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d30f72a | t1_d2znoeo | t3_4invin | nba | __BlackSheep | I am holding back from saying anything to jinx anything but I disagree with you | false | low | 42,981,468 |
d30f728 | t1_d3077wu | t3_4ipymh | nba | NYPD-BLUE | Food poisoning | false | medium | 42,981,469 |
d30f6yi | t3_4ir8or | t3_4ir8or | nba | DementedWatchmaker | nice list to be in | false | medium | 42,981,470 |
d30f6wv | t1_d30epq1 | t3_4ir8mv | nba | SlinkToTheDink | I think you'd be hard pressed to find a point on anything that's argued here. | false | low | 42,981,471 |
d30f6un | t3_4ir8mv | t3_4ir8mv | nba | untouchable765 | Westbrook got way to many votes compared to CP3 and KD. Its laughable how many he got over them. | false | low | 42,981,472 |
d30f6tq | t3_4irb07 | t3_4irb07 | nba | Ayuhno | LeBron is definitely the most valuable player to his team, but that is not how the award works. | false | medium | 42,981,473 |
d30f6qw | t1_d30di5a | t3_3v68ph | nba | gnalon | Yeah, I just explained why they wouldn't be regardless of the overall strategy. It's a higher mountain to climb from the bottom now. If the worst team in the league in the 70s-80s passes 20 teams, they're champions rather than the equivalent of this year's Mavericks or Hornets.
Michael Jordan was good enough to singlehandedly drag a bad team to about 40 wins his first few seasons. In a 30 team league that doesn't get Jordan the help he needs to lead a dynasty because it's the 16th-18th pick every year. Now imagine that happening in Minnesota or Sacramento where free agents don't want to sign and tell me how many other options there are to build a winning team.
| false | low | 42,981,474 |
d30f6q8 | t1_d30evha | t3_4ir81u | nba | dissentCS | Being the greatest shooter of all time definitely throws him into the top50 players of all time. Hell, one could even argue he's top 40 | false | medium | 42,981,475 |
d30f6gz | t1_d304bsl | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | derfleurerx | on 49% true shooting lol | false | low | 42,981,476 |
d30f6cg | t1_d3085ic | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | pqrk | It wasn't just that, it's that the cavs became so hysterically terrible as soon as he left. It reinforced the idea that he was the most important guy in the league. | false | low | 42,981,477 |
d30f6cd | t1_d302p4i | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | I1TheInternet | Meh didn't win the three point contest | false | low | 42,981,478 |
d30f69b | t1_d30ev9w | t3_4ir91h | nba | tkykid91 | We still got Game 6. I believe!! | false | low | 42,981,479 |
d30f687 | t1_d30ewyu | t3_4ir91h | nba | m1a2c2kali | yea i think theres a huge difference between the two. but i guess I'm biased because I've done the same. Hid pictures of brady getting injured that one year all around the house with roommates who were all pats fans. Didn't think it was in poor taste. But to each their own I guess. | false | low | 42,981,480 |
d30f67z | t1_d30f4jx | t3_4ir8mv | nba | Jakethejoker | When did I become a nazi? Where is my cool sash? | false | low | 42,981,481 |
d30f67o | t1_d30d5he | t3_4ir036 | nba | thesnacks | I mean, I definitely think having the right players surrounding Steph helps, but I really think the two keys for Steph becoming so lethal are three point attempts and improving his finishing ability.
His breakout year in 2012-2013 was also when his three point attempts skyrocketed (from ~4.5 to almost 8 per game). He took his greatest weapon and started maximizing its effectiveness. Note that it was Mark Jackson (or his coaching staff) who gave him the green light to shoot more threes, so that philosophy alone can't be attributed to the current system.
As for finishing at the rim, he really focused on it during the off-season before the 2013-2014 season. Over the last four seasons, his two point percentage has jumped each year: 44.9%, 50.9%, 52.8%, and 56.6%. This is something he focused on and improved upon before the current system was in place (although I think Kerr's system helps him get cleaner looks thanks to back cuts, etc.)
His three point shooting ability might as well be a super power. He does a lot of other things well and has improved in a lot of areas, but that is his most lethal weapon. I honestly think that is what has allowed him to make the jump to "superstar" status. He does so much of it on his own that I think he creates the system rather than the system giving him a boost.
I think Kerr's system utilizes Steph's superstardom and also maximizes the strengths of every other player. The abundance of good ball handlers and passers helps create a great offense. But, with Steph's shooting ability, sometimes the best offense is to just let him do his thing.
On defense, I would say the system benefits Steph more. The versatility of the roster allows for a lot of switching and suffocating defense. Steph plays good defense, but he doesn't have the physical tools to be a lock down player.
I'd say he is a superstar player with the ideal pieces surrounding him. Looking at his highlights from this year, there were so many crazy plays that were purely a result of him and his crazy abilities. I think the stuff I mentioned above highlight how he's become such a good player.
Hopefully this is the kind of answer you were looking for. Just as you might be labeled a "salty Cavs fan," hopefully I'm not looking like a huge homer. | false | medium | 42,981,482 |
d30f64g | t1_d2yrlr0 | t3_4igm7y | nba | nomemesplease | Yep - that was a big turning point for me. Before that I was kinda hating. "oh he had to join a superteam to win" but last year I think he really showed his greatness - whatever happened, whatever it took. The guy just found a way to win.
He also made/makes players on his team believe they are better than they are - something Lebron has over Kobe IMO. | false | low | 42,981,483 |
d30f64o | t1_d30f0vq | t3_4ir91h | nba | birlik54 | I'd imagine you wouldn't, but let's not get the outrage machine turning just because of a shirt.
Again it's not like he's hoping he gets hurt or is mocking some devastating injury. He missed like 5 games. | false | low | 42,981,484 |
d30f62s | t1_d30dqm3 | t3_4iqauk | nba | LaFlurry | "We would rather hope these 3 develop into 2 decent players and an all star than have a once in a generation player". Lol. I'm done, see you in the game thread tonight | false | medium | 42,981,485 |
d30f61f | t3_4irb46 | t3_4irb46 | nba | jaynay1 | Still a fake story. Not ABC's site. | false | low | 42,981,486 |
d30f5u1 | t1_d30daqt | t3_4ir036 | nba | gablekevin | This is 100% true. I know this isnt exactly what the award is based on but Lebron is the most valuable player on his team period. Golden State is a well oiled machine and would probably easily win 60 games without Steph. The Cavs are nothing (unfortunately) without Lebron. | false | low | 42,981,487 |
d30f5ow | t1_d30evk7 | t3_4iqrvb | nba | pingpong_playa | Casual nba fan here who has never seen that jersey. Wow, those are slick. The red accent off the black and gold works really well. | false | medium | 42,981,488 |
d30f5np | t1_d309a3l | t3_4iq2ui | nba | swollencornholio | I was pretty sure someone was going to do that this year. He'd get invited to day time talk shows, have his face on ESPN and podcasts for the next 2 weeks. | false | medium | 42,981,489 |
d30f5lh | t3_4ir835 | t3_4ir835 | nba | bubbabrowned | .... or how good this one player is. | false | low | 42,981,490 |
d30f5jv | t1_d30dtox | t3_4ipcu9 | nba | Libramarian | I've also seen him give Steph a quick handy on the bench. He usually does that in the fourth if they're up big and he takes him out of the game | false | low | 42,981,491 |
d30f5jc | t1_d30em18 | t3_4ir8or | nba | sinisterbathala | Race between MJ, MJ and Chuck in the late 90s was so tight. 1993 I think Chuck deserved that, Suns had the best record overall while he was putting up 25-12-5. But yeah I think Jordan deserved 1997. | false | medium | 42,981,492 |
d30f5fi | t1_d30f065 | t3_4ir8mv | nba | Jakethejoker | Shit how'd you know | false | low | 42,981,493 |
d30f5dl | t1_d30euxd | t3_4ir8or | nba | nochill95 | Nope,Rose deserved that Mvp
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2tz1em/unpopular_opinion_thread/co3oayd | false | low | 42,981,494 |
d30f5d1 | t3_4ir835 | t3_4ir835 | nba | untouchable765 | NBA has to have the saltiest retired players out of any other sport. | false | low | 42,981,495 |
d30f5at | t1_d30f0tb | t3_4ir7vh | nba | FormerShitPoster | I mentioned he's bigger that way but I think it has a lot to do with a lot of corners and safeties are under 6 feet tall. It's just crazy that the biggest receivers would be relatively short in the NBA, Calvin Johnson would be a guard for example. | false | low | 42,981,496 |
d30f5a9 | t1_d30cx2f | t3_4ir036 | nba | materics | Backhand compliment like all the stupid criticism throughout Curry's fantastic run. Curry was great last year. Curry was better this year. | false | medium | 42,981,497 |
d30f55d | t1_d2zstqi | t3_4iomvz | nba | MacDerfus | Unless "washed up" is a synonym for "forty" | false | medium | 42,981,498 |
d30f54h | t3_4irb07 | t3_4irb07 | nba | dbthelinguaphile | Did Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving die? | false | medium | 42,981,499 |
d30f52v | t3_4irb07 | t3_4irb07 | nba | themariokarters | I agree, but that's not how this works | false | low | 42,981,500 |
d30f50e | t3_4irb07 | t3_4irb07 | nba | resjudicata2 | Lebron James is reeeeally not the MVP
~A Lebron fan | false | low | 42,981,501 |
d30f4zi | t1_d303gej | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | Aceinator | How many games did the warriors win without Steph curry? How many did the Cavs win without LeBron? Unanimous vote is bs | false | low | 42,981,502 |
d30f4tm | t1_d30eo2e | t3_4iqpep | nba | lcsulla87gmail | I don't think it makes sense that he would be this superior to his peers merely from preparation. He isn't the only player to have former player parents or to grow up with access to great training from day 1. And of course all the guys at this level work hard. Realistically the hardest working guy in the league is probably riding the bench trying to stay on the team. So it makes more sense that he has a higher physical ceiling | false | low | 42,981,503 |
d30f4ps | t1_d30619p | t3_4iqb3c | nba | shay626 | Getting the gang back together! | false | low | 42,981,504 |
d30f4jx | t1_d30f065 | t3_4ir8mv | nba | TimDuncanTheAlmighty | He is a Nazi so it makes sense | false | low | 42,981,505 |
d30f4ie | t1_d30cf8b | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | Height- | I think if you watch both sports extensively this wouldn't really be an argument | false | low | 42,981,506 |
d30f4ia | t1_d306hkv | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | derfleurerx | No, he came to Reddit to argue about 14 year olds on Twitter against 15 year olds who post on Reddit | false | low | 42,981,507 |
d30f4a0 | t1_d30ezqd | t3_4ir8mv | nba | TimDuncanTheAlmighty | 8th seed =/= MVP | false | low | 42,981,508 |
d30f42o | t1_d30ezrc | t3_4ir8mv | nba | 9to5reddit | unless you're not first or second | false | low | 42,981,509 |
d30f42a | t1_d30brp6 | t3_4iqauk | nba | ahnonamis | Plus Portland grabbed Oden over him. I can't imagine even if Portland were a destination town, that he'd want to go to the team who didn't want him. | false | low | 42,981,510 |
d30f41n | t1_d30bztk | t3_4iqb3c | nba | __BlackSheep | Why would a warriors fan ever dislike Lacob. He can do quite a bit before I disagree with him | false | low | 42,981,511 |
d30f3z9 | t3_4in5zb | t3_4in5zb | nba | TreChomes | Lucky James Johnson wasn't in | false | low | 42,981,512 |
d30f3sw | t1_d30esr8 | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | pqrk | Yep. God dressed as Michael Jordan. | false | low | 42,981,513 |
d30f3pk | t1_d30essp | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | YouSaidDumbShit | As far as Steph last year, I can see where you're coming from. That's why I was ready to concede last year over D Rose in my initial comment. I think it was a combination of him becoming the best shooter in the league/ever and how much he had done to restore a perpetually losing franchise, but you're right, both of those are narrative-driven. But your reasons for Lebron winning last year are also about narrative. I do agree that the Cavs without Lebron were much worse than the Dubs without Steph though.
I was also asking about the D Rose season, if you've got time to explain that part.
As far as this year- I don't think there's any argument that Steph should get it. Are the Dubs the best team in the league even when everyone has their best player cut? Probably, if not the Spurs. But he was the scoring leader, the steals leaders, made his own previous shooting records look laughably obsolete, and led his team to the best season ever with smart basketball and good team play. If that's not an MVP, whether he's further from averaging a triple double than Lebron is or not, I clearly don't understand what "value" means. | false | low | 42,981,514 |
d30f3on | t1_d30cggj | t3_4iq2ui | nba | eldencampbell | I'm still salty about Rose getting MVP over Lebron. Fuck that. | false | medium | 42,981,515 |
d30f3nx | t3_4ipwo0 | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | UrbanBourbon_ | Can't wait to go through post history when I get home. Start your back peddling r/NBA | false | low | 42,981,516 |
d30f3jv | t1_d30eu1t | t3_4ir8or | nba | nochill95 | You were 10 in 2011 so stfu | false | low | 42,981,517 |
d30f3k9 | t1_d303bfy | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | I1TheInternet | Djokovic does similar things in tennis. He makes solid plays but looks very effortless doing it, especially with his magical drop shot. | false | low | 42,981,518 |
d30f3e0 | t1_d308rfk | t3_4ipymh | nba | FireLordEustace | Steph Curry set the record for points(17) in an overtime period during the playoffs last night. | false | medium | 42,981,519 |
d30f3ck | t3_4ir91h | t3_4ir91h | nba | CaptainCreepy | Thats fucking gross | false | low | 42,981,520 |
d30f39s | t1_d30eo58 | t3_4ir8mv | nba | Last_Christmas | That's an overreaction...there's no difference between Harden getting votes this year and Westbrook coming in 4th in MVP voting last year (with 33 3rd place votes, 5 2nd place votes) even though OKC didn't make the playoffs.
The Harden hate is ridiculous | false | low | 42,981,521 |
d30f3a0 | t1_d30evha | t3_4ir81u | nba | untouchable765 | Do you know what sarcasm is? | false | medium | 42,981,522 |
d30f38o | t1_d30ezjv | t3_4ir8or | nba | ballislife2001 | Harden got the Rockets a 2 seed. With tons of injuries. That's all I need to say. | false | low | 42,981,523 |
d30f388 | t1_d2zzyvo | t3_4ip8cc | nba | I_rarely_post_here | he wants us to only call iso when the guy brings it up and gets the team to clear out his strong side i guess. I think that while the raptors run a pick heavy system, it's still fundamentally "iso" in the sense that the guy getting the screen is probably going to throw up a brick anyway. It's not like they're using the screens to have motion in the offense. But people gotta be pedantic... | false | low | 42,981,524 |
d30f37f | t3_4ir835 | t3_4ir835 | nba | TimDuncanTheAlmighty | When T-Mac was in the league didn't Shaq win a "unanimous" MVP that was spoiled by one retard voting for someone else?
| false | medium | 42,981,525 |
d30f32o | t1_d3030y7 | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | derfleurerx | Why? Why's everyone so obsessed around here with 2-way impact? What matters is your OVERALL impact, and he's OVERALL the most lethal offensive force this game has ever seen. | false | low | 42,981,526 |
d30f322 | t1_d30aee6 | t3_4ipyre | nba | joegrizzyII | I've been surprised-served chili cheesburgers open faced.
I was indeed happy. | false | low | 42,981,527 |
d30f2vy | t1_d2zzhtb | t3_4iplic | nba | Swift_taco_mechanic | Its like if someone from 2026 tells me that the bucks had the greatest season ever. | false | medium | 42,981,528 |
d30f2vw | t3_4in2wk | t3_4in2wk | nba | Gettingbuckets | Myles turner | false | low | 42,981,529 |
d30f2vo | t1_d30esna | t3_4ir036 | nba | Yelloboy | It's easier to play those elite teams better when you don't have to worry at all about most of the league. The argument is sound. | false | low | 42,981,530 |
d30f2v7 | t1_d30ec6w | t3_4ir7vh | nba | go_hard_today | momma blessed him well. hottest mom in the league. | false | medium | 42,981,531 |
d30f2s4 | t1_d30dxoh | t3_4ir036 | nba | TrustMeImnothere | I mean the Raptors won 56 with that team, I could see the Warriors winning 50+ without Curry. Remember, minus Curry doesn't just mean Livingstone takes his place, it also means players have bigger roles, etc. | false | medium | 42,981,532 |
d30f2qi | t3_4ir85j | t3_4ir85j | nba | TheGursh | No he purposefully kicks the ball to get a whistle because the ref didn't call the obvious foul. | false | low | 42,981,533 |
d30f2j4 | t3_4ir1c4 | t3_4ir1c4 | nba | sdotcarter | Thunder win in OT, Durant goes off again | false | low | 42,981,534 |
d30f2gx | t3_4ipwo0 | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | DirkSmile | Sorry salty lebron fans in this thread, curry right now is better than lebron ever was
and not because the unanimous votes, just because every objective metric proves it | false | medium | 42,981,535 |
d30f2ex | t3_4ir81u | t3_4ir81u | nba | untouchable765 | Curry is the best in the league though. He also is the most valuable driving a team to 73-9. So stop now. | false | low | 42,981,536 |
d30f2ew | t1_d30cmn9 | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | d4vezac | Moses Malone. Kareem. | false | low | 42,981,537 |
d30f2cp | t1_d305y1p | t3_4ipyre | nba | Davidfreeze | If a calzone is a sandwich then a pizza is an open faced sandwich. | false | medium | 42,981,538 |
d30f2ch | t1_d2zgial | t3_4in8ae | nba | superRedditer | I've played an watched a ton of basketball. I have never seen it happen. I've seen (like 4 times from the other user) where the ball gets wedged in the corner of the rim and backboard. But I've never seen it just rest on top like that. | false | low | 42,981,539 |
d30f2bc | t3_4ir5xf | t3_4ir5xf | nba | dopefreshtight | He's definitely two years away from being two years away. | false | low | 42,981,540 |
d30f28y | t1_d304f18 | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | Victor1CC1 | "I thought you were gonna do that so I just voted for you. I voted for everyone else too, don't worry." | false | low | 42,981,541 |
d30f28g | t1_d30cwlf | t3_4ipxed | nba | YellowBaboon | I guess we'll agree to disagree but out of curiosity what makes you think players voting is better? | false | low | 42,981,542 |
d30f23j | t1_d306x5e | t3_4ipwo0 | nba | derfleurerx | lol no | false | low | 42,981,543 |
d30f221 | t1_d30ejxe | t3_4ir8or | nba | Nifera_ | I thought last year was really close and I had Harden a smidge above Steph. Both were really deserving though, and I don't think Harden got robbed by any means. | false | medium | 42,981,544 |
d30f1vn | t1_d30aoyf | t3_4ipyre | nba | TenNes | Yeah, bread has no corn! Stupid idiots who think Corn Bread is bread, how dumb of them. /s | false | low | 42,981,545 |
d30f1va | t1_d3022qx | t3_4ip9j3 | nba | KeonClarksUnderbite | Is this something you're proud of, or..? | false | low | 42,981,546 |
d30f1rq | t1_d30daqt | t3_4ir036 | nba | materics | Yes, but it isn't Curry's fault. | false | medium | 42,981,547 |
d30f1m6 | t1_d30cmnv | t3_4iq2ui | nba | Usernametaken112 | Shut up dude. Now /r/NBA can gush over Curry and about how he's "totally GOAT" . No one wants to hear that BronBron and Shaq for all intents and purposes already won that "honor".
Chalk it up to however many random sports writers doing the voting.
Also, sports writers are idiots. | false | low | 42,981,548 |
d30f1l7 | t1_d30eqro | t3_4ir91h | nba | YaBoiBeefCat | Don't let your memes be dreams | false | low | 42,981,549 |
d30f1jo | t1_d302o0x | t3_4ipyre | nba | AlGreensFalsetto | Is a burrito a wrap? | false | low | 42,981,550 |
d30f1i9 | t1_d30dz82 | t3_4ir5xf | nba | Pegasus_Seiya | 2 more years then | false | low | 42,981,551 |
d30f1h4 | t3_4ir1c4 | t3_4ir1c4 | nba | badsnake | It's gonna be a great game but I am scared about Kawhi's knee. | false | low | 42,981,552 |
d30f19x | t1_d3035w3 | t3_4ipxed | nba | smaug400 | Yeah, its kind of weird how literally people take things. What makes more sense, that they created the most prestigious individual award of the year for a) the best player of the year, or b) the player that created the most marginal value for his team that year? "Best Player Award" sounds lame, and "MVP" is already used in a bunch of other sports. | false | low | 42,981,553 |
d30f13p | t3_4ir81u | t3_4ir81u | nba | rompskee | Can't we all just be happy that Steph Curry really really really good at basketball? | false | low | 42,981,554 |
d30f0vq | t1_d30ewyu | t3_4ir91h | nba | roy_ayers | I think it's pretty fucked to put a player's injury on a tshirt. I don't see the humor in it. | false | low | 42,981,555 |
d30f0tb | t1_d30eya1 | t3_4ir7vh | nba | ballislife2001 | Jones looks much bigger than Curry because he weighs like 225 to Currys 180
I don't get it. Literally everything I say about Curry, even cold hard facts gets downvotes. Are y'all that salty? | false | low | 42,981,556 |
d30f0kn | t1_d30ehwn | t3_4ir7vh | nba | swollencornholio | All of the greats have a bit of cocky in them:
Babe Ruth - [1932 calling the home run](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkEX0eb2eBo)
Jordan - [Closed eye free throw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om56qV5tZHY), could really go on for days on this one.
Lebron - ["I'm the best player in the world"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTCOQ-qQIPw)
Duncan - [Predicting they'll beat the Heat in 2014](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64iNduvFZn8&feature=youtu.be)
| false | high | 42,981,557 |
d30f0hv | t1_d30dpaq | t3_4iqplm | nba | b_l_i_s_s | Nah bro... Jokic | false | low | 42,981,558 |
d30f0hl | t1_d30euzt | t3_4ir8or | nba | KalEl1232 | The MVP award encompasses the regular season only, but I see your point. | false | medium | 42,981,559 |
d30f0ev | t3_4ipz10 | t3_4ipz10 | nba | MacDerfus | Demar Derozan Demissed Deshots | false | low | 42,981,560 |
d30f0c6 | t1_d30eisf | t3_4iq6ip | nba | Elvis_Depressely | They didn't make the playoffs with Wade and Bosh. The year LeBron left. Although I can't remember if injuries were involved. | false | low | 42,981,561 |
d30f09e | t1_d30es34 | t3_4ipyre | nba | humanhighlightreel | no. a hard taco is not a wrap or a sandwich.
a soft taco is a wrap though - a wrap doesn't have to be closed. lots of asian restaurants serve peking duck wraps which don't close. some greek wraps don't fully close either. | false | low | 42,981,562 |
d30f07x | t1_d30exmd | t3_4ira6b | nba | jmh0697 | it's not it is just biased. | false | low | 42,981,563 |
d30f065 | t1_d30eo58 | t3_4ir8mv | nba | Andrew_Stepback | it was probably /u/jakethejoker | false | low | 42,981,564 |
d30f046 | t3_4ir7vh | t3_4ir7vh | nba | a-dead-guy-irl | most nba players are cocky | false | low | 42,981,565 |
d30f03p | t1_d30bsgc | t3_4ipxed | nba | qa2 | Change your flair is the only way to fix that. It's sad but true. People hate seeing fans of good teams talk how good their teams/players are. Internet points are ridiculous anyways. Never delete those comments, wear them with pride | false | medium | 42,981,566 |
d30f03r | t1_d30epvn | t3_4ipyre | nba | Zetch88 | This is an American thing. I've asked this of 50+ of my friends and family and literally none of them has ever heard of anyone wiping standing up. | false | medium | 42,981,567 |