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KushedCudi

The point is that LeBron, KD, Kawhai, Westbrook could have all generated at least one vote for MVP The fact LeBron never won an MVP unanimously but Curry did is an absolute joke in my opinion

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Martavis

So is Curry's 2016.

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LandanRoss98

Jesus Christ this needs to stop, now. lebron on the 76ers is not a ECF team. I don't care what the fuck you think of him, putting prime shaq or Jordan on the 76ers isn't an ECF team. if lebron were on the 6ers, and you people thought logically instead of throwing out shitty ESPN narratives, they'd likely be a 9-10 seed. basketball is a team sport guys.

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Considering his name is gonna be plastered on the record books for decades and will likely be the only unanimous MVP for even longer. Yes, I do think he would still be considered a legend.

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I really doubt it. He had one great year, one good year, and the absolute best case scenario for him going forward is 7-8 healthy but mediocre seasons. That might have been enough in the '50s, but I don't think that will cut it

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the_joe_flow

I feel like he was being sarcastic. Kinda insinuating that its Rose's fault that he got MVP so he was punished by the universe. or maybe he is just a douche who knows

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Rose worst MVP of all time?

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DueRunRun

Pop quiz, where's the ball? http://imgur.com/t5Js2Uu

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what a Phil Jackson place to be

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lcsulla87gmail

Yoy think if lebron just practiced shooting more he could have been steph curry?

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Karl Malone played great in '97, just look at the numbers. And that team went to the finals as well, so it is not like he was getting numbers on a bad team.

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>Michael has 6 rings, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 6 rings, 6 finals MVPs, but the MVPs in the middle were just MVPs in general? Not really how English works but that's fine once you explain it

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_Quetzalcoatlus_

I have seen a couple comments lately about how great the late 90s and early 2000s were, and it's reall confusing. You are absolutely right, that is definitely one of the weakest eras. It was post-Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc. and there was more inefficient, iso-heavy, "streetball" type players due to Jordan copy-cats, the actual rise in interest in streetball, a team empasis on flashy talent instead of skill, and more unskilled high school players joining the league. (Obviously not every player was like this, but it was more prevalent)

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macthedaddy

just out of curiosity how long have you been following the raptors? edit: enough of the garbage responses. i'm curious to see when he started because this IS raptors basketball. demar has been in the league since 2009. if you've even briefly followed a raptors game since then you should know that demar has been a low percentage, high volume shot taker. if you followed the raptors before that, you should know the Raptors Basketball is a euphemism for having your heart ripped out of your chest and swallowed whole. curious to see where jamogen fits into that timeline, and whether or not he's a new fan who's given up, or a longtime fan who's finally decided enough is enough.

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LimitedAspirations

*shaunuvabitch

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DaBear405

If it goes to 7 games the Spurs are winning in San Antonio.

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asok_jameson

Hope this can now end the 'who got the best handle' argument. And yes, kyrie is only in second place.

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bilalhouri

Tip: Watch it a second time and only focus on the defenders instead of Curry, it's even more exciting.

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ratmeleon

Is the team profitable? Maybe that's his number 1 driving factor - as long as the team does okay, and isn't losing money, he's being successful at his job. Maybe winning is under profitability.

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Slickrickkk

In one of the MJ biographies it says MJ felt really bad so he laid down in a pitch black room and forced down a pizza. The pizza apparently had nothing to do with his health though.

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levelheaded-ish

I'm not sure what your saying here. Majority of Cavs 3s vs the Hawks resulted from good passing and ball movement. There wasn't really a lot of chucking going on (walk up the court then shoot). If that's the trend then I'm ok with it. And I'm sure defenses will find a way to cope with the changes somehow.

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Stockton_Bomb

Well that's dumb, lol

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Goonsquad18

Bruh. 2000 Shaq's season was on par with MJ/Lebron

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I'm sorry but you can't relegate prime Tyson Chandler to "solid defensively". Do I need to refresh your memory on what happened the season prior with the Mavericks?

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IamSkywalking

This conversation would be a lot better if we had numbers to compare the scenarios. Do you happen to know what the average playoff game makes the league? Do you happen to know what the difference between say, a finals game with 10 million viewers makes the league vs a finals game with 20 million viewers? I definitely have no idea. If those numbers were available it would help in the analysis. Maybe it is the case that the money on the table for 18 additional games is waaaaay more than a highly rated finals series. And now that I think about it, my example was kind of silly. Obviously Cavs/Warriors would be off the charts and sweeping through to the finals isn't likely to add much more to the ratings than if they had a couple of 7 game series there. A better point to make would be the potential risk of one of the favoured teams losing in a 7th game - injury, someone gets hot at the right time - and ruining the highly rated finals that they want. Imagine a Hornets/Trailblazers finals series. The ratings on that one would surely be trash compared to Cavs/Warriors.

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GregSays

Mid-season I made a random comment that Kawhi is a top 4 player in the league and I got double digit downvotes and tons of orange envelopes. Now he's number 2 in MVP votes.

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waswereual

It's not iso's. A contested long 2 is not an iso

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jasg93

Jesus, yes. There's a reason we call him our bulldog. Regular season Lowry is hardnosed, and fights and fights and fights and doesn't give up. But it's honestly almost terrifying seeing him so weak out there. His entire self-worth has been brought into question, with millions of eyes on him...that can't be good for him mentally.

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Durant will drop 40, but the Spurs win in a nailbiter

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Let_The_Led_Out

I'm not knocking Shaq, but you can't choose Shaq over Curry when Curry's career is just now blossoming. Curry is the most dominant PG (player?) in the league right now and if he continues to shoot the ball like this and lead his team to chips he is going to go down as one of the greatest PGs of all time, if not the greatest.

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BrianDawkins

Not really. Westbrook played better in the regular season

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elneuvabtg

No we want him gone. Atlanta is 1 star away from making a real run. Dropping Al and spending whatever it takes is the only way this current team gets a championship. We simply will never beat Lebron James with Al Horford and his contract -- ever.

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socoamaretto

Westbrook had the best season of his career but it still wasn't better than Durant's season.

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ChemLok

Or rather fat in the middle? 4 great teams, 3 awful teams and everyone else?

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Nicheslovespecies

You're right; I misinterpreted the comment I was responding to

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bobsil1

He's getting ready to use the Force

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materics

Haters are more vocal

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Nietzsche_Darko

Yeah I'm with you that was easily one of the greatest moments in basketball history. This was cool but I wouldn't be surprised if Curry or Bron top it later in the postseason.

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djpain20

IMO lack of very good teams (50-55 wins), who when motivated at home are super hard to beat, and a galore of decent teams (40-50 wins), who usually can be simply outclassed, is the reason why Spurs and Warriors won a combined 140 games this season. In particular, the 15-16 Spurs in theory are the best they have ever been but honestly this team hardly feels better than mid 00's Spurs for me.

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chickamuka

Devin Booker

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PotassiumAlum

I hated Peyton Manning, love never grew for the Colts.

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Throwaway37276716

I mean no doubt lebron is the better player. I just think that as rookies, Carmelo averaged more points and rebounds in about 3 less minutes per game which IMO made him worthy of the MVP award, regardless of what teams they were on.

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i mean there's a huge middle ground. is it that hard to concede that they were a horrible organization and are slowly attempting to turn things around?

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utu_

truly the GOAT

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Yes he is the goat I follow him on Instagram and like this photos as if I am a dear friend of his

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The_Great_Saiyaman21

The salt tho.

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mohajaf

Screw the refs for delaying the game so much that my DVR recording time of 3hrs expired before the start of OT. I haven't seen the OT as a result and I am mad as hell about it.

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He's going to have the second championship this year, which ties Lebron. Bron is thought of as a top 2 player all-time with 2 rings, don't see why Curry can't be top 10 with 2 rings and having the best offensive season of all time

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4for5

I was always motivated by that fact

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DreamCatcher24

LBJ still makes his team vastly better than Melo. LBJ can turn a good team into a historically great team.

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It was a pun about bad basketball. You thoroughly roasted Detroit.

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mr_chub

Its crazy since it appears you can't even read. When did I say 6 MVPs? I didn't even Google like you did, i just knew for a fact he had 6 rings, a slew of mvps, and so on, and *even then* I preceded all that by saying James (in that hypothetical situation the OP brought up) would make "the most solid comparison". But you just saw the name Michael Jordan, had a hot flash, and started typing nonsense. You even said yourself you consider Jordan the best because of a "great mix" which is literally what I was doing, naming a great "mix" of accolades. Log off.

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curry also plays off ball better than lebron

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Diminitiv

Did you also miss his defence in the fourth and clutch steals? He fouled out sure, but other then that he had a decent game. His shots didn't fall but they didn't need to with the way the game was going. Our bench was scoring more than enough. This loss was on Derozan choking in the clutch and Casey being unable to draw up a play for the final shot for the second time this series. Why would I only be defending Lowry if I was a pure Raptors homer? We played ugly today but this loss was not on Lowry.

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MrTerrificPants

Shouldn't Joerger be the one to make a decision on his own assistants?

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Honestly...I think people overlook just how good the Warriors are even without Steph. He absolutely takes them from very very very good to ALL TIME GREAT, but again, without him they'd still win 55-60 games with that team. I know it's not popular to say anything other than circle-jerk type adjectives to describe Steph...And my Cavs flair will get me cast as just a "salty Cavs fan" but I really think people aren't giving the team & system implemented by Kerr enough credit in the monster that has been created called Steph. How many people go from all star/good player for 5 years to GOD in years 6 & 7? Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, LeBron, Wade, etc were all superstars from the jump. They didn't go 5 years being just an all star type player to all of a sudden the best offensive player in the game. Further more, he's only jumped 2% up from his rookie year on 3's (granted the volume has gone way up so it's more impressive than 2% would suggest) and his FG% was already at 46% as a rookie as opposed to the 50% it bumped up to this year. I really think that part of the reason for the massive leap in his career for the last two years is mostly due to his improvement, but with a huge assist from the coaching and team around him. I am all ears, so if someone else can explain how he's gone from good player to GOD in two years, please go ahead.

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bumbumbumbam

He's not comparing the 2 to say who had the better year. He's saying that Shaq was so close to being unanimous so claiming that it is watered down is silly.

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humanhighlightreel

I don't say "let's go out for sandwiches!" ever. I say let's go out for subs, or lets go grab a burger, or let's go get a smoked meat sandwich, or BTL or ruben sandwich. Or maybe let's go get a deli sandwich, which is the most traditional, sure. But all of those are types of sandwich - some of them include the word "sandwich", some of them don't. Saying "let's go out for sandwiches" is so vague it would never be used. And a Philly Cheesesteak is *definitely* a sandwich. >A cheesesteak, also known as a Philadelphia cheesesteak, Philly cheesesteak, cheesesteak sandwich, cheese steak, or steak and cheese, is a sandwich made from thinly sliced pieces of steak and melted cheese in a long hoagie roll.[1][2] - wiki >It's hard to think of Philadelphia without thinking of the cheesesteak, a sandwich containing chopped steak, melted cheese and sometimes peppers and onions. - bobby flay recipe >Meaty, gooey, and delightfully messy, our lightened version of Philly Cheesesteak is the type of sandwich you'll crave all year. - some other recipe those are the first three things you get when you google it and they all *specifically* mention that it is a type of sandwich

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KlikKlikBoom

Or maybe just maybe, Stephen Curry is just too good?

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Plumlee has a lot of similarities to Bogut. Great passers. Not post-up threats. Run the floor well (Well, Bogut did when he was young). The Aussie is a far far better defender though and he has those veteran wiles (ie he's a cheating bastard and I love him for it).

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djammz

Lord knows. We have gone through THREE sets of assistants now since Casey has been here :/

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Martavis

Are you sure though? Shaq never put up 30 a game even when he played 40 mpg that year. Steph is a more prolific and efficient scorer, and facilitates in a way Shaq never did.

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the league is thin in the middle.

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aepstein66

Poetry in motion

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ofyn

and still nobody would wager them to be a contender next season...they certainly deserve it but it also took a big implosion from Chelsea and underperforming Man City. It's vastly easier to score points in basketball than to score a goal in football in a way that is disproportionate to the talent on the field

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RoKTXn

Why did I read this whole thread?

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rjvir

True. My bad, the Kings are well run.

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jefecaminador1

Next labor stoppage they should do an auction redraft.

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socoamaretto

Durant put up better numbers, and is the better player.

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Cistoran

Curry hate train came through.

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Lol I'm just fucking around

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Soccerskillz13

If you put either of the two on the sixers who do you think would benefit the team the most?

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ThaNorth

Kobe's footwork was so much better.

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There's no need to explain. They both were impressive but LeBron's was more important. The thing that I say is that the Warriors can beat damn near anyone without Steph...LeBron second best player was Eric Snow and LeBron did what he did. The odd thing is that EVERYONE on the Pistons knew he was getting the ball and they still didn't stop it. The Warriors are the favorites to win the series so Steph's individual performance was amazing but if they lost it would not have mattered because they still would have won the series.

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Johnie4usc

That's fair^^^^^^y

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PapaPapadopoulos

I mean, that's pretty ignorant. It was still a playoff team, and they were beating the piss put of them. They also beat the hell out of the Blazers the first game and put up 34 in the 4th quarter of game 2 while holding them to 12. All without the MVP. Even last night, Steph was 10 for 25 and 0 for 9 before his sick overtime performance. They were tied with a player dominating the shots and playing like ass. In an away playoff game. Edit: Steph goes to Stephanie on my phone.

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doublex94

It's funny, when he said he hadn't reached his curling yet, who could've known how right he was?

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CurseOfTheRedRiver

Exactly. That is collusion and it will be exposed in due time: when Lebron literally stomps on the Weakling Warriors.

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NicDwolfwood

I disagree completely. and Its a huge disrespect to the rest of the great players in the league..People need to cut the bullshit. Steph had a historic season, End of Discussion

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ChemLok

And I'm drawing the comparison if one truly believes that, then the fact that the Spurs and Warriors approaching the overall wins record should similarly reflect that the west is weak.

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Or, what if I take a hot dog bun and fill it with turkey, lettuce, tomato, onion, and mayo and don't cut it in half -- is that a sandwich? Does the answer change if I DO cut it in half?

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They were so fun to watch, but the Warriors only had 1 playoff appearance from '92 to when Jordan retired, which was the time I started elementary school. And they got swept by Phoenix in that lone playoff

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Goonsquad18

Are you talking about 2000 Shaq? 2000 Shaq >>>> Curry

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DueRunRun

> It's not official but that's been the rumor for years. Oh... a rumor. >He makes millions broadcasting the game he loves. I'm sure for him it's better than not being apart of the game. He made millions before his broadcasting career. Are you saying that he has inside information regarding fixed games in the NBA and hasn't once let it slip on live TV? This is Jeff Van Gundy we're talking about. There was a term for foot in mouth comments on live TV, they became known as... "a Gundy".

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black19

I've seen doughnuts used as buns so...sure, I can see the confusion.

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gtzm0stwanted

Steph curry deserves it. T Mac is hating heavy

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Martavis

Meant to say Jordan/Lebron

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O-N-N-I-T

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basically, if you are a SG not named MJ, don't even try

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waswereual

I'd give a slight advantage to the raps because of home court maybe like 52-53/47-48

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puroloco

I actually said nothing about whether or not it should be penalized (it should). I am just saying that Dragic wasn't just actively trying to punch Cojo. It was retaliation and frustration. They should both have gotten a foul.

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iamtheraptor

Maybe their parents threatened to boycott the shoes. Or Nike realized they would get more kids who weren't skipping school to come if they did weekends. I'm sure it helped their bottom line in the end.

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AwsomeOne7

KD THOUGH... yeah your right :(

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Ocarina_Autem_Tempus

but but but! they set a record for wins! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEUvKOanhUg anybody else remember the refs calling a foul on the last shot for iggy when they played the thunder? can somebody please link me to like, idk, 3 other instances of a shooting foul being called with under .5 seconds to go? Edit: NBA builds brands to make money. Don't get suckered in.

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bumbumbumbam

Garnett was really close in 04 too. Only missed it by 3 votes.

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