An internal current limiting resistor is on the drive for this LED driver. Refer to the product specification for further details. *************************** S E A G A T E ************************* There is a list of most Seagate HD (including MFM, SCSI, ESDIand IDE) on every Simtel mirror under /msdos/dskutl/1seagate.zip It contains info about the following drives: st1144a st138a st274a st3283a st1057a st1156a st1400a st280a st351ax st1090a st1162a st1401a st3051a st9051a st1102a st1186a st1480a st3096a st9077a st1111a st1201a st157a st3120a st9096a st1126a st1239a st2274a st3144a st9144a st1133a st125a st2383a st325ax ********************* T E A C ************** Model: SD-3105 Cyls. Heads Sect/T PreCmp LZone Capacity ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ --------- Physical 1282 4 40 - - 105021440 BIOS (AMI) 641 8 40 0 0 105021440 (100.2M) (Award) 926 13 17 0 0 104778752 (99.9M) (Phoenix) 776 8 33 0 0 104890368 (100.0M) Connectors and Jumpers: +----+ 1 Jumper Function |....| +---+ +-------/ /---+ 2 0 0 ON: -ACT selected (ext.LED) | | |...| |::::::/ /::::| :::: OFF: -SLV PRESENT selected +----+ +---+ +-----/ /-----+ 3 1 1 ON: Two HDD's J2 J7 40 J1 ---- OFF: Single HDD Power (Power) Signal Jumpers 2 ON: Master (/Single) OFF: Slave (with 2 units used) 3 ON: -I/O CH RDY not output OFF: -I/O CH RDY is output Master Slave Settings: Jumper no.: 1 2 ----------------------- Single....: 0 1 1, ON = jumpered Master....: 1 1 0, OFF = not jumpered Slave.....: 1 0 ********************* W E S T E R N D I G I T A L ************** Caviar series: Name Size (Mb) Cylinders Heads Sectors ---------------------------------------------------- WDAC140 40.7 980 5 17 WDAC280 81.3 980 10 17 WDAC2120 119.0 1024 14 17 WDAC2170 162.7 1010 6 55 WDAC2200 202.8 989 12 35 WDAC2340 325.4 1010 12 55 Please note that these are the *recommended* CMOS parameters. All the disks support so-called dynamic translation, and should thus be able to work with any parameters having fewer sectors than the total number of sectors on the disk. Now, according to the manual, the jumper settings are as follows: Jumper CP MA SL ------------------------------------------------- Single 0 0 0 Master 0 1 0 Slave 0 0 1 Slave with Conner CP342 or CP3022 1 0 1 Maybe there are 2 kinds of Caviar's floating around: If your jumpers read MA SL and SI then use: Jumper SI MA SL Single 1 0 0 Master 0 1 0 Slave 0 0 1 There have been reported difficulties in using WD Caviar as Master and NEC drives as slave - the other way it works. > When I installed a Conner CP3204F (203 MB) as master and a WD Caviar 2200 > (203 MB) as slave, both with and without the "CP" jumper, the Caviar had > seemingly normal behaviour. However, when doing writes to the Caviar, once > in a while it would overwrite directories etc. Using FASTBACK was almost > impossible. > > The workaround is to install the Caviar as the master, and the Conner > as the slave. WD93044-A (40 MB) BIOS-Settings 977 cyln, 5 heads, 17 sect, LZone: 977 ( wenn sie sie braucht ) +-------+ +---+---+---+ 1: drive is master | cable | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2: drive is slave +-------+ +---+---+---+ 3: second drive is a conner-drive No jumper set: this is the only drive. ******************** Useful telephone numbers... ******************** Miniscribe: 303-651-6000 Maxtor: Info/tech support: 800-262-9867 FAX-back: 303-678-2618 BBS: 303-678-2222 They list their 800 number as 1(800)2-MAXTOR. Quantum: 408-894-4000 408-944-0410 (Support) 408-894-3218 (FAX) 408-894-3214 (BBS) Seagate: Info/tech support: 408-438-8222 FAX-back: 408-438-2620 BBS: 408-438-8771 ******************* last but not least ***************** If I could help you with my little collection and if you live in a part of the world far away from me, how about a postcard for my pinboard? I will surely answer! Carsten Grammes Experimental Physics B38 2OG Universitaet Saarbruecken W-6600 Saarbruecken Germany

From: [email protected] (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: Is LA burning yet? Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 18 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > I hear the jury reached a verdict. Where did you hear this? I seem to have missed it. > Is LA burning yet? No. Will L.A. burn? No. (Regardless of the verdict.) > I'm not near a radio. Count your blessings. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | [email protected] believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? |

From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Wirtz is a weenie Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 18 <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from Dean: >>In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 >>fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of >>subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck. > >This is incorrect. This year the Pens had 61 games on "free" TV and 6 >games on PPV. Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on >a subscription basis. > >You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no >more "radio-only" games. Yes, you're right. After going home and reading the paper, I got the full details. That's what I get for making a post based on WDUQ's news. I should know by now they get just about every sports related item wrong. Ralph

From: David A. Fuess Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 slower using DOS 6 ???? Organization: UC LLNL Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: talon.llnl.gov In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Frank Calloway) writes: >Not on my system. > >Frank Calloway Nor mine, either of them! +---------------------------------+----------------------+ | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | David A. Fuess | | _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | Dir, Center for EECS | | _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Phone: (510)423-2436 | | _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ | Fax: (510)422-9343 | +-------- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory --------+

From: [email protected] (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Using California's Antidiscrimination: The Sort Of Case I Predicted Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 30 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Xavier Gallagher) writes: > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Clayton Cramer) writes: > >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Richard Steven Walz) writes: # ## Face it, Clayton, he was not found guilty, and so what if gays sometimes # ## make it consensually with 16 year old boys. There ARE 16 year old gays, you # ## know. And as I recall, the case of the state rested on the testimony of one # ## "victim" who declined to testify, even under threat. I have had teens since # ## I was 40, and so have a lot of people. Face it Clayton, you're just a jerk! # ## -RSW # ## -- # ## * Richard STEVEn Walz [email protected] (408) 429-1200 * # ## * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * # ## * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * # # # #I am always amazed to see people admit to breaking the law -- and # #putting their address in the signature. Please tell us more about # #this. Were they 13? 14? Would you like to make a statement for # #the district attorney? # # I had sex with a 13 year old boy, it was great, we did *everything*, # well, a hell of a lot. It was fun anyway. Oh, and before you turn # purple with rage I was 12 at the time. # #-- # #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! The Walz monster above, however, was past 40 when he molested these kids, as he says above. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.

From: [email protected] (Phil Trodwell) Subject: VB Decompiler? Lines: 9 Organization: University of Waterloo Subject says it all. Do any exist? Are they shareware? Where? Phil Trodwell *** This space ***| "I'd be happy to ram a goddam 440-volt cattle *** for rent. ***| prod into that tub with you right now, but not *** (cheap) ***| this radio!" -Hunter S. Thompson

From: [email protected] (Tim Ciceran) Subject: Re: MPEG Location Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 21 Alan Jackson ([email protected]) wrote: : Can anyone tell me where to find a MPEG viewer (either DOS or : Windows). : Thanks in advance. : -- : Alan M. Jackson Mail : [email protected] : Liverpool Football Club - Simply The Best : "You'll Never Walk Alone" You can find a Windows MPEG viewer at wuarchive.wustl.edu in the mirrors/msdos/windows3 directory. -- TMC ([email protected])

From: [email protected] (Douglas Meier) Subject: Re: Hate Crimes Laws Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.052552.18045 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Douglas Meier) writes: >> >>I think what you meant to say here was, "With the current mutation of the US >>Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple >>times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade." A single >>act should never merit more than on charge. > >So if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with >more than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property >damage? After all, the bomb was a single act. > >ted frank | "However Teel should have mentioned that though Again, Mr. Frank has come to the rescue with his cool headed reason. How about, "One charge per victim?" Of course I'll think about it in a few days and find a case where this doesn't apply either. What the heck, I don't study law, I just hate lawyers. :) -- Douglas C. Meier | You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf Northwestern University, ACNS | according to the rules of Centrifugal This University is too Commie- | Bumblepuppy. -Huxley, Brave New World Lib Pinko to have these views. | [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Christopher Wood) Subject: Re: How long do RAM SIMM's last? Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Distribution: usa Lines: 21 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Noah Price) writes: |> In article <[email protected]>, |> [email protected] (J.E. King) wrote: |> > Doesn't a 1 MB SIMM have about 1024 * 1024 * 8 moving flip-flops? |> They don't move, to anybody much bigger than an electron :-) Dynamic RAM is not based on flip-flops; there's basically a single transistor and capacitor to store each bit! Static RAM is based on flip-flops, and is much more expensive and much less dense. And neither has any parts that "move", if electrons and thermal expansion are ignored... |> noah Chris -- Chris Wood Bellcore [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 36 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jeff Hagen) writes: > >Thanx to all those who responded, particularly those "never driven an XXX >but here's what it's like:" guys... > >OK, we all know that new-age AT's are great in traffic, and do a satisfactory >job in acceleration when you keep your foot buried in the carpet. > >My question regards downshifting. NOT downshifting to pass (AT's are >good at this now), but manually moving the lever to 3, 2, or 1 at a point >where you would downshift a manual-- e.g. approaching a red light, or a >curve, or just tooling around a parking lot in 1st or 2nd w/o shifting. >This is why I'm still a Manual-Trans Bigot-- the downshifting for >deceleration seems so natural. When I try this in an automatic, the >tranny doesn't seem to understand what I want. > >Addendum-- isn't it great, after downshifting while approaching that >red light, when the light goes green, and you're already on-cam >(or the turbo's already spooled up!) -- zippppppppppp! > >Hagen. ([email protected]) > i have a grand am with auto and quad4. around the gear selector there is a plastic strip which covers the space so you can't see inside. anyway...i took the cover off and cut the end of this long strip to a specific length, the strip curls up into a cirlce at one end inside. anyway, by doing this the strip can't feed into the lip that circles it,,,,so...i can push button, pull down and the gear shifter will only go back to 2 from drive,,,no accidental hitting first. i drive around town in 2 to keep the revs up. shift to drive above 50 and pull down to 2 when coming up to lights..if i want. if i am eating food...i drive in drive. there are probably aftermarket shift kits that will accomplish the same thing. porsche's tip-tronic automatic can be driven like an auto...or put into +/- mode. tip up...upshift...tip down... downshift. of course there is an override so you don't redline the engine.

From: [email protected] (Dale Fraser) Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 28 [email protected] (Antonio Pera) writes: > The presence of the new team in Miami(I can't say South Florida; >it's too long) makes me think of an interesting question. Can you sell >the Hispanic community on Hockey? Miami is 60-70% Hispanic. This community >has no experience and no previous exposure to Hockey that I know of. The >teams in NY and LA which also have big Hispanic groups do not seem to try >to woo this group. What will Miami do? Could they get Spanish-language >tv and radio coverage? I think, as do the owners, that hockey will do well in Miami since there is a lot of people from the Northeast that spend their winters in Florida every year. As for the coverage, someone will have to come up with some money for that since broadcast rights can be expensive! Just my $0.02! Dale |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | "Why sex is so popular | Dale Fraser [email protected] | | Is easy to see: | Memorial University of Newfoundland | | It contains no sodium | CS Undergrad - Class of '92 | | And it's cholesterol free!" |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | Shelby Friedman | BLUE JAYS 1992 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!! | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | *OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE DO NOT BELONG TO ME OR THIS INSTITUTION!* | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Real Time Graphics?? Distribution: na Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH Lines: 30 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Jim Stockel) writes: > Hi, > > I will be writing a data acquisition program to collect data from a > variety of sources including RS232, and external A/D's, and I would > like to be able to display the data in near realtime. I've done this > type of thing on PC's and other machines, but I am unaware of any graphics > package that could help me with this on a UNIX machine. > > ....... > > Does anyone have any ideas on commercial or "free" packages that might > suit my needs? I would really appreciate any input. I'm sure this has > been done many times before. > For a commerical package try WAVE from Precision Visuals 505-530-6563 For a free package try KHOROS from University of New Mexico 508-277-6563 ftp from ptrg.eece.unm.edu Login in anonyomus or ftp with a valid email address as the password cd /pub/khoros/release That will get you to the right place. David

From: [email protected] Subject: FASTMicro out of business? Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu I heard FASTMicro went out of business. Is this true? They don't answer their 800 number. It's 800-821-9000.

From: [email protected] (The GodFather) Subject: LA ON ABC IN CANADA Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 16 Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just "black out" the ABC coverage for its own? comment: CBC had a great chance for some double headers: Toronto/Detroit and Vancouver/Winnipeg, but today they said that the East gets the Leafs and the West get the Vancouver game. I thought that they would show them both. The GodfAther

From: [email protected] (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper) Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 10 The actual algorithm is classified, however, their main thrust here is for cellular phones, and encryption is only over the radio end, not end to end, I think. End to end will come later. And of course you have to identify yourself to the phone company, and since the phone company complies with court orders, they will know the magic number of your chip when they sign out a warrant on you, and then can present the warrant to the key escrow house. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366

From: [email protected] (William Scott Hiles x1568) Subject: Re: Tape Drive Problems Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren Division Lines: 62 In article [email protected], [email protected] (Stephen R. Husak ) writes: >Please reply via e-mail since this is job related: > >I have a Colorado Jumbo back-up system at one of my places of >employment and it has eaten two tapes by winding the tape off the spool. > >Is there an easy fix or is the tape drive fried? Does it simply need >cleaning? > >Any and all comments will be appreciated! > >Stephen Husak > >-- >"What am I trying to do, what am I trying to say, I'm not trying to tell you > anything you didn't know when you woke up today..." > - Depeche Mode "Nothing" MUSIC FOR THE MASSES >-= Stephen R. Husak - [email protected] - Univerisity of Illinois Does it do it to all tapes? Were the two tapes that it unwound of the same type from the same batch? The reason I ask is that I bought some generic tapes that did this and found that the tape markers were not fully punched out and had closed the little marker hole. It was only on a few tapes of a set. Did you open up the tape cartridge and put the tape back on the reels? If you have not yet, open it up by removing the two screws on the bottom of the tape cartridge and snap the plastic shell away from the metal base. As you are pulling the tape through the assembly try not to touch any more than you have to. As you are doing it, look for a couple of little holes in the tape. These are the marker holes which let the tape drive know when it is at the end of the tape. The holes are spaced a couple of inches apart. My best guess is that the drive finds the first marker and then stops on the second marker? Anyhow, If the tape has the holes, then check to see if the mirror on the tape is clean. The function of the mirror is to detect the marker holes. The tape drive shines a light at the mirror and has a pickup in the area where the reflection would come out. When the hole goes by, the pickup detects the light that was allowed to pass and it knows when to stop. If the mirror is dirty or out of alighment (unlikely since it is made into the case) you might have a problem detecting the end of the tape. If the tape drive does it on all tapes and the tapes all look good, then either the pickup or the LED of the sensor system has failed or is dirty. If you open the drive door you will see the sensor assembly to the left of the R/W head assembly. If it looks clean and nothing is in its way, then the drive may need to be serviced. It is possible that the LED is burned out or the sensor is out. If it is still in warranty, you might be able to send it back to CMS for repair. --- Scott Hiles [email protected] Standard disclaimer: The opinions expressed are those of my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the DOD or the Navy. I accept full responsibility.

From: [email protected] (Roger Haaheim) Subject: Re: sex problem. Article-I.D.: news.C52E58.L8G Organization: HP California Design Center, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: hammer.cdc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] larry silverberg ([email protected]) wrote: > Hello out there, > She suggested we go to a sex counselor, but I really don't want to (just yet). Interesting. Does she know you have placed this info request on the net for the world to see? If not, how do you think she would react if she found out? Why would you accept the advice of unknown entities rather than a counselor? > Any suggestions would be appreciated. See the counselor. Well, you asked.

From: [email protected] (David J. Hughes) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: Bond University, AUSTRALIA Lines: 52 [email protected] (Andrew Berry) writes: >My impression is that most people use Motif because their OS vendor >supplies it with X (SunOS users excluded), and because it is similar in >"look and feel" to MS-Windows and OS/2 PM. Personally, I also prefer >the "look and feel" of Motif (no flames please -- just an opinion). Seeing as Motif has been adopted by Sun, IBM, HP +++ (can't remeber the other members in the recent announcement), I'm sure you'll see it on virtually every workstation (ie. Sun, IBM, HP and DEC must make up the **VAST** majority of all hardware). >I am also concerned by this prevalence of Motif, particularly from the >point of view of writing and obtaining free software. As the Linux and >386BSD communities grow, however, I think that Motif will lose some of >its grip, at least in the non-commercial marketplace. Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups pertaining to Motif has been high. >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using >the Motif widget sets). I can't see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the "free" UNIX platforms, I can't see this causing major problems. Side Note : --------- All the X based code I am writing (and will distribute freely when completed) is based on Motif because from a programmatic and also "look and feel" point of view I like it the best (no flames on this one please). bambi ___ David J. Hughes [email protected] / \ / / / / __/ __ __ ____/ / / __ Senior Network Programmer / \ / \ / \ / / / / / \ / Comms Development & Operation \____/ \__// / \__/ \___/ / / / AUSTRALIA (+61 75 951450)

From: [email protected] (Not a Boomer) Subject: Re: Clinton caves in: reduces jobs bill Summary: Too good to be true, evidently. Organization: ACME Products Lines: 18 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Not a Boomer) writes: > Clinton has backed off from the $16 billion jobs bill. > > Word is he's paring it down to the core: jobless benefits, money for > creating full time jobs (ie, no summer jobs money). > > Chalk one up for holding the line on spending. It seems radio reports were overly optimistic. All Clinton wants to cut is $2.5 Billion for community block grants, keeping in summer jobs. Hmmm, well, looks like we need to keep up the pressure on our congresspersons. Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ "There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction." Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.

From: [email protected] (Marcel Engelbertink) Subject: NO MORE ROLEX-IMITATIONS Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 28 Jammer ! Dit is geen fantastische advertentie over nep-rolexen maar een evenzo duidelijke mededeling hieromtrent : Aangezien het alleen al aanbieden van deze horloges onder vermelding van de echte merknaam niet geheel correct is, wil ik met dit bericht duidelijk maken dat ik, Marcel Engelbertink, niet meer zal adverteren met imitatie-horloges van het merk ROLEX. Enig persoon die hierin geiinteresseerd is kan ik jammer genoeg ook niet meer helpen. For all the foreign people who can't even understand dutch ?!? : In spite of earlier mailing about fake-rolex's, I announce that I don't have any information available any longer and I won't use the trade name ROLEX anymore for those fake models. Yours fakefully, M.G. Engelbertink

From: [email protected] (Pim Borst) Subject: PBM-PLUS sources, where? Nntp-Posting-Host: utis116.cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 7 Hi everybody, Can anyone name an anonymous ftp-site where I can find the sources of the PBM-PLUS package (portable bit/gray/pixel map). I would like to compile and run it on a Sun Sparcstation. Thanks!

From: [email protected] (Kevin Doherty) Subject: Hard Drive Component Costs Organization: E-Systems, Melpar Division Lines: 17 Does anyone have some information on the relative fraction of the final cost of each component in an average hard drive? For instance, I'm pretty sure the heads and the platters are the most expensive parts, with the assembly costs running a close third. Cost of the electronics is likely in the noise. Any hard numbers ($$ or percentage)? Thanks. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Kevin Doherty E-Systems/Melpar Division [email protected] | | Principal Engineer Falls Church, VA 22046 (703) 560-5000x2659 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ -- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Kevin Doherty E-Systems/Melpar Division [email protected] | | Principal Engineer Falls Church, VA 22046 (703) 560-5000x2659 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+

From: [email protected] (Steve Weet) Subject: Xterm Cursor X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA19241; Sun, 18 Apr 93 23:09:02 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA08122; Sun, 18 Apr 93 23:08:16 -0700 X-Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.13 for <[email protected]>) id AA13841; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:08:08 -0500 X-Received: from chimpc01.euro.csg.mot.com ([140.101.110.3]) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.12 for <[email protected]>) id AA05426; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:06:06 -0500 X-Received: by chimpc01.euro.csg.mot.com (5.61/MCDMAIL IR04 [03/06/92 15:24]/1.36) id AA07883; Mon, 19 Apr 93 07:04:08 GMT X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.3 26jan93) X-To: comp.windows.x.usenet Lines: 42 Forgive me if this is a FAQ (I have checked the list but I cant find it). I have a problem with the cursor within Xterm on MONO (not grayscale monitors) The problem is that when I have an character application that displays input fields in reverse video the Xterm text cursor gets lost on the edge of the input field. The solution would appear to be to set the xterm cursor to a line rather than a block, but how do you do this. I can't find any means although various sources seem to indicate it can be done. When the xterm loses the input focus the cursor becomes an outlined block. This would also be preferable but I can't seem to force this to be the default either. Configuration is : Motorola 88K X11R4 Please reply by email if poss. Thank you -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Weet - European Mis - Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group Beechgreen Court, Chineham, Basingstoke, HANTS England. Phone : +44 (0)256 790154 E-Mail [email protected] Fax : +44 (0)256 817481 Mobile : +44 (0)850 335105 Post : w10075 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Weet - European Mis - Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group Beechgreen Court, Chineham, Basingstoke, HANTS England. Phone : +44 (0)256 790154 E-Mail [email protected] Fax : +44 (0)256 817481 Mobile : +44 (0)850 335105 Post : w10075

From: [email protected] (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: "High Power" Assault guns Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support High power assault gun? Why, you must be talking about the 155mm Howitzer. Or did you want to try a 16 incher? Or one of the German railway guns? -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need [email protected] |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 |

From: [email protected] (Timothy J Brent) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 31 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, >eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. There's no >reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad >enough. > Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think >that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus >with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these statements >as metaphorical. Phew! That takes a load off. I don't want to live forever. I wish most Christians held this view. You can't walk across campus in spring without being assailed by fire-and-brimstone preachers. I really think the metaphor should be limited, at least with respect to teaching our children. It's criminal to put these ideas into a young and trusting mind. Besides, why not rely on the positive aspects of your religion to win their faith? -Tim ______________________________________________________________________________ | | | | Timothy J. Brent | A man will come to know true happiness, | | [email protected] | only when he accepts that he is but a | |=========$$$$==================| small part of an infinite universe. | | PURDUE UNIVERSITY | -Spinoza | | MATERIALS SCIENCE ENGINEERING | [paraphrased] | |_______________________________|______________________________________________| ________________________________________________________________________________

From: [email protected] (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 58 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu [email protected] (Al Donaldson) writes: >[email protected] (Andrew Molitor) writes: >>Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some >>effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in >>the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, ... > >And if Richard Nixon had had this kind of toy, he wouldn't have had >to send people into the Watergate. > This appears to be generic calling upon the name of the anti-christ. Just for the hell of it, let's destroy this remark. Let us imagine that the executive branch actually could extract keys from the escrow houses without anyone knowing, or telling. Now what? Dick has 80 bits of data. What the hell's he gonna do with it? 1) Trot around to the telco and say 'we'd like an unauthorised decrypting tap'. Uh huh. 2) Break in to watergate and install his own tap (so his people still do have to break in, neat, huh?) record some noise, then get the Executive Branch Phone Decryption Box (huh? they've got one? Goodness, wait 'til the washington post gets hold of this) and decrypt the noise. 3) More likely, stare at the key, and say 'Oh, hell it's not worth all this bloody hassle' Truth is, even granted *lots* of covert power on the part of the Executive Branch, this system is *more* difficult to tap with than POTS gear. The fact that it is easier to tap than some hypothetical system neither you nor I am going to place on our phones is neither here nor there. The only rational concerns I am seeing raised are: a) is the key really just chopped in half, and not some XOR arrangement? That is, has some egregious technical error been built in to the plan? b) is this is the first step toward strict regulation of strong encryption? >But that's not really the issue. The real issue is whether this >will be used to justify a ban against individuals' use of private >(i.e., anything else) encryption methods. This is b), of course. I suspect not. If the government actually wanted to make such regs, they'd just do it. A few hundred people on Usenet yelling about it wouldn't even slow the machine down. Besides, who is this mysterious 'they' who's going to take away all our rights the instant we let our guard down? Congress? That gang of buffoons can't even balance their checkbooks. The FBI? But.. they don't make the laws. The NSA? Ditto. The white house? Bill Clinton is probably still looking for the bathroom. It's a big place, after all. Andrew > >Al

From: "Robert Knowles" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Islamic marriage? In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 44 >DATE: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 00:11:49 GMT >FROM: F. Karner <[email protected]> > >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Masud Khan) writes: >> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (F. Karner) writes: >> > >> >Okay. So you want me to name names? There are obviously no official >> >records of these pseudo-marriages because they are performed for >> >convenience. What happens typically is that the woman is willing to move >> >in with her lover without any scruples or legal contracts to speak of. >> >The man is merely utilizing a loophole by entering into a temporary >> >religious "marriage" contract in order to have sex. Nobody complains, >> >nobody cares, nobody needs to know. >> > >> >Perhaps you should alert your imam. It could be that this practice is >> >far more widespread than you may think. Or maybe it takes 4 muslim men >> >to witness the penetration to decide if the practice exists! >> >-- >> > >> >> Again you astound me with the level of ignorance you display, Muslims >> are NOT allowed to enter temporary marriages, got that? There is >> no evidence for it it an outlawed practise so get your facts >> straight buddy. Give me references for it or just tell everyone you >> were lying. It is not a widespread as you may think (fantasise) in >> fact contrary to your fantasies it is not practised at all amongst >> Muslims. Did you miss my post on this topic with the quote from The Indonesian Handbook and Fred Rice's comments about temporary marriages? If so, I will be glad to repost them. Will you accept that it just may be a practice among some Muslims, if I do? Or will you continue to claim that we are all lying and that it is "not practised at all amongst Muslims". I don't think F. Karner has to tell everyone anything. Least of all that he is lying. Since you obviously know nothing about this practice, there is very little you can contribute to the discussion except to accuse everyone of lying. Perhaps it is your ignorance which is showing. Learn more about Islam. Learn more about Muslims. Open your eyes. Maybe you will also see some of the things the atheists see.

From: [email protected] (Shaw Goh) Subject: Re: How is a Loopback connector made? Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 [email protected] wrote: : I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial : port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the : serial port. : : Thanks for any help. : : : Steve : Me Too!!!!!!! [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 21 [email protected] (Foxvog Douglas) writes: >You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of >mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a >neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve >gas on his/her property. That really depends upon where you draw the line while defining these weapons, and also on if you intend the law to be reflective of modern practice five months or five centuries down the road. I'll give you a little hint: see that manure pile in the farmer's field down the road? In the USA, that is a weapon of mass destruction, biological in nature, because if it gets washed into an open well it will contaminate the aquifers that supply thousands of cities with drinking water. So, where do *you* draw the line? In the USA, the EPA has ruled that a pile of scrap iron is illegal. Care to draw a thinner line this time? < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 [email protected] [email protected] > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. >

From: [email protected] (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 72 This reminds me of the last Graham Kerr cooking show I saw. Today he smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot! He used a strange technique I'd never seen before. He took a big pot with lid, and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil. The tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee-table ash tray, made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges. In the tray, he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar, a similar quantity of brown rice (he said any rice will do), the contents of two teabags of Earl Grey tea, and a few cloves. On top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket-type steamer, with two chicken breasts in it. The lid was put on, and the whole assembly went on the stovetop at high heat for 10 or 12 minutes. Later, he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts. What surprises and concerns me are: 1) No wood chips. Where does the smoke flavor come from? 2) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember hearing that carmel color (obtained by caramelizing sugar -- a common coloring and flavoring agent) had been found to be carcinogenic. I believe they injected it under the skin of rats, or something. If the results were conclusive, caramel color would not be legal in the U.S., yet it is still being used. Was the initial research result found to be incorrect, or what? 3) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember Earl Grey tea being implicated as carcinogenic, because it contains oil of bergamot (an extract from the skin of a type of citrus fruit). Does anyone know whatever happened with that story? If it were carcinogenic, Earl Grey tea could not have it as an additive, yet it apparently continues to do so. WRT natural wood smoke (I've smoking a duck right now, as it happens), I've noticed that a heavily-smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently stopped flowing. I find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips, getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process, then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips. My theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low-molecular weight stuff, like terpenes, and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort of larger molecule more similar to tar. The long barbeque time after the initial intensive smoke drives off the low-molecular weight stuff, just leaving the flavor behind. Does anyone know if my theory is correct? I also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic. For that reason, and because it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess, I only grill non-drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals. I do stuff like this duck by indirect heat. I have a long rectangular Weber, and I put the coals at one end and the meat at the other end. The fat drops directly on the floor below the meat, and next time I use the barbeque I make the fire in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals. And yet another reason I've heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that smoked cured meat, like pork sausage and bacon, contains nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic. I'm pretty sure this claim actually has some standing, don't know about the others. An amusing incident I recall was the Duncan Hines scandal, when it was discovered that the people who make Duncan Hines cake mix were putting a lot of ethylene dibromide (EDB) into the cake mix to suppress weevils. This is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic. The guy who represented the company in the press conference defended himself by saying that the risk from eating Duncan Hines products every day for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal- broiled steaks. What a great analogy! When I first heard that, my immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit! One charcoal broiled steak would be equivalent to 0.5 Duncans!

From: [email protected] (Jim Meritt - System Admin) Subject: An invisible God! Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu God CAN be seen: "And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23) "And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11) "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30) God CANNOT be seen: "No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18) "And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20) "Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16) Pick what you want!

From: [email protected] (Ted Kalivoda) Subject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 20 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Daniel Cossack) writes: >[email protected] writes: >>The Apostle Paul (Romans 9:11) points out that God chose Jacob >>rather than Esau... If we admit the possibility that they had lived previous >>lives, and that (in accordance with the Asiatic idea of "karma") > >And following Romans to 9:13, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, >but Esau have I hated." How could God have loved and hated (in the >past tense) those that are not yet born, neither having done good >or evil? Woah...The context is about God's calling out a special people (the Jews) to carry the "promise." To read the meaning as literal people is to miss Paul's entire point. I'd be glad to send anyone more detailed explanations of this passage if interested. ==================================== Ted Kalivoda ([email protected]) University of Georgia, Athens Institute of Higher Ed.

From: [email protected] (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: japanese moon landing/temporary orbit Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 25 [email protected] (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes: >The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These >are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a >three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the >earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to >allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow >down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without >expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible". The >originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan >was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for >deceleration. I should probably re-post this with another title, so that the guys on the other thread would see that this is a practical use of "temporary orbits..." Another possible temporary orbit: -- Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. [email protected]|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man

From: [email protected] (Bob Montante) Subject: WANTED: bus card for Logitech Mouse Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr1.162131.4673 Expires: 5/15/1993 Distribution: na Organization: dyskaryotic Lines: 7 I've acquired an old Logitech Series 7 (3-button) mouse, and I'm told that this is a bus mouse. Does anyone want to unload an old (pc-clone) bus-card for this mouse? email replies to: [email protected] thanks.

From: [email protected] (Ron Castelletto) Subject: Orioles Phillies Red Sox Keywords: orioles phillies red sox baltimore philadelphia boston bosox Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Lines: 20 Can someone send me ticket ordering information for the following teams: Baltimore, Philadelphia and Boston. Also, if you have a home schedule available - can you tell me the dates for all home games between July26-Aug6 and between Aug30-Sept10 and if any of these games are promotion nights or special discount nights? Thanks !!! Ron PS: and also who the opponents are for these games :-) Do NOT reply to this account, please reply to: [email protected] __ _ IBM Canada Lab Database Technology | \ / \ Associate Development Analyst |__/ on | astelletto (416) 448-2546 Tie Line: 778-2546 | \_ \_/ Internal Mail: 51/843/895/TOR

From: [email protected] (Gordon Lang) Subject: Please help identify video hardware Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqep5INN88e Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 I need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will take two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template. The template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal one being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior. But I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want to exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists for NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB. Please email and or post any leads.... Gordon Lang ([email protected] -or- [email protected])

From: [email protected] (Todd Doolittle) Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job) Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization Lines: 37 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes: >In article <[email protected]> \ >[email protected] (Ryan Cousineau) writes: >% >% I think I've found the ultimate summer job: It's dangerous, involves >% motorcycles, requires high speeds in traffic, and it pays well. >% >% So my question is as follows: Has anyone here done this sort of work? >% What was your experience? >% [Stuff deleted] > Get a -good- "AtoZ" type indexed streetmap for all of the areas you're > likely to work. Always carry plenty of black-plastic bin liners to Check with the local fire department. My buddy is a firefighter and they have these small map books which are Amazing! They are compact, easy to use (no folding). They even have a cross reference section in which you match your current cross streets with the cross streets you want to go to and it details the quickest route. They gave me an extra they had laying around. But then again I know all those people I'm not really sure if they are supposed to give/sell them. (The police may also have something similar). >-- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | John Little - [email protected] - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without Todd Doolittle | a red-line. Troy, MI | '88 EX500 DoD #0832 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Petteri Kortelainen) Subject: Re: New Finnish Star is born? Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 22 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-17.hut.fi In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:40:41 GMT In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >I saw yesterday on TV a game between Team Sweden and Team Finland. >Most of us might know that it was played in Stockholm and the result >was 4:3 for the home team. That's nothing very special... But I was >very surprised of Saku Koivu. I must admit that he surprised me >already in the Finnish playoffs. And now on team Finland! >Saku Koivu is a light weight player, if we consider his size: According >to my stats he is only 172cm and 68kgs! And he is only 18! (23.11.74). >But he is a real two-way player! Skates well, can score, gives nice >passes, does even bodycheckings!!? He is really something to watch >in the WC. >The size isn't always everything. Maybe we remember Harlamov... >And they say that Saku is still growing up (3cm during last year)... Saku isn't that small any longer I guess I heard he is 177cm tall at the moment and will still grow 6-8cm. Petteri Kortelainen

From: mathew <[email protected]> Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Atheist Resources Summary: Books, addresses, music -- anything related to atheism Keywords: FAQ, atheism, books, music, fiction, addresses, contacts Expires: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 11:57:19 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Supersedes: <[email protected]> Lines: 290 Archive-name: atheism/resources Alt-atheism-archive-name: resources Last-modified: 11 December 1992 Version: 1.0 Atheist Resources Addresses of Atheist Organizations USA FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION Darwin fish bumper stickers and assorted other atheist paraphernalia are available from the Freedom From Religion Foundation in the US. Write to: FFRF, P.O. Box 750, Madison, WI 53701. Telephone: (608) 256-8900 EVOLUTION DESIGNS Evolution Designs sell the "Darwin fish". It's a fish symbol, like the ones Christians stick on their cars, but with feet and the word "Darwin" written inside. The deluxe moulded 3D plastic fish is $4.95 postpaid in the US. Write to: Evolution Designs, 7119 Laurel Canyon #4, North Hollywood, CA 91605. People in the San Francisco Bay area can get Darwin Fish from Lynn Gold -- try mailing <[email protected]>. For net people who go to Lynn directly, the price is $4.95 per fish. AMERICAN ATHEIST PRESS AAP publish various atheist books -- critiques of the Bible, lists of Biblical contradictions, and so on. One such book is: "The Bible Handbook" by W.P. Ball and G.W. Foote. American Atheist Press. 372 pp. ISBN 0-910309-26-4, 2nd edition, 1986. Bible contradictions, absurdities, atrocities, immoralities... contains Ball, Foote: "The Bible Contradicts Itself", AAP. Based on the King James version of the Bible. Write to: American Atheist Press, P.O. Box 140195, Austin, TX 78714-0195. or: 7215 Cameron Road, Austin, TX 78752-2973. Telephone: (512) 458-1244 Fax: (512) 467-9525 PROMETHEUS BOOKS Sell books including Haught's "Holy Horrors" (see below). Write to: 700 East Amherst Street, Buffalo, New York 14215. Telephone: (716) 837-2475. An alternate address (which may be newer or older) is: Prometheus Books, 59 Glenn Drive, Buffalo, NY 14228-2197. AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR HUMANISM An organization promoting black secular humanism and uncovering the history of black freethought. They publish a quarterly newsletter, AAH EXAMINER. Write to: Norm R. Allen, Jr., African Americans for Humanism, P.O. Box 664, Buffalo, NY 14226. United Kingdom Rationalist Press Association National Secular Society 88 Islington High Street 702 Holloway Road London N1 8EW London N19 3NL 071 226 7251 071 272 1266 British Humanist Association South Place Ethical Society 14 Lamb's Conduit Passage Conway Hall London WC1R 4RH Red Lion Square 071 430 0908 London WC1R 4RL fax 071 430 1271 071 831 7723 The National Secular Society publish "The Freethinker", a monthly magazine founded in 1881. Germany IBKA e.V. Internationaler Bund der Konfessionslosen und Atheisten Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. IBKA publish a journal: MIZ. (Materialien und Informationen zur Zeit. Politisches Journal der Konfessionslosesn und Atheisten. Hrsg. IBKA e.V.) MIZ-Vertrieb, Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. For atheist books, write to: IBDK, Internationaler B"ucherdienst der Konfessionslosen Postfach 3005, D-3000 Hannover 1. Germany. Telephone: 0511/211216 Books -- Fiction THOMAS M. DISCH "The Santa Claus Compromise" Short story. The ultimate proof that Santa exists. All characters and events are fictitious. Any similarity to living or dead gods -- uh, well... WALTER M. MILLER, JR "A Canticle for Leibowitz" One gem in this post atomic doomsday novel is the monks who spent their lives copying blueprints from "Saint Leibowitz", filling the sheets of paper with ink and leaving white lines and letters. EDGAR PANGBORN "Davy" Post atomic doomsday novel set in clerical states. The church, for example, forbids that anyone "produce, describe or use any substance containing... atoms". PHILIP K. DICK Philip K. Dick Dick wrote many philosophical and thought-provoking short stories and novels. His stories are bizarre at times, but very approachable. He wrote mainly SF, but he wrote about people, truth and religion rather than technology. Although he often believed that he had met some sort of God, he remained sceptical. Amongst his novels, the following are of some relevance: "Galactic Pot-Healer" A fallible alien deity summons a group of Earth craftsmen and women to a remote planet to raise a giant cathedral from beneath the oceans. When the deity begins to demand faith from the earthers, pot-healer Joe Fernwright is unable to comply. A polished, ironic and amusing novel. "A Maze of Death" Noteworthy for its description of a technology-based religion. "VALIS" The schizophrenic hero searches for the hidden mysteries of Gnostic Christianity after reality is fired into his brain by a pink laser beam of unknown but possibly divine origin. He is accompanied by his dogmatic and dismissively atheist friend and assorted other odd characters. "The Divine Invasion" God invades Earth by making a young woman pregnant as she returns from another star system. Unfortunately she is terminally ill, and must be assisted by a dead man whose brain is wired to 24-hour easy listening music. MARGARET ATWOOD "The Handmaid's Tale" A story based on the premise that the US Congress is mysteriously assassinated, and fundamentalists quickly take charge of the nation to set it "right" again. The book is the diary of a woman's life as she tries to live under the new Christian theocracy. Women's right to own property is revoked, and their bank accounts are closed; sinful luxuries are outlawed, and the radio is only used for readings from the Bible. Crimes are punished retroactively: doctors who performed legal abortions in the "old world" are hunted down and hanged. Atwood's writing style is difficult to get used to at first, but the tale grows more and more chilling as it goes on. VARIOUS AUTHORS "The Bible" This somewhat dull and rambling work has often been criticized. However, it is probably worth reading, if only so that you'll know what all the fuss is about. It exists in many different versions, so make sure you get the one true version. Books -- Non-fiction PETER DE ROSA "Vicars of Christ", Bantam Press, 1988 Although de Rosa seems to be Christian or even Catholic this is a very enlighting history of papal immoralities, adulteries, fallacies etc. (German translation: "Gottes erste Diener. Die dunkle Seite des Papsttums", Droemer-Knaur, 1989) MICHAEL MARTIN "Atheism: A Philosophical Justification", Temple University Press, Philadelphia, USA. A detailed and scholarly justification of atheism. Contains an outstanding appendix defining terminology and usage in this (necessarily) tendentious area. Argues both for "negative atheism" (i.e. the "non-belief in the existence of god(s)") and also for "positive atheism" ("the belief in the non-existence of god(s)"). Includes great refutations of the most challenging arguments for god; particular attention is paid to refuting contempory theists such as Platinga and Swinburne. 541 pages. ISBN 0-87722-642-3 (hardcover; paperback also available) "The Case Against Christianity", Temple University Press A comprehensive critique of Christianity, in which he considers the best contemporary defences of Christianity and (ultimately) demonstrates that they are unsupportable and/or incoherent. 273 pages. ISBN 0-87722-767-5 JAMES TURNER "Without God, Without Creed", The Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, MD, USA Subtitled "The Origins of Unbelief in America". Examines the way in which unbelief (whether agnostic or atheistic) became a mainstream alternative world-view. Focusses on the period 1770-1900, and while considering France and Britain the emphasis is on American, and particularly New England developments. "Neither a religious history of secularization or atheism, Without God, Without Creed is, rather, the intellectual history of the fate of a single idea, the belief that God exists." 316 pages. ISBN (hardcover) 0-8018-2494-X (paper) 0-8018-3407-4 GEORGE SELDES (Editor) "The great thoughts", Ballantine Books, New York, USA A "dictionary of quotations" of a different kind, concentrating on statements and writings which, explicitly or implicitly, present the person's philosophy and world-view. Includes obscure (and often suppressed) opinions from many people. For some popular observations, traces the way in which various people expressed and twisted the idea over the centuries. Quite a number of the quotations are derived from Cardiff's "What Great Men Think of Religion" and Noyes' "Views of Religion". 490 pages. ISBN (paper) 0-345-29887-X. RICHARD SWINBURNE "The Existence of God (Revised Edition)", Clarendon Paperbacks, Oxford This book is the second volume in a trilogy that began with "The Coherence of Theism" (1977) and was concluded with "Faith and Reason" (1981). In this work, Swinburne attempts to construct a series of inductive arguments for the existence of God. His arguments, which are somewhat tendentious and rely upon the imputation of late 20th century western Christian values and aesthetics to a God which is supposedly as simple as can be conceived, were decisively rejected in Mackie's "The Miracle of Theism". In the revised edition of "The Existence of God", Swinburne includes an Appendix in which he makes a somewhat incoherent attempt to rebut Mackie. J. L. MACKIE "The Miracle of Theism", Oxford This (posthumous) volume contains a comprehensive review of the principal arguments for and against the existence of God. It ranges from the classical philosophical positions of Descartes, Anselm, Berkeley, Hume et al, through the moral arguments of Newman, Kant and Sidgwick, to the recent restatements of the classical theses by Plantinga and Swinburne. It also addresses those positions which push the concept of God beyond the realm of the rational, such as those of Kierkegaard, Kung and Philips, as well as "replacements for God" such as Lelie's axiarchism. The book is a delight to read - less formalistic and better written than Martin's works, and refreshingly direct when compared with the hand-waving of Swinburne. JAMES A. HAUGHT "Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness", Prometheus Books Looks at religious persecution from ancient times to the present day -- and not only by Christians. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 89-64079. 1990. NORM R. ALLEN, JR. "African American Humanism: an Anthology" See the listing for African Americans for Humanism above. GORDON STEIN "An Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism", Prometheus Books An anthology covering a wide range of subjects, including 'The Devil, Evil and Morality' and 'The History of Freethought'. Comprehensive bibliography. EDMUND D. COHEN "The Mind of The Bible-Believer", Prometheus Books A study of why people become Christian fundamentalists, and what effect it has on them. Net Resources There's a small mail-based archive server at mantis.co.uk which carries archives of old alt.atheism.moderated articles and assorted other files. For more information, send mail to [email protected] saying help send atheism/index and it will mail back a reply. mathew ÿ

From: [email protected] (Steven Stovall) Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Temple (was Re: Anybody out there?) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Lines: 25 [email protected] (Todd Stevens) writes: >Chuck Petch writes: >>Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming >>sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days. >>Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think >>it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it >>happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is >>drawing near. Look up! >How is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed? Are there any Jews who >can legitimately prove their Levite bloodline? If I am not mistaken, the Jewish family names Cohen, Kahn, etc. are considered to be legitimate indicators of descent from Aaron. The family names Levi, Levene, etc. are considered to be legitimate indicators of descent from Levi. The main legal issue is the purification of the priesthood, which is supposed to involve finding the ashes of of the red heifer last used for this purpose 2000 years ago. _______________________________________________________________________________ steven stovall [email protected] (310) 825-7307

From: [email protected] (Philip K. Stone) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 24 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jody Levine) writes: >[...] On a >waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on >a motorcycle, I don't think this is the case, at least not on all jetskis. On my friend's jetski, bars turn left to go left. Anyway, all you're doing there is changing the yaw of the jets, so the relationship between the handlbars and the rear-mounted jets is completely arbitrary (simple linkage could make it work either way). >so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the >centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for >gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*. It seems to me that jetskis are even more irrelevant to this discussion than snow skis. But it *has* been an amusing digression. Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here? Phil Stone NEW ADDRESS----------> [email protected] '83 R80ST "Motorcycles OK"

From: [email protected] (Farzin Mokhtarian) Subject: Re: KH news # 1026 Originator: [email protected] Organization: NTT Corp. Japan Lines: 23 I wrote: @ From: Kayhan Havai # 1026 @ -------------------------- @ @ o Dr. Namaki, deputy minister of health stated that infant @ mortality (under one year old) in Iran went down from 120 @ per thousand before the revolution to 33 per thousand at @ the end of 1371 (last month). @ @ o Dr Namaki also stated that before the revolution only @ 254f children received vaccinations to protect them @ from various deseases but this figure reached 93at @ the end of 1371. Something funny happens to the percent sign. In paragraph above, the vaccination rate went from 25 percent to 93 percent. - Farzin --

From: [email protected] (Rob de Winter) Subject: WANTED: Info on Asymetrix/Toolbook Originator: [email protected] Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands Lines: 17 Does anyone know the phone and fax number of the Asymetrix Corporation. I am also interested in their e-mail address. I would also like to know what the current status of their product Toolbook is. I received the last update 1.5 about 1.5 year ago. Are their any new developments or is Toolbook slowly dying? Regards, Rob de Winter. -- *** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** *** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** *** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** *** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: [email protected] ***

From: [email protected] (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) Subject: Questioning Authority Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey Lines: 36 Chris Mussack writes: > For all those people who insist I question authority: Why? How about: The Holocaust The Spanish Inquisition Jonestown (just to name a few) ? Authorities sometimes tell people to do evil things. People who "just follow orders" have tortured and killed others in very large numbers, and protest their innocence afterwards. When your authority starts telling you to do things, you should ask questions. Except for situations of pressing need ("I said shut the hatch because the submarine is filling with water!"), any reasonable authority should be able to give at least some justification that you can understand. Just be sure to listen when authority answers. (If anybody is interested in questions of psychological pressure and following orders, you might want to read about a study done by Solomon Ashe in 1951 on conformity, and another done by Stanley Milgram in 1963 on obedience. Both should be in any good book on psychology/sociology. The results are both fascinating and terrifying.) Darren F Provine / [email protected] "we do what we're told we do what we're told we do what we're told told to do" -- Peter Gabriel

From: [email protected] (Walter Rolandi) Subject: Re: Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall? Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 13 [email protected] (Jeff Hagen) writes: >A good two-party system will bring Italy efficient, accountable government. yeah, just like we have here in the US. -- WALTER G. ROLANDI USENET: [email protected] INTERNET: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Mississippi River water and catfish: safe? Reply-To: [email protected] (Gordon Banks) Distribution: usa Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 18 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes: >I've been invited to spend a couple weeks this summer rafting down the >Mississippi. My journey partners want to live off of river water and >catfish along the route. Should I have any concerns about pollution or >health risks in doing this? You'd have to purify the river water first. I'm not sure how practical that is with the Mississippi. You'd better check with health agencies along the way to see if there are toxic chemicals in the river. If it is just microorganisms, those can be filtered or killed, but you may need activated charcoal or other means to purify from chemicals. Better be same than sorry. Obviously, drinking the river without processing it is likely to make you sick from bacteria and parasites. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and [email protected] | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 18 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Pat) writes: >what ever happened to the hypothesis that the shuttle flight software >was a major factor in the loss of 51-L. to wit, that during the >wind shear event, the Flight control software indicated a series >of very violent engine movements that shocked and set upa harmonic >resonance leading to an overstress of the struts. This sounds like another of Ali AbuTaha's 57 different "real causes" of the Challenger accident. As far as I know, there has never been the slightest shred of evidence for a "harmonic resonance" having occurred. The windshear-induced maneuvering probably *did* contribute to opening up the leak path in the SRB joint again -- it seems to have sealed itself after the puffs of smoke during liftoff -- but the existing explanation of this and related events seems to account for the evidence adequately. -- SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | [email protected] utzoo!henry

From: [email protected] (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: EnviroLeague Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 117 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com A new alternative to Scouting for those "unacceptable to BSA" for reasons of religious or sexual preference: From: "BOYD R. CRITZ, III" <[email protected]> Subject: EnviroLeague "Birth Announcement" on March 7, 1993, from EARTH Forum, CompuServe Information Service =================================================================== FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT ------------------- (SM) EnviroLeague A new youth movement,"EnviroLeague," was recently born, according to its founder, Boyd R. Critz, III (CIS ID# 71611,365), of Peoria, Illinois. EnviroLeague exists for the education of youth, both male and female, in matters concerning their values related to and responsibility for our environment. Incorporated as an Illinois not-for-profit corporation, its Articles and initial applications for a service mark have now been filed. According to Critz, its draft Bylaws contain the following statement of Mission and Objectives: MISSION It is the Mission of EnviroLeague and its adult members to foster and implement the improved education of young people in the need to conduct their lives as Stewards of The Earth, to leave The Earth in a better condition than they found it, and to otherwise act as responsible, moral and ethical users of their environment. To pursue the accomplishment of this Mission, EnviroLeague shall seek to serve as a catalyst, focusing in common cause the separate efforts of all groups desiring the preservation, improvement, and responsible use of the environment in which we must all live. OBJECTIVES In pursuit of the Mission of EnviroLeague, its primary objectives shall be: (1) To establish a Movement involving as many environmentally concerned organizations as possible, said Movement having as its primary focus the education and participatory involvement of young people in appropriate areas of environmental concern; (2) To develop and provide to such organizations and their branches a full complement of program materials for their use, including suitable uniforms, insignia and other badges, written ideas, syllabi and information, literature and other items as shall seem appropriate and desirable; (3) To serve as a "clearing house" for the exchange of program ideas, materials and information among said organizations; and (4) To assist environmentally concerned organizations to recruit and train the necessary adult leadership for their youth programs. EnviroLeague will operate through three "Program Divisions" serving youth in the elementary, middle and high school grades, respectively. Service shall be through formation of "EnviroLeague Teams," either by EnviroLeague itself or by environmentally conscious organizations (or their local branches) wishing a charter to use programs developed by EnviroLeague. EnviroLeague, as it develops, will be controlled by the actual adult leaders of each local Team, and will have no nationally imposed obstacles to membership or adult leadership status not based upon relevant improper conduct. Organizations accepting a charter may, however, impose certain additional standards for their own use of the program material. Should such organizations do so, EnviroLeague will commit itself to forming, as soon as possible, new nearby Teams having no such restrictions, particularly as to youth membership. EnviroLeague will operate on the principle that youth will have much to contribute to developing its programs. Thus, the top youth leaders of its Teams for middle and high school youth may become involved in governing any local administrative groups, and those for its high school youth may be involved in similar functions at the national level. Program materials are in development at this time. Copies of the "draft" portions of the Mentor's Manual (manual for adult leadership) will be in the EARTH Forum, Library 17. These files will be updated as development takes place. CompuServe is particularly proud that EnviroLeague's founder chose this electronic medium to make the first public announcement of its formation. This announcement is being made simultaneously in both the OUTDOOR and EARTH Forums. The electronic home of EnviroLeague is in CompuServe's Earth Forum - GO EARTH - message and library areas 17, both named "EnviroLeague." ============================================================================ Subsequently, EnviroLeague's Initial Governance Council has held its first meeting. Boyd Critz was elected as the first EnviroLeague Chief Guardian (equivalent to Chairman of the Board or CEO). He can be reached at home (309) 675-4483 in case of real need. Also, mail can be addressed to: EnviroLeague P.O. Box 418 Peoria, IL 61651-0418 Those interested in starting an EnviroLeague Team might just establish contact, to receive a diskette (IBM DOS, ASCII) with initial information. -- [email protected] --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR [email protected] write today for my special Investors' Packet...

From: [email protected] (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 60 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Marc A Afifi) writes: >[email protected] (Dorin Baru) writes: >> Even the most extemist, one sided (jewish/israeli) postings (with which I >> certainly disagree), did not openly back plain murder. You do. >> >> The 'Lebanese resistance' you are talking about is a bunch of lebanese >> farmers who detonate bombs after work, or is an organized entity of not- >> only-lebanese well trained mercenaries ? I do not know, just curious. >> >> I guess you also back the killings of hundreds of marines in Beirut, right? >> >> What kind of 'resistance' movement killed jewish attlets in Munich 1972 ? >> >> You liked it, didn't you ? >> >> >> You posted some other garbage before, so at least you seem to be consistent. >> >> Dorin >Dorin, >Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The >distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people >whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these >soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. And >resistance is different from terrorism. Certainly the athletes in Munich >were victims of terrorists (though some might call them freedom fighters). And some of us call them murderous bastards, but what's in a name. >Their deaths cannot be compared to those of soldiers who are killed by >resistance fighters. Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the >Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the >hostile occupiers in WWII. Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the Just a damn minute! What history books did you read? I seem to recall that there were a few British, Canadian, American, and Commonwealth soldiers in France about that time. Perhaps you believe they were taking a vacation trip? >Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the >only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving >out the US) Sure, the Lebanese want to get all foreigners out of the country so they can go back to killing each other off. >-marc REB >-- >______________________________________________________________________________ >Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with >both eyes. >My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions. >______________________________________________________________________________

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Can sin "block" our prayers? Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University Lines: 35 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes: > I have heard an interesting notion that sin can "block" our prayers to God, > i.e. God will not hear our prayers if we have not confessed our sins. Now I am > totally supportive of confessing our sins before God, but I simply do not > believe God will "shut us out" just because we did not confess. This is kind of > like the idea that suffering is caused by sin, which, as any Job reader will > realize, is too simpilistic. {rest deleted} Can the Father possibly not hear the words of His children. Of course He hears all your prayers. Whether you are a sinner or a saint, no questions. The real question you should be asking is: "Does sin block OUR hearing His answer?" And the answer to that question is a resounding YES. To paraphrase the gospel "Many are called but few choose to listen" and so it is with prayer. In Christ, James -- _____________________________________________________________________________ James Hale Lincoln School of Health Sciences Computing Unit La Trobe University,Bundoora, AUSTRALIA [email protected] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The grace of God rests gently on forgiving eyes, and everything they look on speaks of Him to the beholder. He can see no evil, nothing in the world to fear, and no one who is different from himself." Text, P 418 _____________________________________________________________________________

From: [email protected] (Michael Salmon) Subject: Re: XtShellStrings,XtStrings? Nntp-Posting-Host: eos6c02.ericsson.se Reply-To: [email protected] (Michael Salmon) Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 28 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Christian Wilk) writes: |> |> Hello, |> |> does somebody know the functions XtShellStrings and XtStrings? |> I haven't found them in any librarys not Xm, Xt, nor X11, and I need |> them to install a tool. |> |> Any hints greatly appreciated! Please reply via e-mail. They aren't functions, they are character arrays. The standard strings are either defined as string constants or character pointers into XtShellStrings and XtStrings determined by XTSTRINGDEFINES. Your libraries were compiled with this defined and your application with it undefined so simply recompile one or the other. It is probably worth adding -DXTSTRINGDEFINES to your CFLAGS. -- Michael Salmon #include <standard.disclaimer> #include <witty.saying> #include <fancy.pseudo.graphics> Ericsson Telecom AB Stockholm

From: [email protected] (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 66 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Yigal Arens) writes: >At issue was not a trial behind closed doors, but arrest, trial and >imprisonment in complete secrecy. This was appraently attempted in the >case of Vanunu and failed. It has happened before, and there is reason >to believe it still goes on. The lengthy article you quote doesn't imply this. It only states that it is somehow POSSIBLE, not that it is in any way likely. This is akin to an article saying that it is POSSIBLE that the USAF has several captured UFOs, without supporting the liklihood of such an assertion. >Read this: >From Ma'ariv, February 18 (possibly 28), 1992 >PUBLICATION BAN > >By Baruch Me'iri > >All those involved in this matter politely refused my request, one way >or another: "Look, the subject is too delicate. If I comment on it, I >will be implicitly admitting that it is true; If I mention a specific >case, even hint at it, I might be guilty of making public something >which may legally not be published". In other words, they were telling a pesky reporter to keep guessing. Israel maintains this same attitude about nuclear weapons it may or may not have. The US maintains the same attitude about the presence of nuclear weapons on specific naval craft. By refusing to acknowledge the existence of such weapons on specific ships, US warships have, I believe, become unwelcome in New Zealand, which has declared itself a nuclear-free-zone. >The State of Israel has never officially admitted that for many years >there have been in its prisons Israeli citizens who were sentenced to >long prison terms without either the fact of their arrest or the >crimes of which they were accused ever being made public. More >precisely: A court ordered publication ban was placed on the fact of >their arrest, and later on their imprisonment. The USAF has never officially admitted to having any UFOs, either. >In Israel of 1993, citizens are imprisoned without us, the citizens of >this country, knowing anything about it. Not knowing anything about >the fact that one person or another were tried and thrown in prison, >for security offenses, in complete secrecy. This is stated as a fact without supporting evidence. It would've been more convincing if your reporter had come up with just one name of someone who is sitting in jail, lost to the world, as he suggests. Maybe Elvis, or JFK, somebody. Let's put it this way: If Israel has put people away without publicizing their arrests or the legal proceedings against them, how has their disappearance been explained? People have relatives, friends and colleagues, you know. Israel is not known as a place where people are made to vanish. Would you care to give us a list of people whose whereabouts are unknown? People who are presumed to be imprisoned? This whole conspiracy story isn't something that we've come to associate with Yigal Arens before. Perhaps from now on, we should. -- Jake Livni [email protected] Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.

From: [email protected] (Ron Morris ) Subject: Re: Blackhawks win!!! Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes... >The Hawks win!! Jermey Roenick scored his 50 th goal and the Hawks put the >Leafs in their place, the losers column. If the Leafs can not even beat the >Hawks in a match that had little or no meaning I will hate to see them against >the Wings. > >Oh btw I laugh at rm, that jerky!!! I would appreciate it if you would not refer to Mr. Maynard by his initials. Thanks, see you in the Norris finals. Ron ********** "And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about. I'm getting bored reading the same problems in the paper, decade after decade. I want people to have to deal with new problems." ... President Bill Clinton 2-4-93

From: [email protected] (Jeff J. Miller) Subject: Re: Need info on Porsche 914's Nntp-Posting-Host: brew Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Network Systems Corporation Lines: 43 In article [email protected], [email protected] (Len Buzyna) writes: >Hi there, >I've recently been toying with the idea of purchasing an old 914. The going >rate seems to be about $4000 for cars with anywhere from 40-80K Mi. >My question is this- what should I expect at this price? Should I expect to >have extensive body work done? What about engine & transmission- should I >likewise expect to have both virtually replaced? Along those lines, >does anyone have the names & addresses of any mail-order parts >suppliers for everything from engine to body parts? I'm completely new >to the area of restoring cars, and as I don't actually do any work with >cars, most of the work would have to be professionally done- what sould >I expect the cost of upgrading a 914 to a rust-free, mechanically >sound automobile? >Thanks in advance, >Andre >.. > True 914 enthusiasts will be able to give you a better answer then this but I'll dump my impressions. I've wanted to own a 914 for about 10 years now; came close once but I ended up buying a Fiero instead (biggest mistake of my life!) Anyway, for $4000 you should be able to get a nice car but your also set in the price range to get taken by a nice looker that is a pile of shit. The most common total failure for the car would be frame rust between the engine and passenger compartment. Also look for chassis welded together here. Oh yeah, the price range you are talking about must be the 4 banger; a 6 (if you could find one) would be mucho more bucks. Parts for the engine are pretty easy to come by (for an old car) and you can even locate crude in the JC Whitney catalog if you have too. The machine itself is pretty simple (they use the spare tire for windshild washer instead of a pump fer chris sake!) so getting it fixed by a good bug/porsche mechanic would be easy. Since it is mid-engine you may spend more on labor for any mechanical work. -- Jeff Miller Network Systems Corporation Internetwork Group 7600 Boone Avenue North [email protected] Minneapolis MN 55428 (612)424-4888

From: [email protected] (Phil Carmack) Subject: Re: ATI ultra pro Drivers? [bad ATI ultra] Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Lines: 39 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tom Fisk | 2D-337 STM | 5-4341) writes: |> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Robertson) writes... |> >Does anybody know the FTP site with the latest Windows drivers for the ATI |> >GUP? |> >Thanks |> > |> The latest driver release is 59 and can be found at ftp.cica.indiana.edu |> in the pub/pc/win3/... directory structure as pro59.zip. I checked with ATI's |> BBS last nite and there were no releases past 59. |> |> We have the ATI Local Bus card and I noticed that I get garbage around the |> edges of a window when I move it. Has anybody else noticed this also? I have the local bus card also, and don't have any such problems with it now, but this is the second card I've gotten - the first card didn't work in VGA mode correctly. Maybe they still have some quality control problems. I would suggest checking with ATI (I went through the vendor I bought the card from since the problem showed up immediately). I never was able to get through to ATI's technical support number. I sure like the way the card performs though. I have the 2MB ATI ultra pro - local bus, and it is fast even in 1024x768x16bpp mode. Cheers, Phil |> |> Tom. |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |> Thomas B. Fisk +----------------------------+ Internet: [email protected] |> Mayo Clinic | If you don't know where | Voice: (507) 255-4341 |> 200 First Street SW | you're going you'll never | FAX: (507) 255-5484 |> Mail Stop 2D-337 STM | get there. | |> Rochester, MN 55905 +----------------------------+ |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Philip Carmack | [email protected] (408)987-3336 Kubota Pacific Computers, Inc. |

Distribution: world From: [email protected] (Anthony D. Saxton) Organization: Cyber Sanctum BBS 702.435.2179 Subject: Re: How long do RAM SIMM's last? Lines: 10 > > > > Doesn't a 1 MB SIMM have about 1024 * 1024 * 8 moving flip-flops? > > They don't move, to anybody much bigger than an electron :-) And they're more like 1024x1024x8 charging & discharging capacitors in a DRAM SIMM =-) Anthony D. Saxton Elenay Creations

From: [email protected] (RUSSELL EARNEST) Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 29 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Len Reed) writes: > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Hanson Loo) writes: > >Didn't Bob Horner go straight from Arizona State Univ. > >to the Atlanta Braves? I remember he had one great > >month hitting dingers and then the next I heard > >he was in Japan. > A month? Well, he did have a short career--compared to what one might > have expected for such a highly touted prospect--due to being injury prone, > overweight, and having no work ethic. But he certainly did not > suffer from being rushed to the bigs. Sorry Len, this is exactly how he suffered from being rushed to the bigs. Being overweight and having no work ethic, leading to being injury prone with nothing to loose, might have been corrected in Richmond. (Did you intend a smiley after your comment?) This brings back the long suffering memories of pre-chop Braves fans who kept being promised the Bob Horner - Dale Murphy back to back power slam. Who could stop that? Guess we'll never know. P.S. - Rocky fans (are there any yet?) Is Dale getting any playing time out there? I plan to be at the game on June 28th, they'll have to play him then. -- "Read that to memory and process it!" - RUSSELL EARNEST Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!re4 ARPA: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Mark D. Looper) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Keywords: Galileo, JPL [email protected] (Pat) writes: >Galileo's HGA is stuck. >The HGA was left closed, because galileo had a venus flyby. >If the HGA were pointed att he sun, near venus, it would >cook the foci elements. >question: WHy couldn't Galileo's course manuevers have been >designed such that the HGA did not ever do a sun point.? The HGA isn't all that reflective in the wavelengths that might "cook the focal elements", nor is its figure good on those scales--the problem is that the antenna _itself_ could not be exposed to Venus-level sunlight, lest like Icarus' wings it melt. (I think it was glues and such, as well as electronics, that they were worried about.) Thus it had to remain furled and the axis _always_ pointed near the sun, so that the small sunshade at the tip of the antenna mast would shadow the folded HGA. (A larger sunshade beneath the antenna shielded the spacecraft bus.) --Mark Looper "Hot Rodders--America's first recyclers!"

From: [email protected] (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: Wings will win Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 67 In article [email protected], [email protected] (Randy A. Graca) writes: >[email protected] (Greg Ballentine) writes: > >>In article [email protected], [email protected] (Randy A. Graca) writes: > >>>I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they >>>face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters >>>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM >>>I have ever seen in hockey > >>How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were >>a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked >>unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for >>the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would >>have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon >>of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can >>maintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level. > >When Jacques Demers brought the Wings to the conference finals twice a >few years back, he had everyone on the team giving 100 percent, but he >had very little talent. He had Yzerman, Bob Probert (who had drinking >problems at the time), and a couple of decent goaltenders in Hanlon and >Stefan who got hot. That's about it. Can you name one player on those >earlier teams who even deserved to be in the all-star game, much less >actually got there, other than Yzerman and Probert? Like, Petr Klima? >Give me a break! When they faced Edmonton in both of those conference >finals, as hard as they played, it was clear they faced a team that simply >had superior talent to the Wings. That's why they could not get to the >finals. Also, at that time the Norris division was still the weakest >division in hockey, and getting past Chicago, and Toronto was not as >impressive as it is today. > >Murray has brought scoring talent to the Wings that they did not have a >few years ago when Devellano was GM and Demers was coach. To name a few, >Ysebaert, Kozlov, and Paul Coffey (who has made a definite positive impact on >the power play especially). >Murray has built one of the most talented teams in hockey at the present, with >the possible exception of the Pittsburgh Penguins. The Wings have at least >five 30 goal scorers that I can think of, and a couple of defenseman with over >100 games worth of playoff experience. Murray's one failing is that unlike >the other GM's you mentioned (who are definitely also good, don't get me >wrong), he has not found for himself a strong coach to motivate the team to >go out and give 100 percent for the full 60 minutes every night like they >did the last time they made a cup run. When a team wins or loses, it's a >reflection of the GM *and* the coach, which was the point of my original >post. If the team outmatches their opponent in terms of talent but loses >anyway (which has been the case this year when the Wings have struggled), >that indicates that the GM has done his job in building up the team but the >coach has failed to motivate them. If, as in the case of the last run the >Wings made in the playoffs before Murray came, they gave opponents a hard >time who should have beaten them easily, that indicates good coaching making >up for a lack of talent. All of this is fine. I never said that Murray was a bad GM. I merely said that he isn't the best GM in hockey- or even a contender for that honor. If Murray is as great as you claim- the Wings would have won the Stanley Cup by now- probably more than once. If he was as great a GM as you claim and he was as poor a coach as you claim- he would have been intelligent enough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success. But Murray is an average (unspectacular) NHL coach and a pretty good GM so none of this is true anyway. Gregmeister

From: [email protected] (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 [email protected] (Craig Boyle) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >>[email protected] (Darren Gibbons) writes: >>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My >>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, >>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run >>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine >>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and >>>I am quite interested in it. >>>Thanks! >>>Darren Gibbons >>>[email protected] >> >> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? >Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same >chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily >be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. >Craig I think the Manta is the European name for the "GT." I'm pretty sure that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta. -- Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: [email protected] *******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********

From: [email protected] (David Max) Subject: 24bit mode on Speedstar 24X Summary: Routines for 24 bit color on Speedstar 24X? Keywords: Diamond Speedstar 24X 24bit 16.7 Organization: New York University Lines: 12 I have a Diamond Speedstar 24X board that I want to program for 24 bit 640x480 graphics, or possibly 800x600 16 bit color. Does anybody have any libraries supporting these modes on this board? Even somes simple routines to set the graphics mode and plot individual pixels would be a great help. I plan to use the routines with djgp. Thanks in advance. Please respond also via e-mail. David Max [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: Centris 650 Math CoProcessor option Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Distribution: usa Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 40 [email protected] writes: >Sorry if this is a FAQ. I don't normally read comp.sys.mac.hardware. >I am purchasing a couple of Centris 650's. I configured the systems >as follows: > Eight (8) Mb RAM > Ethernet > 1 Mb VRAM > Math CoProcessor option >My purchasing agent told me about the math coprocessor option and sent >me the Apple summary documentation to prove it. I ordered the coprocessor >option, but I'm really not sure that we needed it. I thought the '040 chip >had a math coprocessor built into it. Has Apple had a math coprocessor chip >architectured to keep up with the speed of the '040 chip in the Centris 650? >I am concerned that I may have set up a hardware bottleneck. Apple has really confused people with this whole thing. I think we'll be answering this question for about the next year or so. There is no "option" to get an FPU on a C650. What you have is a choice of CPUs: there is the 68LC040 that does not have an integrated FPU like the full '040 and is only present in the base 4/80 model of the C650 (AppleUSA). And there is the full '040 which you get when you order anything other than the base 4/80 configuration. Therefore, since you have ordered one of the 8MB versions with on-board Ethernet models you will not be getting the LC040. But even if you wanted to have the LC040 you wouldn't be able to order a C650 with 8MB RAM, on-board Ethernet and an LC040. It's not an "option." Also, a note to people out there that have 4/80 C650s and C610s thinking that there is an optional FPU, the '040 class chip cannot recognize an external FPU, so there is no socket on the motherboard for a FPU chip and you cannot go out and purchase an FPU on a PDS card or something like that. The only way to get an FPU in these machines is to replace the LC040 with a full '040. And if you have a C610, you will not need to worry about a heat sink if you do replace the LC040 with the full '040, but if you have a 4/80 C650 you do need to have a heat sink. -Hades

From: [email protected] (Ron Gaskins) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim Originator: c23reg@koptsw21 Keywords: Dimmer switch location (repost) Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 22 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Lasse Ohlsson, T/TDT, 1129) writes: > In article [email protected], [email protected] () writes: > >IMHO, the dumbest thing we *ever* did in copying the Japanese was moving the > >dimmer switch from the floor to the lever controlling the turn signal/cruise The federal government has mandated that all passenger cars by model year '95 return to the floor mounted dimmer switch. A study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has found that an unacceptable percentage of after dusk collisions were the direct result of unskilled drivers getting their left foot stuck in the steering wheel :-) -- Ron Gaskins [email protected] Automotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 -- Ron Gaskins [email protected] Automotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904

From: [email protected] (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 40 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Joe Karolchik) writes: >(I deleted your name because I don't want to sound accusative in my remark) >> >> On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in >> a small motel >> for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were >> disturbing my >> car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and >> another tenant >> walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished. >> Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left. >> >> Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly! >> >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun. If I hear someone screwing with my car (ie, setting off the alarm) and taunting me to come out, you can be damn sure that my Colt Delta Elite will also be coming with me. It's not the screwing with the car that'd get them shot, it's the potential physical danger. If they're taunting like that, it's very possible that they also intend to rob me and/or do other physically harmful things. If they're just screwing around, no harm done. If they're bent on mayhem, they will receive the cure for their lead deficiency; a 180gr. injection @1200 fps...there's no telling what today's violent criminals will do. Death may be the most pleasant outcome... James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center [email protected] /\ [email protected] DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have." --Will Munny, "Unforgiven"

From: [email protected] (Space Gigolo) Subject: Laser Printer Forsale: Repost Article-I.D.: flop.1po9ovINNqe4 Distribution: usa Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: hobo.ece.orst.edu The following is posted for a friend. You can send replies to this email address or call him at 503-752-1499. (Glen) I have a CITIZEN OVERTURE 110 Laser printer for sale. It is in excellent condition. It has been used less than one year on this drum. I am asking $500, but all offers will be considered. Below are some specs on it. Toner lifespan: 2500 pages Drum lifespan: 15,000 pages Resolution: 300 DPI Memory: 512K Emulation: Epson FX286 IBM ProPrinter Diablo 635 Printing Capacity: Quad-density graphics Tray capacity: 250 sheets Reason for sale: Financial--I need to pay tuition. Thanks, -Glen Anderson [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Laurie Marshall) Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI U.S.A. Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: cms.cc.wayne.edu In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jason Cockroft) writes: >Suggestions: Clarke-Anderson-Gilmour vs. Sheppard-Yserbeart-?? > Andreychuck-Borchevsy-?? vs. Detroit checking line > Toronto's checking line vs. Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert (pray lots) > Well, I'm a Wings fan and I think the FIRST thing that you should do is to get the opponent's line combinations correct before you try to match up anyone with them. There is no Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert line, except for maybe on a powerplay. These three players usually play on three different lines. Which would mean that Toronto's checking line would have to pull a triple shift. The Wings' lines usually look like this: Gallant-Yzerman-Ciccarelli Kozlov-Fedorov-Drake Kennedy-Burr-Probert Ysebaert-Primeau-Sheppard Oh by the way: Start praying! : ) Laurie Marshall Wayne State University Detroit, Michigan Go Wings!!!!!

From: [email protected] (Mark Devaney) Subject: Sorry, another Gateway posting Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 42 I never thought I'd contribute to a Gateway thread, either pro or con, but my spleen could use a little venting. The scenario: 1 - Ordered a DX2/50 w/ Ultrastor 34F Local Bus HD controller 2 - Receive system 10 days after ordering (Happy) 3 - Discover Ultrastor 14F ISA HD Controller inside (unhappy) 4 - Call Gateway, receive the correct controller in 5 days (getting happier) 5 - New controller doesn't work (unhappy again) 6 - Call Gateway again, get another controller in 5 more days (cooling off, the end is in sight) 7 - This controller doesn't work either, motherboard is bad (VERY unhappy) Gateway's solution: They will order me a new motherboard (5 more days) and have on-site service install it for me. BUT, I have to take a day off of work because the service people only work 9-5 M-f. I say, no way I've already blown about 20 hours with this, about 10 of them on hold and I don't have the time or $$ to take a day off work. Also, my 30 day return period is almost over and I've only been able to use the thin for about 10 minutes. So, the whole thing is going back. I was extremely upset when I began this post because the support rep told me that I would have to pay shipping not only for the returned system, but also the two hard drive controllers they had sent me. Fortunately, I just spoke to customer service and they are going to have UPS come and pick everything up gratis. The only downside is that now I have to order another computer. I would really like to try Gateway again, I'm just very turned off by the prospect of having to try and get through to Customer Service or Tech Support again... I think their products are great for the most part, but I'm beginning to wonder if the savings are worth the potential aggravation. Are other mail order companies as difficult to contact? I know Gateway is booming, and for good reason, but I don't know if I can take it again. Oh well, I feel better now... -- -----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____----- | Mark Devaney - Hear me now and believe me later | | Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 | | Internet: [email protected] |

From: [email protected] (Patricia Keenan) Subject: Re: Quick easy question! Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology Lines: 16 [email protected] (Richard John Rauser) writes: > Here's an easy question for someone who knows nothing about baseball... > What city do the California Angels play out of? Anaheim. >-- >Richard J. Rauser "You have no idea what you're doing." >[email protected] "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional >WNI outlaws - we do this for a living." >----------------- >"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai

From: CCMB <[email protected]> Subject: What DMA's are my system using? Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Hello, I am having a small problem with my sound blaster pro and a game. Is there a utility out there that would tell me what DMA's my system is using? Thanks, Mark Brown

From: [email protected] (Charles Betz {x66442 CF/ENG}) Subject: NHL team in Milwaukee Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: radioman.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. After reading some of the reports of possible NHL moves to Milwaukee or that Milwaukee should have an NHL team, I thought I'd pass along a story I heard recently. This is second hand, so I don't know how true it is, but I have no reason to doubt it either. Bradley Center in Milwaukee is home to the Milwaukee Admirals minor leauge hockey team. The owner of the Admirals (sorry, I can't remember his name) either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the Bradley Center. Supposedly he was approached by the NHL about an expansion franchise, but turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of $50 million was too high. Like I said, I don't know whether this story is true or just a rumor, but if it's true, don't look for an NHL team in Milwaukee anytime soon. The Admirals aren't going to be forced out of the building and you won't see an NHL club and a minor league club in the same building, especially since the NBA's Milwaukee Bucks play there as well. Charlie Betz Cray Research, Inc. Chippewa Falls, WI [email protected]

From: [email protected] () Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.maths.unsw.edu.au Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW Lines: 101 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Sabri T Atan) writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mau >Napoleon) writes: >> From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected] (Sabri T >Atan): >> > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks >> > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to >> > believe for somebody trying to be objective. >> > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot >> > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. >> > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? >> > Do you think it was your right to be there? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I've heard many Turks say this and it surpises me that they don't read about it.Remember the Treaty of Sevres-as a consequence of being in the Axis powers in WWI.The Turks UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW were supposed to look after their minorities ie. Greeks,Armenians,Kurds(I must say Turk-Kurd relations are improving slightly with time) and not pose a threat to Turkey's neighbours. The Turks blatantly rejected this treaty(the Germans grudgingly accepted Versailles which was a million times worse for the health and pride of the German people).The Greeks who had an army there,were there with BRITISH and FRENCH backing to enforce Sevres. In possibly the first example of appeasement the Young Turk government managed screwed the Treaty of Laussane out of the weak allies,this was after the Greek forces were were destroyed at Smyrna.When this occurred incidently, FRENCH warships were in the harbour and many Greeks trying escape swam to the FRENCH warships and climbed aboard only to get their arms cut off by the FRENCH as they clawed they're way up the sides of the ships. Libertae,egalitae,fraternatae. >> >> There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923. >> Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? >> >> > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only >> > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. >> > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. >> > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the >> > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it >> > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. >> > >> Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in >> Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial >> waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of >> Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. >> >> There are some things on which there can not be a compromise. >> >> >> > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated >> > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person >> > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is >> > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals >> > why the hatred? >> >> Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or >> indirecly is a "bad" person. >> It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the >> actions of your goverment that make you "bad". >> People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you >> are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and >> as a such you must pay the price. >> >> > So that makes me think that there is some kind of >> > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person >> > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your >> > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish >> > encounters during your schooling. >> > take it easy! >> > >> > -- >> > Tankut Atan >> > [email protected] >> > >> > "Achtung, baby!" >> >> You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to >> Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under >> Turkish occupation. >> They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. >> >> You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from >> people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. >> >> Napoleon > > >Well, Napoleon. It is your kind of people who are preventing peace >on the world. First of all, you didn't answer the question I asked >at the end of my posting. And then you told me some bullshit >throughout your posting which had no positive point about the issue, >filled with hatred, and filled with emotions. Why am I doing this? >Forget it, I don't think you are worth it to discuss the issue. > > >-- >Tankut Atan >[email protected] > >"Achtung, baby!"

From: [email protected] (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: [email protected] (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 63 In a previous article, [email protected] () says: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mark Baker) writes: >> To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny >> God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very >> nature, prove anything. > >Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of >us that makes us ask the question "Does God exist?" i.e. self-awareness and >reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant >as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that? > I am asking you to believe in things not visible. I don't know if this is believeing blindly or not. I'm not sure how blindness comes into it. I do not deny reason, indeed I insist upon it, but reason only draws conclusions from evidence. If you decide in advance that your reason will act only on the evidence of the five physical senses, then you cut reason off from any possibility of reaching a conclusion outside the physical sphere (beyond the rather provocative, if inconclusive, conclusion that the physical sphere is not self explanatory). Christians claim that they have received a different kind of evidence, which they call faith, and which is a gift of God. That is, this evidence is the evidence of a thing which chooses to reveal or hide itself. The evidence of the senses cannot tell you is such a ting exists. Reasoning on the evidence of the senses won't help either. But Christians do reason of the evidence of faith, and do claim that this evidence is wholly consistent with the evidence of the other senses, and indeed, that the evidence of these other senses is part of God's revelation of himself to us. It is not necessarilly the case however that knowledge of a God must come through this route. There may be other senses than the physical ones providing evidence of non-physical realities. (There may, of course, be physical realities of a type for which we have no corresponding senses, for all we know.) These senses, if they exist, may provide valid evidence for reason to work on. And, as with all senses, these senses may be impaired in some people, that is, they may be spiritually blind. In this sense, belief in God becomes an act of sight, and it is disbelief which is blind. >You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if >we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since >we can only use faith, why is one picture of "God" (e.g. Hinduism) any less >valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? > Faith, as I have said, is not opposed to reason, it is simply a new source of evidence on which reason may operate. It is clear that human beings have many systems for explaining the evidence of the physical senses, and similarly there are many systems for explaining the evidence provided by faith. Religious believers in general, and Christians in particular, use reason to help sift through the evidence to come to a clearer understanding of the evidence provided by faith. Science claims, with good reason, to be the most valid system for explaining the physical universe, and Christianity claims, also with good reason, to be the most valid system, possessed of the best evidence, for explaining Gods revelations of himself to man. If you doubt that Christians use reason, read this newsgroup for a while and you will see rational debate aplenty. -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but [email protected] | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis ==============================================================================

From: [email protected] (Michael) Subject: FOR SALE: Drum Machine Originator: zmed16@zircon Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research Lines: 12 I have an Alesis HR-16 drum machine for sale. It includes velocity-sensitive pads, 49 digital sounds, 99 pattern memory and 49 song memory. If you are interested, make me an offer. Please respond to: [email protected] Thanks, Mike

From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Originator: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Distribution: na Lines: 8 [email protected] (Jeff W. Hyche) writes: >Yes, "Clipper" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used >in some of thier workstations. I wonder what Intergraph is going to >do to this infringement on thier name sake? Probably keep quiet and take it, lest they get their kneecaps busted. -- Good news. Ten weeks from Friday will be a good day.

From: [email protected] (Ben Chuang) Subject: TCP/IP routing LocalTalk-Ethernet. Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu Here is the story: I have a network with 4 Macs on Localtalk. One of them has an Ethernet Card, and is currently connected to a NeXT (don't laugh I got it for the price of a Mac IIsi). The NeXT is connected to the internet over SLIP running on a 9600 baud modem. Currently, we can telnet from the Mac w/ Ethernet to the NeXT, and then telnet out again to the rest of the world. What we want to know is if there is some sort of hardware that will route telnet sessions from the Localtalk Macs to the NeXT via the Ethernet Mac. From what we have heard, AIR doesn't do the trick. Software solutions would be good too, but my impression is that there aren't going to be any. Our immediate interest is to be able to get to the NeXT and telnet out again. The SLIP connection doesn't allow us to assign IP numbers to machines, so everyone shares that 1 number...oh well... thanks in advance. -- _______________________________________________________________ Benjamin S. Chuang/ITD-CSS Consultant/University of Michigan:A2 [email protected] (consulting & referals here) [email protected] (Unix and long messages here)

From: [email protected] (Pegasus) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: the Polyhedron Group Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-6.uoregon.edu In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Joshua Geller) wrote: > > I would really appreciate if when someone brought something like > this up they didn't back out when someone asked for details. > josh EXCUSE ME! I am -NOT TRYING TO BACK OUT- Josh, Maybe you should try to make an informed responce when your are trying to pack, and your references are PACKED! and someone responses like you did. (NO GRIN). Pegasus

From: [email protected] (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 78 <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:53:34 GMT In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Basil Hamdan) writes: [snip] In the first place the death of three soldiers on a patrol in occupied Lebanese terrritory is NOT an act of terrorism or murder. It is disingeneous to compare their death to that of athletes in Munich or any other act of terrorism or mrder. This exercise is aimed solely at diverting the issue and is far from the truth. I agree that the death of three soldiers on a patrol etc... is not terrorism. That having been said, lets continue. [snip] imagine ???? It is NOT a "terrorist camp" as you and the Israelis like to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... I would not argue that all or even most of the villages are "terrorist camps". There are however some which come very close to serving that purpose and that is not to say that other did not function in that way prior to the invasion. SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. Once they are back they announce that they bombed a "terrorist hideout" where an 8 year old girl just happened to be. Some of the villages, and yours might well be among them, are as you describe. Not all are. There are a large number of groups in the area, backed by various organizations, with a wide range of purposes. Hizbollah and Amal were two of the larger ones and may still be. As to retaliation, while mistakes may be made, that is still a far cry from indiscriminate bombing, which would have produced major casualties. Israel's retalliation policy is cold hearted, but a reality that we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw. Well, here we disagree. I think that Israel would willingly withdraw if the Lebanese gov't was able to field a reliable force in the area to police it and prevent further attacks. This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to realize that the concept of a "buffer zone" aimed at protecting its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel would have resulted in. Actually that is not clear at all. I will agree that the death toll is no longer civilian and now primarily military though. There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did in all other parts of Lebanon. No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another Lebanese morass. I could elaborate if necessary. I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say. No, but it is regretable, as is the whole situation. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA |

From: [email protected] (Mark James) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (Why VLB busmastering slows your system) Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Lines: 12 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Scott Mace) writes: > >Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to >a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system..... > >If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick >up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa >busmastering cards. Is VLB busmastering bad because it stops the processor fetching from external cache as well as main memory while the VLB card has the bus? How significant is the slowing effect?

From: [email protected] (Tsan Heui) Subject: IN CASE A DEAL IS A LEMON .... Nntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu Organization: Auburn University Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 22 Hi to all. Since all of you could also be a seller as well as a buyer, I'd like to bring this issue for discussion - what would be the best solution in case a deal became a lemon? As I understand most people selling things over the net do not grant a warranty,I am in such a situation that the seller did not state whether a warranty would be granted or not and the item I received is out of order. The seller insisted that it was 'in good condition' when he sent it and so would just return half ofthe amount that I paid if I send the item back to him and after he is sured it is bad. Is this reasonable? Basically I would like to believe the seller tells the truth. Also, I am positively to say that I've not done anything wrong which might cause the failure of the thing. My assumption here is everyone is honest - so rule out the possibility that either one of the two parties or both are liars. I would like to hear your opinion - either in here or directly respond to my e-mail address. I know there is such a risk that you could lose money. But, how can we make it enjoyable to most people and not wasting the bandwidth? chein

From: [email protected] (Adrian Nye) Subject: imake book review Organization: O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. Lines: 12 Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: [email protected] Thanks for the many offers to review this book. If you received a review copy, please return it as soon as possible. I had a system crash and lost the list of people I sent it to! Thanks Adrian Nye O'Reilly and Associates [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: Migraines and scans Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: [email protected] (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 37 DN> From: [email protected] (David Nye) DN> A neurology DN> consultation is cheaper than a scan. And also better, because a neurologist can make a differential diagnosis between migraine, tension-type headache, cluster, benign intracranial hypertension, chronic paroxysmal hemicrania, and other headache syndromes that all appear normal on a scan. A neurologist can also recommend a course of treatment that is appropriate to the diagnosis. DN> >>Also, since many people are convinced they have brain tumors or other DN> >>serious pathology, it may be cheaper to just get a CT scan then have DN> >>them come into the ER every few weeks. DN> And easier than taking the time to reassure the patient, right? DN> Personally, I don't think this can ever be justified. Sigh. It may never be justifiable, but I sometimes do it. Even after I try to show thoroughness with a detailed history, neurologic examination, and discussion with the patient about my diagnosis, salted with lots of reassurance, patients still ask "why can't you order a scan, so we can be absolutely sure?" Aunt Millie often gets into the conversation, as in "they ignored Aunt Millie's headaches for years", and then she died of a brain tumor, aneurysm, or whatever. If you can get away without ever ordering imaging for a patient with an obviously benign headache syndrome, I'd like to hear what your magic is. Every once in a while I am able to bypass imaging by getting an EEG. Mind you, I don't think EEG is terribly sensitive for brain tumor, but the patient feels like "something is being done" (as if the hours I spent talking with and examining the patient were "nothing"), the EEG has no ionizing radiation, it's *much* cheaper than CT or MRI, and the EEG brings in some money to my department. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: [email protected] (Jim Zisfein)

From: [email protected] Subject: Screen Death: Mac Plus/512 Lines: 22 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA I have a (very old) Mac 512k and a Mac Plus, both of which have the same problem. Their screens blank out, sometimes after a minor physical jolt (such as inserting a floppy in the internal drive), sometimes all by themselves (computer left to itself just goes blank). I have replaced the wires connecting the logic boards and the video board, because it seemed at first that jiggling the wires made the screen come back on. This worked for a while, but the blanking out has returned. Can I do anything? Do I need a new power supply? A new CRT? A new computer? Thanks for any advice... -------------------------- Ethan Bodin Tufts University [email protected] --------------------------

From: [email protected] (Will Estes) Subject: Mounting CPU Cooler in vertical case Organization: Mail Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 13 I just installed a DX2-66 CPU in a clone motherboard, and tried mounting a CPU cooler on the chip. After about 1/2 hour, the weight of the cooler was enough to dislodge the CPU from its mount. It ended up bending a few pins on the CPU, but luckily the power was not on yet. I ended up pressing the CPU deeply into its socket and then putting the CPU cooler back on. So far so good. Have others had this problem? How do you ensure that the weight of the CPU fan and heatsink do not eventually work the CPU out of its socket when mounting the motherboard in a vertical case? -- Will Estes Internet: [email protected]