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1ham	easy_ham	"Hi,\n\nThank you for the useful replies, I have found some interesting \ntutorials in the ibm developer connection.\n\nhttps://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/j-sec1\n\nand\n\nhttps://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/j-sec2\n\nRegistration is needed.\n\nI will post the same message on the Web Application Security list, as \nsuggested by someone.\n\nFor now, I thing I will use md5 for password checking (I will use the \napproach described in secure programmin fo linux and unix how-to).\n\nI will separate the authentication module, so I can change its \nimplementation at anytime.\n\nThank you again!\n\nMario Torre\n-- \nPlease avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.\nSee http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html \n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Wednesday 04 September 2002 10:59 pm, CDale wrote:\n> Someone needs to tell the mayor about this:\n> http://www.cb-2000.com/\n\n\"Chastity\" technologies were doomed from the start, and I'll add chemical \nones to the trash heap. (Yeah, Cindy, these are decorative toys for the \nsubculture, but....) \n\nGenerally,someone is attempting to preserve a relationship with this \nnonsense, when quite plainly the the relationship is in a state where \npreserving it is of little value. Hardware is of no real use save for \nplaying the power-struggle game. I don't want to see the future of this.\n\"Invisible Fence\" for your mate. \"Must wear\" location transponders and \nendocrine monitors. More movies like \"Minority Report.\"\n\nIt seems so automatic for people to reach for coercive solutions. So \nsurprizing given the low absolute effectiveness of coercion in the absense \nof overwhelming force advantage.\n\nEirikur\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"i agree with rob. i think if the phones (and mms is building traction in europe in handsets), this might be interesting. bottom line is will it a) help sell phones and b) bill enough time on the wcarriers networks?\n\nanyone remember the polariod photo sticker fad? low quality, small in size. but kids totally dug that stuff. seems like every adolescent girl had that stuff at one point. and it never replaced or aimed to replace digital cameras or normal photographs. i don't think mms photos will be a substitute for other photography - developed at the local 1 hour joint or digital photos on your pc. i think it expands the market and forms a new category. the extent of the category size is the big question (will it be a fad or will it a sustained market). that's consumer behavior and marketing. but i don't think the technology adoption will follow a substitution of another product on the market (in this case, digital photos or normal photos). europe's the one to watch - more teenagers have wireless phones and if the pricing and marketing is right, they'll figure out what to do with it once the carriers how to figure out how to market it to them.\n\n-h\n\n>From: \"Rob Shavell\" <[email protected]>\n>To: \"'Mike Masnick'\" <[email protected]>\n>Cc: <[email protected]>\n>Subject: RE: sprint delivers the next big thing??\n>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:10:50 -0700\n>\n>right Mike,\n>\n>i will agree to disagree but i take your comments to heart. my opinion is\n>only that this is one of the last frontiers of communications ('instant\n>show') that we cross easily (though you are right as rain on pricing). i am\n>mildly amused at the level of skepticism and innatention it is getting.\n>\n>my premise is that the world will change in dramatic and unexpected ways\n>once there are a billion 'eye's' which can instantly share what they see\n>amongst each other. that doesn't mean that people will stop talking on\n>their phones, or that people will spend more time w/images than voice. just\n>that it is fundamental. from news to crime to privacy to dating to family\n>life to bloopers and practical jokes, i believe there will be an explosion\n>of images unleashed specifically by cell phone integrated lenses because of\n>their utter ubiquity that dwarfs all pictures taken in the history of\n>photography by orders of magnitude and in short order. and yes, changes\n>things 'big time'.\n>\n>rgds,\n>rob\n>\n>\n>-----Original Message-----\n>From: Mike Masnick [mailto:[email protected]]\n>Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:58 PM\n>To: Rob Shavell\n>Cc: [email protected]\n>Subject: RE: sprint delivers the next big thing??\n>\n>\n>Not to keep harping on this, but...\n>\n>At 11:36 PM 8/20/02 -0700, Rob Shavell wrote:\n>\n>>content: who cares about content? that no one can think of 'useful'\n>content\n>>is always the business persons mistake. the content is the users\n>>communications. its anything and everything. avg person could easily send\n>>half dozen pics to a dozen people a day. mainly humorous i'd guess. who\n>>cares if content is trivial in nature. picture speaks a thousand words.\n>\n>This does nothing to answer my question. I do care about content. Hell,\n>if I could be convinced that people would send stupid pics back and forth\n>all day, I'd have a different opinion of this. I just am not convinced\n>that they will (stupid or not).\n>\n>While a picture may be worth a thousand words (and this is the same\n>argument the guy who works for me made), how many people do you know who\n>communicate by pictures? Sure, it sounds nice to say that a picture is\n>such an efficient messaging mechanism, but how often do you actually find\n>yourself drawing someone a picture to explain something?\n>\n>I don't buy it.\n>\n>For most messages, text works fine and is the most efficient\n>mechanism. For some messages, pictures do the job, but I would say not\n>nearly as often as words. Why do you think Pictionary and Charades and\n>such are games? Because images are usually not the most efficient way to\n>get a message across.\n>\n>>misc ramblings: i suppose you skeptical forkers would have said the same\n>>thing about '1 hour photo' processing. trivial, who needs it, i get better\n>>resultion elswhere. and yet, it had great decentralizing impact - the\n>plant\n>>had to be downsized and pushed to the retail operation - the digital\n>camera,\n>>and finally the integrated digital camera phone brings this cycle of\n>>decentralization in photography to a logical conclusion (which will put the\n>>photo giants to bed) and change the world in a meaningful way. also, SMS\n>>didn't take off because its easy, it took off because it costs less. its\n>>greatly ironic the carriers often trumpet the 'profitabilty' of their SMS\n>>traffic over others because of its ratio of cost to bandwidth. in reality,\n>>SMS cannibilizes the voice rev's they bought their networks to handle.\n>\n>Again, this is the same argument my colleague made (along with \"you just\n>don't understand kids today, and they'll run with this\"). I wasn't saying\n>that MMS wouldn't take off because it wasn't high quality or that it wasn't\n>easy. I was saying that I couldn't see why people would use it in a way\n>that \"changed the face of communications\".\n>\n>I'm looking for the compelling reason (even if it's a stupid one) why\n>people would want to do this. Sure, if they integrate cameras into the\n>phone, and the quality improves (even only marginally) I can certainly see\n>people taking pictures with their cameras and occasionally sending them to\n>other people. But, mostly, I don't see what the benefit is to this over\n>sending them to someone's email address, or putting together an online (or\n>offline) photoalbum.\n>\n>I don't think 1 hour photos are trivial. People want to see their own pics\n>right away, and the quality is plenty good enough for snapshots. That's\n>one of the main reasons why digital cameras are catching on. The instant\n>view part. I'm guessing your argument is that people not only want\n>\"instant view\", but also \"instant show\". Which is what this service\n>offers. I'm not convinced that most people want \"instant show\". I think\n>people like to package their pictures and show them. That's why people put\n>together fancy albums, and sit there and force you to go through them while\n>they explain every picture. Sure, occasionally \"instant show\" is nice, but\n>it's just \"nice\" on occasion. I still can't see how it becomes a integral\n>messaging method.\n>\n>What's the specific benefit of taking a picture and immediately sending it\n>from one phone to another? There has to be some benefit, even if it's\n>silly if people are going to flock to it.\n>\n>I'm searching... no one has given me a straight answer yet.\n>\n>The only really intriguing idea I've heard about things like MMS lately\n>are Dan Gillmor's assertion that one day in the near future some news event\n>will happen, and a bunch of people will snap pictures with their mobile\n>phones, from all different angles, and those photos tell the real story of\n>what happened - before the press even gets there.\n>\n>Willing to be proven wrong,\n>Mike\n>\n>PS If the wireless carriers continue to price these services as stupidly as\n>they currently are, then MMS is never going to catch on.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote:\n\n> Don't swallow too quickly what you have read about\n> more traditional cultures, today or in the past. Do\n\nI don't swallow ;>\n\nI was just offering anecdotal first-hand experiences from a number of\ncultures indicating 1) we apparently have a problem 2) which requires more\nthan ad hoc hand-waving approach (it's trivial! it's obvious! all we have\nto do is XY!).\n\n> we have any statistics on the poor man's divorce from\n> centuries past? Are you so sure that the kids in 18th\n\nThat's easy. Divorce didn't happen. The church and the society looked\nafter that. Only relatively recently that privilege was granted to kings, \nand only very recently to commoners.\n\n> century England were any more \"functional\" than those\n> today? What about 20th century Saudi Arabia?\n\nIs Saudi Arabia a meaningful emigration source?\n \n> >At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and \n> >counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing\n> >something wrong.\n> \n> Granting your first two points, I'm skeptical about\n> the last. Do you see ANY signs that America specifically\n\nI wasn't talking about the US specifically. (Though the demographics \nproblem exists there as well, albeit not in that extent we Eurotrash are \nfacing right now).\n\n> or the west generally are suffering from lack of\n> innovation, vis-a-vis youth nations such as Iran? The\n\n1) I'm seeing lack of innovation, and -- more disturbing -- trend towards\neven less innovation by an autocatalytic process (gerontocracy favors\ngerontocracy).\n\n> last I read, the third generation of the revolution all\n> (a) want to move to America, and (b) failing that, are\n> importing everything they can American.\n\nMy point was that the west, US first and foremost, importing innovation\ncarriers and working against bad trend in the demographics by large scale\nimport. While this kinda, sorta works on the short run, this is not\nsomething sustainable.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Turpin:\n>>Do we have any statistics on the poor man's divorce from centuries past?\n\nEugen Leitl:\n>That's easy. Divorce didn't happen.\n\nYou seem not to know what a \"poor man's divorce\" is.\nIt is an old term, from the time when divorce was\ndifficult, but walking was easy, and identity was\nnot so locked down as it is today. Not every widow\nhad a dead husband.\n\n>I'm seeing lack of innovation ..\n\nThat doesn't tell us anything except what is\nhappening in Eugen Leitl's life. The more common\nobservation is that the rate of change is increasing.\nDo you have any data that might persuade us that what\nyou see is more telling than what others see?\n\n>gerontocracy favors gerontocracy.\n\nI would have thought that gerontocracy favors biotech\nresearch and plenty of young workers to pay taxes.\nNote that the fertility rate doesn't result from\ndecisions made by the old, but by the young. If we\nwant more kids, we have to convince people who are\nin their twenties to become parents.\n\n\n\n\n_________________________________________________________________\nJoin the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. \nhttp://www.hotmail.com\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2002/21/\n(Shows a picture of a wheel within a wheel galaxy).\n\nThe universe is a strange and wonderful place.\n\n- Jim\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Jim Whitehead wrote:\n--]We've got Googlewhacking, Googlebombing and now we can add Googlecooking to\n--]our lexicon. My mother types whatever ingredients she has on hand into\n--]Google and then picks the most appealing recipe returned in the results.\n--]What a good idea!\n\n\nDude, this is at least two years old and probably older. Of course we had\na more catchy phrase for it, we call it Iron Chef Google.\n\nWhen the garden was in full bloom a few summers back Dawn and I would\ngoogle the ingrediants we just grew to come up with tasty recipes, or more\noften ideas from recipes from which toi make our own.\n\nFight the hypebuzzword war, be an army of one:)-\n\n-tom (iron che tempah)wsmf\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"quitcherbraggin.\n\n:-)\ngg\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of CDale\nSent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM\nTo: [email protected]\nCc: Adam L. Beberg; [email protected]\nSubject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)\n\n\nI dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the\nright to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy\ncleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number\nof hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I\nclose him because he is industrious and creative, and because he\nunfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be\nhere soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs,\nand sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned \"chores\") Adam can\nhave his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has\nthe same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO\nclue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he\nstumbles around in the dark.\nCindy\nP.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only\nthe order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris-\nP.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab\ndriving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking\nlike it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another\ncomputer job. Le Sigh. (:\n\nOn Thu, 5 Sep 2002 [email protected] wrote:\n\n> Hello Adam,\n>\n> Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:\n>\n>\n> ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.\n>\n> Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every\n> so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?)\n>\n> ALB> And how is this any different from \"normal\" marriage exactly? Other\nthen\n> ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both\nshe and\n> ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of\n> ALB> \"de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded\" choices?\n>\n> Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of\n> Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive,\n> independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't\n> forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes,\n> and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even\n> find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and\n> they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I\n> know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things\n> do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my\n> father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a\n> motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation\n> now.\n>\n> If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then\n> their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these\n> situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship\n> is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he\n> doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished\n> and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest\n> marriage.\n>\n> Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I\n> blame law school and my cat.\n>\n> -BB\n>\n> ALB> - Adam L. \"Duncan\" Beberg\n> ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/\n> ALB> [email protected]\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n\n--\n\"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway\" --Huckleberry Finn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Why should I? (:\nC\n\nOn Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Geege Schuman wrote:\n\n> quitcherbraggin.\n> \n> :-)\n> gg\n> \n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of CDale\n> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:42 AM\n> To: [email protected]\n> Cc: Adam L. Beberg; [email protected]\n> Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...)\n> \n> \n> I dunno, BB. Women who like to be thought of this way should have the\n> right to choose to be treated this way. Men too... ahem. (: My boy\n> cleans, washes clothes, cooks, fixes stuff, etc, and works the same number\n> of hours I do, sometimes more, if he has to catch up with me. (: I\n> close him because he is industrious and creative, and because he\n> unfailingly makes my bed the minute I get out of it. And boy #2 will be\n> here soon to help boy #1 with other things such as pedicures, backrubs,\n> and sure, fucking. LOL! (along with the aforementioned \"chores\") Adam can\n> have his cake and eat it too, if he can only find the right girl who has\n> the same beliefs about gender roles that he has. Of course, he has NO\n> clue where to look, so we will be constantly laughing at him while he\n> stumbles around in the dark.\n> Cindy\n> P.S. the numbers do not in any way indicate importance or favor -- only\n> the order in which they move into my house. -smiles at chris-\n> P.S. #2. I'm moving. Going to New Orleans. Can't handle any more cab\n> driving. The summer sucked here on the MS Gulf Coast, instead of rocking\n> like it normally does. Wish me luck. I'm going to look for another\n> computer job. Le Sigh. (:\n> \n> On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 [email protected] wrote:\n> \n> > Hello Adam,\n> >\n> > Thursday, September 05, 2002, 11:33:18 PM, you wrote:\n> >\n> >\n> > ALB> So, you're saying that product bundling works? Good point.\n> >\n> > Sometimes I wish I was still in CA. You deserve a good beating every\n> > so often... (anyone else want to do the honors?)\n> >\n> > ALB> And how is this any different from \"normal\" marriage exactly? Other\n> then\n> > ALB> that the woman not only gets a man, but one in a country where both\n> she and\n> > ALB> her offspring will have actual opportunities? Oh and the lack of\n> > ALB> \"de-feminized, over-sized, self-centered, mercenary-minded\" choices?\n> >\n> > Mmkay. For the nth time Adam, we don't live in the land of\n> > Adam-fantasy. Women actually are allowed to do things productive,\n> > independent and entirely free of their male counterparts. They aren't\n> > forced to cook and clean and merely be sexual vessels. Sometimes,\n> > and this will come as a shock to you, no doubt, men and women even\n> > find -love- (which is the crucial distinction between this system) and\n> > they marry one another for the satisfaction of being together. I\n> > know, far-fetched and idealistically crazy as it is, but such things\n> > do happen. I can guarantee you, if my mother was approached by my\n> > father, and 25 years ago, he commented on her cleaning ability as a\n> > motivator for marrying her, we would not be having this conversation\n> > now.\n> >\n> > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then\n> > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. Again, these\n> > situations are great, provided everyone is aware that the relationship\n> > is a contractual one -- he wants a maid, a dog and a prostitute he\n> > doesn't have to pay, and she wants a country that isn't impoverished\n> > and teeming with AIDS. A contract, versus a true love-interest\n> > marriage.\n> >\n> > Egh. I really need to stop analyzing your posts to this extent. I\n> > blame law school and my cat.\n> >\n> > -BB\n> >\n> > ALB> - Adam L. \"Duncan\" Beberg\n> > ALB> http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/\n> > ALB> [email protected]\n> >\n> >\n> >\n> >\n> >\n> >\n> \n> --\n> \"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway\" --Huckleberry Finn\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n\n-- \n\"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway\" --Huckleberry Finn\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Robert Harley:\n>It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly, \n>precisely identical between males and females.\n\nYeah, assuming approximately equal populations.\nBut that obscures the different modes of\npromiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for\nmoney or power or companionship and the person\nwho uses money and power and companionship to\nget sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense\nof the word. But their motives and behavior are\nquite different.\n\nLangur monkeys were the example in the cited\narticle. \"Dominant males .. kill babies that\nare not their own.\" \"The dominant male monkey\n.. seeks to defend his harem of females.\" But\ncozying up to the current dominant male isn't\nthe best strategy for female langurs, because\n\"dominant males are dethroned by rivals every\n27 months or so.\" \"By mating with as many\nextra-group males as possible, female langurs\nensure their offspring against infanticide,\"\nby the male who is likely next to rule the\nroost.\n\nMaybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a\npicture of carefree females engaged in joyously\npromiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who\nis taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a\nbetter picture of that. ;-)\n\n\n\n\n\n_________________________________________________________________\nChat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Oh, well, uh, thank you, Russell. LOL@#! (I think?)\nC\n\nOn Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Russell Turpin wrote:\n\n> Robert Harley:\n> >It is perfectly obvious that (heterosexual) promiscuity is exactly, \n> >precisely identical between males and females.\n> \n> Yeah, assuming approximately equal populations.\n> But that obscures the different modes of\n> promiscuity. Both the person who gives sex for\n> money or power or companionship and the person\n> who uses money and power and companionship to\n> get sex are promiscuous, in the broadest sense\n> of the word. But their motives and behavior are\n> quite different.\n> \n> Langur monkeys were the example in the cited\n> article. \"Dominant males .. kill babies that\n> are not their own.\" \"The dominant male monkey\n> .. seeks to defend his harem of females.\" But\n> cozying up to the current dominant male isn't\n> the best strategy for female langurs, because\n> \"dominant males are dethroned by rivals every\n> 27 months or so.\" \"By mating with as many\n> extra-group males as possible, female langurs\n> ensure their offspring against infanticide,\"\n> by the male who is likely next to rule the\n> roost.\n> \n> Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't paint a\n> picture of carefree females engaged in joyously\n> promiscuous couplings. The dom cab driver who\n> is taking her two boy toys to New Orleans is a\n> better picture of that. ;-)\n> \n> \n> \n> \n> \n> _________________________________________________________________\n> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com\n> \n\n-- \n\"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway\" --Huckleberry Finn\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"hehe sorry but if you hit caps lock twice the computer crashes? theres one\nive never heard before... have you tryed Dell support yet? I think dell\ncomputers prefer RedHat... (dell provide some computers pre-loaded with red\nhat) i dont know for sure tho! so get someone elses opnion as well as\nmine...\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Peter\nStaunton\nSent: 22 August 2002 19:58\nTo: [email protected]\nSubject: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2\n\n\nFolks,\n\nmy first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux.\n\n\nJust got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard\ndisk\nfor Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which\nwent\nfine except it didn't pick up my monitor.\n\nI have a Dell branded E151FPp 15\" LCD flat panel monitor and a nVidia\nGeForce4\nTi4200 video card, both of which are probably too new to feature in Suse's\ndefault\nset. I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using\nRPM.\nThen I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net),\nbut\nit still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next?\n\nAnother problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock\ntwice,\nthe whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch\nis\ninactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead.\n\nIf anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful -\nI've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas.\n\nOr should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat?\nOpinions\nwelcome.\n\nThanks a lot,\nPeter\n\n--\nIrish Linux Users' Group: [email protected]\nhttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.\nList maintainer: [email protected]\n\n\n-- \nIrish Linux Users' Group: [email protected]\nhttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.\nList maintainer: [email protected]\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Robert Harley:\n> Gordon Mohr wrote:\n> >Definitional nit to pick:\n> >You've redefined \"promiscuity\" above as \"total\" or \"average\" activity,\n> \n> I think it's clear that I'm talking about averages, so I'm not sure\n> why that nit needs to be picked...\n\nIt was clear you were talking about averages. But it should \nbe equally clear that that isn't what people mean when they\nuse the word \"promiscuity\". \n\n> >which seems to rob it of its common meaning: \n> >activity above some specific threshold (usually \"one\") \n> \n> In that case, \"promiscous\" is a vacuous term in modern Western\n> societies (but we knew that :), where people average 7 partners or so\n> in their adult lives.\n\nNot at all. There are still people who only have one partner.\nThere are many more whoe only have one partner over \"long\"\nperiods of time. So it is far from \"vacuous\" to describe some\npeople as \"promiscuous\" and others as \"not promiscuous\", \nespecially over a set period. (\"He was promiscuous in college.\nHe is no longer promiscuous.\")\n\nThe word has a clear meaning, despite your continuing tendency \nto gloss that meaning over with population averages. \n\n> >Consider a population of 3 males and 3 females.\n> >[...]\n> >so in this contrived population, females are more \"promiscuous\" than males,\n> \n> So 1 girl gets 1 guy, 2 girls get 2 guys, 2 guys get 1 girl, 1 guy\n> gets 3 girls. Sounds like six of one versus half a dozen of the other\n> to me.\n\nOK, then. Consider a population of 1,000,000. 500,000 men each\npair off with 500,000 women. Then, 1 man, let's call him \"Wilt\",\nalso has sex with the other 499,999 women. \n\n499,999 women have had more than one partner. 499,999 men have\nonly had one partner. It is now \"perfectly obvious\" that in the\ncommon meaning of the term, among this contrived population, \nthat women are \"more promiscuous\" than men -- even though the\nsingle \"most promiscuous\" person, Wilt, is a man. \n\n\"Promiscuity\" is not \"exactly, perfectly identical between males \nand females\", except under a degenerate custom definition of\n\"promiscuity\".\n\n> >unless \"promiscuity\" is defined uselessly.\n> \n> Ain't nothin' useless about averages.\n\nAverages are useful, sure -- but much more so if called by their \nactual name, rather than conflated with another concept.\n\n- Gordon\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On 9/8/02 3:16 PM, \"Gary Lawrence Murphy\" <[email protected]> wrote:\n>>>>>> \"J\" == James Rogers <[email protected]> writes:\n> \n> J> An example: Being able to model RF propagation in three\n> J> dimensions for a metro area when deploying wireless networks.\n> J> By having every single tree and building detail and similar,\n> J> you can \"see\" even tiny dead spots due to physical blockage and\n> J> signal attenuation.\n> \n> Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses\n> whatsoever ;) ... do the biz guys in your office /really/ think WISPs\n> are really going to shell out /their/ money to find a house or two\n> they can't reach? Experience suggests (a) they won't care and (b)\n> they will even sign up that errant house and then give them a\n> run-around blaming the dead-spot on \"unsupported vendor equipment\".\n\n\nErrrr....the biz guys in my office don't care what the \"WISPs\" want to do\nwith their little WiFi networks. And the bandwidth shadows in most cities\nare surprisingly large and common. They aren't selling the software, which\nis pretty pricy as it happens. They are using it to optimize next\ngeneration wireless canopies over metro areas and fiber networks on a large\nscale. There are an essentially infinite number of metro wireless\nconfigurations, some of which generate far more dead or marginal spots and\nothers which are very expensive to operate (due to backhaul transit\nconsiderations) or both. This software can be used as a tool to optimize\nthe canopy coverage and minimize the actual transit costs since the wireless\nis tied into fiber at multiple points.\n\nThe canopies we are talking about aren't short-range wifi technologies, but\na mixture of long-range high-performance wireless networking, with bandwidth\nmeasured in tens to hundreds of mbits and ranges measured in miles (up to\nwell over a hundred miles on the extreme end). At those ranges and\nbandwidth levels, the cost of providing the network can easily vary by an\norder of magnitude or more depending on how you manage RF shadows and\nproximity to fiber access points. The idea ultimately is to optimize the\ncost and performance such that no existing network infrastructure providers\ncan remotely compete and maintain profitability. This is a surprisingly low\nbar, and it is about time networks were designed with this level of\nlarge-scale optimization (cost per mbit, maximizing coverage, and effective\nbandwidth available per unit area) in any case. And for this company's\nlong-term plans, this type of capability will be absolutely necessary to\nkeep things sane.\n\nOr at least investors find this capability very sexy and compelling,\nespecially since we have this lovely visualization engine tied into the\nsystem (CLI batches never have the same effect, even if it is more\nefficient).\n\n-James Rogers\n [email protected]\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	">>>>> \"J\" == James Rogers <[email protected]> writes:\n\n J> ... They aren't selling the software, which is pretty pricy as\n J> it happens. They are using it to optimize next generation\n J> wireless canopies over metro areas and fiber networks on a\n J> large scale. There are an essentially infinite number of metro\n J> wireless configurations, some of which generate far more dead\n J> or marginal spots and others which are very expensive to\n J> operate (due to backhaul transit considerations) or both. This\n J> software can be used as a tool to optimize the canopy coverage\n J> and minimize the actual transit costs since the wireless is\n J> tied into fiber at multiple points.\n\nSo you only need to map a handful of metropolitan areas?\n\n J> Or at least investors find this capability very sexy and\n J> compelling\n\nAh ... now /that/ I will believe :)\n\nDon't mind me; I'm just getting even more cynical in my old age. \n\n-- \nGary Lawrence Murphy <[email protected]> TeleDynamics Communications Inc\n Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com\n\"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.\"(Pablo Picasso)\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Gary Lawrence Murphy cynicizes:\n> Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses\n> whatsoever ;) \n\nTourism is the world's largest industry. Using this\nto preview your travels, or figure out where you are,\nwould be very valuable.\n\nOnline gaming continues to grow. Screw \"Britannia\", \nreal-life Britain would be a fun world to wander/\nconquer/explore virtually, in role-playing or real-\ntime-strategy games.\n\nAnd of course, as James Rogers points out, it's an\nideal display substrate for all sorts of other \noverlaid data. Maps are great, photrealistic 3-D\nmaps of everywhere which can have many other static \nand dynamic datasets overlaid are spectacular. \n\n(Combining those last two thoughts: consider the\nstatic world map, in faded colors, with patches\nhere-and-there covered by live webcams, stitched\nover the static info in bright colors... it'd be\nlike the \"fog of war\" view in games like Warcraft,\nover the real world.)\n\n- Gordon\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Agreed, completely. I totally grokked the notion of unintened consequence\nwith the original.\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of John\nEvdemon\nSent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:03 AM\nTo: [email protected]\nSubject: Re: Recommended Viewing\n\n\nOn 8 Sep 2002 at 22:15, Geege Schuman wrote:\n\n> who watched Lathe of Heaven? (A&E, 8 pm EDT) who has seen\n> the original?\n>\nBy \"original\" if you are referring to the old PBS version, I liked that\nversion much better. Much more thought provoking.\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"In addition, one bit of anecdotal evidence from a conversation in\n1984! in San Fransisco is hardly enough to extrapolate 500 to 3k.\n\nThis is the only quote I could find relating to promiscuity in\nhomosexual men.\n\n\"I think people feel a certain invulnerability, especially young\npeople, like this disease doesn't affect me. The publicity about the disease was very much the kind where it was easy to say, \"That isn't me. I'm not promiscuous.\" Promiscuity, especially, was a piece where people could easily say, \"Well, I'm not. Promiscuous is more than I do.\" If you have 300 partners a year, you can think you're not promiscuous if you know somebody who has 500. So it's all relative, and it was easy to feel that that isn't me.\"\n\nYou could find hets who have the same kind of partner volume. BFD.\nThis kind of random generation of numbers that leads the nutty\nreligious bigots (as you mentioned earlier).\n\nGrr. Bits damnit. Now, I must go brief.\n\n-BB\n\n\nEL>> On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, CDale wrote:\n\n>>> I agree w/ ya Tom. That kind of thinking is SO idiotic. Sure, gays\n\nEL>> So how many of your hetero friends had >3 k lovers?\n\nbmn> So Eugen, how many of your homo friends have -had- 3k lovers?\n\nbmn> In fact, thats a general question for FoRK proper.\n\nbmn> Do you know anyone, outside of meybee Wilt Chamberlin and a few of the\nbmn> gang-bang porn queens who -have- had even 1.5k lovers?\n\nbmn> Eegads, if you're hypothesizing numbers like -that- Eugen, you at\nbmn> least owe it to FoRK to back that shit up.\n\nbmn> Otherwise we're liable to assume rampant unfounded homophobia and that\nbmn> would just be a lose.\n\nbmn> Just a quick assumption here. I'm not a math geek or anything, but\nbmn> assuming 1 lover every day, that would be like at least one lover\nbmn> everyday for 8 years and some change. I don't know about you, but\nbmn> very very few of us are -that- lucky (or even close to that lucky)\nbmn> and after awhile, even the sexaholics get bored and have to mingle\nbmn> something new into their weekends. You really are assumiing that the\nbmn> homosexual population is a) that large in a given area (The meccas\nbmn> might qualify, but try finding that kind of homosexual population in\nbmn> say, Tulsa, Oklahoma or Manchester, NH (Tho Manchester does have quite\nbmn> a few nifty gaybars, but thats a different story) b) that bored/sex\nbmn> obsessed/recreationally free to pursue sex that often, with that many\nbmn> partners or that they'd even WANT that many partners.\n\nbmn> Qualify yourself, or at least lower your outrageous numbers.\n\nbmn> =BB\n>>> are promiscuous, and so are hets, but I betcha gays are more\n>>> AIDSphobic than hets, generally speaking....\n\nEL>> The virus load issue is orthogonal to the fact. Bzzt. Switch on your\nEL>> brain, you both. I was mentioning that a subpopulation outside of the sex\nEL>> industry is/used to be extremely promiscuous, about two orders of\nEL>> magnitude higher than average.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \nBest regards,\n bitbitch mailto:[email protected]\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Lucas Gonze wrote:\n\n--]3K is utter shite.\n--]\n\n3k is a number that probably sounds good to some closted homophobe with\nsecret desires to be \"belle of the balls\". Twinks dinks and dorks, this\nthread sounds to me like someone needs a little luvin.\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Tom wrote:\n> 3k is a number that probably sounds good to some closted homophobe with\n> secret desires to be \"belle of the balls\". Twinks dinks and dorks, this\n> thread sounds to me like someone needs a little luvin.\n\nI dunno if I'd accuse everybody who believes the 3K number of needing a\nlittle luvin, but I completely believe that this myth has survived because\nthere's a lot of people who need more lovin. Plus it fits in with a bunch\nof different archetypes.\n\n- Lucas\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Bitbitch writes:\n> Listen. If you pull numbers like that without a fact, the automagic\n> assumption is yes, they were extracted out of your neither orifice.\n> Point wasn't to conclude otherwise unless you had any relevant bits.\n> Its not my job to do _your_ bit searching for you, but I figured I'd\n> humor fork with this bit of finding:\n> \n> http://www.thebody.com/bp/apr01/research_notebook.html (Pointing ot\n> averages of about 13 for every 3 months (for gay men), which totals to\n> about 52 a year. 52 a year doesn't equal 3000. Or even 300.\n\nEr, that study would seem to lend credence to Eugen's\nestimations, rather than casting fresh doubts. \n\n52 a year does exceed 300, in under 6 years' time. The average\nage of that study's participants was 39 -- meaning some \nparticipants may have had 20-25+ years of active sex life. \n\nAt that age, and further HIV+ , it seems reasonable to\nthink that some the participants may have actually slowed \ntheir pace a bit. \n\nSo while this study's summary info is incomplete, you could \neasily conclude that the average participant in this one study\nwill have had over a thousand partners over a 40-50+ year active \nsex life, and so the even-more-active tails of the distribution\ncould easily be in the 3000+ range.\n\nOf course this says very little, almost nothing, about the overall \npopulation behavior, gay or straight, and the relative prevalence\nof 3K+ individuals in either group. But it does strongly suggest \nthat gay males with 3K+ partners exist in measurable numbers, so\npeople should stop treating Eugen's anecdotal estimation as if it\nwere sheer fantasy. BitBitch's own citation suggests otherwise.\n\n- Gordon\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Chris Haun wrote:\n> \n> We would need someone to sit in the studio 24/7 writing down all this info -\n> which sometimes isn't available, like from earlier album that don't have\n> serial numbers and barcodes. Then still if only the magic 18 people\n> webstream our signal, the price would become quite exponential since we play\n> on average 16 songs an hour, we'd be paying $22.11 everyday to stream to\n> those 18 people. So really, it does have to do with the internet tax, but it\n> is a few reasons together why we can't do it after their kill-date. :(\n\nWho is John Galt?\n\n(RoUS in the throes of reading Atlas Shrugged again)\n-- \n#ken\tP-)}\n\nKen Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/\nAuthor, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/\n\n\"Millennium hand and shrimp!\"\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Lucas Gonze:\n>Spam is the tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited \n>means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list.\n\nThat depends on how the list is collected, or\neven on what the senders say about how the list\nis collected. Better to just put it on a website,\nand that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND\nit doesn't clutter my inbox.\n\n\n_________________________________________________________________\nChat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com\n\nhttp://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Monday 09 September 2002 09:51 pm, Geege Schuman wrote\n> ever notice how the feelings evoked in some dreams stick with you all\n> day?i'm sure it's some neurochemical process initiated during the dream\n> that is still cycling thru - like a deja vu, triggered by memory\n> processes, where > you don't actually remember but you feel like you're\n> remembering.\n\nAbsolutely, and I've wanted to recapture it. I've done some writing based \non dreams, and there is a mysterious \"mood\" to that feeling that drives \nsome creative stuff for me. I've never tried to write music in that \nstate, but I will next time.\n\nEirikur\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Well, for one, it would free up the similar laptop I already got to\njust run Amithlon (or if that wasn't so fun, bsd) to run just OpenBSD!\n\nThis is a near-term thing I could look forward to!\n\nHowever, an 'official' laptop seems unexciting to me with only\nthe items mentioned. Most important are the particulars distinguishing\nthe listed spec from a Dell 2650, preferably:\n1- GeForce4 440 Go or newer, pleasingly modern GPU; the\n GeForce2Go (with 16MB video RAM; too little) I have is\n not so much too slow as inefficient; with factory settings it would\n actually crash from running too hot and too fast.\n (Accelerating the Ami* and possibly OpenUAE graphics\n is a necessity to meet for good speed in those environments,\n but an energy-efficient GPU is a good sideeffect and\n portability (read: battery lifetime) enabler.)\n\n1.5- Great control over CPU state; by use of 'internet keys'\n wired to BIOS/bhipset routines directly or preferably a scroll\n wheel. Also, hibernate that works, please.\n\n1.7- Bootable to USB 2.0 drives (e.g. larger external ones)\n in BIOS, please.\n\n2- P4 Dells overheat. They have a big heatsink and a little fan\n to pull air through it, and if you don't elevate thelaptop off\n the desk or table or bed it's on, the fan will -stay- on. Not good\n for MTBS (mean time between service; unless you've got an\n angle on making money on service from Amigans.....)\n One excellent solution is to include a heatpipe which runs\n behind the AMLCD, thus using the backside of the display\n half as a radiator.; though it interferes with the case notion\n below. (yes, Aavid or such makes some as a standard part.)\n I prefer to include the heatpipe but employ the radiative\n mass in elevating the laptop (i.e. in the form of a catch-handle\n and second logo device behind the laptop, which generally\n provides stow and attachment for elevation legs (move them\n out farther to get to the next-higher ekevation, until the sides\n of the laptop are met.) This also happens to provide a little\n protection for USB 2 and 1394 cables that I tend to keep\n plugged in all the time (a bit longer port life? Please.) \n\n3- A case color other than brown or black, and preferably (if the\n display module NRE is entirely permissive) the capability to\n -run with the backlight off.- Again, to save battery power, but\n also as a feature; maybe you remember the iBooks modified\n in this manner. The user has the privilege to pull out the\n backlight diffuser and fiberoptic lightpipe/CF assembly, with\n its backreflector, and the whole warrantee. This provides\n for excellent outdoor use, often with the diffuser reinserted\n to keep depth-of-field distractions minimised.\n What would I like? A1200 putty color, any translucency,\n in or over a rosewood-colored (in KDE color browser, I see\n chocolate, firebrick and a couple of 'indian red' that are great\n candidates) base. \n I would also like to be able to at least turn off the backlight\n without closing the lid, and to be -able- to fit an -external-\n light source such as a UV-filtered solar collector (and glare\n hood) to feed\n into the backlight. Not only does this make an excellent \n color environment but lets one work outdoors tolerably.\n The logo should be a coloration of a\n minimal surface, as the MAA is trying to get me to renew\n with: demos at http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/pbourke/geometry/\n at first blush. We'll see what comes out of the contest and\n maybe you'll like the mapping MathCAD does of the\n logo to a minimal surface or manifold that reflects the\n openness of AmigaOS, Ami* and Amiga community.\n MAA.org has more references, I'm sure.\n\n4- Obviously Elfin details., e,g, the backlight inlet.\n\nOther details:\nUSB2.x preferred; FireWire would be needed if that's unavailable.\nOptions like 802.11b or attabhable WiFi hub for ethernet port\nshould round out the offering. An option for just-released \n.13 micron P4 (with mobile power features) could make more\nreviewers greenlight the series; much better power consumption,\nand almost certainly a higher a top clock come with that.\nCompactFlash, SmartMedia and MMC flash memory card\ninterfaces would be very pleasant. I've mentioned booting to\nUSB, and booting from CF would be a pleasant extigency also.\nTo that end, a backup solution with compression using\nUSB 2 storage or the multimode drive is always a nice \nbundle item; that or a chance to back out a patch under 3 OS.....\n\n\nBlue skies (and clear water and fresh air): \nWaterproof to 30 feet, 3 Ethernet ports plus onboard WiFi.\nSvelte; 3-line frontpanel LCD and bright red pager LED,\nbuiltin G4 cellphone functions, choice of side and \nfrontpanel trim: Ivory-like stuff inscribed with M68k memory map\nand various OS 3.9 structures or textured fur that\nsays 'This is Amiga Speaking' when stroked 'round. \nDecent keyboard, as in Toshiba or IBM laptops; perhaps \nan ergonomic fingerworks.com device (they work as \nkeyboard and mouse) as the keyboard/trackpad.\n2 Directional planar mics atop AMLCD; soundcard with multiple \n18 bit A-D and noise reduction DSP that work in our\n(second-through-fourth, at least) favorite OS.\nActual 7\" bellows pulls out at nominal ventilation \nfan location for real void-comp (the test in Blade\nRunner) style cooling and extended bass; active cooling\nand airfiltering is available to adjust humidity at user\nseat and provide mineral water.\nHyperTransport ports.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	">>>>> \"G\" == Geege Schuman <[email protected]> writes:\n\n G> you meant \"SURPRISINGLY perceptive,\" didn't you? :-) \n\nOf course, dear. Especially without zazen training. Veritably\nOperational Thetan-like.\n\n G> recent exceptionally vivid and strange dreams lead me to\n G> believe i'm sparking synapses that have lain dormant lo these\n G> many years. Lots of problem solving going on up there at\n G> night.\n\nIt's a myth that we don't use parts of our brain. We use it all,\nalways. It's just that our culturally-induced focal-point causes most\nof us to most of the time ignore and waste 99.999% of it. \"Lucid\" is\na measure of notch-filter bandwidth; all stations are broadcasting,\nbut we only /choose/ Easy Rock 105.\n\nFor example, don't look now but your shoes are full of feet.\n\nThe sensation of toes the above statement evokes is not a \"turning on\"\nof circuits, it is a \"tuning in\". The next step, of course, is to\n\"drop out\" :)\n\nTo paraphrase an old saw: Life is wasted on the living.\n\n-- \nGary Lawrence Murphy <[email protected]> TeleDynamics Communications Inc\n Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com\n\"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.\"(Pablo Picasso)\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"This article from NYTimes.com \nhas been sent to you by [email protected].\n\n\nSure does explain FoRK :-)\n\nnot yet abandoned,\n Rohit\n\[email protected]\n\n\nSome Friends, Indeed, Do More Harm Than Good\n\nSeptember 10, 2002\nBy MARY DUENWALD \n\n\n\n\n \n\nFriends are supposed to be good for you. In recent years,\nscientific research has suggested that people who have\nstrong friendships experience less stress, they recover\nmore quickly from heart attacks and they are likely to live\nlonger than the friendless. They are even less susceptible\nto the common cold, studies show. \n\nBut not all friends have such a salutary effect. Some lie,\ninsult and betray. Some are overly needy. Some give too\nmuch advice. Psychologists and sociologists are now calling\nattention to the negative health effects of bad friends. \n\n\"Friendship is often very painful,\" said Dr. Harriet\nLerner, a psychologist and the author of \"The Dance of\nConnection.\" \"In a close, enduring friendship, jealousy,\nenvy, anger and the entire range of difficult emotions will\nrear their heads. One has to decide whether the best thing\nis to consider it a phase in a long friendship or say this\nis bad for my health and I'm disbanding it.\" \n\nAnother book, \"When Friendship Hurts,\" by Dr. Jan Yager, a\nsociologist at the University of Connecticut at Stamford,\nadvises deliberately leaving bad friends by the wayside.\n\"There's this myth that friendships should last a\nlifetime,\" Dr. Yager said. \"But sometimes it's better that\nthey end.\" \n\nThat social scientists would wait until now to spotlight\nthe dangers of bad friends is understandable, considering\nthat they have only recently paid close attention to\nfriendship at all. Marriage and family relationships -\nbetween siblings or parents and children - have been seen\nas more important. \n\nOf course, troubled friendships are far less likely to lead\nto depression or suicide than troubled marriages are. And\nchildren are seldom seriously affected when friendships go\nbad. \n\nAs a popular author of relationship advice books, Dr.\nLerner said, \"Never once have I had anyone write and say my\nbest friend hits me.\" \n\nDr. Beverley Fehr, a professor of psychology at the\nUniversity of Winnipeg, noted that sociological changes,\nlike a 50 percent divorce rate, have added weight to the\nrole of friends in emotional and physical health. \n\n\"Now that a marital relationship can't be counted on for\nstability the way it was in the past, and because people\nare less likely to be living with or near extended family\nmembers, people are shifting their focus to friendships as\na way of building community and finding intimacy,\" said Dr.\nFehr, the author of \"Friendship Processes.\" \n\nUntil the past couple of years, the research on friendship\nfocused on its health benefits. \"Now we're starting to look\nat it as a more full relationship,\" said Dr. Suzanna Rose,\na professor of psychology at Florida International\nUniversity in Miami. \"Like marriage, friendship also has\nnegative characteristics.\" \n\nThe research is in its infancy. Psychologists have not yet\nmeasured the ill effects of bad friendship, Dr. Fehr said.\nSo far they have only, through surveys and interviews,\nfigured out that it is a significant problem. The early\nresearch, Dr. Fehr added, is showing that betrayal by a\nfriend can be more devastating than experts had thought. \n\nHow can a friend be bad? Most obviously, Dr. Rose said, by\ndrawing a person into criminal or otherwise ill-advised\npursuit. \"When you think of people who were friends at\nEnron,\" she added, \"you can see how friendship can support\nantisocial behavior.\" \n\nBetrayal also makes for a bad friendship. \"When friends\nsplit up,\" said Dr. Keith E. Davis, a professor of\npsychology at the University of South Carolina, \"it is\noften in cases where one has shared personal information or\nsecrets that the other one wanted to be kept confidential.\"\n\n\nAnother form of betrayal, Dr. Yager said, is when a friend\nsuddenly turns cold, without ever explaining why. \"It's\nmore than just pulling away,\" she said. \"The silent\ntreatment is actually malicious.\" \n\nAt least as devastating is an affair with the friend's\nromantic partner, as recently happened to one of Dr.\nLerner's patients. \"I would not encourage her to hang in\nthere and work this one out,\" Dr. Lerner said. \n\nA third type of bad friendship involves someone who insults\nthe other person, Dr. Yager said. One of the 180 people who\nresponded to Dr. Yager's most recent survey on friendship\ndescribed how, when she was 11, her best friend called her\n\"a derogatory name.\" The woman, now 32, was so devastated\nthat she feels she has been unable to be fully open with\npeople ever since, Dr. Yager said. \n\nEmotional abuse may be less noticeable than verbal abuse,\nbut it is \"more insidious,\" Dr. Yager said. \"Some people\nconstantly set up their friends,\" she explained. \"They'll\nhave a party, not invite the friend, but make sure he or\nshe finds out.\" \n\nRisk takers, betrayers and abusers are the most extreme\nkinds of bad friends, Dr. Yager said, but they are not the\nonly ones. She identifies 21 different varieties. Occupying\nthe second tier of badness are the liar, the person who is\noverly dependent, the friend who never listens, the person\nwho meddles too much in a friend's life, the competitor and\nthe loner, who prefers not to spend time with friends. \n\nMost common is the promise breaker. \"This includes everyone\nfrom the person who says let's have a cup of coffee but\nsomething always comes up at the last minute to someone who\npromises to be there for you when you need them, but then\nisn't,\" Dr. Yager said. \n\nSome friendships go bad, as some romantic relationships do,\nwhen one of the people gradually or suddenly finds reasons\nto dislike the other one. \n\n\"With couples, it can take 18 to 24 months for someone to\ndiscover there's something important they don't like about\nthe other person,\" said Dr. Rose of Florida International.\n\"One might find, for example, that in subtle ways the other\nperson is a racist. In friendships, which are less intense,\nit may take even more time for one person to meet the\nother's dislike criteria.\" \n\nWhether a friendship is worth saving, Dr. Lerner said,\n\"depends on how large the injury is.\" \n\n\"Sometimes the mature thing is to lighten up and let\nsomething go,\" she added. \"It's also an act of maturity\nsometimes to accept another person's limitations.\" \n\nAcceptance should come easier among friends than among\nspouses, Dr. Lerner said, because people have more than one\nfriend and do not need a full range of emotional support\nfrom each one. \n\nBut if the friendship has deteriorated to the point where\none friend truly dislikes the other one or finds that the\nfriendship is causing undue stress, the healthy response is\nto pull away, Dr. Yager said, to stop sharing the personal\nor intimate details of life, and start being too busy to\nget together, ever. \n\n\"It takes two people to start and maintain a friendship,\nbut only one to end it,\" Dr. Yager said. \n\nFriendship, because it is voluntary and unregulated, is far\neasier to dissolve than marriage. But it is also\ncomparatively fragile, experts say. Ideally, the loss of a\nbad friendship should leave a person with more time and\nappreciation for good ones, Dr. Lerner said. \n\n\"It is wise to pay attention to your friendships and have\nthem in order while you're healthy and your life and work\nare going well,\" she said. \"Because when a crisis hits,\nwhen someone you love dies, or you lose your job and your\nhealth insurance, when the universe gives you a crash\ncourse in vulnerability, you will discover how crucial and\nlife-preserving good friendship is.\"\n\nhttp://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/10/health/psychology/10FRIE.html?ex=1032684795&ei=1&en=2a88a6d1b985c977\n\n\n\nHOW TO ADVERTISE\n---------------------------------\nFor information on advertising in e-mail newsletters \nor other creative advertising opportunities with The \nNew York Times on the Web, please contact\[email protected] or visit our online media \nkit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo\n\nFor general information about NYTimes.com, write to \[email protected]. \n\nCopyright 2002 The New York Times Company\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I like this part - sounds like httpd on the client...\n\nhttp://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2001/04/27/xdegrees.html\n\n\"Once the Client Component is installed, a server can order a program to run\non the client. Any CGI script, Java servlet, ASP component, etc. could be\nrun on the client. This is like breaking the Web server into two parts.\nOriginally, Web servers just understood HTTP and sent pages. Then the field\nstarted demanding more from the Web and the servers got loaded down with CGI\nand mod_perl and active pages and stuff. So now the Web server can choose to\ngo back to simple serving and (where the application is appropriate) let the\nclient do the other razzamatazz. This is superior to JavaScript in one\nimportant detail: the program doesn't have to reload when a new page is\nloaded, as JavaScript functions do.\n\nAnd because XDegrees uses Web-compatible technology, users can access\nXDegrees resources without installing any software, simply by using their\nbrowser.\"\n\n===\n\"Scaling is the main question that comes to mind when somebody describes a\nnew naming and searching system. CEO Michael Tanne claims to have figured\nout mathematically that the system can scale up to millions of users and\nbillions of resources. Scaling is facilitated by the careful location of\nservers (XDegrees will colocate servers at key routing points, as Akamai\ndoes), and by directing clients to the nearest server as their default\n\"home\" server. Enterprise customers can use own servers to manage in-house\napplications.\"\n\n\"Files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the\nInternet, as with Napster or Freenet. In fact, the caching in XDegrees is\nmore sophisticated than it is on those systems: users with high bandwidth\nconnections can download portions, or \"stripes,\" of a file from several\ncached locations simultaneously. The XDegrees software then reassembles\nthese stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures to verify that\nthe downloaded file is the same as the original. A key component of this\ndigital signature is a digest of the file, which is stored as an HTTP header\nfor the file.\"\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"September Haiku\n\nFreezing my ass off\nAir conditioning on high\nheats small apartment.\n\n\nCindy, in Mississippie\nP.S. this one's for you, geege.\n\n\n\nOn Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Paul Chvostek wrote:\n\n> \n> I can tell I'm not the only one without air conditioning. ;-)\n> \n> Maybe I'll move to Canmore. <sigh>\n> \n> p\n> \n> \n> On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 03:37:08PM -0400, Swerve wrote:\n> > \n> > moo hahahaha.\n> > \n> > i need a smoke.\n> > \n> > stop this heatwave.\n> > \n> > bring on winter.\n> > \n> > bring on fall.\n> > \n> > \n> > Swerve, shut up.\n> > \n> > bye.\n> \n> \n\n-- \n\"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway\" --Huckleberry Finn\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nhttp://www.phc.mpr.org/posthost/index.shtml\n\nDear Garrison,\n\nThere are at least six plans about what to do with\n\"Ground Zero\" in New York. I believe a suitable memorial\nsurrounded by a lovely park with benches, walkways,\nchildren's playgrounds, possibly some concessions such\nas a restaurant, small theater and a place for art works\nwould be the best tribute to those who lost their lives.\nWhat do you think should done with the space?\n\nJoe Adams\nHillsdale, New Jersey\n\nI dread the thought of a big memorial in Manhattan\nthat's designed by committee and that's gone through\npublic hearings and so forth ----- it's going to be cold\nand ugly and pretentious and the upshot will be one more\npublic space that the public hates, of which there are\nplenty already. New York is a bustling commercial city\nand that's the beauty of it, it's a city of young\nambitious dreamy people, like the folks who died in the\ntowers, and it's not a memorializing city. Historic\nevents occurred in New York that in any other city would\nbe commemorated with interpretive centers and guides and\nhistorical museums and in New York there's barely a\nlittle plaque. That's a great thing, in my estimation.\nIt's a hustling city, full of immigrants looking for\ntheir big chance, and compared to that spirit of\nentrepreneurship, a memorial plaza with a fountain and a\nstatue of something seems dead to me. Look at Grant's\nTomb. Who walks past it and thinks about President\nGrant? Nobody. People sit in the plaza by Grant's Tomb\nand think about lunch, about sex, about money, about all\nthe things that New York is about. If you want to find\nGrant, read his memoirs. His monument seems odd in New\nYork: it belongs in Washington, which is our memorial\ncity. New York is for the young and lively.\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nHanson is always good.\n\nOne of my sci-fi authors is planning on slipping the following line into\none of their stories:\n\n\"The worst strategic mistake since the 911 attacks\".\n\n\n\n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of\nBill\n> Stoddard\n> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:37 AM\n> To: [email protected]\n> Subject: Hanson's Sept 11 message in the National Review\n> \n> \n> http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson091102.asp\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63543-2002Sep10.html\n\n\"MIAMI, Sept. 10 -- A two-gram rock of crack\ncocaine was found inside the shoe of Florida\nGov. Jeb Bush's 25-year-old daughter by workers\nat the central Florida rehabilitation center\nwhere she is undergoing court-ordered drug\ntreatment, Orlando police said today.\n\nNoelle Bush was not arrested because witnesses\nwould not give sworn statements, but the\nincident is under investigation, according to\nOrlando police spokesman Orlando Rolon.\"\n\nWow, the witnesses would not nark of a Bush girl in an era where there are\nno mare restrictions on being held without a cause?\n\nImagine that...\n\n-tom\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n\"60 Minutes II\" Bush Interview:\n\n(CBS) No president since Abraham Lincoln has seen such horrific loss of \nlife in a war on American soil. No president since James Madison, nearly \n200 years ago, has seen the nation’s capital city successfully attacked. \nBut, one year ago, President George W. Bush was thrown into the first \ngreat crisis of the 21st century.\n\nThis is the president’s story of September 11th and the week America \nwent to war. 60 Minutes II spent two hours with Mr. Bush, one, on Air \nForce One and another in the Oval Office last week. Even after a year, \nthe president is still moved, sometimes to the point of tears, when he \nremembers Sept. 11.\n\n“I knew, the farther we get away from Sept.11, the more likely it is for \nsome around the world to forget the mission, but not me,” Mr. Bush says \nduring the Air Force One interview. “Not me. I made the pledge to myself \nand to people that I’m not going to forget what happened on Sept. 11. So \nlong as I’m president, we will pursue the killers and bring them to \njustice. We owe that to those who have lost their lives.”\n\nThe memories come back sharp and clear on Air Force One, where Pelley \njoined the president for a recent trip across country. 60 Minutes II \nwanted to talk to him there because that is where he spent the first \nhours after the attack.\n\nNot since Lyndon Johnson was sworn in on Air Force One has the airplane \nbeen so central to America in a crisis.\n\nFor President Bush, Sept. 11 2001, started with the usual routine. \nBefore dawn, the president was on his four-mile run. It was just before \n6 a.m. and, at the same moment, another man was on the move: Mohammad \nAtta. Two hours later, as Mr. Bush drove to an elementary school, \nhijackers on four planes were murdering the flight crews and turning the \nairliners east. As the motorcade neared the school at 8:45 a.m., jet \nengines echoed in Manhattan.\n\nAtta plunged the 767 jumbo jet into World Trade Center Tower One.\n\n“I thought it was an accident,” says Mr. Bush. “I thought it was a pilot \nerror. I thought that some foolish soul had gotten lost and - and made a \nterrible mistake.”\n\nMr. Bush was told about the first plane just before sitting down with a \nclass of second graders. He was watching a reading drill when, just \nafter nine, United Flight 175 exploded into the second tower. There was \nthe sudden realization that what had seemed like a terrible mistake was \na coordinated attack.\n\nBack in the Florida classroom, press secretary Ari Fleischer got the \nnews on his pager. The president’s chief-of-staff, Andy Card stepped in.\n\n“A second plane hit the second tower; America is under attack,” Card \ntold the president\n\nWhen he said those words, what did he see in the President’s face?\n\n“I saw him coming to recognition of what I had said,” Card recalls. “I \nthink he understood that he was going to have to take command as \ncommander-in-chief, not just as president.”\n\nWhat was going through Bush’s mind when he heard the news?\n\n“We’re at war and somebody has dared attack us and we’re going to do \nsomething about it,” Mr. Bush recalls. “I realized I was in a unique \nsetting to receive a message that somebody attacked us, and I was \nlooking at these little children and all of the sudden we were at war. I \ncan remember noticing the press pool and the press corps beginning to \nget the calls and seeing the look on their face. And it became evident \nthat we were, you know, that the world had changed.”\n\nMr. Bush walked into a classroom set up with a secure phone. He called \nthe vice president, pulling the phone cord tight as he spun to see the \nattack on TV. Then he grabbed a legal pad and quickly wrote his first \nwords to the nation.\n\n\"Ladies and gentlemen, this is a difficult moment for America,” he said \nin the speech. “Today, we’ve had a national tragedy.”\n\nIt was 9:30 a.m. As he spoke, Mr. Bush didn’t know that two more \nhijacked jets were streaking toward Washington. Vice Pesident Dick \nCheney was in his office at the White House when a Secret Service agent \nran in.\n\n“He said to me, ‘Sir, we have to leave immediately’ and grabbed, put a \nhand on my belt, another hand on my shoulder and propelled me out the \ndoor of my office,” Cheney recalls. “I’m not sure how they do it, but \nthey sort of levitate you down the hallway, you move very fast.”\n\n“There wasn’t a lot of time for chitchat, you know, with the vice \npresident,” says Secret Service Director Brian Stafford, who was in his \ncommand center ordering the round-up of top officials and the First \nFamily. He felt that he had only minutes to work with. “We knew there \nwere unidentified planes tracking in our direction,” he says.\n\nCheney was rushed deep under the White House into a bunker called the \nPresidential Emergency Operations Center. It was built for war, and this \nwas it. On her way down, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice \ncalled Mr. Bush.\n\n“It was brief because I was being pushed to get off the phone and get \nout of the West Wing,” says Rice. “They were hurrying me off the phone \nwith the president and I just said, he said, ‘I’m coming back’ and we \nsaid ‘Mr. President that may not be wise.’ I remember stopping briefly \nto call my family, my aunt and uncle in Alabama and say, ‘I’m fine. You \nhave to tell everybody that I’m fine’ but then settling into trying to \ndeal with the enormity of that moment, and in the first few hours, I \nthink the thing that was on everybody’s mind was how many more planes \nare coming.”\n\nThe Capitol was evacuated. And for the first time ever, the Secret \nService executed the emergency plan to ensure the presidential line of \nsuccession. Agents swept up the 15 officials who stood to become \npresident if the others were killed. They wanted to move Vice President \nCheney, fearing he was in danger even in the bunker. But Cheney says \nwhen he heard the other officials were safe, he decided to stay at the \nWhite House, no matter what.\n\n“It’s important to emphasize it's not personal, you don’t think of it in \npersonal terms, you’ve got a professional job to do,” says Cheney.\n\nCheney was joined by transportation secretary Norm Mineta who remembers \nhearing the FAA counting down the hijacked jets closing in on the \ncapital.\n\nSays Mineta: “Someone came in and said ‘Mr. Vice president there’s a \nplane 50 miles out,’ then he came in and said ‘Its now 10 miles out, we \ndon’t know where it is exactly, but it’s coming in low and fast.’”\n\nIt was American Flight 77. At 9:38 a.m., it exploded into the Pentagon, \nthe first successful attack on Washington since the War of 1812.\n\nAs the Pentagon burned, Mr. Bush’s limousine sped toward Air Force One \nin Florida. At that moment, United Flight 93 - the last hijacked plane - \nwas taking dead aim at Washington. At the White House, the staff was in \nthe West Wing cafeteria, watching on TV. Press Secretary Jennifer \nMillerwise was in the crowd when the order came to evacuate.\n\n“I no sooner walked outside when someone from the Secret Service yelled \n‘Women drop your heels and run, drop your heels and run,’ and suddenly \nthe gates that never open except for authorized vehicles just opened and \nthe whole White House just flooded out,” she recalls.\n\nIn Florida, as Mr. Bush boarded Air Force One, he was overheard telling \na Secret Service agent “Be sure to get the First Lady and my daughters \nprotected.” At 9:57 a.m., Air Force One thundered down the runway, \nblasting smoke and dust in a full -hrust take off. Communications \nDirector Dan Bartlett was on board.\n\n“It was like a rocket,” he remembers. “For a good ten minutes, the plane \nwas going almost straight up.”\n\nAt the same moment, 56 minutes after it was hit, World Trade Center \nTower Two began to falter, then cascade in an incomprehensible avalanche \nof steel, concrete and human lives.\n\n“Someone said to me, ‘Look at that’ I remember that, ‘Look at that’ and \nI looked up and I saw and I just remember a cloud of dust and smoke and \nthe horror of that moment,” recalls Rice of the TV newscast.\n\nShe also felt something in her gut: “That we’ve lost a lot of Americans \nand that eventually we would get these people. I felt the anger. Of \ncourse I felt the anger.”\n\nDown in the bunker, Cheney was trying to figure out how many hijacked \nplanes there were. Officials feared there could be as many as 11.\n\nAs the planes track toward Washington, a discussion begins about whether \nto shoot them down. “I discussed it with the president,” Cheney \nrecalls. “‘Are we prepared to order our aircraft to shoot down these \nairliners that have been hijacked?’ He said yes.”\n\n“It was my advice. It was his decision,” says Cheney.\n\n“That’s a sobering moment to order your own combat aircraft to shoot \ndown your own civilian aircraft,” says Bush. “But it was an easy \ndecision to make given the – given the fact that we had learned that a \ncommercial aircraft was being used as a weapon. I say easy decision, it \nwas, I didn’t hesitate, let me put it that way. I knew what had to be \ndone.”\n\nThe passengers on United Flight 93 also knew what had to be done. They \nfought for control and sacrificed themselves in a Pennsylvania meadow. \nThe flight was 15 minutes from Washington.\n\n“Clearly, the terrorists were trying to take out as many symbols of \ngovernment as they could: the Pentagon, perhaps the Capitol, perhaps the \nWhite House. These people saved us not only physically but they saved us \npsychologically and symbolically in a very important way, too,” says \nRice.\n\nMeanwhile, Tower One was weakening. It had stood for an hour and 43 \nminutes. At 10:29 a.m., it buckled in a mirror image of the collapse of \nits twin.\n\nThe image that went round the world reached the First Lady in a secure \nlocation somewhere in Washington. “I was horrified,” she says. “I \nthought, ‘Dear God, protect as many citizens as you can.’ It was a \nnightmare.”\n\nBy 10:30 a.m., America’s largest city was devastated, its military \nheadquarters were burning. Air force One turned west along the Gulf \nCoast.\n\n“I can remember sitting right here in this office thinking about the \nconsequences of what had taken place and realizing it was the defining \nmoment in the history of the United States,” says President Bush. “I \ndidn’t need any legal briefs, I didn’t need any consultations, I knew we \nwere at war.”\n\nMr. Bush says the first hours were frustrating. He watched the \nhorrifying pictures, but the TV signal was breaking up. His calls to \nCheney were cutting out. Mr. Bush says he pounded his desk shouting, \n“This is inexcusable; get me the vice president.”\n\n“I was trying to clear the fog of war, and there is a fog of war, says \nthe president. \"Information was just flying from all directions.”\n\nChief of staff Card brought in the reports. There was word Camp David \nhad been hit. A jet was thought to be targeting Mr. Bush’s ranch.\n\n“I remember hearing that the State Department might have been hit, or \nthat the White House had a fire in it. So we were hearing lots of \ndifferent information,” says Card.\n\nThey also feared that Air Force One itself was a target. Cheney told the \npresident there was a credible threat against the plane. Using the code \nname for Air Force One, Mr. Bush told an aide, “Angel is next.” The \nthreat was passed to presidential pilot Colonel Mark Tillman.\n\n“It was serious before that but now it is -no longer is it a time to get \nthe president home,” Tillman says. “We actually have to consider \neverything we say, everything we do could be intercepted, and we have to \nmake sure that no one knows what our position is.”\n\nTillman asked for an armed guard at his cockpit door while Secret \nService agents double-checked the identity of everyone on board. The \ncrew reviewed the emergency evacuation plan. Then came a warning from \nair traffic control – a suspect airliner was dead ahead.\n\n“Coming out of Sarasota there was one call that said there was an \nairliner off our nose that they did not have contact with,” Tillman \nremembers.\n\nTillman took evasive action, pulling his plane high above normal \ntraffic. They were on course for Washington, but by now no one thought \nthat was a good idea, except the president.\n\n“I wanted to come back to Washington, but the circumstances were such \nthat it was just impossible for the Secret Service or the national \nsecurity team to clear the way for Air Force One to come back,” says \nBush.\n\nSo Air Force One set course for an underground command center in \nNebraska. Back in Washington, the president’s closest advisor, Karen \nHughes, heard about the threat to the plane and placed a call to Mr. \nBush.\n\n“And the military operator came back to me and in a voice that, to me, \nsounded very shaken said, ‘Ma’am, I’m sorry, we can’t reach Air Force \nOne.’” Hughes recalls. Hughes was out of the White House during the \nattacks. When she came back, it was a place she didn’t recognize.\n\n“There were either military, or maybe Secret Service, dressed all in \nblack, holding machine guns as, as we drove up. And I never expected to \nsee something like that in, in our nation's capital,” says Hughes.\n\nWhen she walked into the White House, no one was inside. “I knew it was \na day that you didn't want to surprise anybody, and so I yelled, \n‘Hello?’ and two, again, kind of SWAT team members came running, running \nthrough the, the hall with, again, guns drawn, and then took me to, to \nthe location where I met the vice president.”\n\nOn Air Force One, Col. Tillman had a problem. He needed to hide the most \nvisible plane in the world, a 747 longer than the White House itself. He \ndidn’t want to use his radio, because the hijackers could be listening \nto air traffic control. So he called air traffic control on the \ntelephone.\n\n“We actually didn't tell them our destination or what directions we were \nheading,” says Tillman. “We, we basically just talked to 'em and said, \n'OK, fine, we have no clearance at this time, we are just going to fly \nacross the United States.'”\n\nControllers passed Air Force One from one sector to another, warning \neach other to keep the route secret.\n\n“OK, where’s he going?” one tower radioed to another.\n\n“Just watch him,” a second tower responded. “Don’t question him where’s \nhe's going. Just work him and watch him, there’s no flight plan in and \nwe’re not going to put anything in. Ok, sir?”\n\nAir Force One ordered a fighter escort, and air traffic control radioed \nback: “Air Force One, got two F-16s at about your 10 o’clock position.”\n\n“The staff, and the president and us, were filed out along the outside \nhallway of his presidential cabin there and looking out the windows,” \nsays Bartlett. “And the president gives them a signal of salute, and the \npilot kind of tips his wing, and fades off and backs into formation.”\n\nThe men in the F-16s were Shane Brotherton and Randy Roberts, from the \nTexas Air National Guard. Their mission was so secret their commander \nwouldn’t tell them where they were going.\n\n“He just said, 'You’ll know when you see it,' and that was my first \nclue, I didn’t have any idea what we were going up until that point,” \nsays Brotherton. He knew when he saw it.\n\n“We, we were trying to keep an 80-mile bubble, bubble around Air Force \nOne, and we'd investigate anything that was within 80 miles,” says \nRoberts.\n\nBush says he was not worried about the safety of the people on this \naircraft, or for his own safety: “I looked out the airplane and saw two \nF-16s on each wing. It was going to have to be a pretty good pilot to \nget us.”\n\nWe now know that the threat to Air Force One was part of the fog of war, \na false alarm. But it had a powerful effect at the time. Some wondered, \nwith the president out of sight, was he still running the government? He \nhadn’t appeared after the attack on Washington. Mr. Bush was clearly \nworried about it. At one point he was overheard saying, “The American \npeople want to know where their dang president is.” The staff considered \nan address to the nation by phone but instead Mr. Bush ordered Air Force \nOne to land somewhere within 30 minutes so he could appear on TV. At \n11:45 a.m., they landed at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.\n\n“The resolve of our great nation is being tested. But make no mistake, \nwe will show the world that we will pass this test. God bless,” Bush \nsaid to the nation from Barksdale.\n\nAt Barksdale, the Secret Service believed the situation in Washington \nwas still unsafe. So the plane continued on to Nebraska, to the command \ncenter where Mr. Bush would be secure and have all the communications \ngear he needed to run the government. Aboard Air Force One, Mr. Bush had \na job for press secretary Fleischer.\n\n“The president asked me to make sure that I took down everything that \nwas said. I think he wanted to make certain that a record existed,” says \nFleischer\n\nFleischer’s notes capture Mr. Bush’s language, plain and unguarded. To \nthe vice president he said: “We’re at war, Dick, we’re going to find out \nwho did this and kick their ass.” Another time, Mr. Bush said, “We’re \nnot going to have any slap-on-the-wrist crap this time.”\n\nThe President adds, “I can remember telling the Secretary of Defense, I \nsaid, ‘We’re going to find out who did this and then Mr. Secretary, you \nand Dick Myers,’ who we just named as chairman of the joint chiefs, ‘are \ngoing to go get them.’”\n\nBy 3 p.m., Air Force One touched down at Offutt Air Force Base in \nNebraska. Mr. Bush and his team were herded into a small brick hut that \ngave no hint of what they would find below.\n\nAt the bottom of the stairs was the U.S. Strategic Command Underground \nCommand Center. It was built to transmit a president’s order to go to \nnuclear war. But when Mr. Bush walked in, the battle staff was watching \nthe skies over the United States. Many airplanes had still not landed. \nAfter a short briefing, Mr. Bush and Card were taken to a teleconference \ncenter which connected them to the White House, the Pentagon, the FBI \nand the CIA. Mr. Bush had a question for his CIA Director George Tenent.\n\nAccording to Rice, Bush asked Tenent who had done this. Rice recalls \nthat Tenent answered: “Sir, I believe its al Qaeda. We’re doing the \nassessment but it looks like, it feels like, it smells like al Qaeda.”\n\nThe evidence would build. FBI Director Robert Mueller says that an \nessential clue came from one of the hijacked planes before it crashed.\n\nA flight attendant on American Flight 11, Amy Sweeney, had the presence \nof mind to call her office as the plane was hijacked and give them the \nseat numbers of the hijackers. “That was the first piece of hard \nevidence. We could then go to the manifest, find out who was sitting in \nthose seats and immediately conduct an investigation of those \nindividuals, as opposed to taking all the passengers on the plane and \ngoing through a process of elimination,” says Mueller.\n\nIn Nebraska, the White House staff was preparing for an address to the \nnation from the Air Force bunker, but by then the president had had \nenough. He decided to come back.\n\n“At one point, he said he didn’t want any tinhorn terrorist keeping him \nout of Washington,” Fleischer says. “That verbatim.”\n\nOn board, he was already thinking of issuing an ultimatum to the world: \n“I had time to think and a couple of thoughts emerged. One was that \nyou're guilty if you harbor a terrorist, because I knew these terrorists \nlike al-Qaeda liked to prey on weak government and weak people. The \nother thought that came was the opportunity to fashion a vast coalition \nof countries that would either be with us or with the terrorists.”\n\nAs Air Force One sped east, the last casualty of the attack on America \ncollapsed, one of the nation’s worst days wore into evening. At the \nWorld Trade Center, 2,801 were killed; at the Pentagon, 184; and in \nPennsylvania 40. Altogether, there were 3,025 dead.\n\n“Anybody who would attack America the way they did, anybody who would \ntake innocent life the way they did, anybody who's so devious, is evil,” \nBush said recently.\n\nMr. Bush would soon see that evil face to face. After arriving in \nWashington, he boarded his helicopter and flew past the Pentagon on the \nway to the White House.\n\nWas there a time when he was afraid that there might not be a White \nHouse to return to? “I don’t remember thinking about whether or not the \nWhite House would have been obliterated,\" he recalls. \"I think I might \nhave thought they took their best shot, and now it was time for us to \ntake our best shot.”\n\nMr. Bush arrived back at the White House nine hours after the attacks. \nHis next step was an address to the nation. Karen Hughes and her staff \nwere already working on the speech.\n\n“He decided that the primary tone he wanted to strike that night was \nreassurance,” remembers Hughes. “We had to show resolve, we had to \nreassure people, we had to let them know that we would be OK.”\n\nJust off the Oval Office, Mr. Bush added the words that would become \nknown as the Bush Doctrine - no distinction between terrorists and those \nwho harbor them. The staff wanted to add a declaration of war but Mr. \nBush didn’t think the American people wanted to hear it that night and \nhe was emphatic about that.\n\nHe prepared to say it from the same desk where Franklin Roosevelt first \nheard the news of Pearl Harbor. Now Bush was commander in chief. Eighty \nmillion Americans were watching.\n\n“Today our fellow citizens, our way of life, our very freedom came under \nattack in a series of deliberate and deadly terrorist acts,” he said \nfrom the Oval Office that night.\n\nThe Oval Office speech came at the end of the bloodiest day in American \nhistory since the Civil War. Before he walked to the White House \nresidence for the night, Mr. Bush dictated these words for the White \nHouse daily log: “The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century took place today. \nWe think it's Osama bin Laden.”\n\n(CBS) When Sept. 12 dawned, President Bush was demanding a war plan. No \none in the White House or the Pentagon could be sure of what the \npresident would do. In office for just eight months, he’d never been \ntested as commander-in-chief.\n\n“I never asked them what they thought,” President Bush said of the \nPentagon brass, “because I didn’t really – because I knew what I was \ngonna do. I knew exactly what had to be done, Scott. And that was to set \na strategy to seek justice. Find out who did it, hunt them down and \nbring them to justice.”\n\nIn the cabinet room, the president made clear what was next: “The \ndeliberate and deadly attacks which were carried out yesterday against \nour country were more than acts of terror, they were acts of war,” he \nsaid.\n\nTo the war cabinet, al Qaeda was no surprise. National Security Advisor \nCondoleezza Rice says the administration had been at work on a plan to \nstrike bin Laden’s organization well before Sept. 11.\n\n“The president said, ‘You know I’m tired of swatting at flies, I need a \nstrategy to eliminate these guys,’” Rice recalls.\n\nIn one of the worst intelligence failures ever, the CIA and FBI didn’t \npick up clues that an attack in the United States was imminent. Without \na sense of urgency, the White House strategy the president had asked for \ncame too late.\n\nChief of Staff Andrew Card recalls that the plan Mr. Bush had asked for \nwas “literally headed to the president’s desk, I think, on the eleventh, \ntenth or eleventh, of September.”\n\nOn Sept. 12, the war cabinet was debating the full range of options - \nwho to hit and how to hit them. There were some at the Pentagon who \nworried in the early hours that Mr. Bush would order up an immediate \ncruise missile strike, of the kind that had not deterred bin Laden in \nthe past.\n\n“Well, there’s a lot of nervous Nellies at the Pentagon, anyway,” Mr. \nBush tells Pelley. “A lot of people like to chatter, you know, more than \nthey should. But no, I appreciate that very much. Secretary of Defense \n(Donald) Rumsfeld early on discussed the idea of making sure we had what \nwe called ‘boots on the ground.’ That if you’re gonna go to war, then \nyou’ve gotta go to war with all your assets.”\n\nThe president says he wanted to “fight and win a guerilla war with \nconventional means.”\n\nIt was an innovative but risky idea being proposed by CIA Director \nGeorge Tenent. Tenent wanted to combine American technology and \nintelligence with the brute force of Afghan fighters hostile to the \nTaliban government.\n\nSecretary of State Colin Powell, noting that the CIA had already \ndeveloped a long relationship with the Afghan resistance, called it an \nunconventional solution to an unconventional problem.\n\n“As I like to describe it to my friends,” Powell says, “we had on the \nground a Fourth World army riding horses and living in tents with some \nCIA and special forces with them and we had a First World air force, the \nbest in the world. How do you connect it all?”\n\nThe president gave them 48 hours to figure it out.\n\nMeanwhile, Mr. Bush went to the battlefield himself. Just the day \nbefore, he had called the Pentagon the “mightiest building in the \nworld.” Now one-fifth of it was in ruins. The wreckage of American \nFlight 77 was being examined by Navy investigators. And before Mr. Bush \nleft, he made a point of speaking personally with the team recovering \nthe remains of the first casualties of war on his watch.\nThe next day, Sept. 13, there was another warning of attack that the \npublic never heard about. Threats had been were coming in constantly but \nthis one sounded credible: a large truck bomb headed to the White House. \nThe Secret Service wanted the president back in the bunker.\n\n“He wasn’t real receptive to that, to that recommendation,” remembers \nBrian Stafford, director of the Secret Service. “And he ordered a \nhamburger and said he was going to stay in the White House that evening \nand that’s what he did.”\n\nThe next day, would be one of the longest and the most difficult for the \npresident. On Friday, Sept. 14, Mr. Bush started the day with a cabinet \nmeeting, but he wept when he walked in and was surprised by applause.\n\n“He sat down, slightly overcome, for a moment but he recaptured it,” \nsays Powell who remembers being worried that the president might have \ntrouble getting through his speech at the national memorial service \nlater that morning.\n\n“And I just scribbled a little note to him,” Powell recalls, “and I \nsaid, ‘Mr. President, I’ve learned over the years when you are going to \ngive a very emotional speech, watch out for certain words that will \ncause you to start to tear up.’ He looked at me and he smiled and then \nat the next break in the conversation he said, ‘The Secretary of State \ntold me not to break down at the memorial service,’ and that broke the \ntension and everybody started laughing and I felt embarrassed.”\n\nFirst Lady Laura Bush was involved in planning the memorial service and \nshe says she wanted it to be both dignified and comforting. “I wanted \nthe Psalms and everything to be read to be comforting, because I think \nwe were a country, that needed, everyone of us, needed comforting.”\n\nIt also stirred the mourners’ resolve, as Rice remember. “As we stood to \nsing the Battle Hymn of the Republic,” she says, “you could feel the \nentire congregation and I could certainly feel myself stiffen, the kind \nof spine, and this deep sadness was being replaced by resolve.\n\n“We all felt that we still had mourning to do for our countrymen who had \nbeen lost but that we also had a new purpose in not just avenging what \nhad happened to them but making certain that the world was eventually \ngoing to be safe from this kind of attack ever again.”\n\nNext came a visit to ground zero. The president was not prepared for \nwhat he encountered there.\n\n“You couldn’t brief me, you couldn’t brief anybody on ground zero until \nyou saw it,\" Mr. Bush says. “It was like – it was ghostly. Like you’re \nhaving a bad dream and you’re walking through the dream.”\n\nThe president found the scene very powerful, particularly when the men \nand women at ground zero began to chant, “USA! USA!.”\n\n“There was a lot of bloodlust,” the president recalls. “People were, you \nknow, pointing their big old hands at me saying, ‘Don’t you ever forget \nthis, Mr. President. Don’t let us down.’ The scene was very powerful. \nVery powerful.”\n\nWhen Mr. Bush tried to speak, the crowd kept shouting, “We can’t hear \nyou.”\n\nThe president responded, “I can hear you. I can hear you. The rest of \nthe world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down \nwill hear all of us soon.”\n\nMr. Bush had been in New York just a few weeks before; he’d posed with \nthe firemen who always stood by whenever the president’s helicopter \nlanded there. Now, five of the men who stood with the president in the \npicture were dead – lost at ground zero.\n\nWhen the president arrived Sept. 14, Manhattan was papered with the \nfaces of the lost. Families, unable to believe that so many had vanished \nin an instant, held onto the hope that their loved ones were just \nmissing. It was a place where a child comforted a grieving mother.\n\nAt a meeting the public never saw, the president spoke with several \nhundred of these families in a convention hall.\n\n“People said to me, ‘He’ll come out. Don’t worry, Mr. president, we’ll \nsee him soon. I know my loved one, he will - he’ll find a place to \nsurvive underneath the rubble and we’ll get him out.’ I, on the other \nhand had been briefed about the realities, and my job was to hug and \ncry, but I remember the whole time thinking, ‘This is incredibly sad \nbecause the loved ones won’t come out.’”\n\nOne little boy handed the president a picture of his father in his \nfirefighter uniform and as he signed it, Mr. Bush remembers, he told the \nboy, “Your daddy won’t believe that I was here, so you show him that \nautograph.”\n\nIt was an effort “to provide a little hope,” the president recalls. “I \nstill get emotional thinking about it because we’re dealing with people \nwho loved their dads or loved their mom, or loved their…wives who loved \ntheir husbands. It was a tough time, you know, it was a tough time for \nall of us because we were a very emotional, and I was emotional at \ntimes. I felt, I felt the same now as I did then, which is sad. And I \nstill feel sad for those who grieve for their families, but through my \ntears, I see opportunity.”\n\nThe president was supposed to be with the families for about 30 minutes; \nhe stayed for two and a half hours. It was there he met Arlene Howard. \nThe body of her son, George, was among the first to be found at ground \nzero.\n\n“I called the police department,” Howard remembers, “ and they said he \nhadn’t called in for roll call and to call back in an hour and I said, \n‘No, I don’t need to call back.’ If he hadn’t called in, I knew where he \nwas.”\n\nGeorge Howard had rescued children trapped in an elevator back in 1993 \nwhen the World Trade Center was bombed. He had been off duty that day, \nand he was off duty on Sept. 11, but couldn’t stay away. The police \ndepartment gave his badge to his mother and she gave it to the president.\n\n“He (the president) he leaned over to talk to me,” Howard recalls. “And \nhe extends his sympathy to me and that’s when I asked him I’d like to \npresent George’s shield to him in honor of all the men and women who \nwere killed over there.”\n\nBy the end of that day, Mr. Bush flew to Camp David visibly drained.\n\n“He was physically exhausted, he was mentally exhausted, he was \nemotionally exhausted, he was spiritually exhausted,” recalls Card..\n\nThe next day – Saturday, Sept. 15 - Mr. Bush met members of his war \ncabinet at the presidential retreat for a last decisive meeting.\n\n“My message is for everybody who wears the uniform – get ready. The \nUnited States will do what it takes,” Mr. Bush told them.\n\nAs Powell remembers it, “He was encouraging us to think boldly. He was \nlistening to all ideas; he was not constrained to any one idea; he \nwanted to hear his advisors talk and argue and debate with each other.”\n\nPresident Bush was pleased with the progress that had been made. “On the \nother hand,” he says, “I wanted to clarify plans and I went around the \nroom and I asked everybody what they thought ought to happen.”\n\nWhen he left that meeting on Saturday night, he still had not told the \ncabinet what he was planning.\n\n“I wanted to just think it through,” Mr. Bush remembers. “Any time you \ncommit troops to harm’s way, a president must make sure that he fully \nunderstands all the consequences and ramifications. And I wanted to just \nspend some time on it alone. And did.”\n\nWhat were his reservations?\n\nMr. Bush says, “Could we win? I didn’t want to be putting our troops in \nthere unless I was certain we could win. And I was certain we could win.”\n\nNine days after the attacks on America, before a joint session of \nCongress the president committed the nation to the war on terror.\n\n“Each of us will remember what happened that day and to whom it \nhappened,” Mr. Bush told the Congress and the nation. “We’ll remember \nthe moment the news came, where we were and what we were doing. Some \nwill remember an image of a fire or a story of rescue. Some will carry \nmemories of a face and a voice gone forever. And I will carry this. It \nis the police shield of a man named George Howard, who died at the World \nTrade Center trying to save others. It was given to me by his mom, \nArlene, as a proud memorial to her son. It is my reminder of lives that \nended and a task that does not end.”\n\nA year has passed since then, but the president says his job is still to \nremind Americans of what happened and of the war that is still being \nwaged, a war he reminds himself of every day in the Oval Office, \nliterally keeping score, one terrorist at a time.\n\nIn his desk, the president says, “I have a classified document that \nmight have some pictures on there, just to keep reminding me about who’s \nout there, where they might be”\n\nAnd as the terrorists are captures or killed? “I might make a little \ncheck there, yeah,” Mr. Bush admits.\n\nBut there is no check by the name that must be on the top of that list – \nOsama bin Laden.\n\n(CBS) A lot has happened in the year since Sept. 11. One year ago, the \npresident was new on the job, with little experience in foreign policy. \nHe had wanted to pull the military back from foreign entanglements. Now, \non his orders, U.S. forces are engaged around the globe in a war he did \nnot expect, in a world completely changed. In the Oval Office last week, \nCBS News Correspondent Scott Pelley asked the president about Iraq, \nabout whether Americans are safe at home and about Osama bin Laden.\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\nScott Pelley: You must be frustrated, maybe angry. After a year, we \nstill don’t have Osama Bin Laden?\n\nPresident Bush: How do you know that? I don’t know whether Osama bin \nLaden is dead or alive. I don’t know that. He’s not leading a lot of \nparades. And he’s not nearly the hero that a lot of people thought he \nwas. This is much bigger than one person anyway. This is — we’re slowly \nbut surely dismantling and disrupting the al Qaeda network that, that \nhates America. And we will stay on task until we complete the task. I \nalways knew this was a different kind of war, Scott. See, in the old \ndays, you measure the size and the strength of the enemy by counting his \ntanks or his airplanes and his ships. This is an international manhunt. \nWe’re after these people one at the time. They’re killers. Period.\n\nPelley: But have you won the war before you find Osama bin Laden dead or \nalive?\n\nMr. Bush: If he were dead, there’s somebody else to replace him. And we \nwould find that person. But slowly but surely, we will dismantle the al \nQaeda network. And those who sponsor them and those who harbor them. And \nat the same time, hopefully lay the seeds for, the conditions necessary \nso that people don’t feel like they’ve got to conduct terror to achieve \nobjectives.\n\nPelley: Do you look back on the Afghan campaign with any doubts? \nCertainly, we’ve overthrown the Taliban government. Certainly, al Qaeda \nhas been scattered. But some of the Taliban leaders appear to have \ngotten away. And there have been many civilian casualties as well.\n\nMr. Bush: Uh huh. Well, you know, I am sad that civilians lost their \nlife. But I understand war. We did everything we can to — everything we \ncould to protect people. When civilians did die, it was because of a \nmistake. Certainly not because of intention. We liberated a country for \nwhich I’m extremely proud. No, — I don’t second guess things. It’s — \nthings never go perfect in a time of war.\n\nPelley: Are you committed to ending the rule of Saddam Hussein?\n\nMr. Bush: I’m committed to regime change.\n\nPelley: There are those who have been vocal in their advice against war \nin Iraq. Some of our allies in the Gulf War, Saudi Arabia, Turkey for \nexample. Even your father’s former national security advisor, Mr. \nScowcroft has written about it in the paper. What is it in your \nestimation that they don’t understand about the Iraq question that you \ndo appreciate?\n\nMr. Bush: The policy of the government is regime change, Scott, hasn’t \nchanged. I get all kinds of advice. I’m listening to the advice. I \nappreciate the consultations. And we’ll consult with a lot of people but \nour policy hasn’t changed.\n\nPelley: On Air Force One you described the terrorists as evil.\n\nMr. Bush: Yeah.\n\nPelley: I don’t think anyone would disagree with that, but at the same \ntime, many in the Arab world are angry at the United States for \npolitical reasons because of our policy in Israel or our troops in the \noil region of the Middle East. Is there any change in foreign policy \nthat you’re considering that might reduce Arab anger against the United \nStates.\n\nMr. Bush: Hmm. Well, I’m working for peace in the Middle East. I’m the \nfirst president that ever went to the United Nations and publicly \ndeclared the need to have a Palestinian state living side-by-side with \nIsrael in peace. I’ve made it clear that in order for there to be peace \nthe Palestinians have gotta to get some leadership that renounces terror \nand believes in peaces and quits using the Palestinian people as pawns. \nI've also made it clear to the other Arab nations in the region that \nthey’ve got responsibilities. If you want peace they gotta work toward \nit. We’re more than willing to work for it, but they have to work for it \nas well. But all this business isn’t going to happen as long as a few \nare willing to blow up the hopes of many. So we all gotta work to fight \noff terror.\n\nPelley: Arafat has to go?\n\nMr. Bush: Either, he’s, he’s been a complete failure as far as I am \nconcerned. Utter disappointment.\n\nPelley: There has been some concern over the year about civil liberties.\n\nMr. Bush: Yeah…\n\nPelley: In fact, an appeals court recently was harsh about your \nadministration’s decision to close certain deportation hearings. They \nsaid, quote, “A government operating in secrecy stands in opposition to \nthe Constitution.” Where do you draw the line sir?\n\nMr. Bush: I draw the line at the Constitution. We will protect America. \nBut we will do so on, within the guidelines of the Constitution, \nconfines of the Constitution, spirit of the Constitution.\n\nPelley: Is there anything that the Justice Department has brought to you \nas an idea that you’ve thought, “No, that’s too far. I don’t wanna go…\"\n\nMr. Bush: Nah, not that that I remember. And I am pleased with the \nJustice Department. I think that Attorney General’s doing a fine job, by \nthe way...and to the extent that our courts are willing to make sure \nthat they review decisions we make, I think that’s fine. I mean, that’s \ngood. It’s healthy. It’s part of America.\n\nPelley: Franklin Roosevelt said that America should stand in defense of \nfour freedoms. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from want \nand freedom from fear. Do we have that today Mr. President? Freedom from \nfear?\n\nMr. Bush: I think more than we did, in retrospect. The fact that we are \non alert, the fact that we understand the new circumstances makes us \nmore free from fear than on that fateful day of September the 11th. \nWe’ve got more work to do.\n\nPelley: And Americans should not live their lives in fear?\n\nMr. Bush: I don’t think so. No. I think Americans oughta know their \ngovernment’s doing everything possible to help. And obviously if we get \ninformation that relates directly a particular attack we’ll deal with \nit. And if we get noise that deals with a general attack, we’ll alert \npeople. There are a lot of good folks working hard to disrupt and deny \nand run down leads. And the American people need to go about their \nlives. It seems like they are.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 12:22, Dave Long wrote:\n> <http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/archives/000393.html>\n> \n> > ... randomising letters in the middle of words [has] little or no\n> > effect on the ability of skilled readers to understand the text. This\n> > is easy to denmtrasote. In a pubiltacion of New Scnieitst you could\n> > ramdinose all the letetrs, keipeng the first two and last two the same,\n> > and reibadailty would hadrly be aftcfeed. My ansaylis did not come\n> > to much beucase the thoery at the time was for shape and senqeuce\n> > retigcionon. Saberi's work sugsegts we may have some pofrweul palrlael\n> > prsooscers at work. The resaon for this is suerly that idnetiyfing\n> > coentnt by paarllel prseocsing speeds up regnicoiton. We only need\n> > the first and last two letetrs to spot chganes in meniang.\n\n\nI'm working with an experimental text recognition/processing engine that\nexhibits similar characteristics. It can read right through\nmisspellings like the above without any difficulty. And as the author\nabove suggested, the pattern matching is inherently parallel internally.\n\nIf the text recognition algorithm/architecture humans use is anything\nlike the algorithm/structure we've been working with, the reason the\nfirst letter (and to a lesser extent, the last letter) is important is\nthat without it the text pattern recognition problem is exponentially\nmore difficult (from a theoretical standpoint anyway) and has to be\nresolved using deeper abstraction analysis. The middle letters are far\nless important and computationally much easier to resolve correctly. \n\nCheers,\n\n-James Rogers\n [email protected]\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> If the text recognition algorithm/architecture humans use is anything\n> like the algorithm/structure we've been working with, the reason the\n> first letter (and to a lesser extent, the last letter) is important is\n> that without it the text pattern recognition problem is exponentially\n> more difficult (from a theoretical standpoint anyway) and has to be\n> resolved using deeper abstraction analysis. The middle letters are far\n> less important and computationally much easier to resolve correctly.\n\nI think keeping the number of middle letters consistent with the correct\nspelling is important. Would be interesting to see if this same effect is\napplicable to written forms of other languages, maybe even Japanese romongi.\n\nBill\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"The USAF had a program in the 1959-1960 in which successful free jumps \nwere made from balloons at up to ~32 km (100,000 ft.). The relevance was \nastronauts and SR-71 bailouts. This would top that achievement \ncomfortably.\n\nhttp://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwii/pe.htm\n\nChuck\n\nOn Monday, September 9, 2002, at 11:20 AM, Owen Byrne wrote:\n\n> John Hall wrote:\n>\n>> Why so fast? Normal terminal velocity is much slower.\n>>\n> Not at 40,000 m. I found this article \n> (http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,53928,00.html) :\n>\n> \"The last person to try to break the highest free fall record died in \n> the attempt. In 1965, New Jersey truck driver Nick Piantanida suffered \n> catastrophic equipment failure when his facemask blew out at 57,000 \n> feet. Lack of oxygen caused such severe brain damage that he went into \n> a coma and died four months later.\"\n>\n> And in amongst the flash at\n> http://www.legrandsaut.org/site_en/\n>\n> you can discover that he will break the sound barrier at 35,000 m,\n> presumably reaching top speed somewhere above 30,000.\n>\n> Owen\n>\n>>\n>>> -----Original Message-----\n>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of\n>>> [email protected]\n>>> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:36 AM\n>>> To: (Robert Harley)\n>>> Cc: [email protected]\n>>> Subject: Re: The Big Jump\n>>>\n>>>\n>>>\n>>> So uh, would this qualify for the Darwin awards if he doesn't make it?\n>>>\n>>> Freaking french people...\n>>> :-)\n>>> -BB\n>>> RH> Today a French officer called Michel Fournier is supposed to get\n>>>\n>> in a\n>>\n>>> RH> 350-metre tall helium balloon, ride it up to the edge of space (40\n>>>\n>> km\n>>\n>>> RH> altitude) and jump out. His fall should last 6.5 minutes and\n>>>\n>> reach\n>>\n>>> RH> speeds of Mach 1.5. He hopes to open his parachute manually at\n>>>\n>> the\n>>\n>>> RH> end, although with an automatic backup if he is 7 seconds from the\n>>> RH> ground and still hasn't opened it.\n>>>\n>>> RH> R\n>>>\n>>> RH> ObQuote:\n>>> RH> \"Vederò, si averò si grossi li coglioni, come ha il re di\n>>>\n>> Franza.\"\n>>\n>>> RH> (\"Let's see if I've got as much balls as the King of France!\")\n>>> RH> - Pope Julius II, 2 January 1511\n>>>\n>>>\n>>>\n>>> --\n>>> Best regards,\n>>> bitbitch mailto:[email protected]\n>>>\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>\n>\n>\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"The usual crud. Why do morons ranting and beating their chests in the\nNational Review (or similar rags) merit FoRKing?\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"the doctor wears many hats, including but not limited to a rubber skullcap\nfor playing water polo, a beret for making sparkling wines, and an oversized\nfedora to deflect his own cigar smoke, which he regularly blows up my ...\n\n<cough>\ngeege\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jim\nWhitehead\nSent: Monday, September 16, 2002 2:08 PM\nTo: FoRK\nSubject: RE: introductions\n\n\n> Aren't you Dr. Gregory A. Bolcer, Dutch Uncle of P2P?\n\nI thought he was Greg Bolcer, recovering XPilot & Doom junkie...\n\n- Jim\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n--- begin forwarded text\n\n\nStatus: RO\nDate: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:57:27 -0700\nTo: [email protected]\nFrom: Phil Duncan <[email protected]>\nSubject: <nettime> The War Prayer\nSender: [email protected]\nReply-To: Phil Duncan <[email protected]>\n\nThe following prayer is from a story by Mark Twain, and was quoted by Lewis\nLaphan in the October issue of Harper's magazine. It occurs at the very end\nof an excellent article which I recommend to you.\n\nIn the story, an old man enters a church where the congregation has been\nlistening to an heroic sermon about \"the glory to be won in battle by young\npatriots armed with the love of God.\" He usurps the pulpit and prays the\nfollowing:\n\n\"O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreads with our\nshells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their\npatriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of\ntheir wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with\na hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows\nwith unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little\nchildren to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and\nhunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of\nwinter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of\nthe grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their\nhopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their\nsteps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood\nof their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the\nSource of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that\nare sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.\"\n\nTwain wrote the story, \"The War Prayer,\" in 1905 during the American\noccupation of the Philippines, but the story wasn't printed until 1923,\nthirteen years after his death, because the editors thought it \"unsuitable\"\nfor publication at the time it was written.\n\n# distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission\n# <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism,\n# collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n# more info: [email protected] and \"info nettime-l\" in the msg body\n# archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected]\n\n--- end forwarded text\n\n\n-- \n-----------------\nR. A. Hettinga <mailto: [email protected]>\nThe Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>\n44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA\n\"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,\n[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to\nexperience.\" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"http://spineless.org/~mod/pix/octoberMoon.jpg\n-- \n#ken\tP-)}\n\nKen Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/\nAuthor, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/\n\n\"Millennium hand and shrimp!\"\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Chuck Murcko wrote:\n> > The usual crud. Why do morons ranting and beating their chests in the\n> > National Review (or similar rags) merit FoRKing?\n> Probably because we have this pesky 1st Amendment thing here. [...]\n\nIt must be so great in the US. The rest of us live in caves and have\nno such thing as free speech.\n \nBTW, I wasn't aware that the 1st Amendment mandated that crap must be FoRKed.\n\n\n> You can just ignore it if you wish.\n\nI will, thanks.\n\n\n> But I must feel obligated to defend to the death your right to do so.\n\n«Je désapprouve ce que vous dites, mais je défendrai jusqu'à ma mort votre\ndroit de le dire»\n- Arouet Le Jeune, dit «Voltaire» (1694-1778).\n\n\nR\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 10:19:13AM -0700, Chuck Murcko wrote:\n> Probably because we have this pesky 1st Amendment thing here. Still, \n> lots of us in the States have developed a disturbing tendency to shout \n> down or (in recent years) shackle in legal BS opinions, thoughts, and \n> individual behaviors we don't agree with.\n> \n\nExcept that parroting the party line doesn't really require much\nfreedom of speech. Now if you had posted something from a left of\ncenter source, you would have been shouted down in flames, buried in \nad hominem attacks, and probably get your name added to an FBI list. \n\n \nBesides the basic rule in the United States now is \"I'll defend your\nrights to say anything you want, but if it isn't appropriately\nneoconish, well, don't expect to work\":\n\n\nHHS Seeks Science Advice to Match Bush Views\n\nBy Rick Weiss\nWashington Post Staff Writer\nTuesday, September 17, 2002; Page A01\n\nThe Bush administration has begun a broad restructuring of the\nscientific advisory committees that guide federal policy in areas such\nas patients' rights and public health, eliminating some committees\nthat were coming to conclusions at odds with the president's views and\nin other cases replacing members with handpicked choices. \n...\nhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26554-2002Sep16.html\n\nOwen\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 11:16, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:\n> >>>>> \"J\" == Justin Mason <[email protected]> writes:\n> \n> J> What about Tibetan Buddhism BTW? They seem like an awfully\n> J> nice bunch of chaps (and chapesses).\n> \n> Yes, them too. When wolves attack their sheep, they coral the wolf\n> into a quarry and then throw rocks from the surrounding cliffs so\n> that \"no one will know who killed the wolf\"\n> \n> In Samskar, before the Chinese arrived, there had not been a killing\n> in over 2000 years, and the last recorded skirmish, over rights to\n> a water hole, had happened several generations ago.\n\n\nI'm skeptical. \n\nOne of the many perversions of modern civilization is the fictitious\nrendering of various peoples, frequently to the point where the fiction\nis more \"real\" than the reality. You see it over and over again in\nhistory: The Primitive People pull a fast one on Whitey The Junior\nAnthropologist, playing to all the prejudices of Whitey (who only became\nJunior Anthropologists to support personal ideologies), and before you\nknow it the charade takes on a life of its own which the Primitive\nPeople are compelled to perpetuate. Worse, even when there is\nsubstantial evidence to the contrary with some basic scholarship, the\nfacts have a hard time competing with the ideologically pleasing fiction\nthat is already firmly entrenched. And many peoples (e.g. American\nIndians) develop a profit motive for maintaining and promoting the myth\nin popular culture.\n\nI'm far more inclined to believe that people is people, no matter where\nyou are on the planet. The only time you see any anomalies is when you\nhave a self-selecting sub-population within an otherwise normal\npopulation, which is hardly a fair way to look at any major population.\n\n-James Rogers\n [email protected]\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: \"Luis Villa\" <[email protected]>\n\n>\n> They were the ruling class of a feudal, farming society for quite some\n> time; I believe there were more than a few issues there. Certainly, not\n> everyone in Tibet is as excited about the Dalai Lama as Hollywood\n> appears to be. [Not that the Chinese are much better rights-wise, but\n> they've actually built roads and such, which led to the creation of\n> merchant classes and the like that never existed under the Tibetans.]\nAnd it's not /going/ to exist under the Tibetans, because it'll be owned and\noperated by Chinese nationals.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"At Fermi (yes I'm back there; long story), we're buying 4U systems like \nthe fiscal year is ending. We have ~20 ASA IR4US1 systems (not pushing \nthem, there are some other similar units available), with 60 more on \norder. They're 2-1/2 TB for $10K, although we add a separate IDE or \nSCSI system disk, because the 3Ware RAID controllers can saturate. \nIntel SDS2 motherboard, 2 1.4GHz P3s, 2 GB ram, 2 3Ware 7850 Raid \ncontrollers, 16 160GB Maxtors, SysKonnect gigabit enet, Fermi RedHat 7.3.\n\nhttp://www.asacomputers.com/cgi-bin/index.fcg?action=displayscreen&templateid=25\n\nThere's some interesting info at:\n\nhttp://mit.fnal.gov/~msn/cdf/caf/server_evaluation.html\n\nWe've decided to go with XFS (which Linus has just merged into the 2.5 \ntree), mostly because none of the other journaled fs's can maintain >30 \nGB/s rates with a nearly full filesystem (mostly GB files) with random \ndeletions (we use these systems for caching our 2 petabyte tape store). \n Ext3 almost did it but dropped from from ~38MB/s to 10 with random \ndeletions, and didn't want to do direct io at all. Only concern is an \noccasional system lock-up we haven't chased down yet. A load avg > 100 \nis always a patio of fun.\n\nOddly, even fairly beefy systems like these will breathe hard to keep up \nwith the new STK 9940B tape drives, which crank along at a steady \n30GB/s. And you oldforktimers will remember \"doofus\" my old file server \nsystem. It would only take 2.1\" of rackspace now, instead of 14 racks.\n\nCheers,\nWayne\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\"Adam L. Beberg\" wrote:\n> So, who has done RSA implementation before?\n\n/me raises hand.\n\n\n> Having a typo-I-cant-spot problem with my CRT...\n\nSend me the source.\n\n\nR\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Well I don't think China could force Yahoo! to give up info. So if they \nare so willing to give it, why wouldn't they be willing to give info to \nsome silly group who may one day decide to get a hair up their ass about \nthe practice of BDSMers? (not to mention folks who don't even practice, \nbut who are just interested in information) What about folks who are \ninterested in talking about software security issues? Didja read about \nthe guy in China who got 11 years for downloading and printing out pro-democracy \ninfo?\nhttp://www.democracy.org.hk/EN/2002/aug/news_04.html\nI'm confused about what you're confused about.\nCindy\n\nOn 18 Sep 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:\n\n> \n> I'm a bit confused about this boycott thing. How is what China is\n> doing any different than having Scientology and who ever else\n> state-side who takes the whim evoking the DMCA to close down foreign\n> sites they deem inappropriate? At least the Chinese make it voluntary\n> and ask politely, rather than just sending legal musclemen first off.\n> \n> \n\n-- \n\"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway\" --Huckleberry Finn\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Gordon Mohr quoted:\n># French Writer Tried As Anti-Islam, Protest Erupts\n># By Caroline Brothers\n>#\n># PARIS (Reuters) - Provocative French novelist Michel Houellebecq\n># faced a Paris court on Tuesday for allegedly inciting racial hatred\n># by calling Islam \"the stupidest religion\" and its holy book the\n># Koran a depressing read.\n>#\n># The case, brought against him by four Muslim groups, is a cause\n># celebre reminiscent of the Salman Rushdie affair, pitting freedom of\n># expression against religious sensitivities.\n\nVery reminiscent indeed. Ayatollah Chirac has decreed a death\nsentence on Houellebecq and liked-minded fundamentalists have offered\nmillions of euros bounty for his head, so he has gone into hiding\nunder police protection for a few years.\n\nOr maybe some handful of Muslims are acting uppity and dragging him to\ncourt under \"hate speech\" laws make a point about people not showin'\ndem da massive respect dat dey deserve, especially these days.\n\nOr maybe some journo is trying to fill column inches on a boring day.\n\n\nBTW I read Houellebecq's \"Extension du domaine de la lutte\" recently,\nabout a depressed computer services dude working in Paris, looking for\nlove and not finding it, slowing losing his marbles and trying to get\na friend of his to kill a woman, and ending up in a clinic for\nnutcases... Yikes! Purposely provocative, very depressing, with some\nunbelievably boring passages where the anti-hero writes little stories\nabout animals talking philosophical mumbo-jumbo to each other, quoted\ninline in full for pages on end.\n\nIt starts out:\n\n\"On Friday evening, I was invited to a party with some colleagues from\nwork. There were about thrity of us, all professionals aged from\ntwenty-five to forty. At one point, some cunt started getting\nundressed. She took off her T-shirt, then her bra, then her skirt, all\nthe while making unbelievable faces. She pranced around for a few\nseconds, then she started getting dresesd again because she didn't\nknow what else to do. Anyway she never sleeps with anyone. Which\nunderlines the absurdity of her behaviour.\n\nAfter my fourth glass of vodka I started to feel pretty bad so I had\nto go lie down on a bunch of cushions behind the couch. Shortly after\nthat, two girls came and sat on the couch. Those girls are not pretty\nat all, the two fat office cows actually. They go to eat together and\nread books about the development of language in children, all that\nsort of stuff.\"\n\n... and it's downhill from there!\n\n\nR\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom wrote:\n\n> The others are on mailing list only status for now. A few of the\n> groups I was in that are run by others are harder to deal with since\n> many folks just dont want to have to deal with the inconvienence of a\n> understanding.\n\nI've terminated a number of my own mailing lists at yahoogroups many\nmonths ago because of similiar sentiments. I've tried lobbying other\npeople to move, but with about zero success.\n\nI've got currently only one own mailing list there, which I'm going to\nmove as soon as it is technically possible (which is my ISP's problem,\nbasically). After that, I intend to kick yahoogroups for good.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote:\n\n--]Church, AA, same diff?\n\nAA is sort of church with ashtrays.\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"less obscure haiku \n\nbuy a puppy, ro!\nthey are chick magnets. master\nventriloquism.\n\ngg\n\n\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Tom\nSent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:13 PM\nTo: R. A. Hettinga\nCc: [email protected]\nSubject: Re: AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks\n\n\nOn Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote:\n--]AA Meetings the Hottest Place to Meet Women With Big Bucks\n\nAnd, as always, you can take a page out of Fight Club and start showing up\nat all sorts of support groups. Look what it did for Marla and Jack...\n\n\"JACK You can't have both parasites. You take blood parasites and --\nMARLA I want brain parasites.\nShe opens another dryer and does the same thing again. PG 19\nJACK Okay. I'll take blood parasites and I'll take organic brain dementia\nand --\nMARLA I want that.\nJACK You can't have the whole brain!\nMARLA So far, you have four and I have two!\nJACK Well, then, take blood parasites. Now, we each have three.\nMARLA So, we each have three -- that's six. What about the seventh day? I\nwant ascending bowel cancer.\nJACK I want ascending bowel cancer.\nMARLA That's your favorite, too? Tried to slip it by me, huh?\nJACK We'll split it. You get it the first and third Sunday of the month.\nMARLA Deal.\"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Tom wrote:\n\n>On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote:\n>--]I know it's not the popular choice for a lot of people, but I'd\n>--]suggest, um, church. :-). Like Woody Allen said, 90% of life is\n>--]showing up, right?\n>--]\n>\n>I think another venue for finding people is the workplace. As a contractor\n>I have had the opertunity to meet lots of eligables over the course of my\n>wandering workhistory.\n>\n>My wife was my Task Order Manager years ago, thats how we met. Her joke\n>is that she is still my Task Order Manager but now I dont get paid:)-\n> \n>\nSure if you're willing to risk firing, lawsuits, etc. The last full time \njob I had the sexual harassement seminar\nwas pretty clear - yes you can have relationships at the office, but its \nextremely difficult, and the pitfalls are\nhorrendous.\n\nOwen\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"This is for those that have interacted with D Winer\n\n\"Dave's idea of love is fucking everyone else without so much as a reach\naround. You're supposed to just shut up and take it.\"\n\nhttp://winerlog.inspiredsites.net/\n\n===========\n\nWho's the real monster?\n\n\nIt seems good Ol' Uncle Dave is once again trying to savage anyone that\ndares to disagree with him. It seems Ben, Kevin and Bill are making too\nstrong a case. So here we Dave's attempt to fool you into thinking they're\nsome sort of monsters, violent ones no less.\n\nAnyone who works with Hemenway or Kearney should be aware that these people\nare nothing less than monsters, who will stoop to any level to get their\nway.\n\nYeah sure Dave, whatever you need to believe.\n\nThe truth is these folks do a fine job of actually helping others and\nimproving RSS in general. Each with their own brand of attitude, to be\nsure, but they seem to be pretty focused on actually helping things move\nforward. How is that being monstrous?\n\nIs Dave trying to slander their good names and thus poison the public's\nperception of them? If you haven't already, contact them and ask them how\nthey feel about this foolishness.\n\n\n 9/18/02; 10:07:38 AM - Discuss\n\n\n\nDave deflects what he can't take the time to understand\n\n\nIt's really quite pitiful. When normal people don't understand something\nthey usually try learning about it. They read up, ask questions and seek\nthe help of those that understand it. This before shooting their mouths off\nand looking like fools.\n\nWhat Dave does is just the opposite.\n\nPosts a link to something he doesn't understand\nGet's a bunch of e-mail from people who do understand it\nDerides the idea as being 'too much trouble' and blogs it.\nExpects others to do research for him\nAbuses anyone who tries to help him\nPontificates, incorrectly, about only part of the issue\nRealizes he's been a fool but refuses to correct himself\nPlods forward pedantically trying to defend his idiocy\nTries making the educated people look like fools.\nSends private e-mails to them trying to scare them off.\nExposes any private e-mail they write, out of context.\nDeflects and runs off to some new topic, repeats from #1\nHis continued diatribes about RSS-1.0 and it's use of RDF reveal this to be\ntrue. Dave doesn't get the idea of the semantic web. He'd rather have you\nfollow his stupid ideas than dare admit that the work of others is worth\ntrying.\n\nOne reader wrote to us with a good analogy. \"It's like that movie The\nPoseidon Adventure. Dave's like the purser ranting and raving that the\npassengers should follow him and march toward the bow. I don't know about\nyou but I'd rather be with the fat lady swimming toward the engine room.\nThe ship's fucking sinking and I don't want to be following the idiot.\"\n\nDave's idea of love is fucking everyone else without so much as a reach\naround. You're supposed to just shut up and take it. After all, why would\ngood ol' Uncle Dave want to hurt you? It's all about love, right? To hell\nwith asking you if you want to get shafted. And if you dare complain, he\nsavages you. Then he tries to make everyone think you're the one causing\nall the trouble.\n\nWe've news for you Dave, we're wise to your tactics and we're talking\namongst ourselves about it. We're routing around you damaging behavoir.\nThat's where we're coming from.\n\nIf you have an example of how you've tried to help Dave, please drop us an\ne-mail about it. We'll keep it strictly confidential of course. Send it\nalong to [email protected]\n\n\n 9/12/02; 10:13:11 AM - Discuss\n\n\n\n\nTrying to talk with Dave is like trying to wrestle a pig...\n\n\nThe trouble is, you get dirty and the pig seems to like it.\n\nAnother developer tries talking to Dave and discovers it's fundamentally\nimpossible:\n\nHis basic response was just that RDF was a joke and the Semantic Web\ndevelopers are doing a terrible job.\n\nIn the span of less than five minutes Dave makes such an ass of himself that\npeople at other tables start whispering \"that guy is an idiot...\"\n\nThe zaphodim, however, are veteran pig wrestlers. If you've got a similar\ntale from the mud pit, be sure to drop us a line at: [email protected].\n\n\n 9/11/02; 2:17:58 PM - Discuss (1 response)\n\n\n\n\nAha! Some backing down by the whining one?\n\n\nIt would appear the 'dictator release' strategy that Dave's been trying on\nhis crappy little set of RSS hacks is failing to gain support.\n\nI'm going to push back the caveat-removing on the 2.0 spec by 24 hours.\nStill have work to do on the sample file, I want to look into the RFC for\ntime-date specs, and get started on the Radio implementation of 2.0. I have\nto prepare for Seybold tomorrow, and I want to a little memorial for 9-11. A\nbusy few days for a guy still recovering. Also, it would be great if people\nwho make content tools could review the 2.0 spec and see if there are any\ndeal-stoppers.\n\nHell yeah there are deal stoppers, like nobody wants it nor will they use\nit!\n\nThe poor Radio customers! The poor Salon blog users! They're going to be\ndragged unwillingly into producing XML content that nobody will use! So\nwith the flip of his mighty upgrade switch Dave is going to turn all their\ncontent into totally unsupported garbage!!!\n\nYa better speak up now folks otherwise your content is going to start\ngetting rejected!\n\nOf course at the same time Dave tries to play the sympathy card. What utter\nfucking nonsense. This past weekend, the blogosphere excoriates him for his\n'blame America' bullshit. Then the RSS community tells him to get stuffed\nwith his dictator release of RSS. Now he's trying to pretend we should be\nnice to him because he's still recovering?\n\nUh, Dave, if you want to take a rest from the battle then stop picking\nfights. We'll still kick your ass regardless. That's what years of your\nabusing people has gotten you Dave. No sympathy anymore, none whatsoever.\n\n\n 9/11/02; 1:56:10 PM - Discuss\n\n\n\n\nDave is Scary on 9/11\n\nPosted on Scripting News on 9/10/2002:\n\n\nNote: During the day tomorrow there will be no updates to Scripting News.\nI'll be in SF at Seybold, leading a discussion on Web Services for\nPublishing with people from Amazon, Apple, Google and Jake Savin of\nUserLand. I may be able to update my Radio weblog, but only if there's\nsomething really important to report. So best wishes for a happy and safe\n9-11.\nWhat kind of asshole wishes people a happy 9/11??!?!?!?!??!! Obviously\nsomeone who doesn't have a clue nor lost anyone in the tragedy.\n\n\n 9/11/02; 7:56:06 AM - Discuss\n\n\n\n\nYeow and we though we were harsh!\n\n\nWow, apparently Dave's sticking his neck out quite far these days. Craig\nSchamp practically keel-hauls him with this one. He wraps it up with:\n\nThe man seems to show over and over that he's nothing more than a whining\nbuffoon\n\nGive that man an honorary Zaphodim membership card and secret decoder ring!\n\nRelated links over at PhotoDude, Richard Bennett, Andrea Harris, Reid Stott,\nJeff Jarvis, Ipse Dixit, and the Fat Guy.\n\n\n 9/9/02; 12:29:45 PM - Discuss\n\n\n\n\nRSS 2.0: code name \"Hitler\"\n\n\nIf Dave tries to steamroll RSS 2.0 through without formal community\nconsensus, here now we call it the \"Hitler\" release of 2.0.\n\n\"No objections\"? No, he means \"No objections I choose to hear.\"\n\nDave is simply not listening. People are objecting all over.\n\n\n\n\n 9/6/02; 9:00:02 AM - Discuss\n\n\n\n\nReferral log funnies\n\n\nEvery now and then we check the referral logs to see what's pointing back to\nus. We sincerely apologize to the pool soul that used this search.\n\n\n 9/5/02; 12:15:07 PM - Discuss\n\n\n\n\nLuserland Attempts to Trademark \"RSS\"\n\n\nDave has waxed and waned about intellectual property rights and how any\nBigCo that tries to patent its technology or methods is corrupt or morally\nbankrupt. Scripting News is full of examples.\n\nSo we found it surprising, as did many others, when Luserland software tried\nto patent the term 'RSS' back in 2000. Here's the patent application:\n\nhttp://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78025336\n\nThis was apparently just between the start of the RSS 1.0 development\nefforts, and the publication of the specification. Winer knew about the RSS\n1.0 stuff - indeed, he complained about it bitterly at the time.\n\nCould Dave be any more transparent?!?!??!?!!!!!!!\n\nSince when has Dave been required to follow anything he says he wants others\nto do??? A good quote from before he filed the patent application:\n\nTim O'Reilly says patents are OK, he's just against stupid patents. In the\nspirit of Touch of Grey, Tim man, patents are lock-in of the worst kind.\nThere's no way to route around them.\n\n 9/4/02; 6:06:51 AM - Discuss\n\n\n\n\nWhen's a Permalink not a Permalink?\n\n\nWhen Dave writes an item, then removes it!!!!!!!!!!! The permalink links to\nnothing at that point. So apparently the \"perma-\" part in permalink is\npermanent. For everyone except Dave. Too bad his little attempt at a\ndefinition fails to mention this...!!!!!!!!!\n\n\n 9/2/02; 6:16:03 PM - Discuss\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Chuck Murcko wrote:\n>[...stuff...]\n\nYawn.\n\nR\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Robert Harley:\n>>BTW, I wasn't aware that the 1st Amendment mandated that crap must be \n>>FoRKed.\n\nChuck Murcko <[email protected]>:\n>It doesn't, BTW. It says the right to free speech shall not be abridged. \n>That means you can't say anything may not be FoRKed or printed or \n>whatever.\n\nActually, it means just the opposite. The first\namendment guarantees Harley's right to say just\nthat. For the outlets where he has editorial\ncontrol, it even guarantees his right to CENSOR\ncontent published through those outlets. The\nfirst amendment doesn't limit Harley's speech,\nand it is neutral with regard to the selection\npolicies of FoRK and other private venues.\n\n\n\n_________________________________________________________________\nMSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: \nhttp://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Ben Hammersley wrote:\n\n>\n> On Thursday, Sep 19, 2002, at 14:51 Europe/London, Bill Kearney wrote:\n>\n>>> From the completely unrelated but funny department...\n>>\n>>\n>> \"Talk like a Pirate Day\".\n>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5011-2002Sep11.html\n>>\n>> Which is today, of course.\n>>\n>> That and 'piratecore' rapping style...\n>> http://poorman.blogspot.com/2002_09_01_poorman_archive.html#81798893\n>>\n>> Anything, just anything, to get us off the geek dating tips topic....\n>>\n>> -Bill Kearney\n>>\n>\n>\n> Arrr, he be a scurvy dog, that Bill Kearney.\n\nWell, shiver me timbers, but my favorite pirate phrase is missing from \nboth of those.Arrr....\nand wondering if there's a rap equivalent.\nOwen\n\nhttp://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-shi2.htm\nQ AND A SECTION\n\nSHIVER MY TIMBERS\n\n/From Tad Spencer/: \"Please could you tell me where the phrase /shiver \nmy timbers/ originated?\"\n\nThis is one of those supposedly nautical expressions that seem to be \nbetter known through a couple of appearances in fiction than by any \nactual sailors' usage.\n\nIt's an exclamation that may allude to a ship striking some rock or \nother obstacle so hard that her timbers shiver, or shake, so implying a \ncalamity has occurred. It is first recorded as being used by Captain \nFrederick Marryat in /Jacob Faithful/ in 1835: \"I won't thrash you Tom. \nShiver my timbers if I do\".\n\nIt has gained a firm place in the language because almost fifty years \nlater Robert Louis Stevenson found it to be just the kind of old-salt \nsaying that fitted the character of Long John Silver in /Treasure \nIsland/: \"Cross me, and you'll go where many a good man's gone before \nyou ... some to the yard-arm, shiver my timbers, and some by the board, \nand all to feed the fishes\". Since then, it's mainly been the preserve \nof second-rate seafaring yarns.\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Bill Stoddard wrote:\n\n>>Chuck Murcko wrote:\n>>\n>> \n>>\n>>>Heh, ten years ago saying the exact same words was most definitely not\n>>>\"parroting the party line\".\n>>>\n>>>It was even less so thirty years ago. My story remains the same, take\n>>>it or leave it. I've said the same words to white supremacists as to\n>>>suburban leftist punks as to homeys as to French Irish, etc. etc.:\n>>>\n>>>I don't have to agree with anything you say. I am obligated to\n>>>defend to the death your right to say it. I don't give a rat's ass\n>>>where you say it, even in France. I don't care where the political\n>>>pendulum has swung currently.\n>>>\n>>>Chuck\n>>> \n>>>\n>>I had to laugh at Rumsfield yesterday - when he was heckled by\n>>protestors, he said something like \"They couldn't do that in Iraq.\"\n>>Meanwhile, from what I could tell, the protestors were being arrested.\n>>\n>>Owen\n>> \n>>\n>\n>Trying to shoutdown a speaker or being loud and rowdy while someone else is\n>trying to speak (in the vernacular, 'getting in their face') is rude and\n>disrespectful. And persistently getting in someones face is assault, a\n>criminal offense. If these people have something to say, they can say it\n>with signs or get their own venue. And here is something else to chew on...\n>these protesters are NOT interested in changing anyones mind about what\n>Rumsfield is saying. How likely are you to change someone's mind by being\n>rude and disrespectful to them? Is this how to win friends and influence\n>people? Either these folks are social misfits who have no understanding of\n>human interactions (else they would try more constructive means to get their\n>message across) or they are just out to get their rocks off regardless of\n>how it affects other people, and that is immoral at best and downright evil\n>at worst.\n>\n>Bill\n> \n>\nPolite and respectful protest is acceptable then. No dumping tea in the \nharbour or anything like that.\nI think the primary purpose of loud and rowdy protests is to get on \ntelevision, and that the tactics can be\njustified as a reaction to a systematic removal of alternative \nviewpoints from that medium. On the other hand,\nit was a priceless TV moment. There was nothing resembling assault, and \nthe protestors were not in anybody's face\n(at least in my understanding of the vernacular).\n\nAnd no, being rude and disrespectful is not the way to influence \npoliticians, but the standard way of using lobbyists and\nwriting checks is beyond many of us.\n\nOwen\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"What I meant was that neither he nor anyone else has any authority to \nsay something can or can't be published, and make that stick, at least \nin the US, and from some descriptions, France. Of course he can say \nanything he wants. And I can choose to ignore it, or not. Works both \nways.\n\nFscking semantics.\n\nChuck\n\nOn Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 06:41 AM, Russell Turpin wrote:\n\n> Robert Harley:\n>>> BTW, I wasn't aware that the 1st Amendment mandated that crap must be \n>>> FoRKed.\n>\n> Chuck Murcko <[email protected]>:\n>> It doesn't, BTW. It says the right to free speech shall not be \n>> abridged. That means you can't say anything may not be FoRKed or \n>> printed or whatever.\n>\n> Actually, it means just the opposite. The first\n> amendment guarantees Harley's right to say just\n> that. For the outlets where he has editorial\n> control, it even guarantees his right to CENSOR\n> content published through those outlets. The\n> first amendment doesn't limit Harley's speech,\n> and it is neutral with regard to the selection\n> policies of FoRK and other private venues.\n>\n>\n>\n> _________________________________________________________________\n> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: \n> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx\n>\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On 28 Aug 2002, Daniel Quinlan wrote:\n\n> Dan Kohn <[email protected]> writes:\n> \n> > Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself\n> > on your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to\n> > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all\n> > violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will\n> > quickly remove us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill\n> > Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise.\n> \n> I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a\n> score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle\n> for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base.\n\nI have to agree here. If Habeas is going to die just because SA does not\nsupport it, that's a serious problem with the business model; but that is\nnobody's problem but Habeas's.\n\nA possible solution is for Habeas's business model to include some kind of\nincentive for users of SA to give it the benefit of the doubt. I have yet\nto think of an incentive that fits the bill ...\n\nOn Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Justin Mason wrote:\n\n> I don't see a problem supporting it in SpamAssassin -- but I see Dan's\n> points.\n> \n> - high score: as far as I can see, that's because SpamAssassin is\n> assigning such high scores to legit newsletters these days, and the\n> Habeas mark has to bring it down below that. :( IMO we have to fix\n> the high-scorers anyway -- no spam ever needs to score over 5 in our\n> scoring system, 5 == tagged anyway.\n\nThis is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all\nits incarnations) and MIMEDefang and several other MTA plugins all reject\nat SMTP time messages that scores higher than some threshold (often 10). \nIf some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1,\nthere'd better be _zero_ FPs, because all those filters would drop their\nthresholds to 5.\n\nOn Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Michael Moncur wrote:\n\n> But I agree that there needs to be more focus on eliminating rules that\n> frequently hit on newsletters. If any newsletters actually use the Habeas\n> mark, that will be one way to help.\n\nNewsletters won't use the mark. Habeas is priced way too high -- a factor\nof at least 20 over what the market will bear, IMO -- on a per-message\nbasis for most typical mailing lists (Lockergnome, say) to afford it.\n\nOn Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote:\n\n> Habeus has come up with a very clever way to use existing law to battle\n> spam. It seems that at some point they could drop the licensing fee to\n> $1 or less and make all their income off suing the spammers for\n> copyright infringement.\n\nSorry, that just can't work.\n\nIf the Habeas mark actually becomes both widespread enough in non-spam,\nand effectively-enforced enough to be absent from spam, such that, e.g.,\nSA could assign a positive score to messages that do NOT have it, then\nspammers are out of business and Habeas has no one to sue. There's nobody\nleft to charge except the people who want (or are forced against their\nwill because their mail won't get through otherwise) to use the mark.\n\nConversely, if there are enough spammers forging the mark for Habeas to\nmake all its income suing them, then the mark is useless for the purpose\nfor which it was designed.\n\nEither way it seems to me that, after maybe a couple of lawsuits against\nreal spammers and a lot of cease-and-desist letters to clueless Mom&Pops,\nthen either (a) they're out of business, (b) they have to sell the rights\nto use the mark to increasingly questionable senders, or (c) they've both\ncreated and monopolized a market for \"internet postage stamps\" that\neverybody has to pay them for.\n\nThe latter would be quite a coup if they [] could pull it off -- they do\nabsolutely nothing useful, unless you consider threatening people with\nlawsuits useful, yet still collect a fee either directly or indirectly\nfrom everyone on the internet -- effectively we'll be paying them for the\nprivilege of policing their trademark for them. I don't believe they'll\never get that far, but I don't particularly want to help them make it.\n\n[] And I use the term \"they\" loosely, because the whole company could \nconsist of one lawyer if it really got to that point.\n\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek\nWelcome to geek heaven.\nhttp://thinkgeek.com/sf\n_______________________________________________\nSpamassassin-talk mailing list\[email protected]\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"---------- Forwarded message ----------\nDate: 19 Sep 2002 22:18:46 -0400\nFrom: Perry E. Metzger <[email protected]>\nTo: [email protected]\nSubject: Sun donates elliptic curve code to OpenSSL?\n\n\nAccording to this:\n\nhttp://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2002-09/sunflash.20020919.8.html\n\nSun is donating some elliptic curve code to the OpenSSL project. Does\nanyone know details that they would care to share on the nature of the\ndonation?\n\n-- \nPerry E. Metzger\t\[email protected]\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\nThe Cryptography Mailing List\nUnsubscribe by sending \"unsubscribe cryptography\" to [email protected]\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I'm sure Patton used it.\n\nI'm all for using it in the coming war with Iraq.\n\nYet I'd be queasy about doing it in the Philippines circa 1905, which\nwas his point.\n\n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of R.\nA.\n> Hettinga\n> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 9:44 PM\n> To: Digital Bearer Settlement List; [email protected]\n> Subject: <nettime> The War Prayer\n> \n> \n> --- begin forwarded text\n> \n> \n> Status: RO\n> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:57:27 -0700\n> To: [email protected]\n> From: Phil Duncan <[email protected]>\n> Subject: <nettime> The War Prayer\n> Sender: [email protected]\n> Reply-To: Phil Duncan <[email protected]>\n> \n> The following prayer is from a story by Mark Twain, and was quoted by\n> Lewis\n> Laphan in the October issue of Harper's magazine. It occurs at the\nvery\n> end\n> of an excellent article which I recommend to you.\n> \n> In the story, an old man enters a church where the congregation has\nbeen\n> listening to an heroic sermon about \"the glory to be won in battle by\n> young\n> patriots armed with the love of God.\" He usurps the pulpit and prays\nthe\n> following:\n> \n> \"O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreads with\nour\n> shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of\ntheir\n> patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the\nshrieks of\n> their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble\nhomes\n> with\n> a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending\n> widows\n> with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their\nlittle\n> children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in\nrags\n> and\n> hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy\nwinds of\n> winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the\nrefuge\n> of\n> the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast\ntheir\n> hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make\nheavy\n> their\n> steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the\n> blood\n> of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is\nthe\n> Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all\nthat\n> are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts.\nAmen.\"\n> \n> Twain wrote the story, \"The War Prayer,\" in 1905 during the American\n> occupation of the Philippines, but the story wasn't printed until\n1923,\n> thirteen years after his death, because the editors thought it\n> \"unsuitable\"\n> for publication at the time it was written.\n> \n> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission\n> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism,\n> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets\n> # more info: [email protected] and \"info nettime-l\" in the msg\nbody\n> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected]\n> \n> --- end forwarded text\n> \n> \n> --\n> -----------------\n> R. A. Hettinga <mailto: [email protected]>\n> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>\n> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA\n> \"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,\n> [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to\n> experience.\" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"And of course I forget the link that I did find.\n\nhttp://www.constitutioncenter.org/sections/news/8b4.asp\n\nNeither NPR nor the first amendment foundation seem to have the\narticle I was looking for declaring the study.\n\nEven if its half true, its still frightening.\n\nIt makes me want to pass out CATO bibles...\n\n-- \nBest regards,\n bitbitch mailto:[email protected]\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"You around?\nC\n\n-- \n\"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway\" --Huckleberry Finn\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nRelated to the MS acquisition of XDegrees?\n\n==\nhttp://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/1466271\n\nSun Nabs Storage Startup\nBy Clint Boulton\nAmid the flurry of news at its own SunNetwork 2002 conference in San\nFrancisco, Sun Microsystems Thursday said it has agreed to purchase data\nstorage concern Pirus Networks for an undisclosed amount of stock.\n\nThe Palo Alto, Calif. networking firm bought the Acton, Mass.-based startup\nwith a keen eye for the startup's switching (define) devices and\nvirtualization technology. Used as part of a storage area network (define),\nvirtualization is the pooling of storage from many network storage devices\ninto what appears to the operating system to be a single storage device that\nis managed from a central console.\n\nThough major vendors make similar technology, Pirus competes with the likes\nof Rhapsody Networks and Confluence Networks. Sun plucked Pirus after\nscouting some 65 companies.\n\nMark Lovington, vice president of marketing for Pirus, told internetnews.com\nthat Pirus and Sun have been in discussion for a while about a possible\nacquisition. Pirus, he said, succeeded in a goal it shares with a lot of\nstorage startups -- to be acquired by one of the major systems vendors, such\nas Sun IBM, HP, Hitachi.\n\n\"This is a huge opportunity for Pirus in a storage market dominated by 6,7\nor 8 system-level players,\" Lovington said. \"Sun sees this acquisition as a\ncritical element to their N1 initiative. The synergies were quite obvious.\"\n\nN1 is Sun's hopeful tour de force in distributed computing (define)\narchitecture, which involves multiple, remote computers that each have a\nrole in a computation problem or information processing. N1 is being styled\nas the answer for companies looking to manage groups of computers and\nnetworks as a single system -- at a lower cost and with greater flexibility.\n\nWhile lagging behind other, more entrenched players, Sun is gaining ground\nin the storage market with its Sun StorEdge Complete Storage Solutions,\naccording to a new report by IDC. John McArthur, group vice president of\nIDC's Storage program, said Sun Microsystems and IBM posted the largest\nincreases in total storage revenue over Q1 2002, with 32% and 11% gains,\nrespectively. As of Q2, Sun held a 9 percent market share, with revenues of\n$411 million.\n\nSun's acquisition of Pirus is expected to close in the second quarter of\nSun's 2003 fiscal year, which ends December 29, 2002.\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\nIt was the best of times, it was the worst of times,\nit was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness,\nit was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity,\nit was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness,\nit was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair,\nwe had everything before us, we had nothing before us,\nwe were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way\n---C Dickens\n\nG'Quon Wrote \"There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the\ndarkness of the soul that has lost its way.\" The war we fight is not\nagainst powers and principalities - it is against chaos and despair.\nGreater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of\ndreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all\naround us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of\nrevelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take\nus. We know only that it is always born in pain.\n--JWS\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	">>>>> \"R\" == R A Hettinga <[email protected]> writes:\n\n R> At 9:34 PM -0700 on 9/20/02, Mr. FoRK wrote:\n >> \"Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift\n >> whole societies out of poverty\" I'm not a\n >> socio-political/history buff - does anybody have some clear\n >> examples?\n\n R> You're probably living in one, or you wouldn't be able to post\n R> here.\n\nCool --- I wasn't aware that the US had lifted it's population out of\npoverty! When did this happen? I wonder where the media gets the\nidea that the wealth gap is widening and deepening...\n\n\n-- \nGary Lawrence Murphy - [email protected] - TeleDynamics Communications\n - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -\n \"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.\" (Picasso)\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: \"R. A. Hettinga\" <[email protected]>\n>\n>\n> > \"Free trade and free markets have proven their ability to lift whole\n> > societies out of poverty\"\n> > I'm not a socio-political/history buff - does anybody have some clear\n> > examples?\n>\n> You're probably living in one, or you wouldn't be able to post here.\n>\nWhen was the whole US society in poverty & was that before free trade & free\nmarkets?\nI'm looking for transitions due to free xyz.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n----- Original Message ----- \nFrom: \"Gregory Alan Bolcer\" <[email protected]>\n\n\n> I went out and drew some chalk circles on my\n> sidewalk just so I wouldn't miss out on the experience.\n> I've collected half a dozen passwords &\n> access to email accounts so far.\n> \n> Greg\nhahaha! <joke>It takes a thief to catch a thief?</joke>\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Can anyone stop talking politics long enough to let me know that,\nyes, indeed, they do remember the Suburban Lawns?\n\nBetter yet, tell me where I should be listening for new music now that\nP2P is dead and I still can't pick up KFJC very well.\n\n- Joe\n\n-- \nGive me time I will be clear; given time you'll understand.\nWhat possesses me to right what you have suffered.\nI'm in this mood because of scorn; I'm in a mood for total war.\nTo the darkened skies once more and ever onward.\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"LOL you rool (:\n\nOn Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote:\n\n> I went out and drew some chalk circles on my\n> sidewalk just so I wouldn't miss out on the experience.\n> I've collected half a dozen passwords &\n> access to email accounts so far.\n> \n> Greg\n> \n> [email protected] wrote:\n> > Hello fork,\n> > \n> > So they have Aaron Schwartz on NPR's Weekend Edition talking\n> > about Warchalking. I'll agree, its funny, his voice is squeaky and\n> > I'm jealous that he got on radio and I didn't...\n> > \n> > But really, WTF is the big deal about warchalking? I have yet to\n> > see any of it, anywhere.\n> > \n> > LInk will probably pop up on www.npr.org later today.\n> > \n> > \n> > \n> \n> \n> \n\n-- \n\"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway\" --Huckleberry Finn\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"reminds me of Cheney during the VP debates, when he declared his wealth was\nnot the product of government favors.\n\nhttp://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/communications/logs/Gulf-War/desert-stor\nm/07\n\n(good time to refresh our memories re iraq . . .)\n\nstarting a debate on govt. contracts,\ngg\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Owen\nByrne\nSent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 11:04 AM\nTo: Owen Byrne\nCc: Gary Lawrence Murphy; Mr. FoRK; [email protected]; Digital Bearer\nSettlement List\nSubject: Re: sed /s/United States/Roman Empire/g\n\n\nOwen Byrne wrote:\n\n> R. A. Hettinga wrote:\n>\n>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\n>> Hash: SHA1\n>>\n>> At 10:32 AM -0400 on 9/21/02, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>>> Cool --- I wasn't aware that the US had lifted it's population out\n>>> of poverty! When did this happen? I wonder where the media gets the\n>>> idea that the wealth gap is widening and deepening...\n>>>\n>>\n>>\n>> All the world loves a smartass...\n>>\n>> :-).\n>>\n>> Seriously. Look at he life expectancy and human carrying capacity of\n>> this continent before the Europeans got here. Look at it now. Even\n>> for descendants of the original inhabitants. Even for the descendents\n>> of slaves, who were brought here by force.\n>>\n>> More stuff, cheaper. That's progress.\n>>\n>> Poverty, of course, is not relative. It's absolute. Disparity in\n>> wealth has nothing to do with it.\n>>\n>> It's like saying that groups have rights, when, in truth, only\n>> individuals do. Like group rights, \"disparity\" in wealth is\n>> statistical sophistry.\n>>\n>>\n>> Besides, even if you can't help the distribution, industrial wealth\n>> is almost always transitory, and so is relative poverty, even when\n>> there are no confiscatory death-taxes. The 20th anniversary Forbes\n>> 400 just came out, and only a few tens of people are still there\n>> since 1982, a time which had significantly higher marginal taxes on\n>> wealth, income, and inheritance than we do now. More to the point,\n>> they're nowhere near the top.\n>>\n>>\nLovely quote from the Forbes 400 list:\n\"and not a single Astor, Vanderbilt or Morgan rates a mention on the\ncurrent Forbes Four Hundred. \"\n\nBut you have to studiously ignore the 4 Rockefellers, 3 Gettys, 3\nHearsts, Fords, Kelloggs, Wrigleys,\nand so on.\n\nThere are more self-made people on the list than I previously alluded to\n- I made a mistake. Most\nof them seem to have Ivy League educations, or are Ivy League dropouts,\nsuggesting to me that they weren't\nexactly poor to start with. Some of them have lovely self-made stories\nlike:\n#347, Johnston, Summerfield K Jr\ntrack this personTrack This Person\n<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/add_person.jhtml?successURL=%2Fpeopletr\nacker%2Fprotected%2Frich_tracker.jhtml&errorURL=%2Fpeopletracker%2Ferror.jht\nml&personId=221899>\n\n \| See all Bacon Makers\n<http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=54&passYear=2002&passL\nistType=Person&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=%2Bnum\nberfield1%2C%2Bstringfield1&resultsSortCategoryName=rank&searchParameter1=10\nStr%7C%7CPatCS%7C%7CBacon+Makers&category1=Magazine+Section&category2=catego\nry&searchParameter2=unset>\n\n\n70 , self made\nSource: Food\n<http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=54&passYear=2002&passL\nistType=Person&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=%2Bnum\nberfield1%2C%2Bstringfield1&resultsSortCategoryName=rank&searchParameter1=5S\ntr%7C%7CPatCS%7C%7CFood&category1=Industry>,\nCoca-Cola (quote\n<http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?\ntkr=CCE>,\nexecutives\n<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=C\nCE>,\nnews <http://markets2.forbes.com/rpt/Company_News.asp?Symbol=CCE>)\n\nNet Worth: $680 mil returnee\nHometown: Chattanooga , TN\n\nMarital Status: married , 5 children\n\n\nGrandfather James and partner landed first Coca-Cola bottling franchise\nin 1899. Company passed down 3 generations to Summerfield 1950s. Became\nlargest independent Coke bottler. Merged with Coca-Cola Enterprises 1991.\n\n<javascript:openMap('pol');> <javascript:openMap('dist');>\n\n\n\n(...by a compensation committee)\nOwen\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\n> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of\nMr.\n> FoRK\n\n> Also, the lifestyle of the remnants of those\n> societies is on average only marginally above poverty even today.\n\nAs I understand it, there is a huge difference between native Americans\nwho speak english at home and those who do not. I don't have figures\nthat separate those at hand, though.\n\n1989 American Indians (US Pop as a whole) -- Families below poverty\n27.2% (10%), Persons below poverty 31.2 (13.1), Speak a language other\nthan English 23 (13.8) Married couple families 65.8 (79.5) Median family\nincome $21,619 ($35,225) Per Capita $8,284 ($14,420).\n\nNote: High Income countries in 1989 were defined as having over $6,000\nper capita. American Indians separated from the rest of the US society\nwould still be considered a high-income society.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:\n>and say hello to the cool: Oooo ... /this/ is going to cause some stir ...\n\nOf course not. Some people just don't want to be confused by the facts.\n\n\n>SUMMARY\n>\n>As part of an ongoing NASA/UAH joint project, Dr. John Christy of UAH\n>and Dr. Roy Spencer of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center use data\n>gathered by microwave sounding units (MSUs) on National Oceanic and\n>Atmospheric Administration TIROS-N satellites to get accurate, direct\n>measurements of atmospheric temperatures for almost all regions of the\n>Earth [...]\n\nBut some plonker will come up with yet another computer model\npredicting global warming and storms and floods in 50 years even\nthough it can't predict next week's weather. And predict widespread\ncooling in some parts of the globe (which is now part of global\n\"warming\"). And will get plenty of publicity for even more conclusive\nscaremong^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H proof.\n\n\n>[...]\n>Globally, however, the satellite data show a cooling trend of 0.03\n>degrees Celsius per decade since the first NOAA TIROS-N satellites\n>went into service.\n\nUmpteen studies have already shown that temperature variations, when\neven detectable in the noise, go either way depending on which data\nyou look at.\n\n\n>Of great concern to scientists is the lack of consistency in the way\n>readings are taken [...] the construction of\n>nearby roads, parking lots, runways and buildings may cause the\n>temperature to rise a little due of urbanization. This temperature\n>change may be an artifact of a local \"asphalt effect\" rather than a\n>long-term widespread climate change.\n\nOne study from Vienna showed long-term warming from thermometers at\nthe airport, and none from other sites. Another study with data from\nAntarctica which was touted as supporting global warming while being\nfree from this urbanization effect later turned out to be dominated by\nthe time of day at which the airplane that made the measurements flew\n(I may have mentioned this one b4...)\n\n\n\"There are no facts, only interpretations.\"\n- Friedrich Nietzsche.\n\"Bullshit!\"\n- Rob.\n\n .-. .-.\n / \\ .-. .-. / \\\n / \\ / \\ .-. _ .-. / \\ / \\\n / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\\n / \\ / \\ / `-' `-' \\ / \\ / \\\n \\ / `-' `-' \\ /\n `-' `-'\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB10327475102363433,00.html\n\n\nThe Wall Street Journal\n\nSeptember 23, 2002\nCOMMENTARY\n\nRebuild at Ground Zero\n\nBy LARRY SILVERSTEIN\n\nEarlier this month, we New Yorkers observed the solemn anniversary of the\nhorrific events that befell our city on Sept. 11, 2001. All of those who\nperished must never be forgotten. The footprints of the fallen Twin Towers\nand a portion of the 16-acre site must be dedicated to a memorial and civic\namenities that recall the sacrifices that were made there and the anguish\nthat those senseless acts of terror created for the victims' families and,\nindeed, for all of us.\n\nBut for the good of the city and the region, the 10-million-plus square\nfeet of commercial and retail space that was destroyed with the Twin Towers\nmust be replaced on the site.\n\nAbout 50,000 people worked in the World Trade Center. Those jobs are lost,\nalong with those of another 50,000 people who worked in the vicinity.\nTogether, those jobs in lower Manhattan, for which the Trade Center was the\neconomic stimulus, produced annual gross wages of about $47 billion, or 15%\nof the annual gross wages earned in the entire state. Some of the firms\nhave relocated elsewhere in the city and region, but many have not. New\nYork City is facing a budget deficit. Without additional jobs, the deficit\nmay become permanent. This is one reason for the importance of rebuilding.\n\nIf we do not replace the lost space, lower Manhattan never will regain the\nvibrancy it had as the world's financial center. Love them or hate them,\nand there were lots of New Yorkers on both sides of the issue, the Towers\nmade a powerful statement to the world that said, \"This is New York, a\nsymbol of our free economy and of our way of life.\" That is why they were\ndestroyed. This is a second reason why the towers must be replaced, and\nwith buildings that make a potent architectural statement.\n\nIn recent weeks, redevelopment proposals have been circulated from many\nsources. Most of these focus not on the Trade Center site, however, but on\nall of lower Manhattan. Further, many believe that the 10 million square\nfeet either could be located elsewhere, scattered in several sites, or\nsimply never rebuilt.\n\nThese proposals miss the point. What was destroyed, and what must be\nrecovered, was the Trade Center, not all of lower Manhattan. Except over\nthe towers' footprints, where there must be no commercial development, the\noffice and retail space lost has to be rebuilt on or close to where it was.\n\nAccess to mass transit makes the site ideal for office space of this size.\nThat was a major reason why the Twin Towers were leased to 97% occupancy\nbefore 9/11. None of the other sites proposed for office development has\nremotely equal transportation access. With the reconstruction of the subway\nand PATH stations, plus an additional $4.5 billion in transit improvements\nplanned, such as the new Fulton Transit Center and the direct\n\"Train-to-the-Plane\" Long Island Rail Road connection, the site becomes\neven more the logical locus of office development.\n\nAnd New York will need the space. Before 9/11, the Group of 35, a task\nforce of civic leaders led by Sen. Charles Schumer and former Treasury\nSecretary Robert Rubin, concluded that the city would need an additional 60\nmillion square feet of new office space by 2020 to accommodate the\nanticipated addition of 300,000 new jobs. The loss of the Twin Towers only\nheightens the need.\n\nAs for those who say that 10 million square feet of office space downtown\ncannot be absorbed by the real estate market, I would simply point out that\nhistory shows them wrong. New York now has about 400 million square feet of\noffice space. All new construction underway already is substantially leased\nup. New York had 48 million square feet of vacant office space at the\nbeginning of the recession in 1990. By 1998, this space had been absorbed,\nat an annual rate of about 6 million square feet.\n\nWe are seeking to rebuild 10 million square feet on the Trade Center site\nover a period of about 10 years, with the first buildings not coming on\nline until 2008 and the project reaching completion in 2012. This is an\nannual absorption rate of about a million feet, much lower than the 1990s'\nrate.\n\nThose who argue that New York cannot reabsorb office space that it\npreviously had are saying that the city has had its day and is entering an\nextended period of stagnation and decline. I will not accept this view, nor\nwill most New Yorkers.\n\nMayor Michael Bloomberg said in a recent interview with the New York Times\nthat the city \"has to do two things: memorialize, but also build for the\nfuture.\" I believe that the Twin Towers site can gracefully accommodate --\nand that downtown requires -- office and retail space of architectural\nsignificance, a dignified memorial that both witnesses and recalls what\nhappened, and cultural amenities that would benefit workers as well as\nresidents of the area.\n\nThe challenge to accomplish this is enormous. But our city is up to the task.\n\nMr. Silverstein is president of Silverstein Properties, a real estate firm\nwhose affiliates hold 99-year leases on the World Trade Center site.\n\n-- \n-----------------\nR. A. Hettinga <mailto: [email protected]>\nThe Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>\n44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA\n\"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,\n[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to\nexperience.\" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'\n\n\n"
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1ham	easy_ham	">>>>> \"J\" == Jim Whitehead <[email protected]> writes:\n\n J> For anyone to fully bury global warming, they would need to\n J> explain why the dramatic increase in CO2 concentrations are not\n J> increasing the global temperature. They would also need to\n J> explain why, worldwide, glaciers are melting faster than they\n J> have previously in the historical record. \n\nThe associated links cover that: The surface temperature in spots\nfrequented by people is warmer (hence all our groundbased sensors\nreporting global warming) although the overall environmental\ntemperature is decreasing.\n\nApparently, the real news is not that there is no global warming, but\nthat our models of the warming were seriously flawed by naive\nconvection models. This too was not news to the theoreticians: All\nthat has happened is that NASA has confirmed the naiive convection\nconcerns.\n\n\n-- \nGary Lawrence Murphy - [email protected] - TeleDynamics Communications\n - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -\n \"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.\" (Picasso)\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:54:46 -0500\n From: Chris Garrigues <[email protected]>\n Message-ID: <[email protected]>\n\n\n \| I can't reproduce this error.\n\nFor me it is very repeatable... (like every time, without fail).\n\nThis is the debug log of the pick happening ...\n\n18:19:03 Pick_It {exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace} {4852-4852 -sequence mercury}\n18:19:03 exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury\n18:19:04 Ftoc_PickMsgs {{1 hit}}\n18:19:04 Marking 1 hits\n18:19:04 tkerror: syntax error in expression \"int ...\n\nNote, if I run the pick command by hand ...\n\ndelta$ pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury\n1 hit\n\nThat's where the \"1 hit\" comes from (obviously). The version of nmh I'm\nusing is ...\n\ndelta$ pick -version\npick -- nmh-1.0.4 [compiled on fuchsia.cs.mu.OZ.AU at Sun Mar 17 14:55:56 ICT 2002]\n\nAnd the relevant part of my .mh_profile ...\n\ndelta$ mhparam pick\n-seq sel -list\n\n\nSince the pick command works, the sequence (actually, both of them, the\none that's explicit on the command line, from the search popup, and the\none that comes from .mh_profile) do get created.\n\nkre\n\nps: this is still using the version of the code form a day ago, I haven't\nbeen able to reach the cvs repository today (local routing issue I think).\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nExmh-workers mailing list\[email protected]\nhttps://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"All,\n\nIs it just me or has there been a massive increase in the amount of email \nbeing falsely bounced around the place? I've already received email from a \nnumber of people I don't know, asking why I am sending them email. These \ncan be explained by servers from Russia and elsewhere. Coupled with the \nfalse emails I received myself, it's really starting to annoy me. Am I the \nonly one seeing an increase in recent weeks?\n\nMartin\n\n\n\n========================================================================\nMartin Whelan \| Déise Design \| www.deisedesign.com \| Tel : 086-8888975\n\n\" Our core product Déiseditor © allows organisations to publish information \nto their web site in a fast and cost effective manner. There is no need for \na full time web developer, as the site can be easily updated by the \norganisations own staff.\nInstant updates to keep site information fresh. Sites which are updated \nregularly bring users back. Visit www.deisedesign.com/deiseditor.html for a \ndemonstration \"\n\nDéiseditor © \" Managing Your Information \"\n========================================================================\n\n_______________________________________________\nIIU mailing list\[email protected]\nhttp://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"[a cheeky letter to the editors of the Economist follows, along with the \narticle I was commenting on... Rohit]\n\nIn your article about Chinese attempts to censor Google last week (\"The \nSearch Goes On\", Sept. 19th), the followup correctly noted that the most \nsubversive aspect of Google's service is not its card catalog, which \nmerely points surfers in the right direction, but the entire library. By \nmaintaining what amounts to a live backup of the entire World Wide Web, \nif you can get to Google's cache, you can read anything you'd like.\n\nThe techniques Chinese Internet Service Providers are using to enforce \nthese rules, however, all depend on the fact that traffic to and from \nGoogle, or indeed almost all public websites, is unencrypted. Almost all \nWeb browsers, however, include support for Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) \nencryption for securing credit card numbers and the like. Upgrading to \nSSL makes it effectively impossible for a 'man-in-the-middle' to meddle; \ncensorship would have to be imposed on each individual computer in \nChina. The only choice left is to either ban the entire site (range of \nIP addresses), but not the kind of selective filtering reported on in \nthe article.\n\nOf course, the additional computing power to encrypt all this traffic \ncosts real money. If the United States is so concerned about the free \nflow of information, why shouldn't the Broadcasting Board of Governors \nsponsor an encrypted interface to Google, or for that matter, the rest \nof the Web?\n\nTo date, public diplomacy efforts have focused on public-sector \nprogramming for the Voice of America, Radio Sawa, and the like. Just \nimagine if the US government got into the business of subsidizing secure \naccess to private-sector media instead. Nothing illustrates the freedom \nof the press as much as the wacky excess of the press itself -- and most \nof it is already salted away at Google and the Internet Archive project.\n\nOn second thought, I can hardly imagine this Administration promoting \nthe use of encryption to uphold privacy rights. Never mind...\n\nBest,\n Rohit Khare\n\n===========================================================\n\nThe search goes on\nChina backtracks on banning Google—up to a point\n\nSep 19th 2002 \| BEIJING\n From The Economist print edition\n\nIN CHINESE, the nickname for Google, an American Internet search engine, \nis gougou, meaning “doggy”. For the country's fast-growing population of \nInternet users (46m, according to an official estimate), it is proving \nan elusive creature. Earlier this month, the Chinese authorities blocked \naccess to Google from Internet service providers in China—apparently \nbecause the search engine helped Chinese users to get access to \nforbidden sites. Now, after an outcry from those users, access has been \nrestored.\n\nAn unusual climbdown by China's zealous Internet censors? Hardly. More \nsophisticated controls have now been imposed that make it difficult to \nuse Google to search for material deemed offensive to the government. \nAccess is still blocked to the cached versions of web pages taken by \nGoogle as it trawls the Internet. These once provided a handy way for \nChinese users to see material stored on blocked websites.\n\nAfter the blocking of Google on August 31st, many Chinese Internet users \nposted messages on bulletin boards in China protesting against the move. \nTheir anger was again aroused last week when some Chinese Internet \nproviders began rerouting users trying to reach the blocked Google site \nto far less powerful search engines in China.\n\nDuncan Clark, the head of a Beijing-based technology consultancy firm, \nBDA (China) Ltd, says China is trying a new tactic in its efforts to \ncensor the Internet. Until recently, it had focused on blocking \nindividual sites, including all pages stored on them. Now it seems to be \nfiltering data transmitted to or from foreign websites to search for key \nwords that might indicate undesirable content. For example earlier this \nweek when using Eastnet, a Beijing-based Internet provider, a search on \nGoogle for Falun Gong—a quasi-Buddhist exercise sect outlawed in China—\nusually aborted before all the results had time to appear. Such a search \nalso rendered Google impossible to use for several minutes.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I love the absurd sense of humor it takes to build up such an elaborate \nevening only to note that \"even if the date's a bust you can always have \na hundred people up for cocktails\" in your penthouse suite at the end of \nthe night :-)\n\nPersonally, I'd put one point in favor of the Redwood Room over Lapis: \non a weeknight, you can still whip out a TiBook and write, since it's a \nhotel bar. And it seems to give people all sorts of license to \ninterrogate you as to why you're writing with a double of scotch :-)\n\nBest,\n Rohit\n\n> Five Best Ways to Impress Your Date\n>\n> You've met the biped of your dreams at the corner laundromat and, \n> wonder of wonders, she's agreed to go out with you this Saturday. Don't \n> blow it! Follow the instructions below and even if you impress your \n> date so much you never see her again, your evening will be a memorable \n> one. All you need are a chauffeur, a change of clothes, and several \n> hundred thousand dollars.\n>\n> Luxury Suite at Pacific Bell Park\n>\n> Third and King streets, 972-2000, www.sfgiants.com\n>\n> Kick off your date with an afternoon at the ballpark -- not just any \n> ballpark, but just about the best ballpark in the country, and not in \n> some drafty, behind-the-plate box seat but in one of the park's lushly \n> accessorized luxury suites. An elevator whisks you from a private \n> entrance on Willie Mays Plaza to your dwelling place above the infield. \n> Besides the excellent views of the bay, the park, and the Giants in \n> action, there's a balcony, a wet bar, a refrigerator, two televisions, \n> a stereo/CD player, a dual-line phone, Internet access, room service, \n> and a concierge to call you a cab or make your restaurant reservations \n> for you. No one is admitted without proper clearance, ensuring your \n> utmost privacy. Next: Pull yourself together for ...\n>\n> Cocktails at Lapis\n>\n> Pier 33 (Embarcadero at Bay), 982-0203,\n>\n> www.lapis-sf.com\n>\n> Now that the Redwood Room has devolved into just another velvet-rope \n> yuppie hangout, the city has no clear-cut, top-of-the-line cocktail \n> lounge such as Chicago's Pump Room or New York's King Cole Bar \n> (although Maxfield's, the Compass Rose, and the Top of the Mark are \n> excellent runners-up). Best of all is Lapis, where the wannabe Noel \n> Coward can sip an estimable Gibson in the lounge adjoining the dining \n> room. The dramatically backlit bar is framed by lush bronze draperies \n> that complement the room's deep-blue setting, and towering ceilings \n> give the lounge a graceful, airy ambience. Floor-to-ceiling windows \n> provide a lush panorama of the bay and the hills beyond.\n>\n>\n> Dinner at the Dining Room\n>\n> Ritz-Carlton Hotel, 600 Stockton (between Pine and\n>\n> California), 296-7465, www.ritzcarlton.com\n>\n> Your next stop on the road to beguilement is one of the handsomest \n> dining rooms in the country. The tranquil sounds of a harp underscore a \n> sumptuous setting of polished mahogany, soft linens, and fine crystal \n> gleaming in the candlelight. Chef Sylvain Portay prepares luxurious \n> nouvelle cuisine in several courses: lobster salad with caviar cream; \n> turbot with crayfish and truffles; roasted squab with port-marinated \n> figs; saffron-poached pear with guanaja chocolate gratin. Sommelier \n> Stéphane Lacroix maintains a fabulous cellar, the service is impeccable \n> and inviting, and intimate discourse is practically inevitable. Next:\n>\n> Charter the Rendezvous From Rendezvous Charters\n>\n> Pier 40 (in South Beach Harbor), 543-7333,\n>\n> www.baysail.com\n>\n> Nothing's more enticing than an evening cruise around San Francisco \n> Bay, and the islands, bridges, and lights of the city are especially \n> entrancing viewed from this vintage brigantine schooner. Built in 1933 \n> and recently restored to its former glory, the 78-foot Rendezvous looks \n> like a clipper ship out of the Gold Rush era, with its 80-foot masts \n> and square-rigged sails. Intricately carved mahogany, pecan, ash, and \n> rosewood accent the brass-railed, velvet-cushioned rooms below decks, \n> the perfect spot for a sip of Veuve Cliquot and some subtle canoodling.\n>\n> Penthouse Suite at the Fairmont Hotel\n>\n> 950 Mason (between California and Sacramento),\n>\n> 772-5000, www.fairmont.com\n>\n> Last but not least, escort your companion to what has been described as \n> the most expensive hotel accommodation in the world: the Fairmont's \n> elaborate penthouse. The eight-room suite (including three bedrooms, \n> three baths, a dining room, a library, a billiard room, a fully \n> equipped kitchen, and a living room with fireplace and baby grand \n> piano) comes with its own maid, butler, and limousine and is accessed \n> by private elevator. The library alone is worth investigating: two \n> circular floors of books encapsulated by a domed ceiling etched with \n> the constellations. The view from the terrace is enthralling, and even \n> if the date's a bust you can always have a hundred people up for \n> cocktails.\n>\n> sfweekly.com \| originally published: May 15, 2002\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"SF Weekly:\n>Nothing's more enticing than an evening cruise around San Francisco Bay, \n>and the islands, bridges, and lights of the city are especially entrancing \n>viewed from this vintage brigantine schooner. Built in 1933 and recently \n>restored to its former glory, the 78-foot Rendezvous looks like a clipper \n>ship out of the Gold Rush era, with its 80-foot masts and square-rigged \n>sails.\n\nThat sounds like fun. But it sets the wrong precedent.\nHere's the better idea. Invite her for an afternoon\ncruise under the Golden Gate bridge in your Stonehorse\nday sailor. Under way, ask her if she'd like to take\nthe stick. Back at slip, cook her dinner. Something\nsimple, but good, maybe a stir fry or a stew, served\nin the cockpit, with an inexpensive but potable wine.\n\nIf she runs away after that, 'tis good riddance. If\nshe wants to try it again, another day, she shows\npromise. If she asks you to show her the V berth, you\nhave a girlfriend. If she notes your brightwork needs\nanother coat, and asks what you're using on it,\npropose on the spot.\n\n;-)\n\n\n_________________________________________________________________\nMSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: \nhttp://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Good idea!\n\nThis could also be a job for P2P; lots of people would love to\ndevote their spare cycles, bandwidth, and unblocked IP addresses\nto giving the Chinese unfettered net access.\n\nIn a sense, this is what the \"peek-a-booty\" project does:\n\n http://www.peek-a-booty.org\n\nBut let's play out the next few moves:\n\nGood Guys: Google enables SSL access\n Bad Guys: Chinese government again blocks all access to Google domains\nGood Guys: Set up Google proxies on ever-changing set of hosts (peek-a-booty)\n Bad Guys: Ban SSL (or any unlicensed opaque traffic) at the national firewall\nGood Guys: Hide Google traffic inside other innocuous-looking activity\n Bad Guys: Require nationwide installation of client-side NetNannyish\n software\nGood Guys: Offer software which disables/spoofs monitoring software\n Bad Guys: Imprison and harvest organs from people found using\n monitoring-disabling-software\n\n...and on and on.\n\nThe best we can hope is that technological cleverness, by raising the\ncosts of oppression or by provoking intolerable oppression, brings\nsocial liberalization sooner rather than later.\n\n- Gordon\n\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: \"Rohit Khare\" <[email protected]>\nTo: <[email protected]>\nSent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:44 PM\nSubject: How about subsidizing SSL access to Google?\n\n\n[a cheeky letter to the editors of the Economist follows, along with the\narticle I was commenting on... Rohit]\n\nIn your article about Chinese attempts to censor Google last week (\"The\nSearch Goes On\", Sept. 19th), the followup correctly noted that the most\nsubversive aspect of Google's service is not its card catalog, which\nmerely points surfers in the right direction, but the entire library. By\nmaintaining what amounts to a live backup of the entire World Wide Web,\nif you can get to Google's cache, you can read anything you'd like.\n\nThe techniques Chinese Internet Service Providers are using to enforce\nthese rules, however, all depend on the fact that traffic to and from\nGoogle, or indeed almost all public websites, is unencrypted. Almost all\nWeb browsers, however, include support for Secure Sockets Layer (SSL)\nencryption for securing credit card numbers and the like. Upgrading to\nSSL makes it effectively impossible for a 'man-in-the-middle' to meddle;\ncensorship would have to be imposed on each individual computer in\nChina. The only choice left is to either ban the entire site (range of\nIP addresses), but not the kind of selective filtering reported on in\nthe article.\n\nOf course, the additional computing power to encrypt all this traffic\ncosts real money. If the United States is so concerned about the free\nflow of information, why shouldn't the Broadcasting Board of Governors\nsponsor an encrypted interface to Google, or for that matter, the rest\nof the Web?\n\nTo date, public diplomacy efforts have focused on public-sector\nprogramming for the Voice of America, Radio Sawa, and the like. Just\nimagine if the US government got into the business of subsidizing secure\naccess to private-sector media instead. Nothing illustrates the freedom\nof the press as much as the wacky excess of the press itself -- and most\nof it is already salted away at Google and the Internet Archive project.\n\nOn second thought, I can hardly imagine this Administration promoting\nthe use of encryption to uphold privacy rights. Never mind...\n\nBest,\n Rohit Khare\n\n===========================================================\n\nThe search goes on\nChina backtracks on banning Google—up to a point\n\nSep 19th 2002 \| BEIJING\n From The Economist print edition\n\nIN CHINESE, the nickname for Google, an American Internet search engine,\nis gougou, meaning “doggy”. For the country's fast-growing population of\nInternet users (46m, according to an official estimate), it is proving\nan elusive creature. Earlier this month, the Chinese authorities blocked\naccess to Google from Internet service providers in China—apparently\nbecause the search engine helped Chinese users to get access to\nforbidden sites. Now, after an outcry from those users, access has been\nrestored.\n\nAn unusual climbdown by China's zealous Internet censors? Hardly. More\nsophisticated controls have now been imposed that make it difficult to\nuse Google to search for material deemed offensive to the government.\nAccess is still blocked to the cached versions of web pages taken by\nGoogle as it trawls the Internet. These once provided a handy way for\nChinese users to see material stored on blocked websites.\n\nAfter the blocking of Google on August 31st, many Chinese Internet users\nposted messages on bulletin boards in China protesting against the move.\nTheir anger was again aroused last week when some Chinese Internet\nproviders began rerouting users trying to reach the blocked Google site\nto far less powerful search engines in China.\n\nDuncan Clark, the head of a Beijing-based technology consultancy firm,\nBDA (China) Ltd, says China is trying a new tactic in its efforts to\ncensor the Internet. Until recently, it had focused on blocking\nindividual sites, including all pages stored on them. Now it seems to be\nfiltering data transmitted to or from foreign websites to search for key\nwords that might indicate undesirable content. For example earlier this\nweek when using Eastnet, a Beijing-based Internet provider, a search on\nGoogle for Falun Gong—a quasi-Buddhist exercise sect outlawed in China—\nusually aborted before all the results had time to appear. Such a search\nalso rendered Google impossible to use for several minutes.\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"At 5:22 PM -0400 on 9/23/02, Tom wrote:\n\n\n> --]> A Green once said that if the Spotted Owl hadn't existed they\n> --]> would have had to invent it.\n> --]A Republican once said \"I am not a crook\".\n> --]\n>\n> Oh great, another round of Lableisms....Let me know when you get back to\n> real data..\n\nNot me. I have another one, instead:\n\n Green = Red.\n\n;-).\n\nCheers,\nRAH\n\n-- \n-----------------\nR. A. Hettinga <mailto: [email protected]>\nThe Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>\n44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA\n\"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,\n[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to\nexperience.\" -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Gordon Mohr wrote:\n--]\n--]The best we can hope is that technological cleverness, by raising the\n--]costs of oppression or by provoking intolerable oppression, brings\n--]social liberalization sooner rather than later.\n\nIn a very real sense we are still playing the \"stone hurst man, man wears\nhide, stone dont hurt no more so now we use arrows, arrows go thru hide\ndang lets try this chain mail stuff, arrows dont go thru chain mail so now\nwe try crafting long spears with chain ripping heads, hey there buddy try\nthat against my plate mail, well F you and the horse you plated try doging\na bullets, holy shit where is my kevlar, does you kevlar stop nukes...\"\ngame.\n\nIn this mad mad mad mad james burkian cum chucky darwin world there is no\nrest for either the wicked or the nonwicked, there is just the ramp up to\nthe Brand New Jimmiez.\n\nthe trick I think should all be learning is not so much looking for the\nTHE KILLER APP but instead to look for the \"really cool app that mutates\nto meet changes\"\n\nBascialy give china no choise but to shoot its own head off to stop the\nmusic.\n\nbang bang ... have a nice day.\n\n-tom\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"funny. i read it as green = red, as in accounting, as in fiscally\nirresponsible. which do you think is the worse indictment - overregulation\nor overspending? there are many (dickheads) who buy into the\nneo-conservative media's (fox's) definiton of \"liberal\" as \"one who seeks to\nimpose both.\"\n\nhannity and glove.\n\nbest quote, wish i could remember who said it: \"we tend to describe our own\nparty by its ideals and our opponents' party by its reality.\"\n\ngeege\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill\nHumphries\nSent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:00 PM\nTo: [email protected]\nSubject: Re: Goodbye Global Warming\n\n\nOn Monday, September 23, 2002, at 03:25 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote:\n\n> Green = Red.\n\n\t\tCapitalist = Nazi.\n\n\t\tInformation content of the above statements === 0.\n\nMeanwhile, the angels of light (tm) are having a great knock-down\ndrag-out with the eldrich kings of .NET on XML-DEV.\n\n-- whump\n\n\n----\nBill Humphries <[email protected]>\nhttp://www.whump.com/moreLikeThis/\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"It's only 64kbps, but http://noise.ktru.org/ can be tasty. Presently \nplaying Fille Qui Mousse, Collage in Progress, and other happy nibbles.\nSounds a bit like The Avalanches, but that will change soon.\n\nCheers,\nWayne\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 [email protected] wrote:\n\n--]Klez, most likely. It'll pick up your address and send mail to all your\n--]friends, and your strangers, as if coming from you. Nice way to lose friends\n--]and meet strangers. Better than typing gibberish (or Hemingway, but I repeat\n--]myself) in a bar with a double of scotch.\n\n\nFriends dont let friends use Outlook....even after a douly shot of the\nscotch with a chaser.\n\nAll hands on the stinky one.\n\n-tom(the other tommeat)\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"This situation wouldn't have happened in the first place if California\ndidn't have economically insane regulations. They created a regulatory\nclimate that facilitated this. So yes, it is the product of\nover-regulation.\n\n\n-James Rogers\n [email protected]\n\n\nOn Tue, 2002-09-24 at 05:17, Geege Schuman wrote:\n> from slate's \"today's papers\": \n> The New York Times and Los Angeles Times both lead with word that\n> a federal judge ruled yesterday that the nation's largest\n> national gas pipeline company, El Paso, illegally withheld gas\n> from the market during California's energy squeeze in 2000-01.\n> The judge concluded that El Paso left 21 percent of its capacity\n> in the state off-line, thus driving up the price of gas and\n> helping to induce rolling blackouts. \n> \n> and this is the product of overregulation?\n\n\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I am wondering whether there's a way that I can use sitescooper and/or plucker\nor some other free utility to convert word documents into something a bit\nmore palmos friendly?\n\nI don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them;\nI know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some\nother more friendly format.\n-- \nTcl'2002 Sept 16, 2002, Vancouver, BC http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2002/\nLarry W. Virden <mailto:[email protected]> <URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/>\nEven if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should \nbe construed as representing my employer's opinions.\n-><-\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------\nThis sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek\nWelcome to geek heaven.\nhttp://thinkgeek.com/sf\n_______________________________________________\nSitescooper-talk mailing list\[email protected]\nhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sitescooper-talk\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Rohit Khare wrote:\n\n> I suppose this is a modern equivalent to line-printer artwork; I was \n> imagining using a CD-RW drive to use the outer track, say, to spell out \n> the disc title, creation time, etc. It would sure beat feeding CDs \n> through a laser printer :-)\n\nThere are commercial burners which can be labeled that way. Patterns in \nthe unburnt section.\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"Anyone heard of this law before?\n\n> Q. Can I get a playlist?\n> A. We are unable to offer a playlist. The Digital Performance Right in \n> Sound Recordings Act of 1995 passed by Congress prevents us from \n> disclosing such information. The Digital Law states that if one is \n> transmitting a digital signal, song information cannot be \n> pre-announced. It is a Music Choice policy not to release a playlist of \n> upcoming or previously played songs.\n\nRecently, MusicChoice upgraded their website with a very important \nservice, as far as I'm concerned: real-time song info from their \nwebsite. My DirecTV receiver is up on a shelf (and its display scrolls \nintermittently); and I'm surely not going to fire up my projector while \nlistening to the \"radio\", so I'm quite happy that I can retrieve r/t \nsong info with URLs like:\n\nhttp://backstage.musicchoice.com/songid/channels/soundsoftheseasons.asp\nhttp://backstage.musicchoice.com/songid/channels/rap.asp\nhttp://backstage.musicchoice.com/songid/channels/opera.asp\netc...\n\nNow, if I were a more eager hacker, I'd write up little WSDL stubs for \nthese event streams (they're clearly not worried about load, since their \nown web pages specify 15 sec meta-refresh) and then feed 'em through a \ncontent router to alert me to cool songs. Heck, cross-reference the \nservice to CDDB and... :-)\n\nRK\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"OK, let's bring some data into the discussion:\nhttp://www.grida.no/climate/vital/02.htm\n(A graph, derived from Vostok ice core samples, of CO2 and temperature\nfluctuations over the past 400k years).\n\n> Recent high-resolution studies of historical CO2 concentrations and\n> temperatures over hundreds of thousands of years have shown a modest\n> correlation between the two. In a number of cases, CO2 level increases\n> are not in phase with temperature increases and actually trail the\n> increase in temperature by a short time i.e. increases in temperature\n> preceded increases in CO2 concentrations. The more studies that are done\n> of the geological record, the more it seems that CO2 concentrations are\n> correlated with temperature increases, but are not significantly\n> causative.\n\nBased on the Vostok data, you are right, there is a very strong correlation\nbetween temperature and CO2 concentrations, but it doesn't always appear to\nbe causal.\n\n> With respect to absolute CO2 concentrations, it is also important to\n> point out that our best data to date suggests that they follow a fairly\n> regular cycle with a period of about 100,000 years.\n\nAlso correct -- the peak of each cycle is at about 290-300 ppm CO2.\n\n> As it\n> happens, current CO2 concentrations are within 10% of other previous\n> cyclical concentration peaks for which we have good data.\n\nNot correct. Mauna Loa data <http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/06.htm> and\n<http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ndp001/maunaloa.co2> show that the current CO2\nconcentrations are at 370ppm, 18% greater than the highest recorded\nvalue from the past 400k years. Furthermore, CO2 concentrations are growing\nat 15ppm every 10 years, much faster than any recorded increase in the\nVostok data (though perhaps the Vostok data isn't capable of such fine\nresolution).\n\n> In other words, we may be adding to the CO2 levels,\n\nNo, we are definitely adding to CO2 levels. Look at the following chart:\nhttp://www.grida.no/climate/vital/07.htm\n(Shows CO2 concentrations since 1870, the \"historical record\").\n\nNot only is the CO2 increase over 130 years unprecedented in the Vostok\nrecord, it is clear that the rate of change is increasing, not decreasing.\nThere is no other compelling explanation for this increase, except for\nanthropogenic input. You're really out on the fringe if you're debating\nthis -- even global warming skeptics generally concede this point.\n\n> but it looks a lot like we\n> would be building a molehill on top of a mountain in the historical\n> record. At the very least, there is nothing anomalous about current CO2\n> concentrations.\n\nWrong again. Current CO2 levels are currently unprecedented over the past\n400k years, unless there is some mechanism that allows CO2 levels to quickly\nspike, and then return back to \"normal\" background levels (and hence the\nspike might not show up in the ice cores).\n\nStill, by around 2075-2100 we will have reached 500 ppm CO2, a level that\neven you would have a hard time arguing away.\n\n> Also, CO2 levels interact with the biosphere in a manner that ultimately\n> affects temperature. Again, the interaction is not entirely\n> predictable, but this is believed to be one of the regulating negative\n> feedback systems mentioned above.\n\nYes, clouds and oceans are a big unknown. Still, we know ocean water has a\nfinite capacity to store CO2, and if the world temperature doesn't increase,\nbut we all have Seattle-like weather all the time, the effects would be\nenormous.\n\n> Last, as greenhouse gases go, CO2 isn't particularly potent, although it\n> makes up for it in volume in some cases. Gases such as water and\n> methane have a far greater impact as greenhouse gases on a per molecule\n> basis. Water vapor may actually be the key greenhouse gas, something\n> that CO2 only indirectly effects through its interaction with the\n> biosphere.\n\nCorrect.\n\nData on relative contributions of greenhouse gasses:\nhttp://www.grida.no/climate/vital/05.htm\n\nNote that methane concentrations now are much higher than pre-industrial\nlevels (many cows farting, and rice paddies outgassing), and methane is also\na contributor in the formation of atmospheric water vapor. Another clearly\nanthropogenic increase in a greenhouse gas. I'm in favor of reductions in\nmethane levels as well.\n\nData on water vapor here:\nhttp://www.agu.org/sci_soc/mockler.html\n\n> CO2 was an easy mark for early environmentalism, but all the recent\n> studies and data I've seen gives me the impression that it is largely a\n> passenger on the climate ride rather than the driver.\n\nI tend to think that holistic, and techical approaches would work best in\nreducing global warming. I favor an energy policy that has a mix of solar,\nwind and nuclear, with all carbon-based combustion using renewable sources\nof C-H bonds. Aggressive pursuit of carbon sink strategies also makes sense\n(burying trees deep underground, for example). Approaches that involve\nreductions in lifestyle to a \"sustainable\" level are unrealistic --\nAmericans just won't do it (you'd be surprised at the number of climate\nchange researchers driving SUVs). But, as California showed during last\nyear's energy crisis, shifts in patterns of consumption are possible, and\nimproved efficiency is an easy sell.\n\n- Jim\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 13:34, [email protected] wrote:\n> \n> This, kiddies was apparently the legislative beginnings of the whole\n> streaming audio-gets-spanked-by-fees ruling that came down in the\n> earlier parts of this year. This first act applied to non-exempt,\n> non-subscription transmission services. When Congress got around in\n> 1998 and realized that webcasting services -might- be different\n> (though I honestly can't see how) they wrote in the provision through\n> the DMCA to include such transmissions.\n\n\nThe restrictive law regarding audio is actually the accumulated cruft of\n30 years of various legislative acts. The totality of what we have now\ncome from various parts of all the following re: sound recordings:\n\n1998 - DMCA\n1995 - Digital Performance Right in Sound Recordings Act\n1992 - Audio Home Recording Act\n1976 - Copyright Act amendment\n1972 - Copyright Act amendment\n\nIt is worth noting that many people have forgotten about the 1976\nCopyright Act Amendment which created the foundational law stating that\nthe copyright owners have the right to limit personal use of audio\nrecordings after First Sale even if you are not \"making copies\" in any\ncommercial sense. Sound recordings, for many intents and purposes, are\nexplicitly excluded from Fair Use by the 1976 amendment.\n\n-James Rogers\n [email protected]\n\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"\"Joseph S. Barrera III\" <[email protected]> writes:\n\n> Let's say you're behind a firewall and have a NAT address.\n> Is there any way to telnet to a linux box out there in the world\n> and set your DISPLAY in some way that you can create\n> xterms on your own screen?\n\nAssuming your local display is X, SSH.\n\n-- \nKarl Anderson [email protected] http://www.monkey.org/~kra/\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"> Subject: Re: Digital radio playlists are prohibited?!\n> From: James Rogers <[email protected]>\n> To: [email protected]\n> Date: 25 Sep 2002 12:52:15 -0700\n> \n> On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 01:19, Rohit Khare wrote:\n> > Anyone heard of this law before?\n> \n> \n> Absolutely. More accurately, it is part of the RIAAs \"regulation\" for\n> broadcasting music under their auspices. This is actually part of the\n> default statutory license the RIAA is compelled to issue. You can try\n> and establish your own contract with each of the individual publishers\n> in addition to the writers, but that is a Herculean undertaking in its\n> own right. The details are really gross and complicated.\n\nPerhaps the stations cannot publish digital playlists, but you can get\nthem from www.starcd.com anyway. They use some sort of\nlistening and recognition technology to identify the music played\non over 1000 US radio stations.\n\nJeff;\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Jim Whitehead wrote:\n\n> I attended the OSCOM Open Source Content Management workshop at \n> Berkeley\n> yesterday.\n\nI really wanted to go to this, especially to look at XOPUS. \nUnfortunately, we're launching a new intranet at work next week and I \ncouldn't get away. XOPUS + an XML native DB such as Xindice looks like \nsomething that could hit a home run.\n\n-- whump\n\"I have a theory, it could be bunnies.\"\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"I'll agree that webforms are a pain in the ass, however it would seem to \nme that the problem with passport is the same one you noted with the \nautoform function, providing more info than you want to. That and some \nentity would be holding the passport info, thus have all that data in the \nfirst place.\nPersonally i'd never trust them not to at least use it internally to \nmarket to me, if not sell/rent out. Just think of the ability \nthey'd have to build a profile for you since everything you went to was \ntracked to you. And thats just the marketing side of it.\n\nChris\n\n\n\nOn Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote:\n\n> What's wrong with doing business over the Web? Web forms. There's\n> promising replacements forms, but this is the current state of the\n> industry:\n> \n> o You find something that you want to fill out. It's a partnership form,\n> a signup for a Web seminar, a request for more information, anything.\n> o You start wasting time typing in all those stupid fields and spend\n> about 10 minutes going through all their stupid qualification hoops\n> just to get a small piece of information , whitepaper, or a callback\n> when halfway through, you start to wonder if it's really worth your\n> time to forever be stuck on their stupid prospect list. \n> o Pull down tags are never put in order of use instead of alphabetized.\n> I was on a site just now that had every single country in the world\n> listed; the selection of your country was absolutely critical for you\n> to hit submit, but due to the layout, the \"more>\" tag on the second\n> row was offscreen so it was impossible to select any country except\n> about two dozen third world countries. \n> o Even worse, ever time you hit submit, all forms based things complain\n> about using the universal country phone number format and will cause\n> you to re-enter dashes instead of dots.\n> o When you get something that's not entered right, you will go back and\n> enter it right, but then some other field or most likely pulldown will\n> automatically get reset to the default value so that you will have to\n> go back and resent that freaking thing too. Finally after all combinations\n> of all pulldowns, you may get a successful submit.\n> o You wait freaking forever just to get a confirmation. \n> o Sometimes, like today, you won't be able to ever submit anything due\n> to it being impossible to ever submit a valid set of information that\n> is internally non-conflicting according to whatever fhead wrote their\n> forms submission.\n> \n> What's wrong with this picture? The company is screwing you by wasting\n> your time enforcing their data collection standards on you. I'm sure there's\n> someone in that company that would be willing to accept \"US\", \"U.S\", \"USA\"\n> \"United States\", \"U of A\", \"America\", etc. and would know exactly which\n> freaking country the interested party was from instead of forcing them\n> to waste even more time playing Web form geography. \n> \n> I'm starting to see the light of Passport. You want more information? Hit\n> this passport button. Voila. IE6 and Netscape 6,7 have pre-forms sutff,\n> but I always turn it off because you never know when there's that one field\n> that you don't want to submit to the person you are submitting to that \n> automatically gets sent, i.e. the privacy stuff is well beyond the \n> average user who will get screwed on privacy stuff. \n> \n> So, if crappy forms-based submission is the state of practice for\n> business enablement on the Web, I can't see this whole data submission\n> and hurry up and wait for us to get back to you business process as\n> working all that well.\n> \n> \n> Greg\n> \n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	">>>>> \"B\" == Bill Humphries <[email protected]> writes:\n\n B> Yes, but this is what normally happened:\n\n B> Engineer: we can put ...\n B> Designer: there's a ...\n B> Creative Director: I want it in blue ...\n\n\nYup, seen it happen oodles of times, only all three of those folks\nare one and the same person. The fourth is the business manager\nwho says \"whatever, so long as you do it on your own time\"\n\n-- \nGary Lawrence Murphy - [email protected] - TeleDynamics Communications\n - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -\n \"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.\" (Picasso)\n\n\n"
1ham	easy_ham	"At 09:02 AM 9/29/02 -0700, Elias wrote:\n\n>I'm about to undertake a massive project to index/catalog well over one \n>thousand CDs that have been ripped to MP3 and set up a server to stream \n>them to different rooms in the house. (Yes, I own them all, no I'm not \n>broadcasting them to the 'net.) Can anyone give me some recommendations as \n>to what (free? opensource?) software is best suited for this task? I know \n>there are a few FoRKs out there who have tackled this problem before...\n\nSee if http://www.jwz.org/gronk/ meets your needs.\n\nUdhay\n\n-- \n((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))\n\n\n"
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