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<s>[INST] CPR9 Activation for CPR-7 Installations ?? I have got an installation of RSLinx enterprise of CPR-7. While I received the activations handed over by the System Integrator, it is in CPR-9 FTA enabled. System is installed and running but can I use this CPR-9 FT Activation for my CPR-7 installations when they are required later? [/INST] Have a look here:http://rockwellautomation.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/rockwellautomation.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=52551 In short, RSLinx Enterprise needs to be version 5.00 or above in order to support FTA. The pdf with the matrix is downlodable from this technote: http://rockwellautomation.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/rockwellautomation.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=31705 \n </s>

<s>[INST] Maintained Contact for start?? I have a PF 400 and I thought I could confiqure it to use just a push to start momentary button and it would maintain but everytime I let go of said button it shuts down. I would rather not have a latching relay as I would need to have one more speciality item on the shelf for repairs. I would also rather not have a maintained button for the start for the same reason. Any ideas on confiquring the drive or relays would be greatly appreciated. DDP [/INST] DDP, you may want to use the configuration indicated in the screenshot... in any case you need to use another pushbutton to stop the drive... :smileysurprised: Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic OK I see it now, I have it confiqured under 2 wire:smileysad:. I am using a maintained lighted E-stop.Thanks Again FL. \n </s>

<s>[INST] SLC/01 cable? Sending this message again. Don't know if I posted it. I want to know what cable or module I need to montor or program a SLC/01 plc. [/INST] SLC 5/01 has a DH-485 port available...you may use the old 1747-PIC (RS-232 to DH-485), but it is better to use the new 1747-UIC (USB to DH-485) with its cable, as indicated in the attached table... old *PIC* driver has several problem to run on new Operating Systems...Other options in the table are still valid, but more expansive than -UIC... :smileysurprised: Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Thnaks, Would you happen to know if this will be needed if i connect a operatot interface (EZ TEXT Panel) which uses a ez-dh485 cable. Would I need both? The SLC 5/01 has only one comm port... the EZ panel will use its cable to communicate with it, and if you want to program/monitor your SLC you'll need also what suggested in previous post... and you will need to disconnect the Operator Panel to use the SLC comm port....unless you create a DH-485 network, to have all the devices connected together...but it is another story.... :smileytongue: Hope this clarifies… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Serial printer with micrologix 1000 I want know if is possible print reports using a serial printer with micrologix 1000(without PC or panelview). Now I have a Epson TMU 220 printer, but if you can helpme with another kinds of printer it`s mucho usefull to me. thank you for you time [/INST] Arael, here you ask about Micrologix 1000, and this is my post # 1000 in the Forum !:smileyvery-happy: (let me have this short self-glory moment...! :smileytongue: ) After that, I have a sad news for you... Micrologix 1000 doesn't support ASCII protocol over its serial port, that is needed to obtain what you need (Aid 41007)... I'm afraid to have to say this in this post... :smileysad: - fuzzy logic Thank you soo much Fuzzy Logic. Now can I you ask something similar, now I try to send ascii char to a printer o better send a report directy using a Micrologix(1100, 1200, 1500) without a PC, PV or VV. I try see common articules on the forum but I not allow to see and I can't contact with my AB TechConnect support to my country if you have any information about this it's wellcome. Thank you ofr your time. You may use AWT instruction to obtain what you need...some infos are in the Instruction Reference Manual for these controllers... Also I've sent you a Private Message here in the Forum with some examples... open it using the envelope icon on right upper part of the Forum.... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Thank you soo much again Fuzzy, if you can send me a examples, I'll wainting for. Thank you soo mucho again and thanks for you time a pacient to me. \n </s>

<s>[INST] OPC Tag data arrays in GE Cimplicity PE I'm wondering if it is more efficient to pull in tag data in GE Cimplicity PE as one point for a whole array of 100 or one point for each tag. I noticed in RSLinx Classic Pro's Active DDE/OPC Topic/Item List that there are fewer items, but I don't really know if it is better or more efficient. My 6 Cimplicity projects on one server are currently using around ControlLogix 7000 tags from a total of 5 PLC's, the recommended max from Rockwell, so I am trying to decide if I need to plan to setup another OPC server, move some projects to another server, or if I have found a way to move data more efficiently. Eventually, I'd love to move to the FTView SE and RSLinx Enterprise, but right now I have to use what I've got. Thanks, Jeffrey [/INST] If Cimplicity allows you to address tags in blocks (i.e. an array instead of many individual address) and if you plan on using most or all of those addresses, it would be more efficient to use that type of addressing. You might want to check out the ControlLogix Performance White Paper. Most versions of RSLinx install this to C:\Program Files\Rockwell Software\RSLINX\ENU (in HTML format). This is a rarity - a white paper that is easy to read and full of useful information. You should find a lot of helpful optimization tips here. Yes, Cimplicity can read data in arrays or blocks instead of individually. I'll have do some work on the possibility of optimizing the UDT's, but the data arrays should be an easy fix that just takes time and a little development. After reading the the white pages that you suggested, I see room for lots of opportunities of improvement, and this could possibly cut down on some of the OPC-related issues that I've been experiencing between Cimplicity PE and RSLinx Classic Pro and Gateway. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Task and routine descriptions Hi All, I'm new to logix. Can someone tell me how to increase the maximun size of the task and routine descriptions? Thanks, Jim [/INST] Here from the RS5000 online help: In the Description field, enter a description of the task.This description cannot exceed 128 characters. If you try to enter more than 128 characters, the system notifies you and it ignores the extra characters. Do you need more than 128 characters ? Or just the problem is another ? :smileysurprised: - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] PowerFlex 40 - Minimum Mounting Clearances - is a wiring duct concidered as an obstable is the wiring duct considered as an obstacle that restrict the air flow?? should I absolutley respect the 4.7 inch clearance even if i'm installing the drives inside a cooled enclosure (A/C) , is there any chart document that can show me what's is the minimum clearance to respect according to the ambiante temperature? if I can guaranty that the temperature inside the enclosure will never increase more that 35celcius degrees, should I respect the 4.7 inches clearance between the PF40 drive and the wiring duct ?? Thank you for your help [/INST] The clearance indicated in the User Manual should be respected (and wiring duct is considered an obstacle to the air flow), to avoid drive failure.... technote 34911 has details on this argument... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] RSLinx OEM, Windows 2000, ControlNet PCIC A My system developed a problem on a startup. RSLinxOEM will not find any devices on startup. I just applied the changes in Tech Note (or answer ID) 43674 and it did not help. The firmware on the PCIC A card is now 3.10.Windows2000 is SP4, The link version is 2.42 Build 18. PCIC A Firmware 3.10Driver 4.06.01 WDM To make the system work I must disable the device in device managed and then re-enable it until Linx finds the devices on the control net. I could use some assistance ! Thanks! Jim [/INST] Try to modify the following Registry Key : [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\VirtualBackplane] Start=dword:00000001 USE CAUTION WHEN EDITING THE REGISTRY. MISTAKES IN REGISTRY EDITING CAN CORRUPT THE REGISTRY TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO REINSTALL THE OPERATING SYSTEM. Be sure to export the registry to a new file name before making changes in the original registry. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Thank you for the fuzzy logic solution that took care of that issue! This issue you solved came up as a side issue to another problem we are trying to work through.Our PC's running the HMI has an ethernet network as well as a control net. The Ethernet is not intentionally used by RSlinx, but whenever the ethernet connection is broken, the OPC communication stops and never resumes without restarting the Wonderware Application.RSlinx Communication events shows a Contrologix Disconnected message. Do you have any experience in that area Fuzzy? Thanks for listening and helping, it is truly appreciated! Jim Thanks for your feedback and Kudos ! :smileytongue: About the other issue you have.... may you post a screenshot with the RSLinx Communication event you get ? Also, it could be useful to see the Topic configuration you're using.... In order to post an image, take your screenshot, save it as a .jpg file, reduce its size to accomodate in the forum post without problems (I think 500 pixels in width could be fine) and use Add Attachments on the right side of your new reply. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Continous Motion Control I have a system that uses Kinetix 6000 drives to control servo motors for positioning. I was wanting to know if there is a way to use a continous move command that will follow a setpoint from a feedback device. So if the signal goes positive the servos will go forward and if the signal goes negative the servos reverse. I can only see motion commands that exucute once, not one that is continous. Is there a way to do this? [/INST] Others have asked similar questions. Some options you can consider:- 1.Set the absolute posiiton of the servo to zero at its mid so that it can swing positive and negative (a home routine would be required on power up)Scale your PID output to correspond to absolute position.Every time your PID block is done - just execute an absolute MAM (just ensure you are't doing this too quick an update).Note - it doesn't matter if there's no new position to go to - if the servo is alreadt at the destination - it will go no where with a new absolute MAM to the same place. 2. If you want to do something with incremental moves instead, just periodically refresh an MAM instruction at a chosen rate again. Well unfortunately this application has to be continous. Refreshing the MAM instruction doesn't work because the updates are too fast. Right now we have to use MAJ to get it to work with a routine that looks for error and then corrects it when it gets out of the tolerance. Neither of your suggestions will work, we have tried them. There's no continuous move instruction that I know of, but if there was you would have to :- Refresh the instruction (or some buffer register) with the required new position. Wait for the next Sercos refresh to load the new position to the motion planner. Allow the servo closed loop control to move the servo. If you programmed your motion in structured text, there are advantages in that your motion instructions can execute every scan of your code (as long as what you are doing doesn't generate Instruction Collision erros). Without going into detail of the cascaded loops of a PID process, tuning dynamics, loop refresh rates and positive feedback etc that can cause response issues, and going back to the question of is there a means of implementing a continuous move - yes there is. An MAM operating every scan in structured text would do exactly the same thing as a continuous move instruction would, considering you would have to pass the new position in your code to it somehow, and it then wait for that to go over the Sercos network. The only way you could improve on a free running MAM is to somehow have a 'gear' of the servo locked to an analog signal going straight into the Kinetix such that the operation totally bypasses your PLC code - sort of thing like 10V = a position, 0v = another position etc. I don't think this can be done - but firmware and software changes all the time - so it might be available now? Good luck with your process, if an MAM hasn't proved satisfactory for you then others reading here may be able to help. Thanks for the reply Norwich. This application uses a contact roll to put continuous pressure against a roll that is being wound. Continuous movement keeps the density of the roll from changing. We tried the MAM in ladder and it would only execute one move, then lock up. Perhaps it had something to do with update rates, motion planner, etc... I do not have access to the structured text programming features. I think you answered my question in yes there is continuous movement in a very roundabout way. We have other motion controllers that will follow a position. Hopefully AB will be able to come up with this sometime in the near future. What type of feedback is coming from this external device, actual feedback counts or a variable voltage? If feedback type and it is compatible with our auxiliary port, then you could configure this input as a feedback only axis and then use either MAG (gearing) or MAPC (position cam) to have the controlled axis follow it. Hope I'm not too far off base. example attached as per our messages Thanks for the example NorwichUK, I will check it out and see if it fits our application. The feedback is a calculated diameter in the PLC. So it is not an exernal device. It would be in the program. I am doing something similar with CLX, M08SE, and Kinetics 6K. Our input is an aux feedback encoder that I MAG a Virtual Axis to, then use in a MAPC. However, if you CPT the diameter to a contact roll position value, then MRP the position value to the Contact Roll Virtual Axis.ActualPosition, you can MAG your Contact Roll Servo axis to the Virtual Axis. Additionally you can make the Ratio parameter a variable if the diameter on your roll varies with width. I am not sure that I completely understand your application, but it seems like Electronic Camming or Gearing would be the way to go. You can have your feedback device be the Master and the positioning servos be the Slave. You can set this up for continuous operation. The description of the problem sounds more like a web handling problem than a discrete motion problem. When doing web handling you would just set the follower to a torque value. The motor would change speed but maintain a constant torque. In a motor torque is current. Sometimes the follower would be driven and you would need a negative voltage to keep a constant current/torque. Some time the follower would need to push and you would need a positive voltage to keep a constant current/torque. I still find it fascinating to watch this on a scope and see voltage vary from plus to minus, the speed change, and see current stay constant. Sometimes there is a little instability when voltage goes to zero but most systems pass threw this point fairly quickly. This simple method deals with all the problems of followers on changing diameter with out have to do any complicated calculations. I should add. I have not tied this but have always thought you could get an axis to run in torque mode by:Set the Position Error to Status and ignore itSet the torque in the Torque Offset attributeEnable the axisI probably missed some setups but these should be the major ones. I would like to know if this works. I will not be able to try it for several months. To run the axis in Torque Mode all you have to do is change the loop configuration on the Drive/Motor tab for the axis. In this configuration, all that is fed to the servo loop is TorqueOffset. In this mode, the Position Error will automaticaly be ignored. Is the new kinetix 300 drive something for your problem? \n </s>

<s>[INST] Queuing first out alarm If there are 20 causes to trip a unit, to find out the first cause, some first out logic were derived. But if the first out cause to be saved up to 5 times, is it possible to develop a ladder logic in RSLogix 5000? [/INST] I've usually only saved the last first-out trip. Each trip should check a common trip latch bit, and if the latch is not set, then save this trip as the first-out, then set the common latch. The common latch prevents any additional trips from over-writing the first-out. A reset will clear the common latch, and clear the first-out. If you need to keep a history of the last 5 first-out trips, you can shift the first-out into a table on a reset (but you may need to make sure that additional presses of the reset button do not continue to shift the table when there is no new first-out). Jeff Thanks for the reply, but is it possible for you to write a sample ladder logic for that in RSLogix 5000? First fault latching in ladder logic is no better than the scan time. Often you get multiple hits. Also since IO is asynchronous to logic scan you can get false indications. The new Alarms and Events system may help this. I just did my first application with alarms and events. For several critical faults I set the IO for immediate updates. I still have not figured out how to get the A&E logic to execute immediately on changes. Next I will need to look a the times in A&E to figure out which really happened first. I do not have it all done yet. Has anyone else taken first fault trapping to this level? \n </s>

<s>[INST] devicenet can anyone explain how to do manual mapping as well as on auot mapping in devicenet communication. Thank you [/INST] I suggest to read the following technotes, as well as the Online Help in RSNetworx software. Aid 22309 Aid 51686 Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Master Disk support Hi, I would like to know when the Master Disk activation will be remove? We have some old licences that aren’t on our contract support (TechConnect) and we are still using Master Disk to activate them. Thanks! (Sorry for my English, I'm French speaking) [/INST] Martin, Master Disk (EVRSI) Activation will not works with future releases of Rockwell Software products..original plan was to support it until CPR10, now it seems there will be an extension beyond that CPR... see FactoryTalk Activation FAQ... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic New product there will not be master disk for.Existing products, it's a matter of quality. If you notice the evrsi tool is at version 4.x It took 4 major revisions to get all the kinks out and things microsoft changed, etc.They are still making changes to the FTA system, Rockwell will not be happy until they get everything right before they yank EVRSI away.I know for example, the next release of the FTA Tool will only have one tool, and end having two. Too many cases of installing the wrong tool adding time and frustration. So, CPR 10 was the first goal date, but it will likely not happen as they are introducing a new set of tools then and will need to see how things go. They will make an announcement, this is something that effects all their software products, in every environment. How can we get more familar with the factory talk activation ?? I still using also master disk and worked ok. I keep pushing the limit to run on factory talk every sofware updated !!!! Ask your distributor for a few temporary activations. \n </s>

<s>[INST] FactoryTalk Studio in Hand Held Terminal(Windows CE) In one of my project i am using the Factory Talk Studio as a SCADA station and i want to use the Hand Held Terminal(Mobile PC) to give input values from the filed while roaming in the site(Wireless Network).The Hand held Terminal will be having windows CE operating system.Can i use the factory talk studio in Hand held terminal ?If anybody can clarify it please reply to this forum [/INST] Unfortunately this isn't possible...:smileysad: See Aid 61359 Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Can i use RS View 32 in Handheld Terminal(Windows CE) ? No you can't. See Aid 42682 for Software Compatibility Matrix. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] UID/UIE instructions In RSLogix5000, the UID/UIE instructions can be nested pairs as required. Is there limitation for nested depth? If there are two pairs UID/UIE instructions nested, and there are some rungs between two UIEs, will these rungs be interrupted by other higher priority task or not? [/INST] You have to be VERY careful in executing this type of code since it can lock your program into a cycle that actually keeps it from executing any other part of your code, produce communication loss, and just plain ruin your scan time. Personally I would not nest these instructions. Just because you can doesn't mean it's advisable. I don't know of any limitation on nesting instructions but I usually try to think of the person coming behind me that has to troubleshoot the program. UID/UIE does not just set or toggle a flag -- there is a UID count maintained. Since the smallest data type available for counting anything is a SINT, I would ASSUME (Note that I am assuming here!!!) that the count (nesting) could reach at least 127 (largest value for a signed 8-bit integer). Check the RSLogix 5000 Release Notes for information also. I seem to recall that when UID/UIE first came out, there was an issue, later fixed, with the UID count not being cleared on Prescan -- so you could get the controller into a state where you had to put the key in PROG and cycle power to get back. I agree with everything fordtt said about being VERY careful in how you use UID/UIE. You are preventing any other user Task from interrupting, and since periodic/event tasks are higher priority than comms like responding to HMI messages, you can block out your HMI (wireframes) and knock RSLogix 5000 offline. Keep the amount of code in the block down to the minimum necessary, and flag the code with unmissable rung comments describing exactly what you are doing and why. Avoid looping the block (or infinite loops withing the block!) if at all possible. Note that exiting a Routine or Program or Task doesn't automatically restore the UID count to what it was when you entered (or to zero). And as with any special coding technique, test the bejeebers out of it! If it's in a controller, it's probably (eventually, somehow) safety related. Good luck!Dale, W8ABZ \n </s>

<s>[INST] Embedded variables in RSView ME 5 Alarms I have a small application running in a Controllogix L61 processor that uses a PanelView+ 1250 for the HMI. Using embedded variables to read a string from the PLC for the alarm message, if points are in alarm when the terminal is shut down and restarted it displays ????? for the message, presumably because the alarms start before the data is read. Is there anyway to delay alarms starting until communication is good? This is a stand alone system with both the terminal and ENET card set for static IP, full duplex 100 mbs data. Any other suggestions? [/INST] Alarms are typically triggered by an event. When the event happens, then the alarm message is read, displayed, etc. You could trigger off the communication status to re-read the alarms. You will need to re-trigger the alarms that are existing to re-display them. In some applications, I've use a FSC instruction to compare for alarms and use a GSV instruction to look for the Panelview active on the network. If it is, then retrigger an event or reset the alarms. If something is still in alarm, then it generally will come back. I latch the alarms in the plc but just temporarily (using a retrigger bit) remove the alarm bit that the panelview is looking at. The latched alarm puts the alarm back into an active state and the panelview redisplays the message. Not the cleanest way of doing it but it works. You can't delay the launch of the alarming subsystem in ME (although you can in SE). So here are some thoughts:1. Are you using language switching? In some cases ??? are displayed if I have text in an undefined language.2. Can you duplicate the problem on a computer running ME Runtime? If so, take a look at your FactoryTalk log for clues \n </s>

<s>[INST] GSV Command in Control Logix. Can you use GSV in control logix to find the number of Ethernet IP connections in use. [/INST] Hmmm.... I'm not aware of a CIP message settings to retrieve these infos from Ethernet/IP modules...if it is needed just as a diagnostic info (I mean it has not to be used in the RS5000 program) then you may use the Web Diagnostic pages embedded in every Ethernet/IP module. See the User Manual chapter 9 for further infos.... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic The Port Capacity object should have some of the information you need, but I don't think the specifics of that object are externally published. What are you trying to accomplish ? If you just want to look at the connections, the easiest way is to use the Logix5000 Task Monitor tool. Continuing to monitor this object type could take a toll on your processor's capacity to do other stuff. \n </s>

<s>[INST] 2711cT6M Dear Sir,Can we connect 2711cT6M with OMRON PLC CPM1A ? Any suggestions. thanks rajesh [/INST] ragni, Following the list of available embedded drivers for Omron PLC. Omron FINS Ethernet Omron FINS Serial Omron Host Link Omron Process Suite You have to check which one is available on your CPU... for sure Host Link is available in that processor. Hope this helps. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Installing Drive Guard Option on Enhanced Power Flex 70 Drive We have many power flex 70 drives, some with devicenet, ethernet. Some have encoder feedback, some do not. Some have Drive Guard, some Don't. In an effort to keep from having 5 different drives on the shelf, we had researched and thought we could just stock a drive with the last 3 digits of its model number as DC0, which is a devicenet model, (D) enhanced (C) with no feedback (0). We received new equipment with one that is the same size, but it has the following as the last 3 of model number, EG0, which is Ethernet (E), Enhanced with Safe Off (G), and no feedback. We stock the 20-Comm-D and 20-Comm-E communication modules, so we can just change it out based on the comms we need. However, I have been wondering if we can just install the optional Safe Guard module into the Enchanced (C) model and it will work for the (G) application? Trying to keep from having to stock another drive. Thanks. [/INST] The DriveGuard Safe-Off option 20A-DG01 will work in every PF70 that has the Enhanced Control board (C). The (G) you have in your product code is just the indication that this module is already available in the drive as a Factory installed Option. The DriveGuard User Manual explains how to install this option in your drive. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Russian text in panelbuilder 1400e Hi, At first all a happy new year! I've to use some Russian text in a Panelbuilder 1400e program, how can I fix this?I've tried it with an Russian keyboard, but it gives only ????? When I type some text. I've also read a topic about Russian text in RSview32, but this won't help... Best regards Jack [/INST] Unfortunately, Cyrillic characters (Russian and others) are not supported on PB1400E.... :smileysad: [Reference Aid 48355] - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] View SE - Windows User Profile Cache Issue Just wondering if anyone has experienced this. With a distributed SE (4.0 or 5.0) system - our clients are running under Terminal Services. ProblemPeriodically our users experience wireframing on a screen. Another client running from the same server on the same screen works fine. After deeper investigation RSView reported a 'tag' on the screen had an error that was logged in the event log. Ironically the tag did not any longer exist on the screen, it had been changed recently and the Clogix address no longer existed so the error was accurate regarding the tag; but the error should never have been displayed as the tag was not on the screen. What We Tried Rebooting the server does NOT fix the problem. Deleting the Cache and .cac files and rebooting do not fix the problem. What fixes the problemDeleting the user's profile in Windows 2003 server on the View server. Just curious if anyone else is experiencing any issues like this. Regards, eds [/INST] Instead of deleting the profiles, try deleting the temporary internet files via Internet Explorer. Internet Explorer --> Tools --> Internet Options... Delete the Temporary Internet files, as well check the box that says Delete all off-line content. Depending on how big your cached folders are this may take several minutes. In a distributed system, the screens are cached as a temporary file. I suspect what may be happening when you delete the user's profile is that their temporary internet files are also deleted. So when you create a new user, there are no more temp files, so everything magically works again. \n </s>

<s>[INST] PC change I have a very old PC with RSLogix installed, and the OS has been totally destroyed, so I can’t access to the hardware. I’ve received a new one in order to replace the older one and I need to reinstall the software. I don’t know any information about the old host ID. How can I activate the RSLogix in the new PC? [/INST] Just contact TechSupport; giving them the Serial Number and the Product Key of your software, they will be able to help you to activate your software again. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] RsView32 Excel DDE not working Win xp sp3 We Just upgraded from a win2k box running rsview 6.2 to a win xp box running 7.2.Everything is working fine except an excel spreadsheet that is reading tags from rsviewvia DDE. I set the two DDE services in xp(sp3) to automatic startup. When I open the excel sheetand update the links a starting netdde related services mesage appears and no datais updated. This worked with no issues on the old win 2k box. Excel is from Office 2000. [/INST] al210, my first doubt on it is that version 7.20 isn't tested with XP sp3... Also, with XP operating system there are problems using DDE,due to installation of MS KB841533. See also: Aid 32961Aid 37488 (Dynamic Data Exchange (DDE) will not be properly supported in RSView32)Aid 49563 (DDE and NetDDE is not supported in RSView32 due to the Windows security changes from the MS hotfix KB841533)Aid 53997 - fuzzy logic Great.:smileysad: How else then can I read tags into excel? mmmhhh... one solution could be to use OPC instead... as suggested in above technotes... but I think it will complicate all the things..I've not found docs about its application with RSView32 (I know you may do it using RSLinxOPC, an example excel file with some VBA code in Aid 8171) :smileysad: A workaround could be to use RSLinx Classic instead, configuring a DDE topic in it and connecting it to the PLCs directly... if applicable... Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic So Rslinx don't have the problems that Rsview has with net dde in Windows XP? These are all PLC tags that I'm tring to read. Is there any way to test rslinx net dde to excel without any plc connected. I would like to test this in the office first to make sure it works. RSLinx Classic works fine... I use DDE and Excel very often with no problems...just I've Windows XP sp2...unfortunately at this moment RSLinx Classic (2.54) isn't supported in XP sp3...:smileysad: You may want to test it anyway, but you may get unpredictable problems...:smileysad: In Aid 56260 there is all you need to revert it to sp2, if it is applicable to you... And, about the last question, you may test RSLinx Classic DDE server (not available in Lite version)only with a true PLC or with an emulator (I don't know the software you're using, remember that at the moment only RSLogix5000 v17 is supported on sp3...emulate5000 don't ). Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] XP SP3 I'm not sure this is the correct forum for this post, but part of my question does have to do with activations. My IT department just notified us that the are rolling out XP Pro SP3. While the PC's that I am responsible for will not be automatically upgraded, I am sure that I will be asked to bring them up to SP3 unless I can show cause not to. Is there a document that shows which Rockwell programs & revision levels are certified to work in SP3? Do you have to move the keys back to the master disks before upgrading as with previous Service Pack upgrades? Is there anything that needs to be done for those products that have FT activations? Thanks in advance [/INST] * Each Software's Release Notes lists which Operating Systems were officially tested. http://rockwellautomation.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/rockwellautomation.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=52120 Also, more ontopic with the Activations.EVRSI works on FAT32 and NTFS formats, as long as your IT is not planning on doing any formatting and clean install migrations, and just pushing the SP3, it should have no effect FTA, is less dependent on file format, but the files are on the computer hard drive, so once again, as long as your IT is not planning on doing any formatting and clean install migrations, and just pushing the SP3 it should have no effect. A handfull of Rockwell products latest versions work with SP3 but older versions will not...and since it is not product wide support, they make you look it up individualy One of our specialists discovered the following problem with XP SP 3 a couple of months back: I just ran into a case where the new XP SP3 causes problems for the 1747-PIC driver. The customer was using RSLinx v 2.53.When you try to install/configure the PIC driver a Fatal Error Initializing the PIC Driver is displayed.Working with the customer we discovered the SERENUM.SYS has been updated.The SP2 version is 5.1.2600.2180 the new SP3 version is 5.1.2600.5512.To correct the problem we renamed the newer file to create a back-up and copied the SP2 version to the OS.Re-booted the PC and the PIC drive Initialized fine. Rockwell does not have any Knowledge base documents to support this yet. Knowing what I do of how corporations look at that kind of stuff ... Rockwell Automation will probably never support that fix. There's a good chance someone found it, but renaming back to a SP2 version of a file is a bit of a security no-no, so never created an answer on it. (All signs point to SP3 on that machine, but there is now a file with SP2 functionality ... could break something else without meaning to). JHutch Currently Rockwell products are not supported under XP SP3. It is being tested but not yet supported. http://rockwellautomation.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/rockwellautomation.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=54244 Rockwell link discussing removal of Service Pack 3 can any one help me to connect PIC/aic driver in xp sp3 a message appears withe a fatail error initializing pic driver can any body help me plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...befor iam installing sp3 i checked the knowlega and some one was asking if sp3 is compatable with rockwell softwere and rockwell answerd its only update to sp2 as they posted a link in microsoft web site said that ..so i installed it and the proplem was when i was choosing pic/aic driver to connect 2 panel view standard b5a5(dh485) this message appers...plz helpppppppp.. note :iam using sp3 and using rslinx2.52 ...how i solve this proplem??? Deleted duplicate posting - JHutch i did what mgvol has been said but the proplem is that every time i made a restart the proplem back again i have to disable the windows file protection im use xp3 with 1747-uic driver and rslink 2.53 and work fine remember the pic in the future is not abaible for use in the realese 2.54 is not supportsee you when u choose pic/aic driver from ur rslinx did't show u any error message, i faced a proplem a message appear (fatal error plz if u solved this proplem tell me how)..by the way which version of rslinx do u use with sp3 thanx alotwael I had issues with 1747-PIC / AIC + Driver it wouldn't start corectly under SP3. After I went back to SP2 problems went away. Just to *reinforce* other posts.... :smileyhappy: As of today, Windows XP SP3 is not supported by any Rockwell Software products. Aid 42682Aid 54244 Aid 40786 - fuzzy logic thanx to the forum, and Kudos to mgvol. i replaced all occurances (2) of the SP3 serenum.sys with that of the SP2. and all of a sudden, everything was right with the world ! :smileyhappy: p i did that alredy but after each restart it begains to back the old one again and didn't work again.. What were the 2 locations where you replaced the file serenum.sys? Some of the new Laptops and PC I have gotten from my IT guys have had SP3 installed on them. I only once ran into trouble and that was with some DDE stuff between RSView and Excel. What I have done is just requested that the next batch not be rolled up to SP3 but left at SP2 and their ok with that. Although now every time I have and issue I always question is it SP3 or something else. Long and short stay at SP2 and you will not be adding possible problems you will only keep the one you already have and that enough for me. \n </s>

<s>[INST] processor comm problems how do i connect to an slc 5/04 processor which calls for a kt-1 connection in the program? i can see the df-1-1 and df-1-2 drivers but have yet to be able to establish a kt-1 connection. i am using tje ab- uic serial to usb adapter [/INST] AB_KT-1 driver is usually used with either 1784-PKTX or 1784-PCMK cards...if you have one of these cards in your PC, then you may use it to go online. With your serial interface (UIC), you need the serial port of the controller to be configured as DH-485 protocol, and a serial cable 1747-CP3....otherwise you will not be able to use RSLogix500 to open your online project. Or you will need a *new* 1784-U2DHP interface to connect from USB port of your PC to the DH+ channel over 5/04. Then, in your RSLogix 500 project, you may force the communication to use the driver you want (instead of kt-1), selecting Comms --> System Comms, and after you have highlighted your connected processor, select Apply to Project, so that it will be the default comm path for it. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Powerflex 700 fault Hi, We have experienced a few Powerflex 700 drive - Fault 24 (Decel Inhibit) errors over the last week. The drive supplies 2 motors in parallel on a printing press reelstand. We initially changed the drive but the fault occurred again. Every time it has happened the press was running at speed but was NOT decellerating. As each motor had an encoder on it, I have now swapped to the alternate encoder in the hope that this cures the fault but after reading the handbook, I'm not sure it will. Any ideas on possible causes? I imagine the next step will be to start swapping the motors over to eliminate them. [/INST] Did you already take a look to the following thread ? http://forums.rockwellautomation.com/rockwell/board/message?board.id=Drives&message.id=530#M530 It threats the same argument and could give you some useful infos.... - fuzzy logic Thanks Fuzzy Logic, Yeah I had looked at this thread but need to check out a few parameters to see how we shape up compared to the fans. Our problem is occurring at steady speed and not when the drive is decellerating. Coast stopping is definitely not an option. Will post when more info is gained. I have run into this problem myself, what I found was that I was getting intermittent noise on one of my encoders, of course I had to use an oscilloscope to detect this, and it took a little while but I was able to set up a trend with my oscilloscope and found the problem. I hope that this helps, this can be a hard one to locate. Thanks MrJig170v, Since I swapped over encoders, the fault hasn't occurred !! From your comments, I'll now set up an oscilloscope on the suspected encoder and see if any noise is present. Will update when further info gathered. Thanks. Hi All, Further update. After nearly 3 weeks of faultless running, the problem occurred again last night. I had a quick look at the encoder cable run, and found that the section between the plug/socket arrangement we have, to the reelstand slip rings, is definitely not what I would call encoder type cable. It appears to be a standard 6 core screened cable. I believe encoders should be run in individually screened twisted pairs, which is what the majority of the run is done in. Also the distance from the plug/socket arrangement to the reelstand slip rings, is only about 2 feet. However, whoever wired up the panel, has managed to take the route all around the houses and probably increased the length to nearer 14 feet. (Sorry about the imperial measurements!!) and probably increased the chances of noise. Watch this space. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Rslinx OEM Can't set up a driver with PKTX card I am trying to set up a driver for a PKTX card in rslinx. When I set up the driver the channel and ID option in the setup shows nothing. Called tech support they say to put card in a different slot. I haven't tried this yet because the machine is running on the floor. Does anyone have any other suggestions? [/INST] Did you try (if applicable to your situation) to disable RSLinx Enterprise? Aid 50720 Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Haven't tried this but will. Thanks, Figured out the problem here! The computer that had the PKTX card in it was using a third party software called INGEAR. The ingear software was enabled and causing the problem. I shutdown the INGEAR software driver re-booted the computer and was able to set up the driver. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Ultra 3000 and MPL-A1530U-Ej42aa I have the drive motor combination of the subject. I dont see the motor in the Ultraware list of available motors. Will the Ultra identify the motor? Must I enter a new parameter file to the Ultra? How do I do it? [/INST] hiro, you need to update your Ultraware motor database... Here a link to technotes that helps... Aid 38188 Aid 39505 Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic I also have this question.Now I get answer and it works.Thanks \n </s>

<s>[INST] Dancer Control with Kinetix 6000 What would be the easiest way to control Dancer position in a web handling application using the Kinetix 6000. The Kinetix drive rotates an Unwind spindle. I have dancer position feedback to the Logix 5000 PLC. There is no feedforward signal ( Line Speed) so Pure PI control is what I am planning to use to correct the dancer position. Thank you [/INST] Would it be possible to put an encoder style dancer on there? You can use Dual Position Servo mode, then just set the position of the dancer that you want to maintain and the drive will automatically control the speed of the unwind to keep the dancer in the right position. If you can't do that you'll have to bring the analog in a PID instruction and use the output of the PID to control the speed of the kinetix drive. You could just operate the unit in Velocity Loop mode only. If it's a 0-10v pot style dancer you could also use an Ultra3000 and use the built in Analog Speed control input. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Database Synchronisation failed I have a problem with Database Synchronisation.The following error message is generated during project open: Database Synchronisation failed I delete the CACHE folder and the proyect load. But the problem appear again I want eliminate this error forever ThanksJuane [/INST] Take a look to Aid 39423.... there is a collection of technotes about that... Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Data update to output modules In Controllogic system, if digital output modules reside in the same chassis as the owner-controller, then controller's data will be sent from owner at the end of every program scan and the RPI. IOT will update the dedicated tag value to the output module immediately. Is there any other case that the controller's data will be sent to the output modules, e.g. at the end of each task scan? If there are many programs in each task for a project, then for the mentioned term every program scan, does it refer to whole program in a project or each program in each task? [/INST] Normally, the outputs are updated at the end of each Task; starting from version 12 you may select to not use this to reduce the task overhead ... Aid 43270 explains well this concept... Take a look also to the Task Programming Manual... Also, prior to Release 7.0 outputs were sent at the end of each program and could result in extended task execution time for a task that has several programs. Release 7.0 and after will have the outputs sent at the end of the task. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Aid 43270 described that, if there is only one task and this feature is enabled, outputs will not be updated. This feature should NOT be enabled if there is only 1 task. Also, if there are multiple tasks and this feature is enabled on ALL of them, remote outputs will never be updated. At least one task has to have this feature disabled to allow outputs to be updated… If it is true then what about RPI? cfhung, the behavior indicated in that technote is considered a defect by Rockwell... that means it should not happen, output should be updated when all tasks have been executed and the RPI should work normally as programmed...in the Aid is explained how information sent to I/O and adapters behave differently in some modules... Do you see the statement at the end of the technote ? Submitted for correction in ClearQuest Lgx00079048 This means the defect has been submitted in order to be solved in future releases... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Does the defect describe that the RPI will not work normally as programmed if the task automatic output processing was disabled? If not, then why remote outputs will never be updated if there are multiple tasks and this feature is enabled on ALL of them ? What version of RSLogix500 is that defect referring to? Just trying to go deeper in the argument... :smileysurprised: In the normal execution (I mean option NOT flagged) at the end of the task the Output buffer become updated with the new values for the ouputs; then, the next RPI will send these fresh data to the modules. Now, if you flag this option, it is expected that in any case you have to update the output buffer when all the tasks have been processed, so that the module will receive the fresh data the next RPI... Problem is that the output buffer seems to never become updated, so the RPI will work but old data are sent to the modules. Based on what I can see, the defect is not yet solved, so it is referred to the last version of the software also. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Better RSView32 Graphics Has anyone tried creating or obtaining some better graphics for use within RSView32? Of course we use all the library graphics and have the Symbol Factory applications, but we've had several customers lately who have asked for more lifelike graphics with depth, perception, shadows...all the 3D stuff. One of them gave us a web site to see for examples which is http://www.southernflowinc.com/hmi.htm. I've had some success with different bitmaps and visibility animations but they are cumbersome. I'd like to know how the graphics we're created in Symbol Factory that can be ungrouped inside RSView for animations. [/INST] Yes, I also wish there were some better graphics libraries. Other than the ones in the KB and various 3rd-party sources, there are none. However, keep in mind that the complicated graphic objects tend to take more computer resources to display and to not work well with any animations except for Visibility. Beyond what you already know, you could try doing a Google image search and see what comes up. But as I said,graphics consume resources, so keep it to a minimum. It would definitely be a trade off between fluff and performance. I guess it would come down to what the customer wants knowing all the information. Sometimes its the 'fluff' that counts. I've won more work in the past by making awesome screens and then showing them to other customers who tend to say yes I want it to look like that I've had similar experiences, especially now that things seem to be more competitive than they once where. Something's got to make us stand out a little from the crowd. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Power Up Handler In AB PLC and Starup OBs in Siemens PLC Compare Can any one please tell me what are the differences between AB PLC's power Up handler and Start up OBs of Siemens PLC. Thanks in Advance. SandeepW [/INST] I'm not an expert of Siemens PLCs :smileytongue: but I may explain how the Logix Powerup Handler works... The power up handler in a Logix controller has one of two purposes. It can prevent the processor from returning to RUN mode if power has been lost and restored in run mode (be aware It does NOT execute on a program to run switch).It can also be used to run ladder in the power up routine to take a specific power up action. The routine must also specifically clear the power up fault that is generated by have a power up routine ( if a fault is not desired). In fact, on power up, the following major fault will be generated if there is a power up routine defined and it does not clear the fault: Type 01,Code 01, Power-up Fault, Power lost and restored in RUN mode. If the fault is not desired, either remove the power up program or handle the fault in the power up program as described in the Logix5000 Controllers Major and Minor Faults Programming Manual ;the same manual in chapter 2 describes the Power-Up handler. Hope this helps, - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Inconsistant output I have a machine with a slc 5/03.It is using the 1746-OX8 relay output module. The problem is that the output doesn't always turn off when it is told to. I believe the problem lies in the code and not the card, but I don't want to buy a card for nothing. The manufacturer of the equipment is using a OSR to latch and unlatch the output. Is it possible that the scan time (avg. 1ms ) is too fast for the mechanical relay? The whole unlatch rung consists of only one n/o contact, the OSR and the unlatch coil. Any ideas would be appreciated, thanks [/INST] Max signal delay time for that module is 10ms... that means if you unlatch it, it can take up to 10 ms to really goes off...If during that time, you latch it again in the program, the relay may never open its contacts... As a test, you might create a clock to command that output on/off every, lets say, 500 ms and see if it works fine. Hope that helps... - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] panelview 1000 communications Hello, I am having a problem with our panelview 1000 (ethernet, v4.2) I have no problems getting the panelview to read tags from all our plc's except for one. They are all on the same network and can see them all in linx. The only difference is all the plc's are plc5 40e and the one I can not communicate with is a plc5 60b with an ethernet side card. I am using Panelbuilder v3.82. I checked the communications and made sure the ip address was correct, even deleted it and tryed it again. I also had to do some changes in a rsview project in the same room and have no problems seeing the tags. Any help appreciated. [/INST] Just another question to try to better help... do you get a comm error code on PV ? Which One? And also, have you the following ? The 1785-ENET must be series A revision D, or series B rev A, or later. This condiction should be in conjunction with the following series of the processor: series E rev D.1 series D rev E.1 series C rev N.1 Thanks....- fuzzy logic Thanks for responding, the ethernet card is Ser A firmware rev CProcessor is plc5/60 serB rev P.1 The only error on the Panelview is 634 read time out ip 192.123.57.140 which is the processor ip address Looks like I have to upgrade the firmware for the ethernet card,Any idea where I could get information on how and where I could get the upgrades.Thanks again. Iggy, your error is documented in Aid 32783 (firmware is too old) you have to upgrade both... Aid 14976 - PLC-5 firmware infoAid 44966 - 1785-ENET firmware info Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Thanks for all your help.We had a new card in stock and tried it out, its working:smileyhappy:We will get the other one upgraded.Thanks again for your fast responces. Ok Iggy, I'm happy that works.... just may you move the solution mark on my post please ? :smileywink: edit: In order to change the Solution mark position, you have first to Uncheck the previous marked post, using the option menu on the right side of that post (see screenshot)...then you may mark the post you want... Thanks for your feedback and cooperation ! :smileyhappy: - fuzzy logic ok I am feeling really dumb, but how do I move the solution mark \n </s>

<s>[INST] ControlLogix STRING data type and ASCII code above 128 Hi, everyone! I'm trying to use STRING data type to store units for different sensors. It works fine for L, kg, L/h, etc. as long as I use symbols from first 128 symbols of ASCII table.But for temperature I want to have degrees symbol whish is 167 in ASCII table. If I use MOV instruction to move 167 to tag.DATA[0] then I get mathematical overflow in CPU minor faults list. Can it be somegow fixed? Code looks like that: [/INST] Extended ASCII characters are not supported.... see table of ASCII Characters for Logix Controllers in Aid 41644 String Browser inside Controller or Program Tags will not allow you to enter ALT+ (character number) greater than 127 (the character doesn't appear) Trying to move a value greater than 127 inside a SINT DATA element of a string generates a Minor Fault. Using a COP instruction to move a value greater than 127 inside a SINT DATA element doesn't generate a Minor Fault, but you will see inside your String just the Hex equivalent of that value, not a graphical representation of that character number. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic ayto plThanks a lot, mate! Will tryto play with COP instruction AB, If you are using this data in RSView, then the KB note about the character set may not apply. See the RSView docs for how to display symbols. Each character ( .Data[n] ) is a SINT, which is a signed 8-bit (short) integer, not a USINT or unsigned 8-bit short integer. So the allowable value range for a MOV is -128 (bit pattern = 0x80) to +127 (bit pattern = 0x7F). So instead of MOVing 176 (decimal), MOV in a value of -80 (176 minus 256). The MOV won't throw a minor fault, and RSView may very well display what you intend. Depending on the font you pick for the display field, of course. Use the Character Map tool (Start Menu | Programs | Accessories | System Tools) to pick the font and available symbols. Just stay in the range of 0 to 255 (U+00FF in the tooltip), and if the value is 128 (U+0080) or greater, subtract 256 from it to find what value to put in your MOV. You can do some neat stuff with WebDings, WingDings, Symbol and other fonts typically installed with Windows. Another reason I always have a calculator that can do Hex. Good Luck!Dale, W8ABZ \n </s>

<s>[INST] RSLINX & EXCEL For data logging, we were using rsview32 and rslinx classic 2.52 etc. Data logging in excel was also thru rslinx classic. I read it somewhere that thru rsview me and rsclassic lite 2.53, we can do the data logging. Can we also transfer to excel ? thanks ragni [/INST] Answer ID 24166, Shows a step by step example. Even though this is done with a PLC5 and Data Highway I think you can work it out. Also see this thread. http://forums.rockwellautomation.com/rockwell/board/message?board.id=PLC_SLC&message.id=595#M596 Smoke's answer is a direct response to your question about logging to Excel. I've used a more indirect approach - log to an Access database and embed a query into Excel to retrieve the data I want. If you are interested in this approach, check out tech note 29789, which gives step-by-step instructions. I use this because logging to Excel from RSView32 or SE is a no-no - while it can be done, it is not optimal. There is a 65,535 record limit, so you cannot log more data than that directly to Excel; also, RSView32 and SE cannot delete data from Excel. If you are not using RSView32 or SE and are just using DDE links to RSLinx and copying the data to other rows in Excel, then Smoke's suggestion is the best way to go. Well, you are right.What I want to know is that previously if you have to do data logging into excel, you have to use RSLinx Classic/OEM but not RSLinx Classic lite which is available free of cost. So now the version 2.53 / 2.54 of RSLinxLite allows logging for RSView ME / Excel allows or not ? thanks ragni Hello, Rslinx Classic lite is designed to upload / download PLc, Drive, HMI .....No DDE / OPC is enabled on this version. If you need DDE / OPC, you have to use the OEM version minimum. Regards. RSLinx will work with SE or ME without an RSLinx activation, but not with Excel. You would need at least RSLinx Single Node for that. Does that answer your question? \n </s>

<s>[INST] compactflash with safety plc L62s Hi guys, Does anyone know if the compactflash function (auto firmware update) works with the safety plc L62S?I know the early V16 firmware versions did not allow this. How about the most resent, or V17? Cheers,C [/INST] Autoflash is not allowed with any of the L6xS controllers. I think it relates to the TUV certification. thanx for your answer. I also found this text in the manual 1756_um020_en.pdf:The GuardLogix controller does not support OS upgrades or user program storage and retrieval by using a CompactFlash card. However, in version 16 and later of RSLogix 5000 software, you can view the contents of a CompactFlash card, if one is installed in the primary controllerNot so clear that text, but it probably means that firmware upgrades are not possible....:smileysad: \n </s>

<s>[INST] Changing a Host ID from a hard disk to a network card Hello, I am wanting to change the host ID for my activations from the hard disk to a network card. If I re host an activation, can I simply type in the host ID from the network card? The re host utility will automatically place the hard disk ID in that field.Thanks in advance. [/INST] Please follow the instructions you may find inside technote 44620. Hope this helps.... - fuzzy logic Hi, thanks for your reply. I have had a look at the videos but I am still wondering at what point in the rehosting process you are able to change the host ID? The rehost utility generates a new code, is it at this point you are able to change the ID or do you change the ID when you are on-line to Rockwell?Thanks. Here from the last part of the indicated technote: On the Rehost Activations page of the Rockwell Software Activation website, enter the rehost code and Host ID, and enter your product's serial number. Click Rehost.The system confirms the rehost code, generates a new activation file, and resets your account in the customer database.Select Get Activations on the Rockwell Software Activation website.Follow the steps to download a new activation file that is tied to the new Host ID you want to use.Basically, using the rehost code, you're able to generate a new activation file, so that you can get the activation exactly as it was the first time... then, when you're connected to Rockwell Activation server, you may indicate the new Host ID. Hope this helps, - fuzzy logic Thanks for your help! You're welcome ! :smileyhappy: Thanks to you for the feedback. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Redundant ring on control NET Is it possible to form ring network with channel A of CNBR and another ring network (isolated from channel A, i.e. channel A and channel B donot mix)with Channel B of same CNBR with the same set of ACNR's?.I have reffered the existing knowledge base article on Ring repeaters. in this article it is shown that the channel A and Channel B eventually connect to same Primary ring.Where as my question is can Channel A of CNBR form primary Ring and Channel B of the same CNBR form Secondary Ring (Isolated from Primary ring) with the same set of ACNR's? [/INST] When using the 1786-RPFRL or RPFRXL fiber optic ring repeater modules in an actual closed loop ring installation, coax redundant media is absolutely not supported as part of the ControlNet cabling. Redundancy is achieved by using Fiber ring, another redundancy (coax redundancy) is not supported in that case. :smileysad: \n </s>

<s>[INST] RSView SE and button I am trying to make a button invisible to put behind a graphic on the screen, but the graphic isn't a rectangle/square. I set the background to transparent, but is there anyway to make the border disappear too? I have tried all 4 options for the button and the set the border width to 0, but the border is still there. Any ideas? Functionally, I just want it to be a goto screen button that will call a parameter file and a macro on startup. [/INST] I'm assuming you're talking about the border for the button and not the graphic. If you right-click on the button and go to animation, you can set the visibility of the button which works on the entire object, not just the background. You can also have the button to become visible based on an event. However, if the button isn't visible, I don't believe you can press it. What I've done in the past is make the button color (borders too) the same color as the graphic. The button isn't visible but it's still there to be able to be pressed. Yes, if a button is invisible it is disabled. I use this feature all the time to keep manual functions from being used in automatic mode. To accomplish what is desired like was pointed out is to make the button colors match the background. The button will still work if other objects are on top of it as long as those objects are not other controls, like other buttons. A long, long, long time ago you could overlay several buttons and when you touched the area they all would click. When things went to Windows and using the focus feature this went away. Only the top control will work. Invisible buttons are one of my pet peeves. I think they should be outlawed. How does an operator know where to click if there is no button? Even though it kills me to suggest this, you can accomplish invisible buttons as well by using a transparent shape with no border, then setting touch animation on it. When talking about RSView you need to be careful on how you use the term invisible vs. something like viewable. Visibility is an animation property the not only makes an object not viewable but disables an action like a button or data entry field. In your comment I think you meant not viewable. Actually a not viewable button can be useful in the right circumstance. I have put them in for security reasons to hide screens only accessible by the engineer and not the operator. Generally this was to get at a password prompt to make other buttons visible (viewable and enabled). In other instances I have used them for short cuts that I taught only to the operator and not to supervisors. This meant the operator knew something special and gave them pride of ownership. Do not laugh, with a couple of gems like this it is amazing how much better a machine will work. Why don't you just add touch animation on the graphic you want to use as a go to. Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but you can reshape a button. Select the button and then select the polyline item on the objects button menu (or Objects-->Drawing-->Polyline from the text menu). You can then add/remove points and reshape the button to any shape you like. \n </s>

<s>[INST] pid i am using rslogix 5000 ver 16.03. I want to contorl the control valve which controls the flow of water. can you please give me some idea about the problem in overshooting and undershooting of control value. here i am using auto and manual button for pid also. can you give me with example of pid with its control using auto /manaul. here i am facing one problem that once the pid in auto and then i click on manaul then in setpoint option the pv value comes over there. so for what action to be taken ......and why this thing happendd?? rahul [/INST] hi ...any solution and any examples .....to solve the overshoot and under shoot what action to be take..... Bless,Not totally sure of what you're asking but the PID instruction (or PIDE in function block) is basically a simple loop controller. Typically the PV value when going from AUTO to MANUAL is usually for a bumpless transfer so that your loop doesn't have a massive change. These inputs are toggle inputs in that all you need to do is pulse them to AUTO or MAN. Using the PIDE function block, you can create an AutoTune tag that that will allow you to put the controller in manual, selecte autotune, and then let it fill in the proportional, integral, and derivative values. This can get you close and once you put it back into auto, you can tweak it as necessary. In the knowledgebase, do a search for PIDE as there are several docs that show how it works....which most of it also relates to the standard PID instruction. First the part about the SP jumping to the PV value. (I think that is what you are describing...) I believe the PID and PIDE both have an option (selectable ON or OFF) for PV Tracking. When PV tracking is enabled:* When the loop is in Manual, the PV is copied to the SP* When the loop is in Auto, the SP freezes and then can be entered if you need to change it. When PV tracking is disabled:* The SP is left wherever you set it, both in auto and in manual. (In Cascade, the SP comes from the cascade setpoint input -- definition of cascade mode.) Look in the Instruction Set help or documentation for the PID or PIDE (whichever you are using) to see what parameter turns PV tracking on and off. PV tracking was popular in the old single-loop pneumatic controller days. The operator would manually adjust to CV to get the process running right, then switch to auto to keep it there (at that SP, which was the PV when it was running right). Get it? As for the overshoot, there are textbooks and research papers dedicated to this. ISA (www.isa.org) has a number of books on the topic, from pocket-sized guides to full textbooks, and letter-size books with more practical and less academic content which might be most helpful to you. A number of software tools are also available, from Rockwell Automation and from its 3rd-party partners (e.g., ControlSoft). Plus there are site services available to assist you. Have your sales dude/dudette put you in touch with a process Technical Consultant if need be.... As for a simple method: * Set the proportional gain low (say, 0.1 or 0.01), so the loop is not oscillating.* Set the integral gain to nearly, but not, zero (say, 0.001) (or set the integral TIME very high).* Bump the SP, watch the PV response.* Double the proportional gain, bump again, repeat until the response starts to become oscillatory.* Increase the proportional gain slowly, bumping the SP each time, until the response oscillates almost steadily without increasing.* Measure the time between rising peaks of the PV (cycle time).* Cut the proportional gain in half.(Here's where I forget how to calculate the integral gain based on the cycle time. D'ohh! I think you take the cycle time in seconds, invert it and use that for the integral gain...)* Anyway, start increasing the integral gain to get the response you want. If it's too high, the PV will overshoot and oscillate. If it's too low, the PV will creep too slowly to setpoint. You want to get there about as fast as the process will allow without overshoot. For the moment, don't set derivative gain to anything but 0.0. Do some reading on derivative -- you want to use it on large capacity processes like temperature -- almost never for fast stuff like liquid flow where proprotional-only would almost suffice. Good luck, happy tuning! \n </s>

<s>[INST] Panelview Plus communicating with Modbus/Modbus plus I am wanting to change out some of our HMI's to Panelview Plus's, I am trying to figure out if I can communicate with our processors, they are Modicon, Quantum's and the older 984's. We are currently using Modbus serial, and Modbus plusserial. Any help would be appreciated. [/INST] Panelview Plus can be configured as Modbus Master or Slave through the Kepserver Drivers. Take a look to the following MANUAL. there should be all what you need to know....:smileytongue: Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Hello, You can also use Modbus Plus but you have to add a communication card ( ref : PVIEW 50-MBP ). Regards. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Power Flex 700 scr pre charge board We have a AB Power Flex drive, P/N 20B D 096 A3 ANNANCO, that we lost the precharge board, P/N SK G9-PRE1-V480 (long story) and I am told by my local dist and Rockwell that it is a 10-15 day lead time. My question is do the other 700's have the same precharge board or are they specific to drive size? Thanks in advanceDave [/INST] Yes, the 400 / 480 Vac versions of all the PF700 have the same Precharge board (starting from frame 5), as you may see in the Spare Parts listing.... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Network Printing from PV+ I've been able to successfully print from a PV+ to a network printer on a network with a Windows Domain Controller. According to KB 34133 you must have a DNS on the network for this to work. Most small industrial Ethernet networks are isolated from the corporate network and as a result don't have a Windows Server box for a DC or DNS. Just curious if anyone has been successful in printing to a network printer from a PV+ in an environment w/o a Windows Server box?Regards,Charlie Vincent [/INST] nan \n </s>

<s>[INST] Object Visibility using Parameters Trying to use a parameter to determine an object's visibility in FTSE. Anyone have any suggestions? [/INST] Ace Tech, you may use a parameter in Visibility Animation...:smileytongue: It works as other Object Parameter... take a look to the following screenshot... Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic Do you mean how to determine if an object is visible or how to use a parameter to make it visible/invisible? If is the second; Fussy has the answer. If the first; objects on a display are exposed via VBA, most (not all) object have a Visible property. This is a read/write value so can be used to determine if the object is viable or not. This is one of the many attempts I have tried. Unfortunately, FTV deciphers the parameter as a tag, and outputs the error Failed to Resolve item's ID '0' because it does not exist on any server. I have even tried using double quotes. I have been at this long enough I think and will have to create two tags (memory_always_on, and memory_always_off) with a 1 and 0 value respectively and reference this in my animation:Memory_always_#1In my parameter I would have “on” or “off”.This works perfectly, but I was hoping I would not have to create a new tag. Thanks for your help. If anyone comes up with the correct syntax without using only parameter files and no memory tags, let me know. Thanks. \n </s>

<s>[INST] VBA error handling in the studio, confirmation of application.name Hallo Can someone confirm that the application.name in the errorhandler when running VBA in a display from within the studio has changed fromGraphics as stated in the documentation If Application.Name = Graphics Then ' Running in FactoryTalk View Studio To FactoryTalk View Studio as you can see in the VBA watch Thank youMarnix [/INST] Hello Marnixvust, When I run the following code snippet from test run mode in FT Studio: Sub Test() MsgBox Application.Name End Sub the popup displays FactoryTalk View Studio. That's pretty conclusive - help file is out of date. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Activation Names Explained Is there a list, grid, etc. that explains what each activation ties to? For example, when I go into the Activation Tool and visit the Current Activations tab, I'm presented with an Excel-like listing with the following entries ... AC.DDROKAC.SERVERAC.TLK1000Arena12.bltArenaBas.tpoetc. ... I'd like to understand what each of these items relate to. [/INST] Take a look to Aid 48155 ... there are some .pdf attachments with 2009 Toolkit Contents, showing the Product Key code and the corresponding software. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Thank you. Rockwell Automation Toolkit Contents - 2009.pdf was what I was referring to. \n </s>

<s>[INST] missing features PV+ ME Hi, Am I missing something or there no command buttons where we can set multiple commands or functions on a button. For example: Press a button call the login function and then display a graphicPress a button set a tag and close the window There are other features that I which where there like touch animations. We are actually missing the true macro functions that are available on the other RSI HMI applications Thanks [/INST] Unfortunately RSView32 / ViewSE commands are not available in ViewME/PVP... :smileysad: Also a generic Button object where you may set multiple commands is not a feature of ME. Only you may use what is embedded inside other Objects, for example a Close Display button has the possibility to set also a value to a Tag on close.... :smileysurprised: Touch Animation is not available in ViewME, too... :smileysad: See Aid 36745 for Best Practices on various ViewME features.... - fuzzy logic Thanks Fuzzy, I was been ironic I knew options where not there but I forgot since I haven't used the RSI products in a while I am just surprise that they have the same limitations since 3 years ago. I am also finding the Update of the screens slow I have the PV+ 15 with 128MB of memory. I am using some bitmaps and I did some test removing them from the app but I don't see a difference it is still slow. Thanksjdelgado Ok... :smileyhappy: About the Update of the screen... are you using Ethernet/IP or something else ?Do you have many tags on the display ? Do all the displays have the same issue ?What about the Tag Update Rate you've selected ? Apologize to ask too many things... :smileytongue: Also, some indications about this in Aid 36811... - fuzzy logic Good Morning Fuzzy, Yes I am using Ethernet/IP ( CompactLogix), I need to export to check the tag count of the screen but I will say 50 - 80 tags. Yes all display have the same issue. I change the update rate to half a sec and it updates like in 1 to 2 sec if I leave it to 1 sec it takes like 3 - 4 secs to update the screen. Like I mention if I remove the bitmaps from the screen I don't see a different which in one way I am glad. But 1 sec update is fine with me I am suprise that setting the graphic to 1 sec took 3 - 4 secs and setting it to half a sec takes 1 - 2 to update. I attached the main screen work in progress....which is the busy screen the rest of the screens are not busy just simple popups and few screens for maint to see the inputs and output status Nothing to apologize, thanks for taking the time to discuss this with me. Hi, at first a suggestion for attached image…it is difficult to manage this big image on some screen resolution (like mine ! :smileysurprised: ), so I suggest to edit your previous post, remove the image, resize it to about 500 pixels width and re-attach it. Attached an example , not so clear as yours, but enough to understand… THANKS. :smileywink: Then, about the issue… Use Direct Tags instead of HMI tags to get fastest response (unless already done) – Aid 36270Use On Top display (I guess you’ve already done this)You have to consider the Update rate of the tag PLUS the screen update time…this is the why you have update rate set to half second and really you see updated tags every 1.5 second… - fuzzy logic Thanks good tech note about the HMI Tags vs Direct Tags. I am using HMI Tags because of the Folder Structure I have multiple machines so it easy to organized that way. The reason we recommend direct reference tags whenever possible is because HMI tags add a lot of extra overhead. Basically, an HMI tag goes this route *every* update: 1 - Object asks HMI tag for a value. 2 - HMI tag looks at tag address and asks processor for the value.3 - Processor responds with value.4 - HMI tag multiples the value by the scale.5 - HMI tag adds the offset value.6 - HMI tag hands the value back to the object. In contract, the direct reference goes *this* route: 1 - Object asks processor directly for the value. 2 - Processor responds with the value back to the object. Now imagine doing that for many tags multiple times a second ... It's easy to see why direct reference tags can give a nice performance boost. (NOTE: They also use less memory in the PV+, too, which can be a performance boost, too.) JHutch \n </s>

<s>[INST] Inview P22R I have been using a standard Inview P22R configuration for about two years now. I have loaded it into a number of units (using version 2.4 software). One of my associates is in the field trying to download this same configuration into a new unit (using version 2.6 software). The configuration appears to download, but the only thing that appears on the display is RJ11 Test. What's wrong? Why will it not function properly? [/INST] Are you downloading messages thru comm module ? Take a look to the following technote; also check Dip setting for serial address (check to not set diagnostic mode) Aid 26474 If it is not valid, maybe the Inview has an hardware fault (RJ11 test indication could be related to a problem in its hardware) - fuzzy logic I am downloading via serial port. What is check to not set diagnostic mode? Also, this problem is occurring on two different diplays. When the problem first happened, I figured the display was bad, but it's also happening on the replacement display. I was talking about dip switches setting... take a look to the following screenshot. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] How many PC box's does it take to run FT view SE? Every where I look they recommend four PC's. Plus the clients. Why so many? 1- Hmi Server with FT view SE Server [/INST] Hi numbers, Technically you could put all the components on the same computer. SE Standalone is inherently a one computer solution. Regarding the recommendations for running various components on multiple computers, some of this depends on loading. If you have 10K tags and are using RSLinx Classic (or 20K tags and running RSLinx Enterprise), that's quite a load and it might be a good idea to run components on different computers. Running the FactoryTalk directory on a separate computer is mostly a matter of convenience - it allows you to reboot the FactoryTalk directory if you suspect a problem that requires a reboot. Multiple (non-redundant) HMI servers on one computer could be a problem depending on the overall load, though the Rockwell sample project shows 5 on one computer. And of course redundant HMI servers would require multiple computers. I've had projects that exceed these limits and Rockwell urges these to be blessed by the powers-that-be. I know there is a checklist of recommended limits - you might want to talk to Tech Support about that. One thing to remember is that the term server does not necessarily mean a hardware device. A server is typically a service that runs on a pc or actual server. The FactoryTalk server is basically a service that runs and can typically run anywhere. Running it on a domain controller isn't recommended though. If you use FTView SE Standalone then you will be limited in clients due to Microsoft Windows and not FTView. There are several ways to split up your system. You can use two standalone systems which will have to be configured separately or an enterprise (FTView SE) configuration. MY preference is use two identical server machines with Marathon Technologies virtual server for redundancy, FTView SE with unlimited display, and your two clients. The FT directory can be loaded on the servers with the HMI server if you want. The tags are based in the PLC and not necessarily HMI tags. We have several installations where the PLC tag count is over 15K without any problems. Take a look at answer ID 32549 for FT design considerations in a distributed system. This is the first place to look for planning a system. I would look a the answer this way. The minimum of boxes needed for FT SE Server system is 3.DNS ServerFT Server with FT Directory, SE Server, RS Linx, FT Studio, and FT ClientFT ClientNote that if you use Standalone you only need one box. When you jump to more than one client you need a DNS server somewhere in the system and it takes 3 boxes. The other answers did not mention the need for a DNS server. You could use the plants DNS server but I have found it is much, much better to have my own and be able to set it up as I need it. The DNS server is a really big part of the systems security. Also, it is surprising the CPU usage numbers on the system even for a small network. I also keep backups and all the install CD/DVDs on this computer since the hard drive is mostly empty. Next depending on loading and redundancy you can break up the FT Server. Considering the number of screens and tags you may or may not want to split the Client on the FT Server to a different computer. That is hard to estimate. I would probably try it first in the same box and see how it behaves. I would also purchase a spare at the same time I get the other PC's and have it ready incase. If you use the spare you can get another one later but you do not want the interruption if you find you need it while setting things up. Regarding the computers I would get them with RAID 1 drives. I would also have the drives installed in front removable cases. This will not cost that much more and give you an immense amount of freedom. I also get a few extra drives mounted in the shuttles. There is no better back up you can get than a bootable hard drive that is ready to plug in and run. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Dynamically change the module object name in an SSV or GSV instruction? I have two CompactLogix conrollers that I want to use in a fault tolerant arrangement. Each controller is connected to the same EtherNet/IP network at different IP addresses along with a substantial number of ddrives and other I/O modules. I am able to inhibit or enable the connection to various modules via ladder logic. However with a large number of modules this takes a lot of programming. Is there a way to dynamically change the the object name? I want to use an array of module names and sequence through the names using only one SSV instruction. Anyone got any ideas? I have tried everytihing that I can think of without any success. [/INST] Hi Drizzt, I think you are wanting to index through the Instance Name field, not Object (Class) Name. Either way, however, this cannot be done. I have not found any documentation relating to the structure or array containing the name object or instance name when using the CIP Generic message type. However, there are examples of using the GSV and SSV blocks to retrieve and set MESSAGE instructions or change the destination when doing a CIP Data Table Read/Write. Why is the same or similar method not available for CIP Generic message types? Drizzt, I hope to have correctly understood your request... Do you want to change the Class Instance Attribute of your CIP Generic Message, so that you will use only one MSG instruction and dinamically set these parameters ? If this is the question, take a look to this post of mine: http://forums.rockwellautomation.com/rockwell/board/message?board.id=Logix&message.id=535#M535 edit: renewed link Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic I am afraid that I was not clear previously. We have two controllers to provide redundancy on a molten glass line and we are switching controllers (masters) on an EtherNet/IP network on the fly. There are times when the switch causes a network fault on some of the networked devices. This requires a device fault reset sent explicitly through Class 0x29, Instance 1 and Attribute 0x0C. Due to the large number of devices that need to be reset and the resets coordinated with other controller program modules sending explicit messages, the programming involved (queue management and coordination of program modules) is difficult and very time consuming. I am trying to limit the amount of programming involved by using one MESSAGE instruction and changing the parameters of the message as needed through an array of structures that mimic the contents of the message. I can get this to work if the message type is either a CIP Data Table Read or Write to other controllers on the network. However, I cannot seem to get it to work if the message type is CIP Generic. I think that I am close but was hoping that someone else has solved this problem. This is taking a large amount of time and head banging in frustration. Thanks to all who have replied or will reply. I hope you have already heard this, but it's important so I am going to post it here. No current Rockwell Automation platform supports redundancy, hot-backup, or controller fault tolerance with an EtherNet/IP network for I/O. Your system is using a non-redundant controller platform (CompactLogix) and a non-redundant network protocol (EtherNet/IP) to attempt to build a fault tolerant system. While I like a good challenge, it would be negligent of me to attempt to help you do this. The only system architecture that I would consider for a glass plant application is ControlLogix Redundancy with ControlNet for I/O connections. While CompactLogix does have a Warm Standby feature with the 1769-SDN and DeviceNet, this is not a true redundancy system and I would not recommend it for any system for which the shutdown consequences are economically substantial. Ken,Thank you, but I am aware of the situation concerning A-B and fault tolerance. That it is only supported on some ControlLogix platforms utilizing ControlNet and the SRM module (not sure of the acronym). And personally I would not try this. However, this was to be an in-house project and my client had already purchased all of the A-B equipment and associated devices almost a year ago when the project was planned from his local A-B distributor. Only to be told later that it was not possible for him to use the equipment in this way. He was told that there was no way to provide the limited fault tolerance that he wanted and he asked me for help. Just to be clear, I am not placing blame on anyone. I have frequently run into this; where either the customer did not know how the system was going to work and/or could not convey their thoughts correctly when purchasing the equipment. The system is currently working (it is in pre-startup) the way that it is suppose to work. But I don't like it! It is a maintenance nightmare. And because of having to manage the transfer queue and the several systems involved, it is very difficult to understand. I am trying to clean it up and make it easier to understand by not having to hard code every device that gets an explicit message. Just not ready to give up yet. Drizzt, I'm agree with Ken, and I've seen you're aware of what Ken has written... :smileyindifferent: After that, I can't understand well where is your problem with CIP generic message... also for this message you can change dinamically the Class, Instance, Attribute and also the path using a String data... (also there is n useful example of dinamically change path in Aid 50496 )So, where do you find troubles ? I apologize I didn't understand... :smileytongue: fuzzy logic I kind of got off track from the first message in this thread. The original question was about dynamically changing the InstanceName in an SSV ot GSV instruction. The message issue had been fixed by changing the array offset and length of the path string. I appreciate (and agree) that this is not the way to setup a redundant system and realize that A-B does not support the way we are using their equipment. But I also do not know of any way out of the situation. Thanks again to all who have replied. \n </s>

<s>[INST] gv 3000 fault code F 3 not F03 any ideas I have a GV3000 where it starts up with F 3, F in the first 7 seg and 3 in the last flashing with every led at the same time.Tech support suggested the 15v rail for encoder... yes that is for a F03 fault. My 15v rail is ok along with all the other rails. No button presses / combination will do anything.A top panel from another larger drive will give me access but starts with the mismatch code for controller / power stage but would allow me to start the matching process but as this belongs to a different drive I cannot spare it.I suspect the memory is corrupted but unable to clear it.Any Ideas?Thanks in anticipationTim Smith [/INST] Did you already try what is suggested in the User Manual ? Attached is a screenshot of the indications.... Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] panelview component file transfer When I do a file transfer I cannot browse to the files on my computer to transfer them to the component panelview. I select file transfer, new transfer,my computer then select the elipsis next to the box and cannot go anywhere from there. I have two others I know that have the same problem. Anybody had this before? [/INST] Just a question... which is the browser are you using ? which version ? Anyway, try to check Aid 54060 if applicable to your issue... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic I haven't changed screen resolutions but this worked. Thanks!!!! I had a few hours invested in this. \n </s>

<s>[INST] PLC 5/13 to Contorllogix Platform Dear All, Allen Bradley PLC 5/13 CPU is installed with Input Output Module. As PLC 5/13 is very old and now we want to upgrade the systems. As we decided to go in Control Logix Platform. ( 300 I/O's). Please confirm that Logix of PLC 5/13 will work with Control logix Platform or we have to make a New Logic for Control Logix Platform. Please guide the same. [/INST] Application program should be converted to be used in a ControlLogix; you may use the Translation Tool that is inside RSLogix5000; this will reduce the work you need to convert your application, leaving anyway some things to do later to complete this conversion. In the following technote you may find an useful explanation of this tool. Aid 21962 See also the Reference Manual Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic I have done a dozen plus conversions. The conversion program works well but leaves a lot of junk in the ControlLogix program. The most difficult part is converting the analog IO modules. You loose all the block transfers, move the scaling to the modules, and the numbers for the scaling are different. Also, the old memory mapping that comes threw as alias can cause a lot of confusion. Sometimes I do not let the program make addresses automatically but fix things as I go. Either way spending the time getting rid of the old aliases and learning the program better will pay of greatly in the debugging process. I have come to the conclusion that you are better to run the conversion program but use the conversion only to copy things from. I start with a blank program and put the ControlLogix IO in first. I then copy and paste sections of code that need to be used over. I find most old PLC5 programs were done as a single massive routine even though the controller allowed you to break things up. In the copy process I try and make a lost of smaller more manageable routines. Fuzzy notes a references manual. You really need to get this, print it out, and spend some time studying it before you begin. Some parts in Chapter 1 are dated and do not let them confuse you. The rest of the book is very, very useful. \n </s>

<s>[INST] ControlView 4.0 Reports Hello all I'm currently working on a project which requires me to convert an an old SCADA application designed using ControlView 4.0 to RSView32 so far there have been no problems. However, there are a number of reports designed with an add on module to ControlView. In my project folder I have the report templates but no way of viewing them so I can convert them. These files have a .RPT extension. Does anyone know I way I can view these report templates? [/INST] As these reports were created with an option module (ControlView Reporting module - 6190-REP) my guess is that it is not possible to automatically convert it.... :smileysad: I think you have to open it with the ControlView option to see how it is configured, then you may try to recreate something similar using the RSView32 Reporting utility, available with some instructions in the technote 9239 (TechConnect Authorization required to access). Attached the Manual for the ControlView Report option.... - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Trying to re-start a recent buyed CNC with an allan-bradley programmable controller Hi,We juste bought 4 Willemin-Macodel CNC witch has Num750 PLC and Allan-Bradley controllers. When first put on, we got some kind of problem regarding memory access... Since we bought used cnc, I am wonderring if there should be missing some memory chip somewhere (probably previous owner removed them to keep their files safe??) On the Allan bradley controller, the CPU FAULT led was on... The controller is a SLC 500 with an ethernet port, when I open a panel on the left, just next to a fuse, there is an empty socket... (I have a picture of it...) Thanks! [/INST] Just about the socket.... is it the one indicated in red in my screenshot below ? If it is, you have to make a jumper in the position related to your line power voltage... see also screenshot... - fuzzy logic Here's a picture! Ah, ok...this is an old Fixed SLC controller... I suggest to download the User Manual and check the exact status of the controller leds, following the troubleshooting chapter 8... so that you may have a more clear diagnosis... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Great! Looks like it's effectively a memory module is missing (p.59 of the user manual) Have you any suggestion regarding the module I should get? 1747-M1 or -M2 or M3 ??? Thanks! charlo, that memory module is used for backup, and is optional... (pages 22 - 30) What I can suspect is that the controller has lost the program that was in RAM (due to the fact there wasn't a memory backup module), so now it is in fault as it has not a program inside...mounting a Module will not solve this situation ! :smileysad: Please check the led status of your PLC, to better understand the situation...After that I think you'll need to get the application program to load in it, and also you need the software (RSLogix 500) and an interface to connect to it (1747-UIC) :smileysurprised: Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Hi, I think you're right, machines have been sitting for 3-4 years... I guess I should get a battery also... So I should get this kind of connector and RSLogix 500. We've got some floppy with the machines so I guess the program should be on it... Is an ethernet cable will fit or there is a special cable between the 1747-UIC and the DH485?? Is RSLogix available there?? Thanks, Yeah.... cable is indicated in the document you've linked, 1747-C13...anyway, a normal Ethernet patch cable will work with it....You may download the software from here , if you have a valid Tech Connect contract... or you have to order it to your Rockwell Software representative (9324-RL0300ENE). Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Charlo, Just wanted you to understand that there is no ethernet port on this controller. The port you are referring to is a DH-485 port. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Why didn't delete the histroy data record with SQL Server 2000 in RSViewSE 4.0.? I create a data log module, use ODBC storage format. I need only 5 days histroy data in SQL Server2000 database. So I set the data log to save the 5 days' history data only. but now ,i find that the RSViewSE can't delete the histroy data after one month.Is there who can tell the how to do? [/INST] Here from the User Guide, chapter 21 : If a data log model uses the ODBC database format, you can purge old records from the database using standard relational database tools or SQL queries. You can also set up FactoryTalk View to delete (purge) records in the ODBC database after a specified time.For details about options in the File Management tab, click Help. Aid 53013 contains some instruction to keep your SQL 2000 cleaned up... Aid 39675 contains a VBA script to run from SE to purge the database records...be aware a Tech Connect Authorization is needed to access the technotes. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] RS485 DSI Protocol 40P to Micro1400 Does anyone have any examples or literature on how to do this? First time user of 40P's and of this communication. Have 3 drives. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks [/INST] Try to start from Aid 33774, it is realized for MX1100 and PF4/40, but applies the same for your components... See also User Manual - App.C Hope this helps, - fuzzy logic Check with your local RA distributor or sales office for literature from the Connected Components campaign. There were pre-built logic and wiring examples for the MicroLogix 1400 and 1100 connected to PowerFlex 4-series drivers as part of that commercial program. I use Appendix C of the User Manual as my reference whenever I'm doing Modbus RTU communications with a PowerFlex 4-series. I still prefer to hardwire the Start and Stop commands to the controller and run my speed reference and data collection over the network to make troubleshooting simpler in the field. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Parameter Files and FactoryTalkView SE Just wondering if anyone has done indirect tag addressing inside a parameter file. I have a global object that is on a popup that is using parameter file when the popup is called. The display button right now looks like thisAbort Pop Up GasDetectors; Display Pop Up GasDetectors /PCG1 Inside parameter file CG1 - I would like to use a string HMI tag that is set when a certain button is pushed on the HMI to load the [/INST] The issue here is that you can only do one level of indirection. The parameter parsing algorithm removes the #1 and replaces it with what you specified in the parameter file - it does not then evaluate the parameter file to see if you want to specify the value of the tag instead of the name of the tag. Maybe you can do your indirection on the front end of the equation - call up a different parameter file based on the value of a string tag. See tech note 41991 for an example. Using your example, you would execute the following commands:Abort Pop Up GasDetectors;Display Pop Up GasDetectors /P$SomeStringTag$ If the value of SomeStringTag is set to CG1, you would pass parameter file CG1 with its hard-coded tag reference for #1. Next time, you might set the value of SomeStringTag to CG2 with a different tag reference. I think that will do the trick. Thanks for the response - I don't think it is possible the way I want to do it - I was looking to see If I use quotes or $ signs inside the parameter file to look at the value of the tag instead of looking at it literally. I have already used your suggestion to open up another popup inside my first popup and still use the same parameter file, but not to change the actual tag to the plc being indirect inside the parameter file. Thanks for the help - \n </s>

<s>[INST] Lnking other products to RSview32 Hello Can you pease let me know if other systems/devices can link to RSview32 and display sensor data. We have a mixture of an old RSview system and a new Siemens system and to be honest the Siemens is not performing as we want. We therefore are looking at upgrading our RSview32 system and seeing if we can incorporate the other Siemens projects into a single display and web function, as well as having 1 database to report on. We work in the hydro power generating industry and are looking at a lot of these systems so any help would be very useful Thanks Tonyb [/INST] You may buy KEPServer Enterprise from Rockwell Automation. KEPServer Enterprise provides serial and Ethernet OPC servers that allow communication between many third-party industrial devices and RSView32, FactoryTalk View Site Edition, and FactoryTalk View Machine Edition. All drivers are supported by Rockwell Software. Ordering cat. number is 9301-OPCSRVENE. Supported drivers for Siemens as following: Siemens S5 Siemens S5 (3964R) Siemens S7 MPI Siemens S7-200 Siemens TCP/IP Ethernet Simatic 505 Simatic 505 Ethernet Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Removable Hard Drives I have several identical computers with removable hard drives. I did all my activations as mobile to dongles. When I move a hard drive from one computer to a second and move the dongles with it none of the concurrent activations show up. They work fine on the first computer, none show that they have been checked out. Before I start to run anything all show available and none have been borrowed. The concurrent ones show the name of the computer but that name moves with the hard drive. Is the server still tied to the Ethernet port? I do not want to tie the server to the drive. The computers have RAID 1 and will be cloned. I want tuly mobile activations that are tied only to the dongle. [/INST] Michael, I've seen many times a similar behavior using the dongle to host Concurrent activations... that is the needs to stop and restart the FactoryTalk Activation Server to let it associate the licenses to the dongle. Also I've seen that when the Dongle is connected when the PC is booted up, all will be ok. Aid 50096 may give some help to correct this issue. Seems it is not recommended to host concurrent activations to a dongle.... :smileysad: - fuzzy logic Sort of works, sort of des not work. Putting it in the batch file in startup does not work every time. I put the time delay out to 15 seconds. Running LMReRead manually after everything is up always works even if I do it in less than 2 seconds. It looks like I need to make opening the client into a batch file with LMReRead occurring first. Also, now the operator will have to start the client and not have it come up immediately after logging on. This fix will not work well eventually. I need FTServer to open when the computer boots and not wait until someone logs on and opens a client. The data logging needs to start when the machine reboots. Usually it may be hours before an operator needs to log in and open the client. I will have to make it part of operating procedure that if the system powers back up then the operator must log in immediately as part standard operating procedures. This will go over big. I do not need redundancy but if I did I would be totally out of luck. This is my first experience using the new FT activation system. I have been doing PLCs for almost 30 years and was very comfortable with the old system. Now being forced to change I like the new system but it is buggy. It is not really ready for prime time and must be costing AB a fortune to support. By the fact that it takes its own forum is proof of this point. Your original post was about activation issues. now however you are branching into FT Project launch and Datalogging. You may want to close this thread and start another in the FT section to try to address your project concerns. Batch Script for concurrent activation'sUse the net commands See: net stop FactoryTalk Activation Servicenet start FactoryTalk Activation Service then add the path to the project file you want to start up example C:\Program Files\Rockwell Software\RSView\projectIwanttorun.mer The issue is the timing between Activation startup and launching FT Project with data logging. It also applies to RSLogix when starting too fast also. I suspect these delays effect many products. Those that know will read it in this section as well as others. This forum is also open to all and does not take a TechConnect contract. The issues of activation effect all so I put it here. \n </s>

<s>[INST] AB Part certification we know there is one link can get AB part certificate: http://www.rockwellautomation.com/products/certification/I wounder why not Rockwell put all components part certificate together, it is really waste a lots of time to search UL, ATEX,ABS, BV etc website to get the product certificate. also, there is no CE-IEC certificate for most or AB PLC, Control components, how Australia, NewZeland company to do the control panel certificate for class 1 zone 2 application?appreciate somebody have good idea about this [/INST] hi...there is the link...http://www.rockwellautomation.com/products/certification/ce/index.html#Drivescheers \n </s>

<s>[INST] L61 Processor Faulted, but not indicated within RSLogix5000 software L61 processor with V17 firmware had faulted due to watchdog error. Whilst online to the processor, the indicator within RSLogix5000 stated the control was in Remote Run. Upon noticing that logic was not being executed, the processor was checked visually and seen to have been faulted. A download could not be completed because the mode of the processor could not change from remote run to remote program. The only way of restoring code was to power down processor and remove battery (to clear the processor memory) and then download code. Any ideas or suggestions? [/INST] the processor was checked visually and seen to have been faulted.You mean the OK indication is solid red or blinking Red? Could you check the controller status in RSLogix 5000 under the major and minor faults tabs. A download could not be completed because the mode of the processor could not change from remote run to remote program. The only way of restoring code was to power down processor and remove battery (to clear the processor memory) and then download code.Try switch the key switch to Run mode then back to Program mode then to Remote mode to clear the fault and try download again without power recycle. Jesse81, Does the application contain Periodic or Event Tasks or UID instructions? These can block communication (like HMI), including communication with RSLogix 5000 if the task starts to overlap because no time is left for the communication task in the controller OS. Then RSLogix 5000 will become unresponsive or even be taken offline. This often results in a message that a mode change request was received but cannot be completed. Dale, W8ABZ \n </s>

<s>[INST] SMC FW Upgrade I am trying to upgrade the firmware on a SMC drive but can't seem to get it going. Drive Explorer will connect to the drive but won't read the new firmware version and I don't see the SMC on Controlflash. Any advise? [/INST] I guess you're talking about SMC Flex.... :smileytongue: Did you already check for upgrade instructions HERE ? Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Sorry, I guess I didn't give you enough info. I havee these upgrade files but Drive Explorer won't recognize the file format and Control Flash won't accept the Cat # for the drive. I'm resonably sure that this is not an outdated drive since it was only installed 3 years ago. Which error (if one) did you get using ControlFlash ?Did you try to install latest version of Drive Explorer ?Did you also try to upgrade using HyperTerminal ? Be aware to upgrade your communication module at least to the indicated minimum versions before trying the update of your SMC... :smileysurprised: May you also post the cat # of your SMC and Current Firmware version ? - fuzzy logic The cat# is 150-FS1FX and the FW is 4.004. I didn't get an error message from Control Flash, I believe Drive Explorer is the latest version and I just downloaded the latest driver for my comm module The cat.# indicated is the one of the Internal Control Module... the complete # should be something like 150-FxxxNxxx .... :smileysurprised: Anyway, please complete your request with more details... you just gave little parts every time...the more effort you put in your posts, the more help you can expect to receive... :smileywink: So, we don't know which is the cat.# of your communication device, we don't know its firmware, the version of Drive Explorer, the error or the point where Drive Explorer cannot continue, a description of the steps you make using ControlFlash and where you find troubles, if you have tried with Hyperterminal, some screenshots of your tests... :smileysurprised: All this just to try to help you better... otherwise it become so difficult to understand what happens at your site... :smileysad: - fuzzy logic I'll spend some time on it as soon as I get a minute. Can't seem to catch up. Thanks for the help anyway.The light just came on. I'm at home working with the control module and not the complete drive so the #s won't match up. Is it possible that I can't do this without the whole drive? doesn't make sense to me but you never know. Hello again. I've got a few minutes so I'll try to fill in the details.The drive cat# is 150-F201NCD FWVer. 4.004Drive Explorer FW Ver is 6.01.27 LiteI can communicate with the drive in Drive Explorer and also upload and download the parameter values loaded in the drive. The problem comes when I try to download a saved file. For some reason the app.bin and appupdate files come up as not a recognizable file typeIn Control Flash I can't get past the first screen where it asks for the cat#. When I load the # into the drop down menu box and hit next I get no response.I am not familiar enough with Hyperterminal to give you the info you need.Thanks for your time. Talking about Drive Explorer, the download saved file action is NOT the one to use to flash the SMC...:smileysurprised: You can get to the flash functionality of Drive Explorer by first selecting the device to flash on the left hand pane. Then select Device Properties (under Explore, or depress the blue circle with a lower case i in it, on the toolbar). On the Properties pop up screen, select component details tab,select flash update. The file to be used is the one downloaded from Support site coming with ControlFlash. See the Screenshot.... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Thank you. It's nice when you know the ins and outs of the program. As you can see I.T. is not my first line of work. One more dumb question though, Where is the green solution button?:smileytongue: :smileytongue: It is visible right under the Kudos! button, only for the user who has started the thread (here is Joseph) ... Don't worry for that, a Moderator could provide this for you.... thanks for the positive feedback. :smileyhappy: - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] How do I figure the racks in the I/O configuration menu using a scanner Need help on this one. We have 3 10 slot chassis. Chassis 1 has A.Processor 1747-L532 (SLC 500) 5/03 frn 11 B.Scanner 1747-SN Series B C.Input module 1746-IA16 D.Input module 1746-IA16 E.Output module 1746-OA16 F.Output module 1746-OA16 G.Output module 1746-OA16 H.Output module 1746-OA16 I. Output module 1746-OB16 J. Output module 1746-OB16 Chassis 2 A.Remote adapter module 1747-ASB B.Input module 1746-IA16 C.Input module 1746-IA16 D.Output module 1746-OA16 E.Output module 1746-OA16 F.Output module 1746-OA16 G.Output module 1746-OA16 H.Output module 1746-OA16 I. Output module 1746-OB16 J. Output module 1746-OB16 Chassis 3 (SAME AS 2) A.Remote adapter module 1747-ASB B.Input module 1746-IA16 C.Input module 1746-IA16 D.Output module 1746-OA16 E.Output module 1746-OA16 F.Output module 1746-OA16 G.Output module 1746-OA16 H.Output module 1746-OA16 I. Output module 1746-OB16 J. Output module 1746-OB16 SW 1-1 on SW 2-1 on SW 3-1 off SW 1-2 on SW 2-2 on SW 3-2 on SW 1-3 on SW 2-3 off SW 3-3 off SW 1-4 on SW 2-4 on SW 3-4 off SW 1-5 on SW 2-5 on SW 3-5 on SW 1-6 on SW 2-6 off SW 3-6 off SW 1-7 on SW 2-7 on SW 3-7 on SW 1-8 on SW 2-8 on SW 3-8 on Both adapters are setup with this switch arangment Except SW 1-6 is off on the first one. Is it right ? And how do I set up the racks ? Please Help. Thanks in advance [/INST] mikekinzie, I'll suggest the following: First remote rack: Sw 1-1 on / Sw 1-2 on / Sw 1-3 on / Sw 1-4 on / Sw 1-5 on / Sw 1-6 on / Sw 1-7 on / Sw 1-8 on (it means Rack 0 - starting group 0)Sw 2 is ok.Sw 3 is ok. Second remote rack: Sw 1-1 on / Sw 1-2 on / Sw 1-3 on / Sw 1-4 on / Sw 1-5 off / Sw 1-6 on / Sw 1-7 on / Sw 1-8 on (it means Rack 2 - starting group 0)Sw 2 is ok.Sw 3 is ok. First chassis uses all rack 0 images, plus 1/4 of rack 1. Second chassis uses all rack 2 images, plus 1/4 of rack 3. So that -SN module should be configured in RS500 as: RACK 0 - Starting gr. 0 - Full RackRACK 1 - Starting gr. 0 - 1/4 RackRACK 2 - Starting gr. 0 - Full RackRACK 3 - Starting gr. 0 - 1/4 Rack You may also use a more compacted addressing, that reserves some logical racks on -SN, but this is more easy to realize and anyway left some extra spaces (3/4 of a rack) in both chassis. Hope this helps.... :smileywink: - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Lost all axisname.AbsoluteReferenceStatus bits A four axis 1769-L43 with SERCOS based has been working fine for almost a year. All motors are MPL with multi-turn absolute encoders Then one morning all axisname.AbsoluteReferenceStatus bits were off. The encoders were still reading the correct value. Just moved the axis to the absolute home position using motion direct command and performed a MAH using motion direct commands. WHat can cause the system to loose all axisname.AbsoluteReferenceStatus bits at the same time? [/INST] Just trying to help, as I'm not an expert on this :smileytongue: Aid 47351 reports the cases where the bit is either set or reset. After that, you may consider three cases where a problem could be in the code: 1. MAH (Motion Axis Home) repeated more than once in code, thus resetting the absolute position reference. 2. MRP (Motion Redefine Position) repeated more than once in code, thus resetting the absolute position reference. 3. Changing from Linear to Rotary mode within the code. Double check if you're in one of these cases, then take the appropriate actions to solve. If you are not in those cases, please post again so that other folks here will have the possibility to help you more.... :smileywink: - fuzzy logic The drives are Kinetix6000.There are no MAH or MRP instructions in the code. I use 'motion direct commands' to set the absolute position reference. In the event of an E73 or E76 fault when control power is removed from the system, the absolute reference bit will be cleared on AM modules. Note that these faults are rare and are typically caused by hardware failures or bent pins on the power rail. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Compact GuardLogix When will the 1768-L43S be available to OEMs? [/INST] Unofficial voices talk about some delay due to the release of RSLogix 5000 v18, needed for that controller... thus probably it will be available between March and April 2010. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] step/direction (stepper) output with CLX & Ultra 3K I have an existing application with a microprocessor providing step and direction pulses to a Ultra 3000 for positioning a machine.I want to replace the microprocessor with Controllogix, but can not replace the existing drive. Is a third party stepper module (AMCI 3202) my only option?Can I position control the 3K in velocity mode with the 1756-M02AE? [/INST] Hi flashbif, nice to *see* you again here in the Forum. :smileywink: Actually, CLX stepper module is only available through Encompass partner AMCI, as you've already indicated.Anyway, the other solution you've mentioned is also valid, and IMO more versatile and more integrated, as you may use all the Motion instructions inside RS5000, just use the Ultraware to change the type of control you will use. Aid 22169 contains -M02AE Motion examples that may help. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] RSMACC Activations Hi What activations need a RMACC Client? Thank, Bernardo [/INST] Hi, have a look to the image below.... Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Log File Copy in PanelView Plus or VersaView Can I copy Alarm log file(Event or Data Log File) from PanelView Plus or VersaView via USB port and inspect it on other computer ? [/INST] Yes, this is possible... all the informations you need and the utility to accomplish the copy in Aid 35513 and Aid 33924 Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] RSlogix 5000 Does anyone out there have a easy way to check to see if a value in a register has changed? [/INST] I don't know if I well understood your question... :smileyindifferent: If you want to see if there are differances between your offline file and the program loaded in the cpu, you may use the Compare Tool. You have to install it from the RSlogix 5000 Instalation CD, under Tools folder. The technotes below may help you... http://rockwellautomation.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/rockwellautomation.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=52526 http://rockwellautomation.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/rockwellautomation.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=46140 - fuzzy logic Sorry, I wasn't clear on my question. What I'm trying to do is check a value in my logic to see if it has changed recently. I'm trying to compare and old value witha new value. I have done this before, however when I update the old to become the new I get varied results because the logic may update the old even thoughI'm not wanting to have it updated at that time. Maybe this is still not clear, but what I need is a way to compare old and new values after some logic has taken place. I'm looking at a scale value on a particular scan. I want to check that scale value on the next scan and compare to the old scan to see if I need to update and run that logic in the next scan; if not I want to bypass that logic until I get a change in the value then update the old to the new. Does this make more sense? Thanks Ok, I'm getting lost in the words, but still ok (joke) ... :smileyvery-happy: Well, I have attached my example, hope that helps...(it needs some glue logic I think..) - fuzzy logic I'm doing a bit of reading between the lines here, but this comment raised a flag (emphasis added): I'm looking at a scale value on a particular scan. From what I think you are saying, sometimes the logic works, and sometimes it doesn't (I get varied results) You need to adapt yourself to a new way of thinking when working with Controllogix: IO update is asynchronous to logic scan. Therefore, if you are looking at an input tag in two different places in the logic, even if they are on consecutive rungs, or even on the same rung, there is a chance that when the logic scans it, it could have two different values, having been updated in the time between. PLC-5s and SLCs do not work this way, but ControlLogix does Usually this isn't a problem. But it sounds like, just maybe, your logic could fail because you check to see if it's not changed (it hasn't), and then later down your code, you either check on it again, or you assume that is hasn't change, but it now has. The way to get around this problem is to buffer the input, moving the Input to some internal tag once and only once in the program, and then use that internal tag everywhere else in your program. Otherwise, FuzzyLogic has got the right answer - if an NEQ is true, store the new old value, and flag a bit. The bit could be OTL (as shown) or OTE (which makes the bit only true for one scan). Good luck. \n </s>

<s>[INST] AC driver 3.7KW can use for motor 4KW I have an AC drive 3.7KW. Can it use for motor 4kW ? [/INST] RiverVN, normally this is not possible, because the motor is bigger size than drive... just check the FLA current the motor needs, and verify if the drive could supply it. I suggest to go with 4 Kw drive, to better manage intermittent overload, and also start-up current. Hope this helps.... - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] 1747-PIC I am unable to get the PIC driver to install. After configuring the PIC driver won't start and doesn't show in the device manager.I have done the following: I have done all that the tech notes say. Reinstalled com port, restarted the PC, reinstalled Linx 2.54, removed and installed 2.53, Turned off Linx Enterprise,and have come to the conclusion there is an issue with the OS, XP SP2. This computer D810 is identical to the other techs here and they all successfully have used the PIC. I know I have also used the PIC on this PC in the past, although its been a few months since I last used it. I talked to Rockwell Tech Support and their conclusion was that it is the APIC controller that is causing the trouble. I am going to try rolling back the drivers this weekend and look at the BIOS also, but if anyone else has an answer it would be greatly appreciated. Purchasing a UIC isn't an option. [/INST] Pete, I can say I have a D610 with WinXP sp2 and PIC driver works fine... Unfortunately, I've seen many many PIC driver issues until now, and I can say it was very difficult to solve them (sometimes there was no way to have it run :smileysad: ). As you've seen, there are plenty technotes about it... I would like to suggest some of them, which I've used in the past, sometimes with success. Aid 9839 - Aid 9772 - Aid 16442 - Aid 43852 .... unless you've already found and tested them... :smileytongue: Anyway, you've not mentioned error messages ... did you configure the PIC driver without errors? Hope this helps... - fuzzy logic I managed to get it working this weekend. I manually changed the com port driver from serial to PIC using the update driver option. Still unsure of what caused it to fail. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Clearing a Micrologix 1100 fault. Is there a way to clear a fault in a ML 1100 without using a PC connected to the PLC? Thank you! [/INST] elrg, you want try to cycle power to it (old good method :smileytongue: ) but I think there are little possibilities to solve... if the error is still there, the controller will fault again :smileysad: First good info is to know the status of the fault led: if it isn't flashing, but solid red,then it is related to an hardware issue, and maybe impossible to clear that fault. Only hope is that the fault is caused by an accumulated value become too big, and that a startup routine will clear it at powerup. I think unfortunately that the best solution is to have somebody connected to the plc to see which is the error code, removing the cause of fault and restart it. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Can I use firmware series B (FRN 8) with micrologix 1100 series A (FRN 3)? Hi, Can I use firmware series B (FRN 8) with micrologix 1100 series A (FRN 3)? [/INST] Yes. When the firmware is upgrade, the series of the MicroLogix 1100 is be changed to series B. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Clarifing Sinking and Sourcing on the 700S Here are the questions that I have about the Power-flex 700S phase II drive. I will be using an external power supply source and NOT the drive internal power supply from Terminal [/INST] wow... pretty long question ! :smileyvery-happy: Yes, you're right, there is a type-o on that manual... :smileysurprised: In order to see the correct version, download the following : PF700S ph II User Manual - page 1-27 (here attached is a screenshot) Also, what you explain you want to realize is correct; you're sinking the digital outputs...again take a look to the attached image. Hope this helps... :smileywink: - fuzzy logic Wow, Hey Logic thanks a bunch for your response! Certainly cleared things up. Yes your right I could have been a bit more to the point. At any rate I cerainly hope I can return the favor someday! take care... \n </s>

<s>[INST] Safety I/O configurations Hi,I use the 1734-OB8S Safety I/O modules, and use also the Configuring GuardLogix to Control POINT Guard I/O Modules Guide. My problem is that I don't have the 1734-OB8S moduels now. It is possible to configuarte the Modules Offline? or must I online with the safety module? On the Page 11 of the Configuring GuardLogix to Control POINT Guard I/O Modules Guide. I can't fill in anything! everything is grey :( [/INST] The GuardLogix Safety Editor is only included with the Full and Professional editions of RSLogix 5000. Service and Standard editions allow upload/download and view capabilities, but you cannot edit or add safety tags, safety instructions or safety modules.Alternatively, the GuardLogix editor can be purchased separately and added to Standard edition to gain safety functionality. The catalog number for this part is 9324-RLDGLXE. NOTE: If you are attempting to edit or create a Safety project with a version of RSLogix 5000 other than that listed above, you will observe the following symptoms:Safety Task is grayed out (unable to edit)Safety module configurations cannot be edited or changedSafety modules are not available in the pick list for you to add to your I/O configurationYou cannot select L61S, L62S or L63S when creating a new projectYou cannot Safety Lock/Unlock, create or delete a Safety Signature Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Communicate Modbus to ControlLogix5000 Communicate Modbus to ControlLogix5000?? Changed title to reflect content - JHutch [/INST] It is possible to use the serial port of a Logix Controller as a Master or Slave on ModbusTo implement this refer to the following Application Solution documents; http://literature.rockwellautomation.com/idc/groups/literature/documents/ap/cig-ap129_-en-p.pdf The example applications can be found on the RSLogix 5000 install CD. In RSLogix 5000, go to 'Help' and 'Vendor Sample Projects'. Also you have the possibility to use an Encompass module from Prosoft to do this. http://www.psft.com/prosoft/products/for_rockwell_automation/platform/controllogix/mvi56_mcm Linkified for convenience - JHutch \n </s>

<s>[INST] Safe Off Wiring for PowerFlex 40P I have an MSR138DP and PF40P, with an E-stop. Is there a working electrical drawing that I can have to design a Cat 1 stop? The exisiting drawing on the DriveGuard manual does not explicitly state what the 'Enable' input is located on the PF40P? Please help. [/INST] There is actually two steps to installing the Driveguard option. You remove the driveguard plug which just protects the pins that a terminal strip plugs on to and then remove the drive Enable jumper. The driveguard is really just a relay that is energized by a field device (e-stop pull-cord, etc) and the contacts enable the drive to run. You have to remove the front plastic cover on the drive to get to the pins. Page 7-8 show the location on a 40P drive. I/O terminals 1, 2, and 3 are dedicated to Stop. Start, and Reverse operation. The driveguard really takes the place of the enable jumper which, I believe, disconnects gating power to the IGBT's. Find this manual (driveguard safe-off option (series B) for powerflex40p and 70 AC drives) in the literature:pflex-um003_-en-p.pdf On page 14 you have the example you're looking for. success :smileytongue:C Thank you both for your replies. So, just for clarification (sorry if this is a stupid question), if I were to label each input based on page 14 on the DriveGuard booklet, as a terminal input on the PF40P.+24V DC would be Terminal 11.Stop would be Terminal 01.Start would be Terminal 02.Common would be Terminal 04.So, where is the Enable input?In the PF40P User Manual, page 1-14 states in note (4), When the ENBL enable jumper is removed, the I/O Terminal 01 will always act as a hardware enable causing a caost to stop without software intepretation. That means the ENBL jumper cannot be removed if I want a Category 1 Stop. Therefore, where is the Enable input as a Terminal? If you want a controlled stop you need to wire it as shown in example 2 Safe-Off Connection with Controlled Stop Action, Dual Channel Regards correct-this should be the right answer. OK thanks. But where is the Enable input? In your old application you used the enable input to stop the drive. That changes for this application. To stop the drive, now use the stop input. As written in the manual:The output circuits (13-14) will issue a Stop command to the drive and cause a controlled deceleration Then after a certain time both safety inputs trip (safe off board + enable input).As written in the manual:After the programmed delay, the timed output circuits (47-48 & 57-58) will cause the Safe-Off option and the drive enable circuit to trip. If the motor is rotating when the trip occurs, it will coast to stop. So it is very important the drive is stopped before the safety kicks in (the programmed delay should be enough). Hopefully this makes it more clear.:smileytongue: successC \n </s>

<s>[INST] Function Files in a Micrologix controller What are they and do I need them?How do I delete them? Could it be interfering with my printing? [/INST] Function Files are an integral part of Micrologix Controllers and through them you can access, configure and use some of the *advanced* features of these PLC, like High Speed Counters, Pulse Train Outputs, Interrupts etc.You may find them explained in the Reference Manual for your Micrologix Controller. If you want them removed from your report, just configure the Report Options to exclude these files from the printout...see the image below... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic I found out I had a corrupted file; I had to Save AS an .SLC file, then open into RSLogix500. Once I did this the program finished the report and I was able to deselect the Function Files. Before this it would print thousands of blank Function File pages. Thanks! \n </s>

<s>[INST] powerflex 700 error F 90 I have a powerflex 700 series B firmware 6.004. I am trying to connect an encoder to watch the position of the motor. I set P53 (motor control select) to sensorless vector and I also tried FVC vector. I had P80 (Feedback Select) set to encoder and P412 (motor feedback type) to quad check and then to quadrature. With any of these settings I get fault 90 after a few minutes of running. So, then I set the drive back to factory defaults and i still got fault 90. I had to power down and remove the encoder card in order to run the drive without faulting on F90. Any suggestions? The encoder is new - quadrature 600 ppr. (I did set P413 to 600) Also do you know if there are any advanced drives classes available from Rockwell? [/INST] Manual report this as Encoder Quad Err, Both encoder channels changed state within one clock cycle. Actions: 1. Check for externally induced noise. 2. Replace encoder. After these two checks, I guess you may have a faulty Encoder Card... :smileysad: - fuzzy logic This is a new encoder card that I installed in a drive that was already running without the encoder. As for noise - I have the drain connected at the encoder end only. This should eliminate noise issues, right? Another thing... Why would I be getting the encoder quad error when I have the drive feedback set to sensorless vector? The error only went away when I removed the encoder card. Hmmm... my opinion is there is something wrong either in the Encoder Card or the Main Board in the circuit's part inherent the Encoder. After a new check of all cabling and settings (also jumpers based on encoder voltage), and a new test with card mounted on the drive, I suggest to call in the RA Support for further and deeper instructions. About the Training Classes, contact your RA representative... see this site for infos... Apologize to be unable to help more on your issue... :smileysad: - fuzzy logic I know this is a little old but I thought I would comment anyway... The Parameter 80 (feedback select) and 412 (motor feedback type) should both be examined. If 412 is set to detect the encoder then you will get F90 no matter what type of feedback select you are using. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Ethernet IP Communications I am working with a Micro Logix 1400 and an Emmerson Epsolon EP Drive, and would appreciate any help setting up communications via Ethernet IP.The Epsolon Drive accepts the Ethernet IP, and I have 2 drives I need to work with. I believe the method is the Multihop MSG, but I am not sure.ThanksJoe [/INST] Joe, first of all just a note to clarify the MicroLogix 1100 and MicroLogix 1400 do not support implicit ethernet communications needed to control I/O over ethernet. These controllers do support messaging over this network though. So the only way to have it control a drive via Ethernet/IP is thru explicit messaging. Please be aware that controlling I/O with explicit messages is relatively complex compared to normal implicit I/O control, and has a number of limitations... Aid 52205 shows you an example on how to control PowerFlex AB drives via explicit messages.This is relatively simple due to the fact that inside those drives there are some words already prepared for this functionality. In your case you have to use a different type of message, CIP generic, but this is quite difficult if it isn't documented, because you have to know how the objects (Class, Instance, Attribute)are inside the Emerson Drives. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] SCP Parameters for MLX 1500's Hello all, I have a quick question. Usually i am dealing with SLC 5/05's so bare with me. I am using a MLX 1500 and I am setting up a PID loop. I know in the SLC you scale the process variable scaled min to 0, and scaled max to 16383. And the output scaling is Input min = 0, Input Max =100, Scaled Min = 6242, and Scaled Max = 31208. My question is are these the same for the 1769-OF8C Analog Current Output module for the MLX 1500's? Thanks for the help... [/INST] You may find the informations you need either in User Manual page 4-33 or technote 48255 Hope this helps…:smileyhappy: - fuzzy logic Thanks Fuzzy.. So I gather from the Technote 48255. That my output scaling: Scaled Min = -29822Scaled Max= 29085 Compared to the Output card 1746-NO8I. Scaled Min = 6242Scaled Max = 31208 thanks for the help \n </s>

<s>[INST] RSTrainer Activation Problems I want to get a computer set up with RSTrainer for some of our employees. I have Logix, Linx etc. working and activated fine BUT I keep getting license errors when I install and then try to start the RSTrainer programs. Any ideas.???? I know the old floppy disks were a hassle but man I never had problems like this. [/INST] Take a look to Aid 24247 and Aid 24257... If you're using 2009 Automation Toolkit, please be aware of what is indicated in Aid 57786. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Wiring 3-Wire Transmitter into 1756-IF16 Can I connect 3-wire Transmitter(24V,0V,4~20m Output) into 1492-AIFM8-F-5 (1756-IF16, Differential Mode) ?If possible, please let me know the wiring diagram. [/INST] Yes, you can do what is indicated in the image below... Channel 0 is shown... you have to use the 1492-ACABLExxxUD to connect the terminal board to the module. Hope this helps, - fuzzy logic Thanks for your help. I have one more question. Can I apply the connection diagram you informed to the both of current source transmitter and current sink transmmiter ? No, the connection is different... see Aid 28320 Hope this helps, - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] ControlNet Was ControlNet developed by Rockwell Automation or by ControlNet International? [/INST] ControlNet is an open industrial network protocol for industrial automation applications; it was developed by Rockwell Automation (Allen-Bradley) in 1996. It was earlier supported by Controlnet international, but in 2008 support and management of ControlNet was transferred to ODVA, which now manages all protocols in the Common Industrial Protocol family. - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Can't Find License File I have a borrowed activation for RSNetworks. I have had this for a few months and it works fine. I just borrowed another activation for RSView32. The Factory Talk Activation tool shows the activation there. But RSView32 still comes up in demo mode. One of the tech notes said to look at the license file for possible corruption. I CANNOT FIND THE FILE|||. I have searched my entire hard drive in various ways for the extension '.lic'. I made sure to look for hidden files, etc. Is there some other extension this might be under? I did find one tech reference to '.lic.txt', but that didnt' work either. [/INST] Just some questions to help me or other users to reply... :smileysurprised: Are you logged on the client computer with the same user who has borrowed the activation ?Which is the version of RSView32 are you using ?May you also post a screenshot of your FTA tool where it is possible to see the borrowed activation? - fuzzy logic The computer that the borrowed license is on is a stand alone, not connected to the network after I borrowed the license. Same user.The version of RSView32 is 7.2. I think my main question is where is the license file? It must exist since the RSNetworks works ok. File .lic is on FactoryTalk Activation Server, you cannot find it on the client computer. Anyway, I think the problem here is related to the fact your RSView32 version doesn't support Concurrent Activation; see the table below extracted from Aid 52551... you have to upgrade your software version. :smileysurprised: Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Single PanelView Plus App on Multiple CNet I am using three PanelView Plus terminals with each one residing on seperate CNet networks. All three terminals use identical PVP applications but I am maintaining three seperate application files. Is there a way I can use only one application file for all three terminals? I think it comes down to the comm setup but I am not sure. Thanks,Art [/INST] Well, if the node numbers are all the same between the 3 different networks, yeah, one app would work. But if the node numbers are changing, you'd have to have 3 separate projects since the comms information is different. JHutch Is it possible to configure each terminals communications properties manually and not replace communications when downloading the MER file? Yes, you can use the Network and Communications settings accessible from the Configuration Mode - Terminal Settings of your Panelview Plus.User Manual chapter 4 starting from page 67 explains how this can be done manually.... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] RTS vs RPI In the case that a remote analog input modules connected via ControlNet, because it is the RPI and NOT the RTS which dictates when the module’s data will be sent over the network, Rockwell Automation recommended that the RPI value be set LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO the RTS to make sure that the updated channel data is received by the owner-controller with each receipt of data. However, if the RPI value be set EQUAL TO the RTS, then each RPI will be reset by RTS, and RPI will never be happen. How could the owner-controller receive the data from that module in this case? [/INST] The RTS is different than the RPI. Since you mentioned connection via ControlNet, the RPI is more relevant to the network update time (NUT) rather than the RTS of the module. The RTS is merely the update time of the module itself, collecting or sampling the data connected to the module and is independent of the processor. The RPI is the time frame that the process can request data from the module or the controlnet adapter. If the RPI is faster than your RTS, then you'll receive updated data. If the RPI is slower than the module sampling, then you'll miss data, especially if you're using the time-stamping feature. The RPI must be greater than the NUT, which is a time alotted to the network to gather ALL the information connected to that controlnet segment. Your modules may be sampling at 2.5ms but there is no way your controlnet network can gather all the data available in 2.5ms. Rather wordy but hope it gives some light on your question. Thanks for the detailed explanation for RTS vs RPI. If the value of RPI is greater than RTS for AIO module in the remote chassis connected with ControlNet, the updated data will be lost indeed. But what will happen if the value of RPI and RTS is set to the same number? The RPI is in the RSLogix configuration and controls how often the processor requests information from the I/O. It doesn't matter how fast or how slow the RTS is regarding the RPI. The RPI is determined by the network update time (NUT) when you configured your ControlNet network. You can't request information faster (RPI) faster than your network scanner can update the information (NUT). Your RTS will almost always be faster than the RPI simply because the RTS information is at the module and the processor is on the network. You can have the RTS and RPI set to the same number because they're independent of each other. If you have an RPI of 5ms (good luck), then it will try to automatically adjust your controlnet configuration when you schedule the network to the fastest time you specified. The RTS for, all practical purposes, has nothing to do with the RPI especially when dealing with ControlNet. On page 2-5 of ControlLogix Analog I/O Modules user manual 1756-UM009B-EN-P described that it is important to note that the module will reset the RPI timer each time an RTS is performed. Page 2-7 described that when remote analog I/O modules are connected to the owner-controller via a scheduled ControlNet network, the RPI and RTS intervals still define when the module will multicast data within its own chassis (as described in the previous section). Could we conclud that no matter whether an analog I/O module is installed in local or remote chassis, the module will reset the RPI timer each time an RTS is performed? If so, how could we say that the RTS for, all practical purposes, has nothing to do with the RPI especially when dealing with ControlNet? While it is true it resets the RPI, look at the last paragraph on page 2-5 about them being the same (for direct-connected local I/O) in that it's multicasting at the RTS rate. The reason for the resetting the RPI timer is that if good data is received within that time-frame, no need to wait the full amount of time. If your RPI is FASTER than the RTS, then you'll only receive updated data at the RTS rate. You can't get faster data than the module is prepared to send it. For remote I/O via Controlnet, the RPI and RTS still define that data within its own chassis but the RPI still determines how often the processor receives data over the network. The next two paragraphs on p. 2-7 also agree on what I mentioned in the prior post: The timing of this “reserved” spot may or may not coincide with theexact value of the RPI, but the control system guarantees that theowner-controller receives data at least as often as the specified RPI. The “reserved” spot on the network and the module’s RTS areasynchronous [bold added] to each other. This means there are Best and Worst Casescenarios as to when the owner-controller will receive updatedchannel data from the module in a networked chassis. I didn't mention local I/O in the first post since your topic delt with Controlnet. You can request information (low RPI) as fast as you want but the data you get may or may not be updated as fast as you think it is if based solely on the RPI. The controlnet network can only update data so fast. If you request a 5ms RPI but your network can only deliver updated information every 20ms, then you're using a lot of bandwidth for nothing. Thanks again for the detailed instruction about RTS and RPI. But my question is that if the RPI value be set EQUAL TO the RTS, then each RPI will be RESET by RTS, and RPI will never be happen. Is that true? If not, why? Hi, not really to add something more than fordtt has already written (and well explained), but let me try to say something on this thread... To answer your last question: YES this is true, RTS will always reset the RPI timer. Then, what is important to understand is that this doesn't mean that the module data are not updated in the processor through the Controlnet network because the RPI will never happen.... this just means that the module multicasts data in that remote chassis only at RTS. Controlnet *knows* that you want to receive data in the processor at least as often that RPI (the time you've indicated in the RPI field ! ) and will do *the best* to obtain this. So, the time you've indicated in the RPI field for that module is used by the network cpu to reserve a correspondent time spot in the data flow coming from that Controlnet adaper. Now, about the suggestion in the manual: Because it is the RPI and NOT the RTS which dictates when the module’s data will be sent over the network, we recommend the RPI value be set LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO the RTS to make sure that updated channel data is received by the owner-controller with each receipt of data. It seems to me quite clear, but trying to say that using other words... if you set an RPI of 20ms and an RTS of 5 ms (it is just an example...) then your module will continue to multicast data in that remote chassis every 5 ms, but the Controlnet will reserve a time spot for these datas to go to the processor only every 20 ms; so, it could be considered not so useful...I mean, if you are interested to receive data from that module every 5 ms, then you have to instruct the Controlnet (using RPI value ... :smileysurprised: ) to reserve a spot in the data flow at least every 5 ms... Hope this clears things... - fuzzy logic Thanks Fuzzy. Too bad I didn't have a whiteboard to draw it out on.....I can draw better than I type. I appreciate fordtt's and fuzzy logic's enthusiasm for answering my question. One point I don't understand is the statement that the RPI will be reset by RTS. Let's use fuzzy logic's example. If we set an RPI of 20ms and an RTS of 5 ms then the module will continue to multicast data in that remote chassis every 5 ms indeed. Because RPS will be reset by RTS every 5 ms, so RPI will never time out. In this case the RPI will never be happen. It seems that the setting value of RPI is equivalent to infinity (no time out). So the controller will never get updated data (no RPI happened). However fuzzy logic mentioned that the ControlNet will reserve a time spot for these data to go to the processor every 20 ms. It seems that there is no different for RPI time out or not. If so, try to answer the following question: If RPI will not be reset by RTS, than what will be the difference? Each I/O module has it's own RPI which tells the module how often to send out (multicast) it's contents (data). However, it your RTS time is GREATER than the RPI and the RPI times out, it gets whatever data the module has, whether it's up-to-date or not. If the RTS is less than the RPI, then each time it requests data, the data will be up-to-date. Since your question was specific to remote I/O via ControlNet, the RPI determines how often the owning controller receives the data over the network. Don't get too hung up on resetting the RPI since this is for local chassis. The main concept you need to determine is how fast do you need the data in your processor. You have to do a little more planning when using Controlnet since the network update time (NUT) HAS to be figured into your RPI calculation. Typically, the RPI needs to be at least twice the NUT time. If the fastest network update time you can have (based on the slowest device on your segment) is 5ms, then the RPI should be 10ms. If your analog module is multicasting every 2.5ms, then when the RPI times out and requests information, the data on the analog module is current. If your RTS is 100ms, then you'll get the same exact data several times in a row because your controller is requesting it every 10ms. Like I said, don't worry too much about the RPI being reset but know that when you set the RPI time, the controller will do it's best to retrieve data within that time frame. RPS will be reset by RTS in local chassis only, and RPS will not be reset by RTS in remote chassis. Is the above statement correct or not? No, this is not correct ! RPI and RTS works the same way in both the local and remote chassis, main difference is that in local chassis they will send data directly to the controller, in the remote chassis they serve to multicast data within their own chassis, and the time you enter in RPI field is considered by the network as the time to be reserved in the flow of data toward the owner controller. RTS will always reset the RPI timer. As also fordtt wrote, it is not so important in the remote chassis the fact the RPI is reset....I mean, the Controlnet network knows in any case when to reserve a spot of time in the data flow based on the value you've entered in the RPI of that module. So, again, to figure out with an example, assume you've configured your analog module with a RTS of 40ms and a RPI of 80ms.... Data within the remote chassis are updated when RTS multicasts module data, so every 40 ms... RPI will always be reset and so, it will never multicast data in this remote chassis; anyway, the Controlnet will reserve a spot in data flow to the owner controller every 80ms, to let the data of that module to be sent. The timing of this “reserved” spot may or may not coincide with the exact value of the RPI, but the control system guarantees that the owner-controller receives data at least as often as the specified RPI. Hope it is clear now... :smileytongue: - fuzzy logic It is important in the remote chassis the fact the RPI is reset. Because this is the key point for clarifying of this thread. As fuzzy logic mentioned, every 40 ms... RPI will always be reset and so, it will never multicast data in this remote chassis; It seems that there exist another timer for every 80ms to reserve a spot in data flow to the owner controller, and this timer will not be reset by RTS. If not, then the RPS timer will never time done. In this case how could the Controlnet reserve a spot in data flow to the owner controller every 80ms? The time we entered in RPI field is considered by the network as the time to be reserved in the flow of data toward the owner controller indeed. But no time done no action, shouldn't there exist a timer to be time done every 80ms for achieving of this purpose? I wonder if I have well expressed what my point is? :smileysurprised: Basically, when you have to run a Controlnet network, after you've configured all your nodes and modules, you need to schedule the network, giving it a NUT and using RSNetworx for Cnet. In that moment, the software reads the value you have entered in the RPI for your modules, and configure the system to reserve the spot we mentioned many times in this thread. Now, in the last example we are discussing, I'm agree NEVER the RPI will multicast data, only the RTS will do in this configuration; you then have two cases: Best Case RTS Scenario In the Best Case scenario, the module performs an RTS multicast with updated channel data just before the “reserved” network slot is made available. In this case, the remotely-located owner-controller receives the data almost immediately. Worst Case RTS Scenario In the Worst Case scenario, the module performs an RTS multicast just after the “reserved” network slot has passed. In this case, the owner-controller will not receive data until the next scheduled network slot. So, remove the timer question from your mind: Controlnet *knows* when transfer the requested data to the owner controller since the network scheduling; in this example, you will only have RTS multicasts data, the module will not do RPI multicast. The RPI is not used to trigger the data transfer to the owner controller in a remote chassis ! Again, it has 2 functions :multicast data within its own chassis (when not resetted by RTS !)instruct the system to reserve the spot in the data flow What else ? :smileywink: - fuzzy logic You have to remember that every packet, every connection on a controlnet network needs to be scheduled. You can have unscheduled communication but it's not guaranteed to have a specific update time due to the fact unscheduled uses remaining leftover bandwidth. Since the communication is scheduled the controlnet interface (the Keeper) knows what data to expect within a particular timeframe, and from whom....therefore the reserved spot in data. In your post you mention ANOTHER timer every 80ms....this other timer is the RPI in the owning controller. The controlnet interface module (the keeper) coordinates between the RPI and the NUT to poll the data from the network. These timers don't work like a normal timing instruction in logic but coordinate together to ask for and receive data in a predictable manner. Basically, the module will produce it's data at the RTS rate. The controller will receive the data at the RPI rate IF the controlnet network can deliver it that fast. If the module produces data every 40ms and the controller just updated it's data (every 80ms), then the module will produce another stack of new data in another 40ms BUT the controller won't read it because it's only requesting the data every 80ms. Again, don't get too hung up on whether the RPI is reset or not. You select how fast you want the module to produce data, select how fast you want the controller to read the data, schedule the network. \n </s>

<s>[INST] Serial number Trying to load RSLogix 500 and I do not have 10 digit serial number---how do I find the number? [/INST] The Serial Number check during installation is used only to populate the *Help - About* screen, and also only the first four digits you enter are checked to verify it is a valid product serial number; next six digits are not examined so they can be 123456 or anything else. Using RSLogix 500, first four digits dictates the functionality, so enter the following based on your activation: Prefix 1012xxxxxx gives Standard functionality.Prefix 1013xxxxxx gives Starter functionality. Note: normally the Serial Number is printed on a label over Software Box containing Installation disk, and also over the *old* Master Activation disk or for FactoryTalk Activation, in the red envelope, also inside the sotware box. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] date time I WANT TO USE PLC'S DATE TIME INTO MY APPLICATION SO HOW TO USE THAT ONE... THX [/INST] You have to use GSV to get the values and SSV to set the values... attached is an example... I have created a new array named myCLOCK with 7 DINTs and starting from element 0 I get all the Date and Time infos in this array.... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Bless, You can do a GSV to get the LocalDateTime attribute (v16 or v17) or the DateTime attribute (v15 and earlier) for the WallClockTime Object. Fuzzy gave you the layout for the data, a 7 element DINT array. I like to create a User Defined Structure for this. Be sure to use LocalDateTime for v16 or v17 apps because DateTime function was changed in v16. Additional information may be found in CH 4 of the Logix Controller Instruction Set Reference Manual. Here is a link to the manual --> http://literature.rockwellautomation.com/idc/groups/literature/documents/rm/1756-rm003_-en-p.pdf If you're using PLC-5 - family controllers, (if I recall correctly) the date/time is in the S file in S:18 (year) thru about S:23. If you're using RSLogix 5000 version 17, look in the Vendor Sample Programs for an application containing Add-On Instruction examples. There's a whole set of date/time math and manipulation instructions there, with a routine showing examples of usage. I think one example shows how to use them to calculate how many days until you retire. If you're lucky. Dale, W8ABZ I think one example shows how to use them to calculate how many days until you retire. If you're lucky. As I recall, there's another example that will add up all of the things in life that don't add up. I tried using it and it faulted the controller.Something about ...infinite loop resulting in cataclysmic CPU meltdown.Perform the following -1. See TechNote 666 (it's in the details) 2. Using dust pan, sweep up as much of the debris (including chassis) and send to Tech Support.3. Update your resume.4. Remove another Controller of same Catalog Number from inventory and put in waste receptacle.5. Write your mother, she would appreciate hearing from you. I'll try to find the TechNote number. Larry, Believe it or not, despite the date on it, my post was not intended (originally) as an April Fool's Day joke! Here's the rung of interest: Looks like back in July, someone had 7852 calendar days yet to work, plus 9 hours, 48 minutes, 16 seconds and 621274 microseconds. Poor guy.... Those last 600,000 microseconds will be a BEAR! Thanks, Larry, for your funny reply. Thanks, Rockwell, for the useful joke material in the sample app! p.s.: Look at T_Clock, rungs 2 and 3. They got the day of the week computation down to 3 CPTs -- with NO REALs and only two DINT intermediates! I'm definitely gonna use that! Now it's April 2..... Back to work! Dale, W8ABZ Sorry, here's the picture of the rung and data..... My bad Dale, W8ABZ \n </s>

<s>[INST] Barcode Scanner data Is there a way to direct incoming scanner data to specific string entries. [/INST] Oh yea. I am using SE standalone. Well, the question that will drive your solution is what kind of scanner are you using?Are you using a keyboard wedge scanner or a serial/USB? If it's a wedge, the thing you can do is prompt the operator with a VBA screen and put in code to set the tag. If it's a serial/USB, you're looking at creating an activeX control w/ exposed methods/properties that you would then tie to a tag. Probably not the answer you were hoping for, but both of those scenarios are things I've had to do in the past. And it's always depended on the hardware that was either there or spec'd out. Hopefully, it's a wedge scanner, you'll have better control over the scanning procedure. Good luck! -Mark www.theAPAKGroup.com I am afraid that it is a USB scanner Gryphon D100. The PC doesn't have a keyboard. The only thing the operator has to to is put focus on the string entry box. I have the scanner set up to enter. Since the scanner does the enter if the focus is not on the box it will cause a page change or what ever focus is on. Smoke, you may want to experiment with the User Configurable Driver in KepwareEX or Kepserver Enterprise. Tech note 22399 gives an illustration on how this can be used to receive barcode information with a serial scanner. I suspect it may also work with a USB scanner. If so, your operators can scan the barcode and have this write to a tag that the HMI can monitor. If this works, I'd like to hear back - I've not done this with a USB barcode scanner and only once with a serial scanner. I would love to try the KEPware solution but I don't have a license for it, and I don't think I can get them to buy it for just 1 small app. If you are looking to experiment, you can run it in demo mode for 2 hours. Only alternative I could see would be to write your own OPC server. I stopped trying and moved the wireless scanner base over to the PLC. The PLC is a bit away from the opperator stand, so at the end of shift they have to walk over and put the scanner on the charger.I was able to point the data straight to a tag though. Now if I could just get the Display to change with the PLC. I tried an Display Even, but that didn't work. The trick to getting an SE graphic to change based on a command from the controller is to use the Change event of some numeric display in a graphic. When the value of the associated tag changes, the Change event fires. Now your code can examine the value of the tag and depending on the value use the ExecuteCommand method to run a Display command. See tech note 22007 for details on how to do this. BTW, the numeric display can be hidden if you like. Also, a good practice is to cache the graphic containing your VBA with the Display <screenname> /ZA command so that it does not have to be visible all the time. Sweet, Thanks \n </s>

<s>[INST] Powerflex 700 AC Drive - Fault 24 - Decel Inhibit Here's the story, We have (3) Powerflex 700 Drives installed in a cooling tower, powering (3) 60hp Fan Motors. 2 of them run fine - 1 we are having a problem with. It has happened in the past, and has either corrected itself (unlikely) or we have done something to correct the problem (undocumented - electrician's fault :) ). It is going into a fault 24 - Decel Inhibit - The drive is not following a commanded deceleration because it is attempting to limit bus voltage. All 3 fans are set up identically - This fault's Actions are as follows: 1. Verify input voltage is within drive specified limits. - Input voltage is fine on all 3 drives. 2. Verify system ground impedance follows proper grounding techniques. - All 3 drives are grounded to the same bus bar. 3. Disable bus regulation and/or add dynamic brake resistor and/or extend deceleration time. Bus Regulation has been disabled. Deceleration time on this drive has been changed from default to 3600 seconds. Haven't done anything with a Dynamic Brake Resistor - don't understand what it is and I don't want it to Brake. I'm not concerned with the deceleration speed of the fan at all... Anyone have any other suggestions???????? Any other questions that need to be asked/answered ???? PS - Drive will run anywhere from 2 minutes to 10 minutes before faulting. [/INST] It is not clear to me what could be the cause... may be a defective part or firmware in that drive... Did you try to swap the motor commanded by this drive connecting it onto another one of the three? Just to check if the problem stays with that drive or moves where that motor is connected... Also, as a try, you may disable the fault annunciation using Parameter 238, to see if your application can be run anyway....(with caution...!) Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Should have pointed that out earlier also..... We can drive this motor with one of the other drives. So we do know it is in the VFD/VSD. May try disabling the fault annunciation - may keep the unit running... won't solve the problem though! Looks like I need another unit, so I can send this one out for repair.... Thanks You stated that Bus Regulation is disabled. If you are trying to force Drive to decelerate motor at a set rate (decel time) and motor regens more voltage than the DC Bus can handle, the drive will fault with Decel Inhibit. Bus regulation allows the drive to apply more external brake resistor or allow drive frequency to ramp down at a slower rate than the Decel time, both monitor DC Bus to prevent drive from faulting. If you don't care how long it takes for motor to ramp down or don't want drive to attempt any braking, set stop mode to coast. Cranbarry, I'm agree with you... gmferg, also I'm agree about the using of a Coast to stop setting....but are you sure about the Decel Inhibit functionality you explain ? :smileytongue: I think that, if Bus Regulation is OFF, the drive will not try to limit bus voltage during deceleration, so that in the case where you are trying to force Drive to decelerate motor at a set rate (decel time) and motor regens more voltage than the DC Bus can handle, the drive will fault with OVERVOLTAGE fault F5. Isn't it ? :smileysurprised: - fuzzy logic Deceleration is not the problem - I believe it is a problem in the drive itself. I can run this motor with another drive without any issues. All 3 units are set-up identically. Stop mode = coast (always has been) - Thanks though. We had a drive fault of 24 also. We tried increasing decel time and also the bus voltage. Then the local distributor stopped in with a braking resistor. We installed made a couple of parameter changes and haven't had a problem since. It has been a couple months now. He thinks what was happening is there are 2 pumps in line and the pump kicking out couldn't slow down fast enough with the other pump pushing behind it. George \n </s>

<s>[INST] 1791DS-IB8XOBV4 Drawings Are they available? The config and section tools doesn't have a template. [/INST] So I'm leaning toward 'no' in this instance. I don't see any ... but you might get further by contacting the tech support engineers. Try chat from 8-5 EST or use Ask a Question to submit an email query. JHutch \n </s>

<s>[INST] PID programming sample Hello...Anybody here can help me. I have project using an analog input and analog output. I have no idae how to setup a PID using a RS5000 software.If you can provide me a sample program it might help. THANKS...:smileyhappy: [/INST] Try to start from Reference Manual, chapter 13. There are also some technotes with examples and basic setup, like Aid 40236... just you need a TechConnect Authorization number to access. Hope this helps, - fuzzy logic THANKS MR. FUZZY_LOGIC...:smileyhappy: \n </s>

<s>[INST] ml1400/panelview plus comm problem I'm having problems trying to get a panelview 600 to communicate with amicrologix 1400 l32BXBA. I can run my application using the Test Applicationbutton in Factorytalk view studio ME, but when I download the mer file to the panelviewI get the error Problem writing value '0' to item ::[ml1400]b3_0_0The panelview, PLC, and laptop are connected thru an Ethernet switch. Not surewhat to try next. [/INST] Within RSLinx Enterprise>Communication Setup - The design [local]” is correct because it works in development mode (test app.) but have you configured / checked the run time [target] is set up correctly? The laptop & PLC ip config must be right for it to work in test mode, is the PVP ip set up correctly i.e. ip range, subnet etc? Have you ticked replace comms when downloading to up date your comms config. Try a reboot of the panel & make sure replace comms is selected on the PVP set up screens. Once you get through the teething bugs with comms set up it's fairly reliable. Good luck! Yes, the replace RSLinx Ent. comm is checked. I am using the following IP addresses: laptop...192.168.1.200 Micro....192.168.1.201 PVP......192.168.1.202 the subnet for all is 255.255.255.0 I left the gateway at 0.0.0.0 in the PVP From the laptop I can PING both the PVP and PLC It just seems that the pl1400 and PVP don't want to talk. Are there any settings in the ml1400 besides what was mentioned that I should look at? OK, IP stuff looks good. Is replace communications ticked in the transfer utility app. when you transfer the .mer file? Again is the runtime target correct, remake the shortcut when you click on it does the target highlight in gray? Long shot - I haven't used 1400 -> PVP before have you got the latest firmware in the PVP. Take a look at ID 57549 This is a very important document for comms between ML1400 and PVPIt talks about the last sentence from 69FIREBIRD in previous post. Thanks everyone for the help. Upgrading the PVP firmware did the trick \n </s>

<s>[INST] FTV SE Global Object Parameter Definitions Hi, Is there a way to open a display from a globalobject with global object definitions, and pass the definitions from the global object to global objects on the display that opens. I tried with a parameter file ( [/INST] TOBSK, may you better clarify which is your need, may be with an example or a screenshot ? :smileywink:I'm afraid but I can't well understand it... :smileysurprised: Thanks for cooperation... - fuzzy logic This is the global object with placeholder #1. Every time I use this object I define the placeholder value in Global Object Parameter Values. When I rightclick or touch this object I want to open the popup display below and forward same placeholder value to the global objects on the display. Something like #1=#1. This is the popup I want to call. The objects on the display has placeholders (#1) in the tagnames. Sorry, but I'm not able to paste in pictures??, so I just attached them. The small one is the first mentiod global object. Attaching file PIC_0029.JPG (1KB) Ok TOBSK, I will try to solve your issue... You might assign Global Object Parameter definition also to the Button to change display in the first Global Object (the small one in your picture). The Action for this Button should be the one indicated in the attached screenshot; then you will assign Parameter Values to this first Global Object when you use it, so that when you'll press this button you go to the selected Display, passing, for example, the value of #1 parameter to it. The Display you call (the big one in your picture) will contain other Global Objects for which you've not defined Parameter Values, but they will use what is passed from previous display by /T command. Hope it is clear... :smileysurprised: - fuzzy logic HiThanks a lot for your answer - just what I needed. :-) ok now how do I get this to work in ME Here the answer to the last question: http://forums.rockwellautomation.com/rockwell/board/message?board.id=FTStudio&message.id=1705#M1705 - fuzzy logic \n </s>

<s>[INST] Raplacement for 140-MN Circuit Breaker Due to 140-MN circuit breaker is obsolete, is 140M-C2E-C10 the suitable replacement for 140-MN-1000 and 140M-C2E-C25 for 140-MN-2500? If not, please recommend. [/INST] According to ID 55852 you are correct.These are the exact replacements for those circuit breakers. But when you replace, you have to replace the accessory because they are difference about accessory \n </s>

<s>[INST] Can't Delete ControlLogix Tag Hello, When I add an alias tag online to my ControlLogix PLC, (L61, v17.00), normally I can rename or delete the tag as long as a client (Wonderware, RSView, etc.) is not actively reading that tag name. Now, it seems that as soon as I add an aliased tag, I immediately cannot delete it. I get an error The tag is actively being read by one or more clients when I try to delete it. I also have seen the error Object cannot perform service in its current mode/state. In my case, I added a tag aliased to a digital input (boolean tag). There is no other tag referencing the same I/O point, although there are tags referencing other I/O points on the same card. We do have several HMI stations active, but none are referencing that tag name that I am trying to delete. I'm sure there is a simple answer, but I can't seem to figure it out. Thanks,MichaelXL Automation, Inc. [/INST] It seems evidently locked by one of your clients... did you try to stop data servers, or just close the applications ?Sometimes these softwares create OPC groups and keep them active also when unused... - fuzzy logic It seems strange that as soon as I add a tag, a client immediately accesses the tag so I cannot delete it. While I did shut down the OPC server application on the PC that I had RSLogix running, there are several other HMI clients running at the same time on other machines whose tag services I did not stop, that access the same PLC. So I assume that it is a client is indeed locking the tag. In the past, using RSLinx as my OPC server, I wouldn't have this problem deleting tags. However, I have recently switched to Wonderware's DASABCIP version 4. This particular tag server must have some tag read optimization algorithms that automatically read/lock all tags, including immediately detecting a change (addition) to the tag database and locking any newly added tags. I would love to get some verfication of this, but I expect that is the case. It's too bad (and I find this a fault of Wonderware, not AB) that I cannot delete tags online now without shutting down all of my HMIs (and therefore my 24/7 process). Michael \n </s>

<s>[INST] Activex Control Web Browser How do I to use the Activex Control Web Browser in RSView studio for the Panel View Plus 700, I'm using a Camera to generate a Html archive with images to be showed in Panel View. [/INST] Are you talking about the WebBrowser control found in technote 31315? Or do you mean the Microsoft Web Browser control? To my knowledge, the Microsoft Web Browser control can only be used in View SE because it requires VBA to set the URL: Private Sub Display_AnimationStart() Me.MicrosoftWebBrowser2.Navigate2 ( http://myfile.htm )End Sub You can't do this in View ME. If you ARE talking about the WebBrowser control found in technote 31315, can you elaborate on your problem a little? There is a sample app as part of the technote too (though I haven't loaded it). The first question I would have is whether you actually have a PVP CE 700 or a regular PVP 700? You must have the CE version. Otherwise it's pretty straightforward to use the ActiveX control. Just point the URL tag to a string tag in your processor and type the URL into string. Check out A112559830 (31315) in the knowledgebase. JHutch - Linkified for convenience. \n </s>