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[speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So I see all everybody's here, 'kay. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] And we can start meeting. [speaker003:] Okay [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] What's the agenda for this meeting? [speaker002:] The [disfmarker] I will uh present here agenda with with with with slides to you. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um as you can see here. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Perfect. [speaker002:] So first uh just to mention I will take notes uh of this meeting [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and uh I will try to work them out and give them to you. I've also made notes of the previous meeting and um I was about to send them you but [vocalsound] then uh I had to go to this uh meeting so you will get them too uh [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Next. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker004:] So y you are the secretary also. [speaker002:] Yes. Indeed. [speaker004:] Right? Okay. [speaker002:] Then I hope you all have uh worked out [vocalsound] some some uh [vocalsound] some some presentations about uh about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting. [speaker004:] Perfectly yeah yeah of course uh-huh. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] Um. W We will uh in a minute we will uh [vocalsound] start with them. Um, we will see in which order we will handle them of. Um then I will uh bring in some some some new requirements I I got uh from the uh account manager, I try to work them out, they were quite abstract, and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it. Uh Um about the functions [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] Well in this meeting we should really [vocalsound] try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] You mean the social target group who we wants to target? [speaker002:] Yes I mean well yes w who are we going to uh to well to sell this, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] Oh the customers, okay. [speaker002:] the customers, indeed yes. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Think that's that's important matter. [speaker001:] That's the big question yeah. [speaker002:] Uh. [vocalsound] So [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And then uh we will close this meeting uh and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch. Good. Um. Maybe um why uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations? [speaker001:] No, I don't. [speaker002:] You don't have presentation? [speaker001:] I wasn't. No. [speaker002:] Uh you want a table to to uh [speaker001:] I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything. [speaker002:] Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Well I've just been um presented with some research we've done in a small focus group so, a hundred people, just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control. Um. It's [disfmarker] probably can't email this to you, I've just got a web page with some data on it. Um basically it's saying that users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls. Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. Um. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. Um. Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot, so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television. Uh. Fifty percent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons, so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said? [speaker001:] I have an a web page yes. [speaker002:] Yes, mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh. Uh about this. [speaker001:] Yep. Yep, sure. Mm-hmm. So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control. Um, power and volume selection are only used a few times within this uh per hour. Um, channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um [vocalsound] and then there's things like channel settings, audio settings, which are only used very infrequently. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um. Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour, so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used. Um. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] An interesting thing that this report has brought up is that um fifty fifty percent of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room, [speaker002:] Yes yes, [speaker001:] so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be very useful to a lot of users. Um. [speaker002:] I have [vocalsound] that too [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Thirty four percent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control, they want something that's easier to use straight away, more intuitive perhaps. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Thirty four percent said it took too much time to learn to use a new one. Yep. [speaker004:] Okay too much time to learn. Okay. [speaker001:] Um. And thirty [disfmarker] twenty six percent said remote controls are bad for RSI. [speaker004:] Not enough [gap] [speaker001:] I don't know how we'd go about combating that. [speaker003:] [gap]. What do you mean there? [speaker001:] For RSI? Respet Repetitive strain injury. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] So. But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] They think that or do their doctor the doctor says? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh? [speaker001:] Yeah. That's what the report says yeah. [speaker002:] So mm. [speaker001:] Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown [speaker004:] Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] on [disfmarker] Uh I should be able to actually, if I email it to you now. [speaker003:] You can disconnect it there [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You can maybe just just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] no? [speaker004:] Ah it's [vocalsound] it [speaker001:] Oh no, yeah. [speaker004:] okay it's a webpage on the C it's a file [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] okay. O otherwise you yeah. You can connect this one. [speaker001:] Um, s hang on. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] Then you can connect this one or this one yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] All to your computer. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well. [speaker004:] So these are important numbers that Matthew and I need to take into account for our functional um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Oh I need to muck around with this. It's probably easier if you put it on yours and then I'll just email it to you. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] It's just a web link. [speaker004:] Yeah [gap] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design. [speaker003:] Hmm. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] One thing it goes on to talk about, which is interesting, is the [disfmarker] hang on a minute. [speaker004:] Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yep. Um, one thing is interesting is talking about um speech recognition in a remote control. [speaker004:] Speech recognition in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful. [speaker002:] D do you have numbers o o on that? [speaker004:] Ah okay. [speaker001:] Yes, I'll just get this up. [speaker004:] So that we don't [disfmarker] Do we not need any button on the remote control [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well potentially yeah, um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] it would be all based on speech. Okay. [speaker001:] I think even for interesti [speaker004:] Interesting idea. [speaker001:] yeah I think that would not work so well. You wanna have both options. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Well it would it would be a solution for uh when your remote control is lost, I mean when it has speech recognition then uh i then it doesn't matter where it is, my [disfmarker] well it's [disfmarker] we should be in range, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] or maybe it can respond and produce sound, so say where it is. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But the these are all quite fancy features I'm not sure whether we will we can make this for [vocalsound] for twelve Euro fi and fifty cents [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Well it would be f [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No you can't. [speaker004:] And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is, maybe you know? [speaker003:] Oh. Well, [vocalsound] it depends you know like there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on, off, one, two, twenty three, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] But it's quite noisy if there is the TV uh shouting. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's it's going to be li [speaker002:] Yes, that that that that's mm. [speaker003:] it's not going to be s so easy but u usually it's going to be more of an isolated case [speaker002:] Do you have some more important facts [speaker003:] but it's [disfmarker] but I don't know with twenty fi [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] or can we go to the next presentation? [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So you had to to to summarise maybe the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] This is now talking about um who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control, who would pay more for it, um. Ninety percent of the fifteen to twenty five year old market said that they would pay more, it goes down from there, seventy six percent for twenty five to thirty five, thirty five percent for thirty five to forty five, um twenty two percent for forty five to fifty five and then eight percent for fifty five to sixty five. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Okay it's uh decline. Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Decline with age, mm. [speaker001:] But we sh Yeah, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it really depends where we're gonna be targeting this product, um, [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] which we'll be talking about later I think. [speaker002:] Yes. We will talk about it later. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Did you get the email? [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yep, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] that one. Just follow that link. [speaker004:] [gap] I thi [vocalsound] You us [speaker001:] It'll be in a different window, yep. [speaker004:] yeah yeah. [speaker001:] That's [disfmarker] left [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that one. Yep. [speaker004:] Okay perfect.... [speaker001:] Mm. So that's the figure that I was just talking about there, with the different demographics. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Another thing it's talking about there is the LCD screen but there's no figures apparently on that. [speaker002:] Mm. Okay. [vocalsound] um [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker002:] Uh maybe uh Mael c c can you give uh uh your presentation uh? [speaker004:] Yeah. Mm I okay I stay [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh, this is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Now you can move I think yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I can move as far as [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, y y you can move, uh. [speaker004:] Maybe I take your chair? I [speaker002:] Yes. You can you can sa take my chair. [speaker004:] okay [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] It's a channel selection, a module [gap], this and this function, [speaker001:] Sorry? [speaker003:] go to the [gap]. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So I think as everybody knows uh I'm the uh Industrial Designer. And uh in this presentation uh this group presentation um [vocalsound] is gonna focus on the working design of the the remote control. Um I'd like first to give a quick a very simple introduction, how does it work, so that everybody knows even if you don't have a very uh technical background uh what is it because I think in the product it is important. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So basically um the basic function of a remote control is to send uh messages to another system that is fixed. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And so an energy source feeds an integrated circuit, the chip, that can compose messages, usually uh through a um infrared bit [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and uh the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the the messages, alright. So my method for um designing the yeah the work design uh yeah first [vocalsound] the the main point is that I would wish to to make a really functional product. I would prefer to have very functional um capabilities rather than fancy stuff that in fact is not used and doesn't work. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So for that yeah as it's important to take into account the user requirements from the Marketing uh Expert uh Anna [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and um w to to we should agree on what are the technical functions uh for this remote control and I show you the the working design. So um basically uh here is a really large view of what we want [vocalsound]. Uh we want an on off button, it can be uh [disfmarker] it's simple but it's it's important, and also uh [gap] the to both channels as well as other buttons that come after, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] right. So the components I quickly draw here, is that in this part you have the remote control the the sender and on the other part the receiver so that's [disfmarker] my method is um will be to well my aim would be to uh design the and choose the chips and the infrared um components to build the remote control right. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So of course we need energy sources and uh uh the receiver a a receiver. This is [vocalsound] very quick uh design, uh you stop me or interrupt me if uh you don't agree on it on that. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And um so what I have found and [vocalsound] after a lot of work actually I [vocalsound] I draw this I draw for you this uh schema [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] that can be maybe too technical for you but is very important for me you know. [speaker001:] You drew it a long time ago? [speaker002:] Is huh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] And uh that's it so I won't go into details about that [speaker001:] Ninety one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] overwhelming [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but uh these are my preferences to use uh that kind of components. [speaker002:] No. [vocalsound] And and why do you want these kind of component? [speaker004:] So. So [speaker002:] I mean, are they cheap, or are they uh reliable? What were your [disfmarker] [speaker004:] found and yeah th you have always a compromise with uh reliability and uh i if it's expensive, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] but uh this one was not this one also really uh reliable um so yeah that's it for the working design, uh I hope you get clearer view on uh what what a remote control is uh in terms of uh technical components [speaker002:] Yes. It it it's more clear now I think. [speaker004:] but maybe yeah [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But is it uh can you just buy it on the market and f plug it in or you want to ma [speaker004:] No no no no we we will uh [disfmarker] This is a preference but we can always change uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. What I w what I was thinking about uh the the the schema uh about uh the sender and the receiver, I mean can you can you get back to it? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah uh, the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not uh able to change it. [speaker004:] Of course yeah. [speaker002:] So we we must adapt to the to the receiver. I I suppose there is a standard uh way of communicating to televisions uh. [speaker004:] Yeah. We will use uh [vocalsound] infrared protocol uh using [vocalsound] yeah infrared and uh and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and but we what we can do is uh uh adapting [vocalsound] the the chips inside uh to the best uh chips and uh infrared bubbles. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Yes. Okay. [speaker004:] Um. Okay. [gap] [speaker002:] Thank you. [speaker003:] Well it to du it's just you had to change the frequencies. [speaker004:] The frequencies? Yeah yeah. Of course yeah [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] in the chip you have it [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But you should be careful, [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker003:] people are sometime becoming problem, like a guy has recently designed a remote uh uh uh which could switch off any other TVs [vocalsound], so basically [gap] through all the things. [speaker004:] That can control o other things. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Ah. [speaker003:] So maybe we should think of [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Of course yeah we should take that into account [speaker002:] Yeah yes [speaker001:] That's handy. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker002:] I I I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So if the b TV in the next apartment's really loud, you can just turn it off. [speaker004:] in the uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah so you can just go on the street and then switch off everyone's TV [vocalsound] and you can just walk away [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You don't have to be near the TV at all [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I I feel I I [speaker001:] I like that idea. [speaker002:] I think M Mael will will consider this uh th these things. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Maybe Maybe we can go to to your presentation uh Matthew. [speaker003:] Yeah so [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] I I I assume you were finished here. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Uh okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] So I can take I think mine now there. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay so voila. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm I can take mine it's okay, voila, mm so mm. Okay. [speaker002:] Oh. I [disfmarker] Uh, sorry? I know where it is. [speaker003:] It's on the desktop. [speaker002:] It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Technical function. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Like so. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well. So um I'm going to talk a little bit about the technical function so wha what actually it's about what is the user going to do, I think my last presented what is going inside, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yep. [speaker003:] so what's the user is going to see from the outside and how he is going to use it. So well the approach is that uh basically the idea is to send a message to the TV set, as Mael has pointed, and it will be decoded by the TV and usually we it is easier to have uh keys or buttons with which people can uh press and then um changing a button will basically uh change the message which is being sent to the TV [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and uh [vocalsound] um a and basically it sends an internal signal and decoded by the receiver. So p as um Anna has said that this ki people are interested in things which are you don't need to k press the keys, people are can have a speech recognition but this is uh s a question which will we have to see later. But in the present scenario is that you have certain keys [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and you press it like your mobile phone, and it sends a message to the TV. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And um so generally mm I don't have some figures sorry but um so there are two kinds of uh remote if you popularly in the household, actually so you have a standard TV remote where you have just a on, off button and play, uh volume change and uh keys for the number and more than one digit option. And if you see for example righ right now uh uh even the one uh on more than one digit option is for two digit channel which is like ninety nine, but [vocalsound] tomorrow you might have one fifty channels you know to browse or two hundred channels to browse who knows, but uh uh. Then there is uh [vocalsound] this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it doesn't have teletext option, it can without any, it's a very simple thing, um which which you can vouch [vocalsound]. And then you have uh what's the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and, but it then it has other options like stop uh and then you play the movie or uh or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so these are the standard uh commonly found remote controls in the uh market. And then [disfmarker] whi which is generally used by the people. And then [vocalsound] well personal preferences I would [disfmarker] uh basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where the [disfmarker] we could have both the uh the f a TV and the remote [disfmarker] video remote control because uh some of the keys in the video's remote control and the TV they could be integrated together so that uh we could um aim for the like in the f coming future um that type of uh applications with [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. How would that work? So you've got say maybe a VCR and a TV which are separate, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so you [disfmarker] on my one at home I've got a VCR remote which then changes the channel on the VCR [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and doesn't do anything on the TV, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so is it gonna be like a switch on the remote that says t use the TV or use the VCR? or does it know which one you want to use? [speaker003:] Um actually um you could you could think of um having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but um uh yo you you you still can't um in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the VCR option [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and you could play it or [disfmarker] You can also think about having like um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I in a few days you will be ha in in few ye coming years you might even have a system where you have a separate uh sitting setup box and uh you have uh um something like uh uh you do you do you [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] suppose you are not able to watch some programme and actually it downloading all the time for you [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker003:] and uh you can just you know uh when you come back you could just switch on that thing and uh watch a program. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] In that case you want to browse faster, browse slow, you want to have those kind of functionalities [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm mm mm mm mm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] These are kind of next generation [vocalsound] functionalities. [speaker003:] It's the next generation thing, but it is going to come in couple of years. [speaker002:] Mm yes, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] but I think it's i i it's already there, [speaker003:] It's goi [speaker002:] I mean the hard disk uh recorders uh I I've seen them in the shop. [speaker003:] Yeah it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] So it's going to record your things and you and you you need basically the functionalities what you need in both uh uh video as well as in the standard TV thing. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. That's fair enough. Mm. But I don't think we're trying to make a universal remote here. [speaker003:] No no we are not making a universal remote, [speaker001:] That's, yeah. [speaker003:] we are just looking at uh giving a scenario, I have a TV and tomorrow I am going to have set up box [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] which is going to sit there and uh it's going to do that job for me. [speaker001:] Mm. Because y [speaker002:] W w w w we need to decide on on on on in how far we go to in this. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mean, you can go [vocalsound] pretty far I f I think with with with functions and possible uh future p uh prospects [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. Yep. [speaker002:] yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. So [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But it's good to keep in mind. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Okay so that p ends my presentation. [speaker002:] Mm. Very well. [speaker003:] Well. So we can always discuss about it for example uh the presently the video market actually uh this demand, video over-demand or what we call it as, it's presently [vocalsound] booming up actually [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] so it i like people are providing like uh things like uh uh movies, you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and uh your p your provider gives a list of movies, and then you select those list. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And it basically you go off, it downloads the movie, it gives for you [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your TV. And thi this is going to come. [speaker002:] Good. [speaker004:] Or even you don't need to download it, it's streamed uh online uh yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time I want to watch the movie [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah so. [speaker002:] Um, so u um [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I have uh received some some some some well points of of thinking over of my account manager and uh I would like to share them with you. Um [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] first thing is uh teletext is a well known feature of televisions but it's it's getting used less and less. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's that's especially because of the internet of course. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So we should think about it um. Do we include it, and do we give it a prominent uh prominent uh place on on on the on well huh on the remote mot control itself. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Uh as uh a in any case it's it's not used, well very much, but it's it is still used. Um [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Um. [speaker002:] further yes we must think, uh do we stay uh to to television only, the television as we as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can't go back uh huh, or do we uh uh go further as Matthew indicated by supporting uh uh recording uh devices? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh indeed indeed. [speaker001:] So DVDs and VCRs? Mm. [speaker002:] And and and the hard disk recorders. Um, furthermore, uh, w we need really need to interest uh [vocalsound] y younger customers and then with younger customers I mean people uh below the age of forty, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and our our current customers are mainly forty plus uh which [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] well [speaker004:] Fourteen [speaker002:] [disfmarker] Forty. [speaker004:] or for O okay. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So that's to that's I mean there's a market but uh they will grow older [disfmarker] older and you'll al [vocalsound] always need to have the the future with younger people. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um therefore, [vocalsound] younger people like trendy [disfmarker] trendy designs, so that's w we should make our our our RC as trendy as possible but it should also be uh have a reliable image, so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all. Hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah it's uh well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys, you know right now if you take it you have like zero, one, two, three like a keys separately, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but suppose if you take the the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] you press on the top, it takes one number, you press on the bottom it takes another number, and uh basically uh uh so the space covered so that you don't see two separate keys there actually [speaker004:] [gap] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so it it is like uh um i i it is like uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Ma Maybe Maybe you can draw it on the on the board uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. But I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting, especially if we're going after a younger market, [speaker003:] Yeah so. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Hmm. Yes yes [speaker004:] Because they are already used to that, you know, product. [speaker002:] mo [speaker001:] that's the the the mm the new and the funky things, [speaker002:] Yes [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] that's, [speaker002:] it's recognisable [gap] [speaker001:] yeah, there's lot there's lots of pretty mobile phones, not too many pretty remote controls. [speaker002:] Mm mm. [speaker001:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And and they are skilled uh by using it. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] So for example uh [disfmarker] Well uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Okay, it works. Fine. So, for example you have uh presently uh keys like one, two, three like this, actually, and uh uh four five six like that and uh you can have keys like this in form like uh keys like that [speaker002:] Mael can you hand me over this uh? [speaker004:] Yes. [gap] [speaker002:] Uh thank you. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. How much longer have we got for the meeting by the way? [speaker002:] Mm well I think fi five min [speaker001:] 'Cause we haven't talked about demographic at all [speaker003:] Forty minutes? [speaker001:] and it's a very important issue. [speaker003:] Yeah so [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] you you you can have uh keys like uh which are which are like so. [vocalsound] too sorry, so we basically don't change the uh original order of them [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but then the keys are more spacious, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] they don't look uh [disfmarker] so there there is a very sligh thing, so if you press on the top it takes the one, it takes the three, uh four, sorry four here uh five and six, [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. [speaker003:] so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but it looks nice for you don't have too many keys [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] but you can have a lot of options t if you press on the to [speaker002:] Okay. 'Kay I I think now that the idea's clear. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Uh we should now uh try to decide um on our target group. [speaker001:] Yeah. Which I think is quite tricky. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, basically we're trying to get people to buy a remote control [vocalsound] [disfmarker] wouldn't they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Of course they have already one. So our our our remote control has to be better. [speaker001:] But it's not going to have more functionality, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] 'cause it's only a low market, it's a cheap-end remote control, we can't beat modern functionality, we might [disfmarker] we'll be able to [vocalsound] beat them on th the look of it, th the design of it but that's not a big seller, if they're not just going to buy a new remote control just 'cause it looks pretty, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] they have to actually need it as well. So I'm not sure how we can get people to buy this thing. [speaker002:] Mm. I [disfmarker] well I think [vocalsound] many people said uh in your in in your research uh uh uh the appearance of the uh RC is is important when they are buying one [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But why are they buying one in the first place? [speaker002:] Indeed. So that will be about functionality [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. But if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they'll buy a universal remote. I've got friends who've got so many things they need a universal remote, otherwise they're using five different remotes for their all their things. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker001:] In that case they wouldn't buy our product, because it doesn't give them what they need in terms of functionality. [speaker002:] So your you think we should go for a more u universal high-performance [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, we can't, with the price range. We We're not building a universal remote, [speaker002:] What do [disfmarker] What do you think about [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we're not building a high end product. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker002:] What componen [speaker004:] we have yeah twelve point five Euros uh per uh per R s RC [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] and I think uh with this now you know that chips are very uh cheaps [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and uh we can include it in our control some new new features. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. And um [disfmarker] But yeah [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] yeah. If we're getting into universal remote territory, we're getting to LCD screens and things like that [speaker004:] that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] which would drive the cost up a lot. [speaker002:] I don't know. I don't know whether that's necessary. [speaker004:] Ye [speaker002:] Is the LCD screen [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't think LCD is not necessary [disfmarker] well, th for long term. [speaker001:] For universal remotes [disfmarker] If you [disfmarker] mm. [speaker002:] I think thi this could be this could be a market because uh universal remote controls uh tend to be uh quite expensive. [speaker001:] And quite complicated to use, [speaker002:] S so we can try to go in between, [speaker001:] yes. [speaker002:] and offer a product which is not as expensive and not as complicated [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Not as flexible maybe, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah, but s [speaker002:] but but still but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal uh uh RC [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Universal. [speaker002:] because it has more uh it it is in some kind universal. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But if we're going for the say fifteen to twenty five age group then not many of them would actually own TVs to use a remote control on. [speaker002:] Mm yes but w we're targeting I think on more on the on the twenty to forty group. [speaker001:] Okay. So they're [disfmarker] [speaker002:] People [disfmarker] yes. Who just have or already have a job and have the money but may not want to spend that much money on a on a universal universal control. [speaker001:] yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. I don't know really what the the price range for remote controls is. Are we gonna be at the very bottom of the price range, or are we kind of middle to bottom? I don't know. [speaker002:] Uh well [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think uh when we think it over I thi I think we are trying to offer the a kind of universal control for for less money. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So d Do you agree? [speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] Well I it's fine with me like the price as long as it is uh not too expensive. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah because we have to take into account that we are gonna b we are gonna sell uh four aro around four million [speaker003:] Uh and it d uh [disfmarker] Our provin [speaker004:] so when we speak about these numbers uh the price of a chip is [vocalsound] uh price of a chip is very cheap. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So I'm okay for designing um a ne uh less [vocalsound] yeah a a kind of universal uh RC yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. You think it's possible for the twelve Euro fifty? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. Um so then we we decide on on on going to this more universal kind of control. [speaker003:] Uh yeah, that's that's what we needed basically. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. Okay. [speaker003:] Uh that's needed right now. And uh basically you can look to the standards of other [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah that's needed, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] And if we want to get the market, we really need that. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. So I guess what I'd like from a universal remote is maybe choosing between three devices, being able to switch between them, there may be stereo, VCR and TV. [speaker003:] Actu [speaker004:] Yes. Exactly. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And just be able to s use them all from the same remote, but not at the same time. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah you can also browse through all the standards you know, where are the limit of standards for all of them and you can just browse through them. [speaker004:] Is that okay for you? Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm mm mm mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] So given we are going for this uh uh universal type uh m [vocalsound] maybe it is good when you try to find out which components you therefore need and y you will try to get more specific uh user interface content [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] and uh maybe you can look on on what trends are in this uh in this type of market. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm yep. [speaker003:] Voila [vocalsound]. Hmm. [speaker002:] So [speaker003:] So. [speaker002:] anyone uh has a point to bring in [speaker003:] Well. [speaker002:] or shall we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh I don't have anything right now. [speaker002:] no. [speaker003:] We can we'll we'll go [speaker004:] Oh that's that's fine then. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] and we'll I'm sure we'll up something good [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] W [speaker003:] for the [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yes, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] we uh we can have lunch now. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So um [speaker003:] Yeah so we meet in [disfmarker] well [vocalsound] what are our [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Then th th the next meeting will uh after lunch you have uh we have uh thirty minutes of work and then we have the next meeting. But you will be informed via the computer. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Cool. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay [vocalsound] perfect. [speaker003:] So see you later.
[speaker003:] Okay. So, this is uh first meeting of this design project. Um and I um like to show you the agenda for the meeting, I don't know if it was sent round to all of you. [speaker004:] Mm, yeah. [speaker003:] Maybe not. [speaker004:] I didn't receive it yet [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Anyway, this is the the plan for today's meeting is um firstly just to introduce the project briefly, um although I'm sure you've actually got some of the information already. Then the main purpose is to [disfmarker] so that we get to know each other a little bit more. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um then we want to practice using some of the tools that we'll be using during the the course of the design project and the meetings, um specifically the whiteboard over there. Um then we need to go through the specifics of our project plan um and discuss [disfmarker] come up with some preliminary ideas about it. And then that's it. So we've got twenty five minutes to do that, that's until eleven twenty five. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] so sh [speaker003:] S so any any questions? Is i [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker004:] Not at this point. [speaker003:] [gap] not at this point. So this is our project. What we're aiming to do is to create a new remote control for a television. Um we want it to be something original, something trendy and also something user friendly, so it has to be quite intuitive that people are able to use this product. The method that we're going to use to complete the project, that has three components as such. There's the functional design of the the remote control. We're going [disfmarker] the way we'll do that I think is to to work individually initially and then come together for meetings to to work on that. Um similarly with the conceptual design, we'll start off by working individually with our own expertise on our own laptops and then we'll bring what we've done together. Um and then the detailed design will come after that. We'll pull it all together. [speaker001:] I'm a bit confused about uh what's the difference between the functional design and conceptual design? Uh i is it just uh more detail, uh as I understand it? [speaker003:] I think it [disfmarker] th w we're talking the the functional design is more your um area of things where you'll be [disfmarker] we want to look at what functions we need in the remote control and what what specific things it it has to do [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] but the conceptual design is um perhaps bigger than that [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] and includes the [disfmarker] how people are going to use it and and that kind of thing. [speaker001:] How how it will be done. So whe where do we identify the components of our uh product? Uh I think it's it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the [disfmarker] it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the components of our product? [speaker003:] Um I think we'll we'll start that initially with the functional design already but then [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [disfmarker] yeah. Okay, so that's just a brief overview of the p the the project itself. Um what I'd like us to do now is simultaneously introduce ourselves and start using some of the tools that we're using for [vocalsound] for the project, specifically the whiteboard. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] So each person in turn, I'd like us to go up to the whiteboard, the pen's just underneath it there and draw your favourite animal and then tell everyone what the f your favourite characteristics of that animal are and while you're doing that tell us your name, what your role is and perhaps how your animal relates to the role that you're taking in this project. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Why are you looking at me? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Would you like to go first? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Do I have a choice? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Ooh ooh, things falling everywhere. [speaker003:] Oh, yeah, [speaker002:] Right, okay. [speaker003:] p put them in pockets. [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker003:] You don't have to hurry, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] we've got plenty of time. [speaker002:] So, my name's Cat and I'm really not very good at this whole drawing malarkey [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's got no eyes. [speaker002:] Oh, good point. Ah, the eyes always ruin it. Right. Okay, what do [gap] it's eyes like? Okay, cool. Um this is a rabbit. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I thought it might be a cat. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah well origi uh at first I thought it was going to be cat. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, I don't think it's furry enough, so we'll make it a fluffy rabbit. [speaker004:] Yeah now I now I understand now, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah I can see by the ears. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, right, it's a fluffy rabbit, blue. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Rabbits don't come in blue but you know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um okay and I like it because it's small [vocalsound] and it's fluffy. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And one day you'll be able to getical genetically modify them and they will come in pink. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay? [speaker003:] Excellent, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and what's your what's your role within the team? [speaker002:] I am the um [disfmarker] I need my notebook, mm ooh [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] top banana. Thank you. Okay, cool, I am the Marketing Expert [vocalsound] um so like I'm gonna be doing the [disfmarker] apparently according to the little guy in the computer that knows everything [disfmarker] the user g requirements specification of the functional design, um trend watching in the conceptual design and product evad-valuation in the detailed design [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] um so yeah. [speaker003:] And more about yourself, [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] you're from? [speaker002:] Um I'm from Leicester, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] um second year. Um what else do you want to know? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I like sports [vocalsound] um yeah, aerobics, kickboxing, spinning [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] um [vocalsound] and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But not with rabbits. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] not with rabbits, no no. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] And vets, I like vets as well. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And yeah um and I like cocktails, especially pink ones. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Cool. [speaker002:] Okay? [speaker003:] Excellent, [speaker002:] Cool. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] to match the rabbit. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay. Um so my name is Maarika. Where's the pen? Okay. [speaker003:] There's a [disfmarker] an [disfmarker] if you have not enough room there's an eraser there and you can rub it off. [speaker004:] Yeah, well, or I can make it smaller. [vocalsound] Uh so um um I'm the Interface Designer in this project and my favourite animal, I m I mean I'm not so sure because I'm not so so very um [vocalsound] familiar with all kinds of animals, but I do like dogs. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, sorry, maybe I should have [disfmarker] shouldn't have said it beforehand but [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] mm [vocalsound] hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um well, there are different kinds of dogs, but okay um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's not bad at all. [speaker003:] Ah it looks like a dog. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yep. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Is a bit more impressive than my rabbit. I think it needs four legs if it's gonna walk though. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, maybe it has some colourful patches, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] the other legs are on the other side. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um yeah and I do like dogs because they are good friends to people and they are loyal. Mm, well that's compared to some other animals like cats. Um they're really much more fun because they are not so independent. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um yeah maybe maybe the fact that they protect their home as well, yeah. Um what it has to do with with my role in the project is hard to say. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh I hope to be loyal to the project and not to n not to um let people doing similar projects know the details of our project or something, [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And where where are you from? [speaker004:] I'm from Estonia uh, yep. [speaker003:] Estonia. [speaker004:] Um so is there anything else you'd like to know? Oh, right, my roles, [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] um so um in the different um [vocalsound] stages of the design, so at first I will be responsible for um for [vocalsound] yeah, designing the technical functions of the um [vocalsound] um of the remote control uh then in the in the conceptual design stage I need to um come up with uh interface concept and then in the last um stage I will be responsible for the int infa for the user interface design. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, that's it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Thank you. Okay [vocalsound] um [vocalsound] I'll do some [disfmarker] I'll rub the features [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and let the drawing stay. [vocalsound] 'Kay um my name is Gaurav. Um [vocalsound] my favourite animal [disfmarker] one of my favourite animals is a cow. I've got no idea how to draw a cow. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Good luck. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh this is going to be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] They're not just like a big round body and then some really skinny legs and then just some horns. [speaker001:] Yeah, that'll do. Okay, so let let me draw the body first. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Big, round body, really skinny legs [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and they've got a long tail [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and a long face. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's eating. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It looks like Eeyore. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And there is some grass there. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] So this is what I like about [vocalsound] cows [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Horns, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that they just keeps sitting there eating grass, [speaker002:] draw some horns. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] they do not disturb anybody um [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] they're kind of Buddhist in a way. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So yeah, I like cows. [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] my my role in the project is um uh the industrial designer, so I'm supposed to design all the details of of the product um ho how it works and whatever it'll mm take during the functional role, what are the various functions that have to be performed by it uh during the um conceptual design, what are the various components of it and um finally, I'm not too sure what was the last part. Um the detailed design, I I guess it will again be the identification of the components and how they integrate with each other. Um I'm from India. Uh I'm doing my PHD in Psycholinguistics, I sit at the Department of Psychology. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Excellent. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Thanks. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker003:] Right, now now it's my turn obviously. [vocalsound] Okay, here's a space. [speaker001:] That doesn't look like a cow, does it? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It looks very very cute. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, I like the cow. I'm Jen. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um I like dogs too, but I can't do that already because I can't draw a dog as well as you can. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I like [disfmarker] Mm. [speaker002:] Is that a lizard? [speaker001:] No way. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Wow. [speaker003:] It's a gecko. [speaker004:] Ah, a gecko, okay. [speaker001:] Ah okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Is there a difference? [speaker004:] Is [disfmarker] a ar are they also like lizards or are they [disfmarker] [speaker003:] They're [disfmarker] Yeah, they're [speaker004:] yeah, they are [speaker003:] l it's a kind of lizard. [speaker004:] [disfmarker] mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And I I like geckos because they remind me of warm places [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and, and where I was living in Cambodia they used to live in my house [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and they were on the ceiling and they would make little gecko noises in the evening. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I hope you don't like snakes, do you? [speaker003:] I don't like snakes. I come from Australia [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and we have nasty snakes. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] That's where I'm from, Australia. I'm from Melbourne and I'm your Project Manager for today and my role is basically to keep things going [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and make sure that you all work together in a productive way, so that by the end of the day we come up with a great product. [speaker004:] Wonderful. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So, let's see what's next in the PowerPoint presentation. So, I've just thought [disfmarker] [speaker002:] If you right click on it you can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah I've just thought about this that we could even put it much more professionally [vocalsound] as [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] there we go. Okay, so this is the um overall budget for our project. We've got [disfmarker] um we're planning to sell these remote controls for [disfmarker] let's make that go away, that means we've got five minutes. Um we're planning to sell the remote controls for twenty five Euros each. Um and with that we're aiming for a profit of fifty million Euros. And that's selling them on the international market, not just in the UK. Um so to do that our finance people estimate that we need production costs of maximum twelve and a half Euro so that we can reach that profit target. So that's something to keep in mind while you're designing. Okay. Hmm. This is [disfmarker] let me just skip ahead to see [disfmarker] that's the last thing, okay. We've only got a couple of minutes. Does anyone have any first ideas to bounce around about um what we're thinking of this remote control? [speaker004:] Yep. I'm just wondering whether whether there is like any special feature that we want to have [disfmarker] w want this remote control have as opposed to the already existing ones. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. I think that's probably something that w it's best if we take away with us, but if we all have a think, when we go away from the meeting, what specific things could be um included in this remote control that that [vocalsound] are out of the ordinary. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] I think uh i in the beginning uh one thing was [disfmarker] that was mentioned was that it should be mm trendy, user friendly and original so um I think your point is relevant as far as the originality is concerned, that we should provide some features that are quite unique to this. [speaker003:] Something something new. [speaker002:] Yeah, I was looking at the website, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] and the other things that they've made and I like put down some like inspirational words like that I got from looking at the pictures. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So the motto is um we put the fashion in electronics and um so it's something that is sleek and stylish but it's still functional, you know? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So I'm kind of thinking, you know like those phones that they have, the new generation ones, where they don't actually have any buttons on them and stuff like that. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker002:] You know, so something heading towards that, so it's not overly [disfmarker] I mean I don't know what h most of the buttons do on my remote controls, so I figure how many do you need, you know? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] So perhaps some sort of menu-based thing, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Something that's a little less crowded than this, like I mean you know, theoretically you can do all kinds of things with your TV, right? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker002:] But what do most people do? They turn it on, they watch certain specified channels, you know, and then they turn it off again. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] There is a lot of functionality in there that is not used ninety percent of the time, [speaker002:] Sometimes they play a movie. Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but will be used ten percent of the time, yeah. [speaker002:] so there's no need to have buttons on it to do that, [speaker003:] So, no. [speaker002:] maybe to do [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] It could be one button for a menu or something, if you really need to go and do that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And then use the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So, if you're the kind of sad case that knows how your remote control works, then you know that's fine [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] and you can do it on the screen rather than everybody else having to have those buttons, which just confuse them. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Excellent. [speaker002:] 'Cause like if you look at the train, it's just very like, there's no extra bits on it, the train on the website and I dunno if you can put it up on the thing [speaker003:] Oh I haven't had a look yet, yep. [speaker002:] um but it is just like a long like thing used for mu moving people, but it looks really pretty too. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Great. Any other immediate thoughts before we move along? [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] Uh we can aim for [disfmarker] I mean we can think about all these little things, but we can aim for something wi that gives a high battery life, although I don't think that um it's a huge problem for remote controls anyway, battery life, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] uh every now and then you need to replace the batteries. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah but uh I mean e even though it has to be re original we shouldn't uh go like too far away from from the usual ones, [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] because otherwise the new users will just have a lot of problems [speaker001:] Yeah. A big learning curve, yeah. [speaker004:] with l [vocalsound] learning, yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. So, i it should kind of fit in as well, and the stereotype of a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's like those fancy websites that you can't access [speaker004:] Hm-hmm. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] because you have no idea how to get in, but the designers thought they were great. Okay, so we need to wrap it up now, so that we can go away and get on with some of this. Um [vocalsound] we've got another meeting in thirty minutes, so you're [disfmarker] you'll be getting specific instructions once you go back to your workspace, but im basically you're looking at the working design, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker003:] you're looking at the technical functions design, and for you it's the user requirements specification, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] like you said at the start. Okay? [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Thanks for that. [speaker004:] Thank you. [speaker003:] Uh I'll see you in half an hour. [speaker001:] [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] See you. [speaker003:] Carry the laptops back again. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Do we need to unplug things? Probably.
[speaker002:] I'm sorry to be late. [speaker001:] Welcome back. Welcome back everybody. [speaker003:] Yeah. Thanks. [speaker001:] So this meeting agenda will be the detailed design meeting. And uh opening and uh PMs [gap] of the meet minutes, uh prototype presentation from uh Christine and uh Agnes. [speaker002:] Agnes, yes. [speaker001:] Yes and uh evaluation criteria. The finance, it's uh from my side, from the management, and uh production evaluation. Then uh closing. So we have forty minutes to discuss and uh finalise and close the product and project and to move further, okay, so [disfmarker] Okay, let's talk about uh maybe first uh for the prototype. [speaker003:] Mm, okay. [speaker001:] So I handle to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I've done a presentation, but it pretty much covers work that we've both done, so if I'm missing anything, Christine can just correct me. [speaker001:] So shall I go to [speaker002:] Uh thank you, [speaker001:] [disfmarker] sorry. [speaker002:] so you did a PowerPoint presentation, good for you. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yep. S Okay, let's go to AMI. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's not the biggest PowerPoint presentation in the world, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So in two or three or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Three. Um. [vocalsound] No it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Probably. Technical pa I would think. [speaker003:] think it's the last one. No, then this is [vocalsound] the la yeah, that one, final design. [speaker004:] Ha. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It is named appropriately, you just couldn't see the name. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um okay, can I have the mouse? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Thanks. Alright, so from [disfmarker] when we were discussing specifying the case in the last meeting, we decided that we wanted an ergonomic shape, the material that we chose was wood, and uh the colour would be customisable, 'cause you can stain the wood whatever colour. Um, so in terms of function, you have to be able to turn the TV on and off, volume and channel control, menu control, voice recognition control, and we've incorporated the LCD screen on the flip panel as part of the design, if we figure out it's too expensive, well then you just take it off. [vocalsound] Um, so [vocalsound] to unveil our lovely product. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] This is our remote control, with the flip panel as you can see. So if you lift up the panel, you can see the lovely yellow LCD display. [vocalsound] Um, this is actually hard to do. The yellow button you have is the on off button, so it's really big, hard to miss. You have the the red um triangles are the toggles for changing the volume. So up [disfmarker] volume up, down [disfmarker] volume down. The green are the channel changing. [vocalsound] S And it's one of those very light, very touchable displays. And then you have the numeric pad in the dark blue at the bottom, and on the right-hand side you have the access to the menu on the TV, and on the left-hand side you have the the the ability to turn off the voice recognition. So this is pretty much what we had on the white board the last time. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So. [speaker002:] Um and uh I could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh yes. [speaker002:] Yeah the d [speaker003:] Additional feature on the back is that you can have your own customised backing and I suppose you could do the same thing on the flip case on the front. So that you can really make this a highly highly customisable remote control. [speaker002:] We haven't um uh specified where the speaker or the microphone will be placed. That depends on the uh s design of the circuit board inside and uh what room is left um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think the microphone is on on the top, uh on the middle, the [disfmarker] under the flip. [speaker002:] Yes, okay. Uh-huh. [speaker001:] So that will be the safe, so p any [disfmarker] the chip [disfmarker] it's not on the chip because you need to have microphone [gap] to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, I mean it depends on the design of the circuit board. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] But it shouldn't be under the flip either, because you can have the remote control closed, but you still might want to activate it by voice. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh it's it's [disfmarker] Yeah, but uh uh my opinion I think it's better under the flip because whenever you want to uh the talk, okay, so then you can speak then you can close it. But if you put it on the on the flip, okay, then uh technical I don't think it's uh feasible, 'cause most of the time you speak then it will be recognised. [speaker003:] But if you've already got the remote control in your hand you need to open the flip to use the voice, why use the voice, why not just use your hand? I mean the whole point of the voice is that if the remote control is sitting there and I'm too lazy to reach over and pick it up, I can just use my voice. [speaker002:] Maybe I've got my hand in the popcorn bowl and I'm holding my cup of Coca-Cola in the other hand. [speaker003:] Yeah. And you don't wanna let go of either one. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I don't wanna say. Louder. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I mean it doesn't have to be on the flip, it can be on the side somewhere. [speaker004:] Can also be on the side. [speaker001:] Yeah, the sides maybe is good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So, I mean I can pass this around if anyone wants to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. So it's maybe good idea. [speaker002:] Yeah, y better you pass it around with a napkin. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, because y you can easily put a microphone on the side that would have no problem would haven't been [disfmarker] not be damaged or anything, and it'd be accessible all the time to voice. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Yeah, exactly. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So it's maybe good idea. S s [speaker002:] It's um [disfmarker] It's um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Compliments to the artist. [speaker002:] You need to work on the weight a little bit. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] Uh [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Okay. S [vocalsound] I'm fine, I'm satisfi [speaker003:] And maybe the shape of the buttons, the little egg shapes aren't the most economical, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'm satisfied. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We're glad you're satisfied. [speaker001:] Of course it's it's it's looks more heo heavy, but I think when it's completely [gap] maybe it's a less weight. [speaker003:] Yeah. I mean this is plasticene. There's only so much you can do. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] We could have possibly made it a lot thinner as well. [vocalsound] But [disfmarker] And part of the thing is m a lot of people say that they don't like something that's too light, because they don't feel like they have enough control over it. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So I mean maybe this is excessively heavy, but I think it needs to have some weight, it needs to feel like you're still holding something. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So that's pretty much it for our presentation actually. [speaker001:] That's your uh prototype model? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, that's good, thank you very much. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So any comments or uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well, the prototype is is very well within the design and ideas that we've we've talked about on the previous meetings. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Now it goes into this next phase as the financial uh marketing uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yes, that uh [disfmarker] So I'll come back to the [disfmarker] [gap] So evaluation criteria, I think uh that will be good, so then let's come to the finance uh, I have some uh calculations which I made uh as for uh the budget. So here you can uh look like uh the energy [gap] and uh [gap] dynamo and uh kinetic and solar cells. Uh it's optional, somewhat optional and Ed wants the chip on print, that's what uh we were talking about that. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So then we have sample sensor and sample speaker, then uh we have the wood material, then special colour and push button. So it's uh [disfmarker] actually, our budget was uh twelve point five Euro, but uh it's coming to nine point nine five Euro, so we are under uh [disfmarker] below the budget, okay, so still we are saving some money. I think it's a good figure. [speaker002:] Yes, great [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] I'm surprised. [vocalsound] Congratulations. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Than thank you. [speaker004:] Well we haven't come to mine yet, so [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, okay [speaker004:] we're gonna have a bit of difference of opinion, yes. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's gonna cost a long way to c you know, cost a lot of money to market it, is it? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So maybe it's [disfmarker] for some money we can utilise for our uh marketing, for the sales, okay, and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well, it just depends on if we're gonna add a [vocalsound] o on this pr provisionary cost analysis, we do not have a LC display. LC display is gonna be very expensive, [speaker003:] No we do, but it's not filled in. [speaker004:] it's gonna be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's number thirty. [speaker004:] It's not [disfmarker] it doesn't say. [speaker001:] It's not. [speaker002:] Thirty. [speaker004:] We don't have the price up there, [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right, sorry, yes. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] okay, so if we add approximately two to three Euro per remote, now we're up around about twelve, twelve and a half as to what uh the company had initially uh requested. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. So that means we can put the uh [disfmarker] the LCD in, yeah. [speaker004:] Display in. But as far as production um I'm putting up a question because we're talking about profit also, and in mine you'll see uh [vocalsound] the problem with uh our survey, the p the possibility that how many units can be sold, what percentage of the market, etcetera etcetera because that [gap] has to be taken in into consideration. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh this is just production cost, it is not uh advertising cost, it's not transportation cost uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes, so still uh we have twelve point five Euro. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And that will inflate quite a bit the cost of the uh [disfmarker] the cost of the unit for the company. [speaker001:] Yes. [gap] Yeah, but [disfmarker] Yes. Yep. [speaker003:] Um-hmm. [speaker004:] So to come up with what the company wants is a fifty million Pound profit, we're gonna have to go a long ways. [speaker001:] Yes. This we are talking about one unit, okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker001:] so when it go into the quantity, okay, and the cost will come down. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Although customisation, because this is being done, you know, the on [disfmarker] on-order basis, it might be uh the the quantity won't m won't uh [speaker004:] Slightly. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It's gonna be very hard to reduce. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] the circuit board will b you're right, would be in producing quantity, but the cost of the case would uh [vocalsound] be fixed at the [disfmarker] Uh you got some pretty cheap labour that can do this case for one Euro. [speaker004:] That's not bad. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's really [disfmarker] that's the cost of the material and lab wow, that's really outstanding. [speaker001:] Yep. Yeah. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] But anyhow, still we are under control, okay, so what uh I will do is I will try to negotiate with the vendors, okay, to get uh the production cost less, okay, so then we can save some money, okay, to put into th our marketing or uh you know the promotions, whatever, okay, so that uh I will look after. I will speak to the management and how to get uh you know some more uh cost down. [speaker004:] If we can go to to my display. And we'll come back to yours [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] just to give everybody an idea of the market. So now I'm gonna scare everybody out of this project. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] If I'm still here. [speaker001:] You're in four? [speaker004:] [gap] Yep The four gives me [disfmarker] it's gotta be uh TrendWatch. [speaker001:] TrendWatch. [speaker002:] Is this the same one you did before? [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] It shouldn't be if it's not [disfmarker] it's not the right one. [speaker003:] That's [disfmarker] no, I think it's the same one. [speaker004:] No, no we g no, that's the same one. You have to go back and find another one. Whatever name it popped up under. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh functional, try functional, [speaker003:] Functional. [speaker004:] it might not be it either, but we'll see. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It looks like it, there's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yep, that's it. [speaker003:] S Yeah. [speaker004:] So we'll go screen by screen. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Although [vocalsound] since uh we need to have some type of idea on a market uh we had independent study that says it [disfmarker] this this market has an availability to absorb eight mi eight million units per year. Okay? Our internal company evaluation puts it between eight to nine million which is approximately the same as the independent study. [speaker001:] Yep. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So if we continue, we'll look at the findings. Next screen. [vocalsound] Which means that uh if we have a target of two million would the company has to take twenty five percent of the market in the first year, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] which is actually a tremendous amount. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, no kidding. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No kidding, yeah. [speaker002:] Mayb maybe they already expected something. [speaker004:] So, if we put an inflated price of fifty Euro at a production cost that cannot exceed twenty-five Euro, okay, we're already in that that price, okay, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] with transport, promotion, labour, because we hav [gap] gi included the promotion in the cost, transport for the material to the stores or whatever how however we're gonna break this down between our our retailers. [speaker003:] Um-hmm. [speaker004:] Twenty-five percent of the market to get to two million units. At two million units, we have to have a profit of twenty-five Euro per unit to get to the fifty million unit Eu Euro profit. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yep. [speaker004:] Okay? So, obviously we w w I just did a run down the evaluation of the form, the fan uh the fancy stylishness of the [disfmarker] of the unit, the ease of use, speech recognition, cost, we've gone through these. Now, the company must evaluate the feasibility of being able to take enough of the market to justify in production. Or we project this over two years, but being that the market changes very very quickly, maybe there's no more interest in buying this thing in eighteen months from now. [speaker001:] Yes. Yep. [speaker004:] So, now we have to come up with a decision. [speaker001:] Of course. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Can the company sell two million units? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Can it sell it for fifty Euros? [speaker002:] Could could I go to findings? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Uh uh um I would uh like to explore the possibility of using um alternative um delivery and sales channel which would be um to use the internet for promotion and ordering [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I was thinking the same thing, yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] and then to drop-ship the p product to the customer's residence. [speaker003:] Directly. [speaker002:] That way you have no storage, you have no um [disfmarker] you do have transportation, still have the labour cost, [speaker003:] Um-hmm. [speaker002:] but you don't have the transport to the uh point of sale. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The point of sale is online. [speaker001:] To the agents. [speaker003:] Yeah. You can do a shipping centre somewhere, or strategically place shipping centres to minimise distance costs. [speaker002:] Right, like Amazon. In fact, we should sell through Amazon, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] don't you think? [speaker001:] Or eBay, or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Or eBay, yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] There's an idea. Going with um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, that's a good idea. To impro more profit and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] S Upscale technology. [speaker001:] Yeah, yes. [speaker002:] Ah, we we're do you know, selling a unique product uh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well. [speaker003:] That actually makes more sense if we're gonna make it so highly customisable, 'cause on the web people can look at the different options they have, see maybe what other people have done, what the range of possibility as, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] There are several companies that have gone that way. [speaker003:] whereas if you're in a store, you can't [disfmarker] unless you're a highly imaginative person, you may not really know what it is you want, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] whereas on the web, if you have a bunch of pictures, it can sort of trigger ideas and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. And you can even have an [disfmarker] a movie that you can rotate the object and look at the di [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] the only thing that you're missing really is the weight. [speaker003:] The weight and feel. [speaker004:] Weight, the feel of the product, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We're getting used to that. It's not quite like trying on a shoe, but people are getting used to buying things online that they can't touch before buying. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] There are several that have gone through with the watches, too. You can customise a watch, you can see how it is at the f at the end of the production, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] you can change it uh [disfmarker] There's a lot of online that's [disfmarker] that is doing this now. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] And when you're rotating, you'll look behind and look this way uh [disfmarker] it's possible to do with this, maybe there's a possibility of selling more than two million units in one year, which could [vocalsound] you know, feasibili feasibility uh lower the price of the unit. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] We can. [speaker002:] Great. [speaker001:] I don't think that's uh not possible, it's uh [disfmarker] okay then, l uh let's wait for the production, okay, then uh you can evaluate the product, so how it looks like technically and uh how it look like uh the real. [speaker003:] What turnaround time do we have? [speaker001:] T [speaker003:] 'Cause I mean production evaluation can be very very quick or very very long. [speaker001:] Oh but [disfmarker] Yes it's it's very quick, of course. It will uh come back in two weeks, okay, it will be ready in two weeks. [speaker002:] Works for me. [speaker001:] For evaluation, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Prototypes, you mean. [speaker001:] Yes, the prototype uh [disfmarker] prototype product evaluation. [speaker002:] In um [disfmarker] We probably should do some market tests uh once we have the prototypes and do some orders and things like that and test-market it. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Well, obviously. [speaker001:] Yes. Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm that'd have to be thrown out on the market for people to get an idea, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] to see [disfmarker] get get their [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So you can take a minimum two weeks to a maximum four weeks. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Think minimum two weeks if we're gonna develop prototypes and then try to take them to different places and see how people use [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] it's not a trivial task. [speaker001:] Yeah, because we we are not going to do it in uh our factory, okay, so we can give it a product evalua [speaker003:] No no. We definitely shouldn't do it in our factory. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes, yes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So we'll do it in the other place, and I don't think it's take more than four weeks time. Or uh [disfmarker] Okay, so then the real production we will start once we product evaluation, okay, then uh it's approve from uh the technical team and uh your team, okay, uh from the management, then we can launch in the market. Hm? [speaker002:] Any outstanding [disfmarker] [vocalsound]? [speaker001:] S Any any other uh questions or uh comments to be discuss? [speaker002:] No, I'm [speaker003:] What ab [speaker004:] I think we pretty much covered everything. [speaker002:] [disfmarker] go ahead. [speaker001:] Okay, so then uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Did you have something? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well I was just wondering about if we're gonna do a product evaluation then what about time for redesign if the users come back and tell us no this is bad, this is bad, we want this done differently. [speaker001:] Okay uh, let's take like this. Let's proceed with this model, okay, for the for the marketing direction, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So no more changes will be made, okay, in this [disfmarker] the basic design. Okay? So we will introduce m this model and uh let's introduce in the market and let's take the feedback from the customers, then we can uh go for the [speaker002:] Second generation. [speaker001:] second generation. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. There's no end, there's not limit. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] The problem is there might not be a second generation if the first generation flops for some silly reason that we haven't thought of. [speaker001:] Every every custom [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, then it may not be. [speaker001:] Okay. Well, every customer, okay, they have their own ideas, they have their own test, okay, so there's no end, there's no limit. [speaker004:] Like people don't like wood. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, but there's a difference between releasing a product that has been minimally tested and fine-tuned to suit a general range of requirements versus releasing a product that we think will work but we don't really have anything to back it up. [speaker004:] [gap] very specific. [speaker001:] Yeah, so that's the reason you are here for uh the design, okay, I hope you made a good design. [speaker003:] Yes, but I'm not everybody. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I mean the whole point of user evaluation is to see what real people need. We have our own motivations in mind, we have our own ideas in mind, but that doesn't mean that that's what's gonna sell. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but uh see, we ought to take a few considerations, okay, one is the price consideration, one is future consideration, okay, like uh you can eat uh [disfmarker] you can all eat more chi I can eat more chilli, okay, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so i it's a depends on the individual taste, you know, so we have we have to balance somewhere. [speaker003:] Yeah, of course. I'm just trying to point out that I think that your evaluation and redesign turnaround time is too short [disfmarker] well you have no redesign [disfmarker] not you personally, but in the project we have no redesign time and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] Our project doesn't [disfmarker] um [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Ed, d do you know what season of the year or time of the year is the most important for TV remote control sales? [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Would it be the Christmas season by any chance? [speaker001:] The sports time. [speaker002:] Sports season. [speaker004:] Right before the Eur [vocalsound] the World Cup. [vocalsound] World soccer. World Cup soccer, [speaker002:] Which sport season? [speaker001:] Football. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] so [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] they need those things that they have their hands g occupied and they need to be able to talk to the con remote control. [speaker001:] Football. [speaker002:] maybe what [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So I think what we need to do is perhaps to synchronise the final [disfmarker] the the launch of a user-tested device with some [gap] special event. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's a good idea. [speaker002:] And and then um [disfmarker] so that gives us a little more time perhaps then we anticipated, because I don't know when the World Cup is, but I'm sure there's gonna be one. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Or any major sports. [speaker002:] Or another [gap] m major sports event. Probably not the um the football games coming up the end of January. I think that might be a little too aggressive um, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but, so, I'm just ig uh pointing out a uh a strategy to uh do some additional user testing [speaker001:] Research. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] pri and then to launch um at a a major sports event or uh perhaps to uh also [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's actually good place to advertise it too. [speaker002:] And to work with motion pictures. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] There might be some motion pictures that are coming out um [disfmarker] that are coming out on DVD that uh they need to have a m special remote control to work with it, so we could maybe work out a campaign with uh with Sony Pictures for example. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] Maybe some management has got uh relationships there we can leverage. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yes, the [disfmarker] that of course uh I will convince the management to do that, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's great. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's just something to to keep in mind, 'cause it's really really important. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Sure, sure, yes. [speaker003:] A lot of products have gone out there without being properly user-tested and completely flopped, when in fact it gets re-released a few years down the line with proper testing and it takes off like crazy. [speaker002:] Disposable diapers is an example of that in fact. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Really? [speaker002:] Yes, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That I didn't know. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it is one of the first consumer products that was launched about thirty years [disfmarker] that was a disposable consumer product, and uh people [disfmarker] the market hadn't really [vocalsound] gotten on to the concept that you could use something and then throw it away, 'cause it wasn't uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but then when they re-launched them thirty years later, they were virtually the same design, [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] but people had gotten the throw-away, you know, paper cups and napki y all kinds of things that they hadn't um [disfmarker] so, you're right, timing is very important, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but I think we've got a good product. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That's the reason Ed is here. I think he can promote the the brand value and the product value. [speaker002:] That's right. It's gonna be very important to the company. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. We are behind the scene and he is the front screen, so. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah, I'm the one who takes the heat. [speaker001:] He's on the big screen. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Exactly. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Good luck, Ed. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] If it's a flop, it's the marketer. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You look very relaxed, considering h you know, the uh the weight on your shoulders, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. Yes. Stress. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, so then uh let's come to the closing and uh are the costs within the budget [speaker004:] Celebration. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and uh is the product evaluated, okay, so that will uh come soon. Okay for uh [disfmarker] but our time being, so thanks for all your efforts and great work and uh great design and uh let's leave it to the Ed for later for once production is over and the meantime let's celebrate. So let's meet up uh this evening to hang up for some party. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Sounds good. [speaker001:] 'S good. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Very good. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Thank you. Nice working with you. [speaker004:] Thank you very much. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker003:] Thanks [speaker001:] Thank you again for all. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And see you in the evening for drinks. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Bye-bye. Yep, okay, see you later on. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Bye.
[speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Good morning everybody. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Good morning. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Good morning. [speaker004:] Good morning. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So, we are asked to to make uh uh a new remote control for television. And the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and trendy and of course user user friendly. So people can [gap] can use it without any any problem. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I don't know. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, I think we should set the the points to to drive the project and uh [speaker002:] Mm. B did you send us an email about this? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh, not yet, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but if you want [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, we we received an email about this uh d designs. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Do you want do you want me to send you a mail? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ah it's Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or you can put it in the shared folder. [speaker002:] Yeah, you see the email? You [gap] email. The v very [disfmarker] no, no the first one. [speaker004:] No, I didn't get it. [speaker002:] It's inside. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] This one. [speaker002:] No, no. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] The third one. Oh, you didn't get anything. [speaker004:] No, [gap]. [speaker002:] It's strange. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Mm. [vocalsound] I got an email about the dis about the discussion. Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap]. You get email, [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I dunno from who. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, from the account manager. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] From the account manager. You have received the same email, right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I think it's for your guys to [vocalsound] how to design it all the aspects so you need that information. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so. [speaker002:] Yeah, so each of us has a role to do. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker001:] S [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think [gap] assign your uh roles. [speaker002:] In each [disfmarker] We already have our role. [speaker001:] For each for each one. [speaker004:] For each person, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] 'Kay, we can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So there are [disfmarker] so we have three [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So there are three kinds of designs, that's all. [speaker001:] f yeah. We have functional design, conceptual design, and detail design. [speaker002:] Okay, alright. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, who will be the the responsible for the functional design? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Any any volunteer? [speaker003:] I think our uh responsibilities will be assigned when we [disfmarker] in our mail we received from the account manager. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Uh [speaker002:] I'm doing the interface. [speaker001:] You are doing th [speaker003:] No, I'm doing the interface. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Are you using the [disfmarker] you are doing the in [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah I I'm I'm [disfmarker] Well, maybe we have [disfmarker] okay so I [gap] industrial design. It was a little confusion about my uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Ah [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but it's alright. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, I'll for industrial design. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. And and you [disfmarker] Norman? [speaker002:] Mm? Um working on i. [vocalsound] User interface. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] User. [speaker001:] And [disfmarker] And [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh, I'm into marketing. [speaker001:] [gap] doing the marketing. [speaker004:] [gap] yeah nothing much in the project. [speaker001:] Nothing related here to the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Marketing in this design. A design is basically for industrial design and the user interface. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You see the second mail? Yeah, it's inside. Go down. Appendix. [speaker004:] Yeah, this is [gap]. [speaker002:] See there's a role for everybody. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right, first [gap]. [speaker002:] Even for the marketing. [speaker004:] [gap] us user define. [speaker001:] Next [gap]. [speaker002:] But look at your role, your marketing role. [speaker004:] There's a trend watching. [speaker001:] I don't know. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's your role. [speaker001:] I [gap]. [speaker003:] Well, I think we can have a little discussion about what has to be done and what are your ideas about the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] About the design or [disfmarker] Maybe we'll discuss this later, no? [speaker003:] Well, w we want to have a new re remote control for for TV distribution I guess. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So we have to [vocalsound] plan how how it would be developed and uh [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] how we can make it work [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] I mean working remotes we already have. This will be something different from the other remotes [disfmarker] remote controls. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I dunno I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What we we have to keep in mind the [disfmarker] these characteristics. And of course it should not be very costly. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well I I think that Norman and I would think about um the technical points and um we should discuss it in the next meeting, or [speaker002:] Need to collect information. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] About the [disfmarker] about what? [speaker002:] Um. [vocalsound] I I'm part of design, perhaps. Uh, what is most important in a [disfmarker] in a remote control? What is the most important function aspect? Uh. [speaker001:] You mean the external [gap] or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, you have to make it work. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah of g of course. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's alright. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's the [vocalsound] that's the big thing. [speaker002:] Yeah, it should be easy to work with. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] We can think about an interface with uh well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh. We [disfmarker] maybe you can have a speech uh recognition interface. You just tell the television I want [disfmarker] which channel. Or or you can say for example, um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I want uh to list all the programme tonight. [speaker001:] You won't [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Y you know [gap], instead of [gap] uh remote control it's doing the [disfmarker] some searching for you, so you don't have to look for the channel you want. Just say maybe I just want to press [disfmarker] I wanna have a button for all the movies tonight. Or a button for all the magazines, all the information [disfmarker] documentary tonight. And then you list a few, and I will choose from the list. So instead of pressing the channel number, I am choosing the programmes directly. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's one way of uh making it useful. [speaker001:] I I think if we include a lot of technology on the remote control it will be very costly. [speaker002:] No, because [disfmarker] no, it's not very [disfmarker] a lot. [speaker001:] S [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Th this information exists. For example you can get um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Like s uh you you you say we can use speech. [speaker002:] You can use uh [disfmarker] well for example [disfmarker] anything. [vocalsound] The [vocalsound] the idea of using speech to reduce the button, but uh and it's more natural. Yeah. [speaker003:] I [disfmarker] I think if you want t to choose uh from a list of programme or or something like that you you may have to to use uh w uh I dunno [speaker004:] I'm a [disfmarker] okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] I mean the main uh function of remote control is to have something in the hand and we should be very careful about the size of the remote control. [speaker001:] In the hand. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] If we are going to add a speech interface, I'm not sure with [gap] trendy slim size of the remote control it would be able to put a speech recog [speaker002:] Yeah. Yes, possible. [speaker004:] if you want to put a speech recognition system f interface for that I think the TV itself could have it. [speaker002:] Yeah. But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And I could talk to the TV [disfmarker] television itself. [speaker001:] Except if if you are far from the TV. [speaker004:] I need not have an [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean we have some [gap] or something, different technology but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] This is [vocalsound] it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. But th the main idea I wanted to s I wanted to say is that um [vocalsound] there should be a function, instead of choosing the ch TV channel, there's a option you can choose, either TV channels or or pr or the or the contain or the contents of the programme. [speaker003:] On the content. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah it's it's a good idea it's a good idea [speaker002:] So it's more powerful. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but I I think that technically it would be um a little bit uh uh more tricky to to achieve this than just to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. No. No, because you see now all the TV programmes are available on the webs. They they are [disfmarker] they are [disfmarker] they are available in XML format or whatever the format. We don't care. We just say that this are some content. We just want to retrieve the content and then classi sort them by the types of programmes. Some of the websites they already provide this service, [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] so we can just use the service available. Download it uh to the [disfmarker] to this remote control. And then there's [disfmarker] there are only six buttons for six categories, or sev seven. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] The most there are only seven buttons. So I just choose the category one and you reuse the same button, for example to to choose among the the sorted list the programme you want, so [vocalsound] you don't have to choose among hundred channels, if you have hundred channels, you just have six buttons, seven buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah we should also optimise the the number of buttons. [speaker003:] Well I I I I think that j just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to uh navigate uh through the [disfmarker] Well channel programme or contents or [disfmarker] in an easy way, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] This is [gap] good idea. [speaker002:] Yeah. Ah, yes. So [gap]. Yeah. Yeah, so you don't have to display here, just display on the TV screen, right? [speaker003:] Yeah in the dis display on the TV screen [speaker002:] Good idea [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] and just uh with the with your remote control would just navigate through the f [speaker002:] Okay. I think I think that will be revol revolutionary [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Because all the TV uh the the remote control have all numbers, lots of buttons and then you dunno what to choose in the end. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. So [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Alright. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think for for the technical points we have to to to check how to gather the data from programme or contents and all this stuff [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So we have five minutes to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Ah w w we have sometimes to use the white-board. [speaker001:] Ah you can y you can you can use it if you [disfmarker] so, can we [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Five minutes. [speaker004:] And another interesting idea for this would be to have an light adaptation system depending upon the picture of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] So, I mean, if you're watching a movie and suddenly there is a dark uh [vocalsound] some dark scene, the lights adapt themself. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] S [speaker004:] The lighting in the room changes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, but we are designing just remote control. [speaker001:] You [disfmarker] it [gap]. [speaker004:] I mean, we have a option in the remote control. If we want to have that option, you press that button in the remote. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Oh right so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, do you want to have a conceptual remote control there, or you just want to put the function in? [speaker001:] Yeah. If if you you you can if you want you can use th the [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Please, Norman, draw uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Go on, draw something [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, I'm afraid you forgot to put your lapel. [speaker002:] Mm. Where is it? [speaker004:] The lapel. [speaker001:] Or before the before the the design that says [gap]. [speaker002:] Ah, okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Where where is it? Here. [speaker004:] Yeah, that one. Just plug it. [speaker001:] Norman. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Be before before writing you can uh sit [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and that says [gap] what we what we said then after that you can you can use the [gap]. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, alright. So so the most functional des mm the most important function is to ch choo buttons to choose the content. Right? We agree on that, right? [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh, uh first one is to uh [vocalsound] buttons i or it could be anything with [gap] buttons. Uh to choose uh content s or channels. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker002:] So we have both. The user can choose w which one they want, right? [speaker003:] Yeah, by content or by channel, it's a good idea. [speaker002:] By content or by channel. Choose by contents or by channels. And then what did we say just now? Other than this. [speaker003:] And uh we we have to find a way how to gather information about the contents. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay, so technically how [disfmarker] the problems that [disfmarker] how to do it is to [disfmarker] how to get the content. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Challenge. [speaker003:] I think i it's not very difficult to to browse by channel but it's a little bit tricky to browse by contents so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Content. Okay, so these we have to work it out. So this one of the problem. And uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think that's the [gap] the things to do [speaker002:] The main thing. [speaker003:] and uh to uh reflect about it [speaker002:] Okay. Alright. [speaker003:] and uh discuss it in the next meeting. [speaker002:] Alright, okay. So we are [disfmarker] we'll discuss it [disfmarker] we will get some information in the next meeting, so for now we get uh the funct this is the functional designer [gap]? That's the first aspect. Right. We will [gap] get information and then we'll come back in. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Thank you everybody. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, we'll come. [speaker001:] So maybe we'll meet in maybe five minutes? And we'll discuss the other other aspects. [speaker002:] Alright. Alright, okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Thank you, [speaker001:] Okay. Well thank you all [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] mis [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] So welcome. The first kick-off meeting. What shall we do? First the opening, then the rest. What are we going to do. We m have to make a new remote control. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It has to be original, trendy and user-friendly. So we will get back th on that. First we have to make a functional design. After that we have to make a conceptual design, and then after that a detailed design. So we'll discuss that later. First we have a look at [gap]. So first to [disfmarker] we have to make a small painting. What have [disfmarker] do we have to do. First you can save the documents. We have to do that every time we make something. You can print it. No. And we have to use [vocalsound] the pen and the eraser. So [disfmarker] Now. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We all have to use this one. You have to make your own favourite animal. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So I'll make an example. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] First don't touch that things. [vocalsound] You can use the pen. And then you can make [vocalsound] um something. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Nice. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um you can change some things. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um format, line, and change it. [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] And you can change the colour. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] An elephant. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So that's it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] So and after it you have to save it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Now we can make a new one. You have to paint now. [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So you're next. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Well we will try. Where it going? [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Hmm. That's uh strange. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] What is going on? [speaker003:] [gap] pop-ups. [speaker001:] What are you [disfmarker] What? [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What is this, Pictionary. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh a bird. [speaker001:] Is a [disfmarker] It is a [disfmarker] It is a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Bird. [speaker001:] A duck. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] Now save? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. Hmm. [speaker004:] Now uh blank? [speaker001:] Blank, yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay next one. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Let's try this. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Whoo. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um. Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh not. Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. Yeah. No problem. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Shit happens. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I'm not getting anything uh on my screen now. Okay. [speaker003:] A parrot. Ish. [speaker004:] Wow. Oh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] He did it before. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No, no. Yeah. Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Nice. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker001:] Very good. [speaker002:] Uh blank. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Very good. So um you can always go back. [gap] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's it. So that was two. Now next. The budget. The b Uh we will sell the t at twenty five Euros. And we have only twenty of twelve and a half Euro to make it. So [vocalsound] now we have to think about what we will make. First I wanna hear from you. Uh what are your experiences with remote controls. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh I will start. [speaker001:] F first [gap]. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Big one, they are uh not easy to use. Um I have one set and uh a remote control, when I dropped it, uh it broke. So that won't be uh our goal, I think. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] And uh g big buttons, [vocalsound] m uh that's easier to use than uh [disfmarker] I think. Not all the small buttons, you don't know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is this positive or negative, that uh big buttons? [speaker003:] Big buttons, positive. [speaker001:] Positive. [speaker003:] All all small buttons like when you have uh like a hundred buttons on your remote control, you won't know what they're working for. [speaker001:] Okay. What are your experiences? [speaker002:] Uh well I think the the the goal of a remote control is that it's it it has an influence on the TV set. And that it controls the channels and the the volume. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] And uh I I I think it's positive if there's a a LED uh uh a LED on the corner of the of the remote. So that you know it s it still has batteries on it [disfmarker] in it. And that if you push the button the LED uh gives a light, and uh and you see that it's working. And uh yeah. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So and do they always have that? [speaker002:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] No no no. But I [disfmarker] my my experience is that it it it's convenient to have that. [speaker001:] It's easy to you. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. 'Kay. [speaker004:] Uh at home we have a TV, a video uh recorder, a DVD player, and a satellite receiver. We have uh four distinctive remote controls for that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Thank you. [speaker004:] That's not really ea easy. [speaker003:] Help also. [vocalsound] Thank you. [speaker004:] So it would be nice if we have one for all. And we also had a remote control for our radio set. But um i it it had a lot of buttons on it, and you didn't know which one was what. And it was uh uh v [vocalsound] not easy to use. So we n barely used it. [speaker001:] Okay so they have too much. So next. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] For our own remote control we have to think how do we make it. So what ideas do you have for it, for the new remote control? What what does it have to have? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] The weight. Not not too heavy. [speaker001:] Not too heavy. [speaker003:] Not much buttons. [speaker001:] Yes. Yeah. [speaker003:] Bust-free. That when you drop it, it won't break. Like uh some kind of rubber on it. Or hard uh hard plastic. Uh buttons not too small. Uh something like when you uh lose your uh remote control, sometimes it happen. Uh it between the couch and you can't find it. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] When you push a but a button on the TV, then you hear some [gap] [disfmarker] uh some sort of bleep. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Like a phone. [speaker003:] And then you uh, hey there there's remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, [speaker003:] Next. [speaker001:] that's [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah well that's [disfmarker] that are good ideas. Uh [disfmarker] Yeah well the LED on the corner, that that indicates that it's working. If you push a button. Um [disfmarker] Yeah. And looking on the budget, not too expensive uh material. So probably plastic or something. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah I think it uh [disfmarker] from a marketing point of view, it also has to look nice. Or you won't sell it. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] And um yeah uh on our website we can see what products we already have. And it should work with as many uh as possible of them. [speaker001:] Okay. This is [disfmarker] It has to be compatible with other things. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] I have one more idea. Just popped up. [speaker001:] Yes? [speaker003:] Uh it it won't take a lot of batteries. So you don't [disfmarker] won't have to change the batteries uh once a week or uh once every two weeks. [speaker001:] No battery use. So more ideas? [speaker002:] Mm no. [speaker001:] No okay. It's only the first ideas. So [vocalsound] uh what are we going to do now is [disfmarker] Next meeting is in half an h hour. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay. Next meeting, half an hour. Um, what you have to do. Well look on your [gap]. And [disfmarker] Next instructions you'll get in your email. So [disfmarker] This is the first meeting. See you later in half an hour. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Okay. Thank you. [speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Okay um, welcome to our detailed design meeting. I'm pretty excited. Let's start it's approximately fifteen forty or something like that. Okay um the agenda [disfmarker] we're gonna do an opening and then um I'll talk about the minutes from the last meeting, what we d discussed um, then we'll have the prototype presentation and a look at the evaluation criteria. We'll look at the finances and finally a [disfmarker] do a production evaluation and close. So, starting off with the um last [disfmarker] the last one, oh I don't have it here um, but we talked about energy, we're gonna use a kinetic battery um, we want to use a simple chip, because we're not gonna need a a shuffle um, we're gonna need a scroll um, we're choosing a latex case w in fruity colours that's curved and um we're using push buttons uh with a supplement of an on-screen menu. And it sounded like we had set um like eight or nine buttons, including five pre-set channels. Okay? Let's do the look and feel design presentation first. [speaker003:] Right, do you wanna start? [speaker002:] Right, well we made three different prototypes and I guess we'll start with with this one. Um we have our colours not [disfmarker] are not fixed, but this is the general shape. Um it's [disfmarker] you hold it sort of either like like this in your left hand or you switch it over and uh it's easily adaptable to either hand. You can push the buttons with your thumb like a mobile phone, or you can push them with your index finger of your other hand, or even [disfmarker] I mean there's a whole variety, you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger. Uh we have the on off button at the tip, very visible, very big. We have our up and down buttons, which are also gonna be our channel selectors, and we have our little menu button here. If you push [disfmarker] if you're just pushing these normally, they're the menu buttons, if [disfmarker] uh the volume buttons rather. If you press select once, they become channel changing buttons. If we press select three times, the menu with the other features and pro possibly also with your TV channel choices shows up, and you have your five presets down here. Um if people wanna grab hold of that, see how it feels in your hand. That's our number one prototype. Um do you wanna present the potato, [speaker001:] [gap] like a little lightning in it. [speaker002:] or shall I present the Martian? [speaker003:] Okay, um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The little lightning bolt in it, very cute. [speaker003:] What [disfmarker] We call that one the rhombus, [speaker004:] I could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] uh the rhombus. [speaker001:] The v the rhombus rhombus? [speaker002:] That's the rhombus, yep. [speaker003:] Um this one is known as the potato, uh it's [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it's a [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] how can I present it? It's an ergonomic shape, so it it fits in your hand nicely. Um it's designed to be used either in your left hand or or in your right hand. Um I've gone here just for just for four buttons on this one. Um the two blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume. So you've got volume up and volume down on the other side here. Um the red ones are for uh changing channels, channel up and channel down and that's um moves between your favourite channels that you've selected. Uh this middle button here brings up the on-screen menu and when you're working in the on-screen menu you use the other four buttons to navigate around the menu system and the middle button uh to select and that's basically it, that's the potato. [speaker001:] Um on, off? [speaker003:] Uh that would be one of your channels, basically, so like channel zero would be t to switch switch the machine off, [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah we turn it off. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker004:] Could the middle button of the on-screen menu function as a power button? [speaker003:] Um not really, [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] it would make it hard to turn the machine off, to turn your TV off. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] If you pressed and held it maybe. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah, that that'd be one way of doing it, yeah. That'd work, yeah. [speaker004:] If you like held it down, that would be on off. [speaker002:] Yeah. On off, that's a possibility, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear, either way. Um it's a bit different, just a little bit more of a creative feel. Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top. [vocalsound] We have the five preset seeds [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more three-dimensional, you have your channel changing, volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle. So, that's for your consideration as well, [speaker003:] Let's pass. [speaker002:] plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up. We figured it could stand up like this on your table, if you wanted it to, if I made the bot the bottom flat. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Sorry, what's the yellow one in the middle, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I forgot. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh the menu select button. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] Very interesting. [vocalsound] I think that one's my favourite. [speaker003:] So that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So that's our three prototypes. Um basically, in terms of making decisions, what we'd need to do is first of all decide on a form uh which of the three different shapes we want, then decide what kind of button layout we want, how many buttons, and then to choose what colours we want to make the buttons and if we wanna put any text on the device, like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] We were we were thinking that normally we'd go for fruity colours, but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man, for an example customer, might not want a fruity coloured remote, so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down, [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker002:] maybe with with less contrasts on it. Yeah, [speaker003:] Would [disfmarker] [speaker002:] something still a little bright to make it hard to lose, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but we don't want it to look like a kids' toy [gap]. [speaker002:] [gap] yeah. [speaker001:] Now that was one thing that we brought up over email. I don't know if you picked up your email, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but um the f the um feature that we considered for it not getting lost. [speaker002:] Right. Well we were we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive, that it [disfmarker] it's not just like another piece of technology around your house. It's gonna be somewhere that it can be seen. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So we're we're not thinking that it's gonna be as critical to have the loss [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But if it's like under covers or like in a couch you still can't see it. [speaker001:] It's really [disfmarker] Would it be very difficult to um just have an external device that like I dunno, you tape to your to your TV um that when you press it you ha a little light beep goes off? Do you think that would be conceptually possible? [speaker003:] I think it would be difficult technologically, [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] because if your if your remote's lost it's probably under the settee and in that case you can't you can't send an infrared sing signal to it to find it, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] s so it's [disfmarker] I'm not quite sure how it would work [speaker001:] That's true, mm 'kay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else. Uh I mean ho how many times do you really, seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it? [speaker002:] There might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip to make it make a noise or something, but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay, that's a fair evaluation. Getting lost. Um we [disfmarker] so we do we've decided not to worry about that for now. Okay 'cause [disfmarker] well, the designs are very bright, so you're right, they're gonna stick out, but um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality? Um. [speaker004:] I feel like this is simil [vocalsound] or it's sort of what already exists so if we're trying to think of something sort of like new and fun, even though this is like what you're init I'm initially drawn to, just 'cause it's like comfortable and like not different. I sort of like this one, like I I don't know why, it just it's like small but still sort of like cute looking, I dunno. But I also like the b the side buttons on that one, like I think that's kind of neat. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But I dunno how much any of this has to do with the fashionable, sort of cool looking thing that we also need to focus on [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Could we maybe have like an extra button on the top for on off? So then w we wouldn't have to have like a dual function? [speaker002:] Mm yeah, [speaker004:] Ah, [speaker003:] Yeah, it's possible, yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] that's good, that's good. [speaker004:] there we go. [speaker002:] Here, stick it on. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Put an extra the button on [gap] [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Sure. Um uh why don't we do a product evaluation using your criteria, if you've developed some? [speaker004:] Well do we w [vocalsound] like I think we're supposed to have one that we do it for. [speaker001:] Oh okay. Okay. [speaker004:] That was [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So where [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I was a little vague on what exactly I'm supposed to do, but let me [disfmarker] I have to like write something on the whiteboard, so. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Do you need this or just write on the white board? [speaker004:] No, I actually don't have like a PowerPointy thing, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] 'cause I think it would be redundant. [speaker002:] Right. Okay. [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker001:] It's kind of like uh like a joystick kind of thing, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ooh. [speaker001:] you know, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Cool. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] kinda push it [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Hey. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe a little smaller than that [gap]. [speaker002:] No, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I kinda like it. That's hard to miss. [speaker003:] It makes look more fruity as well. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh it does, it's kind of like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's like a deformed foot, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I dunno. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] There it could have a stem like that, 'cause I do l kind of like the stem. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Like [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. It almost helps you ge keep a grip too, 'cause it goes in between fingers [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Interesting. [speaker001:] I like this one. [speaker002:] Okay, is that where people are leaning then, the potato? [speaker001:] Variety of colours are nice. [speaker002:] I like the idea of the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think I'm leaning towards the potato. [speaker002:] I mean that's really gotten the simplicity of the buttons down, that one. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. I am worried about like um using a menu. Um in that [disfmarker] like i withing menus there are submenus, [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] and so how do you get back to the main menu? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well that [disfmarker] on the iPod, for example, you just [disfmarker] every time you wanna go back you hit the menu button again and it brings you back one level. [speaker001:] But that has a menu button separate from a select button, whereas if this one's both the menu and the select button? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Good point. [speaker003:] This is, it's [disfmarker] the up and down buttons are used for scrolling up and down for a list of choices. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] You find the choice that you want and you press uh you press the right button uh. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Could these be used for going to submenus [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, so they're used for going into and out of your submenus, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Maybe [disfmarker] [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] yeah, maybe it can be one of those, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] if you press down and hold for two seconds, then it brings you back one level or something. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, as long as we have that in mind as we're designing it still, mm 'kay. [speaker004:] Okay, so which one are we sort of roughly looking at to address whether or not it meets our s um necessities, the yellowy one is that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The potato? Are we leaning towards the potato? [speaker003:] Potato. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think so. [speaker004:] Okay, well we can obviously change it after we go through each different one. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] So basically what we need to do is some of the things that we've talked about before we need to make sure that that remote actually does conform to the things that we said it was going to. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] So what we sort of wanna do is that we each need to separately rank each of the following things and then I'll tabulate an average just to make sure that it does meet that. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] So we'll just go through them one at a time and we'll just go around and each of you can tell me on a scale of one to seven with one being really extremely true and seven being not true at all, or false, if the remote that we've created conforms to the following criteria. So we can do this one first. First we wanna know if it meets the fancy look and feel um objective. So like in my opinion the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] for now at least, the yellow one is probably somewhere in the middle so I'm gonna say it's like a three. That's just my opinion. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] What does [vocalsound] each of you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I I kind of think it's it's unique enough that I'd give it a one or a two. [speaker004:] Okay, well give it a number, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] sorry [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] I will give it a one. [speaker002:] Um I dunno if it's it's creative. I dunno if fancy is the word I would use. I dunno if any of them are fancy in [disfmarker] I'd say two, because c unique. [speaker004:] Okay. And two, [speaker003:] I'll go for two. [speaker004:] awesome. Alright, and same sort of scale for functionality, is it functional? I think it's extremely functional, I'm gonna give it a one. [speaker002:] Yeah, one. [speaker004:] One? [speaker003:] I think it's it's functional, it's also pretty basic, so I'll give it a two. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um functional. I think it'll get everything done, I think it might be a little confusing at first, um, I don't know if that's gonna be a later one. [speaker004:] Okay. Well there's some other ones, I will address that, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, then I'm gonna give it a two. [speaker004:] Awesome, okay. Um we wanna know next if it's technologically innovative. [speaker001:] Did you give a functional [gap]? [speaker004:] Yeah, she said it was one. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um is it technologically innovative? Mm. Not really, I mean not so much, 'cause we we don't have the LCD screen, we don't have fancy chip. Other than what it looks like, I dunno if it's really [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, the kinetic battery. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] In the battery, that's it. [speaker004:] I kinetic battery is a big one, so. [speaker002:] How many people would notice that, though? [speaker004:] Mm. But it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But they'll notice it after like a year, [speaker004:] but we know it's there. [speaker001:] they'll be like hey, I have never changed the battery. [speaker004:] And if it's made of like latex, that whole idea, that's pretty cool. [speaker001:] Mm. Just the material. [speaker004:] I'll give it a three. 'Cause it [disfmarker] we could've picked a lot of features that would've made it really [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. I I would say that it's [disfmarker] Yeah, like fancy versus creative it's it's different. But does that equal innovative? I dunno. I'll give it a three. [speaker004:] Alright. Everyone else? [speaker003:] I'd say it's technologically it's not it's not unique, I mean it's it's just [disfmarker] it is just pushbuttons um, so I I'd give it a four. [speaker001:] Think I'm gonna go with the four as well. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker001:] I really like that kinetic battery though. [speaker004:] Next, is it easy to use? Just so you know, easy to learn will be separate, [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] so don't overlap them. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] I think it's really easy to use. I'll give it a two. [speaker002:] Um I'll give it a one. Pretty hard to mess up. [speaker003:] I'll say one. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh let's say two. [speaker004:] Alright. Um we next wanna see if it has a spongy quality [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and [vocalsound] if indeed it's made of latex or rubber I [disfmarker] it's spongy all the way. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Give it a one. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I wonder if it bounces when you drop it. [speaker002:] Ooh, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] that you couldn't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it'd be harder to break, harder to lose. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Cause there would be less impact maybe, [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Iain, what do you give it? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah I'd I'd give it a one. [speaker004:] Alright and the next is, does it integrate some notion of fruits and vegetables [vocalsound]? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh um [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Well, is it gonna be yellow? [speaker002:] It it might be, 'cause that's our corporate colour, isn't it? [speaker001:] That's right, yeah, corporate colour, we didn't keep that in [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We might wanna keep it yellow. [speaker001:] um well if we [disfmarker] I know it would make it a little less c a little more confusing, but if we had all the buttons in black, and a design in [disfmarker] and the outside in yellow, that'd be our corporate one and we could also have alternative colours, one a more conservative one, one that's more fruity. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah, but if you had like a silvery kind of white or something. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um and can we have like an RR inscribed on the bottom or something? [speaker002:] If we had a yellow [disfmarker] Sure. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Oh, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] yeah. Alright, so [speaker001:] Fruity, so fruity. [speaker002:] So [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think it it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] it was inspired by the potato, so I think it's pretty fruity. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think i it's kind of mangoey too. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, mango [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mangoey is better, yeah. [speaker004:] I [disfmarker] okay, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] that that [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I'm giving it a one [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I like mangoes [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] the mango [gap] put me over. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] That's a much more trendy than a potato [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] What are [disfmarker] what's everyone's numbers? [speaker002:] one. [speaker003:] Uh two. [speaker001:] One. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright um, and does the design match the appropriate behaviour? Remember earlier we discussed that people don't use a lot of buttons, that they use the channel flipping and the volume the most. I think we really took that into account a lot, so I'm gonna give it a one. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah, me too. [speaker003:] Uh one. [speaker004:] Did you say one, Rose? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Okay um, also we talked earlier about RSI and wanting to prevent um any sort of like Carpal Tunnely kind of thing. Do we think that the latex sort of grip appropriately takes that into account? I think I'll give it a two, 'cause I almost feel like no matter what you do, something is gonna happen. [speaker001:] It's gonna be hard. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] And if it's repetitive movement it is gonna be only four buttons that you're constantly pushing, but um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um um worth the risk, I think. [speaker001:] I like how it fits in the hand though so I I'd go with a two. [speaker002:] Yeah. I'll I'll say two as well. Because older people that aren't used to like texting with the thumb might find it a bit at first, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah I'll I'll say two. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright, awesome. And the ease of learning it. I know you were saying that you're a little bit nervous about that, I dunno. It sort of reminds me of the iPod. I just got mine, I still haven't read the instruction book and I'm doing okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] and I'm not good at learning technology. So I'll give it a two. [speaker002:] The menu system and the the fact that multiple buttons are used for different things might be a bit confusing, but I think if it's one it's one of those things that it might take you five minutes to figure out, but you'll have it afterwards. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So I'd I think I'd give it a two I guess. [speaker003:] I think it it's probably a little harder then most remotes to learn, because you have to you have to use the menu system and you have to tell it what your favourite channels are and that could take a bit of learning at first, [speaker002:] Oh, good point. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but once you've, yeah once you'd learned how to use it, I think it is a lot easier. So I'd I'd give it a four. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] I think I'd give it a four too. It's a pretty high learning curve, it'll be easy once you've done it, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright, um also earlier we had something about losing it and so now we're not addressing that at all, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We we [disfmarker] I think we can kind of say we addressed it with colour, [speaker004:] Okay, so [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] in terms of not losing it, do you think that on a scale of one to seven, how easy or hard is it to lose? I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a four, 'cause I think that you can still [disfmarker] if it's in between somewhere where you can't see it, you're kind of not gonna find it, but anywhere else it's gonna stand out. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um I'd say I'd give it uh a three, I guess it depends on how tidy you are normally. [speaker001:] Mm I'd give it a four. [speaker003:] Um I'll give it a five 'cause i it would be easy to lose something like that, yeah. [speaker001:] Small too. [speaker004:] Alright, we also said simplicity, [vocalsound] how w how well does it address just being simple? [speaker002:] Simple to use or simple in design? Do you know? [speaker004:] I think overall, 'cause we had said before our two main things were simplicity and fashion, so those are the next two things we're gonna look at. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Separate from fancy, like that sort of thing. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] Um it like wants to be simple but it's not like totally totally simple, so I'm gonna give it a two. [speaker002:] I'm [gap] give it a three I guess. [speaker003:] I'll give it a two. [speaker001:] Three. [speaker004:] Alright, and fashionable? [speaker001:] It's totally fashionable. [speaker004:] It's hot, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'd give it a one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean it's a mango, come on. [speaker001:] Mango. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I mean how fashionable can you make a remote? I think it's bringing technology and fashion together real really well. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I dunno. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't think it's quite as fashionable as my robot remote [speaker001:] I do like uh the little Martian one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] or alien or whatever he was. [speaker004:] Yeah, the toggle on off switch, it's really appealing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Number. [speaker002:] Um two. [speaker003:] Three. [speaker001:] One. [speaker004:] And does it meet our like demographic need sort of for international appeal, that whole thing? Just that it would se serve our audience. I don't see why not. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. I think as long [disfmarker] if we offer in a [disfmarker] in at least three different colour arrangements. Um yeah, that's good. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So I'll give it a a two [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah, I'll say two. [speaker004:] Alright, did anyone have any other features that they think were important that we didn't talk about? [speaker001:] Well um we didn't we didn't address the fact that it does need to b have a corporate logo, so let's let's make sure we keep that in mind that we ha that one of our colours concepts is corporate and has an RR on it. [speaker002:] Shall we uh [disfmarker] Well I think all of them should have an RR. [speaker001:] All of them should have RR, yeah. [speaker004:] And so we're gonna do that, so it will address it, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] fine. Okay. That's me. [speaker001:] Lovely. Okay, now we're gonna look at finances. Um I have an Excel sheet that we're actually gonna calculate the cost um, so let me exit out of this first. Okay um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Whoa. [speaker002:] Oh my. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I know. Let me [gap] one more space. Gonna zoom in real quick. [gap] Okay. Hand dynamo. We're using kinetic battery, [speaker002:] Uh we're n using kinetic, yeah. [speaker001:] right? Um and we're having one per [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] One, okay. Um electronics. [speaker002:] Single. Simple, simple rather. [speaker001:] Simple. [speaker004:] Simple. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. Um the case. [speaker002:] Uh uh uh double-curved. [speaker003:] Guess it's double-curved. It is pretty curvy. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It's very curvy, so okay. [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah I never did get a picture of those so I don't really know. Our case material supplements [disfmarker] oops, we just skipped by them. [speaker004:] Well don't we need plastic, and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, we we [disfmarker] the plastic is the plastic for the inside is assumed. [speaker004:] Provided, okay. [speaker002:] The supplement is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The wood? [speaker002:] Oh, I guess it was rubber rather than latex. [speaker001:] I mean the rubber. [speaker004:] It was rubber and special colour, right? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm, okay. [speaker004:] Do we have more than one special colour? [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Uh well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we're using [disfmarker] we're gonna need at least two special colours. [speaker003:] Special colours, isn't it? [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] I don't know what the se the basic colour is though. [speaker004:] Per [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I dunno where it [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Well, but we know that we're having at least three colours, [speaker001:] So let's y say three. [speaker004:] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, are we talking about on each colour combination or are we, you know, we'll [disfmarker] like we'll have yellow and black. Is that two special colours? [speaker001:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker002:] Or or is white and black, then two more or [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That I thi I thought that would be under yours. [speaker002:] Uh. I guess it's three, [speaker001:] We'll just say three. [speaker002:] three three [gap]. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Maybe the RR will be in colour as well, so yeah. Interface, we're doing push buttons. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And how many buttons do we have? [speaker004:] We have six. [speaker003:] We've got five [gap]. [speaker004:] Oh [speaker002:] Six, with the power. [speaker004:] no, [speaker003:] Oh [gap] [speaker001:] Six. [speaker004:] five. [speaker003:] six. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Anything else? [speaker002:] No. Oh, we'll [disfmarker] do we wa Are the buttons in special colour, special f I didn't get information on [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh wait. [speaker001:] Oh, buttons [disfmarker] oh, so um. So the case material will just have one colour, right, but then the buttons will be in special colours? [speaker002:] Well, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] does it [disfmarker] but if we're making multiple varieties of [disfmarker] this is where I'm getting confused. [speaker001:] We're saying per unit. [speaker002:] [gap] per unit, okay, okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, per unit. [speaker001:] Okay, so each unit will only have one colour on their [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Alright, and each button s [speaker001:] but the case is [disfmarker] could have up to thr I mean the buttons could ea could be up to three colours, 'cause that how it's designed there. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I like it like that. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] Special form? They're all kind of just push button, [speaker002:] No, I think they're fine. [speaker001:] right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Special material? [speaker002:] Material, we want them rubber as well probably, yeah. [speaker001:] Uh. Oh do [disfmarker] I have to do it per button, do I? [speaker002:] No, I don't think so. I think they're [disfmarker] if they're all gonna be rubber then it [disfmarker] that's what it matters. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, 'cause it wouldn't make sense otherwise, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'cause for the whole mat case material it's only one. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It's [disfmarker] I mean it's two to make it rubber. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Oh wait, so maybe. [gap] [speaker001:] Thirteen point seven. [speaker002:] Oh oh. [speaker001:] Yeah, what can we reduce? [speaker002:] Okay, let's have our buttons all be one colour. [speaker004:] Mm, I kind of like the buttons. [speaker001:] Let's see what that would do. It's only gonna bring us down to thirteen point three anyway. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker001:] Okay um, [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker001:] are we sure this is double-curved? Maybe it's single-curved, [speaker002:] We have no idea. [speaker001:] we have no idea. [speaker002:] I dunno, I didn't get any pictures. [vocalsound] It's single curved. [speaker004:] It's single curved. [speaker002:] Why not? [speaker001:] Well it's not the [disfmarker] yeah. Okay, it's the kinetic battery that's kind of expensive, but we have a simple chip, single curve, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] case material is rubber and it's a special colour, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but that's important. [speaker002:] That is important. [speaker001:] Six buttons [disfmarker] we have to have six buttons. [speaker002:] How did it get more expensive, what did you just change? [speaker001:] What? [speaker002:] It was it was thirteen and now it's fifteen. [speaker001:] No, okay, maybe not. I don't know what just happened. Now it's twelve. [speaker004:] We [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What was our target price again? [speaker002:] Twelve point five. [speaker001:] Twelve point five. [speaker002:] Hey hey. [speaker003:] Twelve point five. So we're just just about there. [speaker001:] So we're okay, I think. [speaker002:] We're all set then. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Ish. [speaker001:] Okay, we're all set. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Um save. I saved that to our um our big shared folder, so you know. Um okay, back to agenda. [vocalsound] Um are the [disfmarker] are the costs under twelve fifty Euro? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah, they are. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Let's move on to the project evaluation. Project process. Satisfaction with for example the room for creativity, leadership, teamwork, the means, any new ideas found. So I guess what we're gonna talk about here is just evaluating how we created this project, the information we got on the news, how we used it, if we were able to um, you know, use our creativity with the information, um how how well I guess I led it, um the [disfmarker] how well we worked together as a team, um the digital pens, the whiteboard. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] I felt very creative. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think we've been successful [speaker002:] I enjoyed making the prototypes. [speaker003:] in that we've achieved almost all of the design goals that we've set [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and we've come up with a finished project and we just about got [gap] cost. [speaker002:] I think we could've done even better with a little bit more information, like what's a single-curved case, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] how many colours, what do colours count [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] things, but given given what we had I think that we did we did really well. Um I think we worked together pretty well. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I mean [vocalsound] if I'd had more market research on the [gap] fruits and vegetables, maybe we could've taken that into account. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah [gap]. [vocalsound] But the fruits and vegetables, they really [gap] my creativity, so. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I know, I really did, the the whole mango idea was great. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Do you think we could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No, I mean I thought the pen was a little distracting for me personally, like its heaviness, and like just being so conscious of like turning the pages, I dunno. That was a bit of a distraction. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That was the last one, like I chose not to do a PowerPoint 'cause I didn't think it made sense to, so I liked that I had the option to do that and just to take my own notes and that whole sort of thing. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think we all made um very significant contributions, I don't think anybody dominated it, which I thought was really good, like each of us was able to um like each of you had your information and I uh I tried to facilitate it without like taking over, um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I like our little finished products. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Can we market this as the mango remote? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] They're funny. [speaker001:] Really cute. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I kind of want one. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Should we have that somewhere on the packaging? I have a little RR. [speaker004:] I'm trying to think of a good pun that I could add there [gap]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I know, let's think of it like a little jingle. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] I like the RR, that's gonna be etched in. [speaker002:] Yes. Hopefully not with just my fingernail at some point but um it's quite a useful little gadget. All thanks to Iain for the design of that one. [speaker001:] [gap]. Okay um [speaker002:] Mm. What did we find for new ideas? [speaker001:] new ideas found? [speaker002:] People should really base their remotes on fruits and vegetables. [speaker001:] Definitely. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or or at least be c p creative enough to think of toggle switches mm [speaker002:] I I am really into the idea of kinetic batteries now after reading about them. [speaker001:] etcetera. Oh, I'm so excited. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] That was [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I didn't even know they existed. [speaker002:] I I knew you can get watches that had them, like really quite expensive watches that just never need a battery, 'cause you're always moving your wrist. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But in other things, I think it'd be really good. [speaker001:] I thi yeah, that's awesome. Um okay, closing. Are the costs within the budget? Is the project evaluated? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Now there's the final questionnaire and meeting summary. Um so, this is the great product kids, I think we've created something really interesting and that we have a market for it, um especially if we can produce it at twelve point three [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] which we hope um [disfmarker] yeah. Make sure in your questionnaire to put down criticisms of both the process and the um the final results and [disfmarker] [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, Real Reaction. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I do like the Martian remote. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] If we could choose more than one, that would be my second choice. [speaker004:] Oh, that would definitely be my second choice. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Although the tog toggle [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'm afraid I would [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That's cool. Let's all let's all go for the yellow [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I would break it. [vocalsound] I would break it. [speaker001:] It's cool. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It started because I wanted to have it as st as a stem [speaker001:] I think I would break it. [speaker003:] Break the stem off. [speaker002:] and then [vocalsound] [disfmarker] alright, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh that's funny [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Is [disfmarker] it started as a pear, but then it started looking more and more like a Martian when I put the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh [speaker004:] Kind of looks like a penguin, like [vocalsound] with no eye [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Take me to your leader. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah, it's kind of a penguin. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] I like that it stands up. [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker002:] Wow, maybe I should market it to some remote control company now. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So are are [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That was bound to happen [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh, sad. [speaker002:] poor little thing. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm 'kay, congratulations. Um. Anything else to say? [speaker004:] Nothing will come up until after our meeting's supposed to be over, [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] its all timed. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] Um anybody have [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I got more master classes, anybody else wanna like take a master's class? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's really funny that you got spam in your work emails. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but check it out. So like there are all these like links, they don't go anywhere. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But all that you need to keep in mind your [gap] knowledge management. Um just wanna make sure you do. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No the first one that you sent like I didn't realise that it was a joke [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and I was like why did she send this to us? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's very it's very work relevant, 'cause people send spam a lot. [speaker001:] It is. Yes definitely [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Let's see, [speaker001:] I'm very sad that I didn't get any links to the corporate website. [speaker004:] Oh [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] here you can you can view. [speaker002:] what did I get through the corporate website? It's just inspiration about circuit boards. [speaker004:] You can just see what's up. [speaker001:] Wow. [speaker004:] Yeah it's it's really deep. Hold on. Takes a little while to get excited to load. That [disfmarker] the Excel thing is pretty cool. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah, that is pretty neat. [speaker004:] Here, [speaker001:] I love Excel, [speaker004:] like, basically [speaker001:] it's one of my favourite programs. [speaker004:] it's like inspiration, basically I'm gonna give you two sentences on fashion and that kind of thing, see. You didn't miss out that much. [speaker001:] I see, mm. [speaker002:] Yeah, my inspiration from from last time is the in interior of a remote control being taken apart bit by bit, talking about circuit boards. [speaker001:] Spongy. [speaker002:] I learned a lot actually. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Oh wow. [speaker002:] I could probably take apart a remote control now if I really needed to. [speaker004:] This one was cooler. I got a whole table and everything. [speaker002:] Now I have all about circuits and chips and transponders and [disfmarker] I wrote it all down, because I thought it would be relevant, like all the different parts of the inside of a remote control, but then they're like, you don't actually need this [disfmarker] you just need to talk about the case. [speaker004:] That's like mine it was like, would you prefer an LCD screen or a multifunction remote control? And then it didn't have like any kind of table, like awesome, I'm glad they asked that question and didn't report the result [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] It's really interesting though. [speaker001:] I I thought it was a little tricky having to hand around this thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We had a lot of the um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think. Yeah. [speaker001:] otherwise the technology [gap] today was kinda cool. [speaker002:] That was really neat how I got emails [speaker003:] We didn't we didn't use the whiteboard that much. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. No. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] Although I don't see how we could have very l at least for me [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] yeah. If I'd gotten pictures of the different parts of the case, the different looks of the case, I would have probably drawn them up, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] 'Cause we weren't like voting on anything and I think usually, like whiteboards are good, you know like crossing out ideas, or like if we had had like a brainstorming period. [speaker002:] Yeah, we could've put our brainstorming stuff up there rather than just talking about it, but with only four people it doesn't really make sense. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But I thought we were good orally. Get crazy. [speaker002:] I think if you had a larger group [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And with and with the PowerPoint that we can all look at, like you can do all those things pretty much on PowerPoint [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] as that's not as necessary to have. [speaker004:] And these might've made us more willing to like take notes than to like write up them here, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] 'cause we all needed them separately, kind of on the whiteboards in this room. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Because we're all gonna be working in different places. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We [disfmarker] if we were all gonna stay in here all the time, then having the notes up on the whiteboard would've been alright, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but everyone needs their own, like specific notes, I guess. [speaker001:] Now when you were um creating your um prototypes here, did you work together or did you like do separate projects? [speaker003:] Uh we we worked together, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] um but we were making like we sort of made different shapes and then discussed how the how the buttons might work, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] um and how we could like improve on the on the design. [speaker002:] Yeah. So it was a bit of both really, we just kind of started out by each taking a colour of clay and just fooling around with it and I came up with that rhombus shape and he came up with the sort of potatoey, mangoey shape, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and then just went from there really. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker002:] It was fun. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] So well done with the management, I felt well managed. [speaker001:] Oh thanks. [speaker003:] I think we did well in first of all giving our meetings the time, [speaker001:] It's kinda fun. [speaker003:] and second we actually we we did a good job of making firm decisions at the ends of the meetings. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And I [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That happened to me all the time though. [speaker003:] I know what happens sometimes is that you tend to sort of have meetings and then people sorta drift away without anything actually really being decided. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But I think here we got we got clear and and decisive decisive points [gap] at the end of the meetings, so that we we knew where to go on from there. [speaker002:] Yeah, I was quite worried at the end of the last meeting that we weren't getting [disfmarker] we didn't really have enough information to make firm decisions, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but we were able to do it regardless, so. I'm not usually a very decisive person, so it helped to have people say this needs to be done in five minutes. [speaker001:] This is what we'll do. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I found that we did [disfmarker] we could have used another five or ten minutes sometimes in the meetings. [speaker003:] Yeah, for some of the meetings, yeah. [speaker002:] Especially last time, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah I think the last time we had a lot of information, but at the same time not quite enough, [speaker002:] Yeah, [gap] [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] you know what I mean, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] like we we couldn't answer every single question. [speaker002:] Yeah. Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And I I felt the first two meetings, that I was coming in with no information, and not sort of [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] made me really like, ooh I don't know [vocalsound], throwing together PowerPoint out of no no information and then last time it was like the opposite. I had so much information and so much to talk about. [speaker001:] It was interesting what came out like later, like as I was doing the [disfmarker] when I was doing the breakdown on the agenda that they gave me um, that more points came out from your presentation even. [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker001:] Um. I'm a little [disfmarker] I am a little disappointed that we didn't do a [disfmarker] um something for losing the remote, because that was kind of a big point. [speaker002:] Yeah. [gap] that was something like [disfmarker] in order to talk about that we would've had to have actual knowledge about circuit boards and [vocalsound] things like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] About [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Well the problem was, even when we just were creating from the Excel file, there wasn't like a option to select to somehow have it included, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so there was no [disfmarker] we could be like yeah, it has it included. [speaker002:] I think we were [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] There was no way for us to have [speaker001:] Considered the re [speaker004:] written down that it was really there. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] I think we were just getting overenthusiastic with the task [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well it's interesting that they [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think we really got into it, I mean I got into it as the day went on and I got really like, ooh I'm designing a remote control, I dunno if that's just me, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm, yeah [gap]. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It was interesting though that they put that fifty percent of people say they have frustration with losing their remote and yet they didn't provide us with information to um [disfmarker] we weren't provided with information to discuss that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I know that like people people have like things they can put on their keys that you press it and it'll beep, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but I but I'm sure that would require some kind of technology that [disfmarker] I just don't know what it is, [speaker002:] I think there are some of those like infomercial remotes that have things so you won't lose them. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] Mm. [speaker002:] I dunno. I mean we were talking about it and like i in my household at least, there's only about two places that the remote is ever [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] 'cause there's only one TV and there's only like three chairs. [speaker004:] That's like saying you're never gonna lose your keys, and I always do, anyway. You'll lose 'em in your pocket, like you just will forget that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] or you like put it down somewhere that like made sense and then not remember, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] there's always ways to lose things. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It d yeah, it depends on how organised you are personally, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, or like I guess what the setup of the house is too. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But, I mean [disfmarker] I am notorious for losing my keys, I just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I guess I've just never lost the remote. I put my keys in the refrigerator the other night [vocalsound] and couldn't find them. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'Cause I was putting groceries away. [speaker004:] That's funny. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker002:] You you're taking stuff from a bag and putting them in the refrigerator and then go back to my room. [speaker001:] Can't get in. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Can't get in, look all around the kitchen. Definitely in the vegetable drawer. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's funny. [speaker002:] So [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] I always do that, leaving it in my coat, and then like using a different coat. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] But I guess it's 'cause we don't carry remotes around that much. [speaker004:] Yeah. Can't really take it into the other room. [speaker002:] Yeah. Maybe with our little robot one we could've had him have a [disfmarker] robot, alien, pear, whatever he is, have a little voice like, I am located [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh a GPS system, [vocalsound] internal GPS. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh man. Here you go. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We should make one that walks by itself. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Although if it's sitting still for too long. [vocalsound] Yes I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That really could get up and walk away [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker001:] Or or like some crazy like electro-magnet, that you push it and it'll go zoom to the TV and stick there. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Or little [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Or just just a wheel, you know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Just if you [disfmarker] [vocalsound] like you'd have a remote for your remote, that'll [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well, but if you could attach them to the TV, then you can [gap]. [speaker002:] [gap] zoom [disfmarker] Yeah. Hmm. All kinds of possibilities. [speaker001:] Mm. Okay. Sorry, I'm just um trying to update my minutes. I decided to [disfmarker] you know how I sent you the email saying that PowerPoint minutes will be complimentary, rather than like repeating them. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Just gonna make [disfmarker] I'm making full minutes, so that it'll include all of the agenda and all that. [speaker002:] Oh. Wow. [speaker001:] 'Cause that seems a little more useful. [speaker002:] 'Cause you've had like the most typing and organising to do. [speaker001:] But I didn't have like information to sloth through either, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I guess [disfmarker] How much of your PowerPoint was already done for you, every meeting. [speaker001:] Most of it, mm-hmm. I added slides, um I added a couple slides each time, [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] but that was about it. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah, I didn't even think about adding slides, 'cause I would just get slides with titles on them and fill them all [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] in w didn't even think about adding more. [speaker001:] Well, the thing was they would provide y an agenda with s like several points, but it wouldn't have a slide for each point. [speaker002:] Ah yeah.. [speaker001:] And that's the only way I remember that I need to go other that point. [gap] I know personally when I do PowerPoint, that's what I do and so [disfmarker] I had it once, even if it was just like the title of it, like the three presentations, and I would do your three. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] You have you have to have the slogan on it or can it just be like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The slogan on it? [speaker002:] No, no, definitely not. [speaker001:] No no no. [speaker004:] Okay good. [speaker002:] We [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] 'Cause I was like, it could go around the outside. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No, I don't think we need to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think the R and R, especially if the yellow and black one. [speaker001:] I think we just need the um the RR, yeah. [speaker004:] Is it yellow and blue? [speaker002:] Or yellow and blue. Lemme go to the web page. [speaker001:] Yeah, I was just kinda going by the web page, 'cause they didn't give me any clear, like yellow, grey, or [gap]. [speaker004:] Oh I guess it is black, grey. Grey is better than black, doesn't look so bumblebeeish. [speaker001:] I don't really like yellow in general. [speaker004:] Hey now I understand the random like newsclippings. [speaker001:] But it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Finish meeting now. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Wasn't it interesting that um [disfmarker] I thought it was interesting that our market marketing um expert did not agree with the marketing um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] the marketing choices, you know, like [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I will I just feel like if you're really doing like a a really big market evaluation, you wouldn't just have like one set of source, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] that was a bit of a conflict. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] it's kind of an [disfmarker] they were so not backed up, it would just be a sentence [gap] like we did a survey, this is what people said. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] S mm, I dunno. [speaker001:] People are stupid. [speaker002:] I guess it i it sort of a grey, isn't it? Yellow and grey, but then the slogan's in blue. [speaker004:] Well we got some grey and we got some blue buttons, we're good. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well we don't have the right colour clay anyway. [speaker001:] Maybe, like [disfmarker] I don't know. [gap] That could always be [gap]. [speaker002:] Well we're not, sadly, going to actually be producing this, so [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] If they ever come out with potato [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Potato mango shaped remotes. [speaker004:] I'm gonna have to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'm claiming it intellectual property. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I can't believe a whole day is gone. [speaker004:] I know. [speaker002:] I don't feel like it's been that long. Get sucked in. Mm I haven't gotten questionnaire eight yet.
"[speaker001:] Okay, welcome to the detailed design meeting. Again, I'm gonna take minutes. Oh, we'r(...TRUNCATED)
"[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Alright, yeah. [gap] crack on [gap]. Okay so we'll start off with a quic(...TRUNCATED)
"[speaker001:] [gap] Do you need to change anything on it?\n[speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] Mm, don't (...TRUNCATED)
"[speaker001:] All set? Okay. Cool. Right. So um basically I'm just gonna go over real quickly um so(...TRUNCATED)

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Claire English Dialogue Dataset (CEDD)
A collection of English dialogue transcripts

This is the first packaged version of the datasets used to train the english variants of the Claire family of large language models (OpenLLM-France/Claire-7B-EN-0.1). (A related French dataset can be found here.)

The Claire English Dialogue Dataset (CEDD) is a collection of transcripts of English dialogues from various sources, including parliamentary proceedings, interviews, broadcast, meetings, and free conversations. Each dialogue is split into speech turns, and each speech turn is labeled with the name of the speaker, or a unique identifier if the speaker is unknown.

Dataset composition
- Data sources
Example use (python)
Important notes
License
Citations
Contact

Dataset composition

CEDD can be broken down into:

962,550 conversations in total (812,705 in train, 11,992 in test)
20,863,917 speech turns in total (18,576,327 in train, 359,527 in test)
around 864M words

It is a collection of several independent datasets, classified by the types of conversations they contain. This categorization is designed to more evenly balance the influence of different styles of dialogue on model training and to facilitate future applications of CEDD for which certain types of dialogue might be more helpful than others.

For more information, you can look at the following documents:

EN/metadata.csv contains further statistics on the different subcorpora (broken down by train/test splits).

Data sources

Dataset	Description	Words	Turns	Conversations	License (and conditions)
Parliamentary Proceedings
Europarl	The Europarl parallel corpus	56M	214K	11K	No copyright restrictions. If you use this data in your research, please contact [email protected]
Spoken Dialogue
Charlotte Narratives	The Charlotte Narrative and Conversation Collection (CNCC) contains 95 narratives, conversations and interviews representative of the residents of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina and surrounding North Carolina communities.	200K	2.7K	93	Available for download and use for research and development, including commercial development
Switchboard	The corpus consists of approximately 260 hours of speech and was originally collected by Texas Instruments in 1990-1, under DARPA sponsorship.	3M	290K	2320	LDC User Ageement for Non-Members
Broadcast
MediaSum (GitHub)	MediaSum dataset for summarization. A collection of transcripts of CNN and NPR interviews with short summaries.	720M	13M	458K	For research purposes only
Meetings
AMI (project page)	The AMI Meeting Corpus is a multi-modal data set consisting of 100 hours of meeting recordings.	712K	75K	139	CC BY 4.0
ICSI (project page)	About 70 hours of meeting recordings.	804K	64K	<1K	CC BY 4.0
Assistance
ReDial (GitHub)	ReDial (Recommendation Dialogues) is an annotated dataset of dialogues, where users recommend movies to each other.	1.5M	139K	11K	CC BY 4.0
OpenDialKG (GitHub)	OpenDialKG is a dataset of conversations between two crowdsourcing agents engaging in a dialog about a given topic.	1M	84K	12K	CC-BY-NC-4.0
ABCD (GitHub)	Action-Based Conversations Dataset.	1.5M	142K	10K	MIT
AirDialogue (GitHub)	AirDialogue is a benchmark dataset for goal-oriented dialogue generation research.	37M	4.6M	361K	Apache License 2.0
MULTIWOZ2_2 (pfb30)	Multi-Domain Wizard-of-Oz dataset (MultiWOZ), a fully-labeled collection of human-human written conversations spanning over multiple domains and topics.	1.9M	143K	10.4K	Apache License 2.0
MulDoGO2 (GitHub)	Conversations from the airline, fastfood, finance, insurance, media, and software domains.	10M	892K	63K	CDLA Permissive License
Free Chat
Chit-Chat (GitHub)	Open-domain conversational dataset from the BYU Perception, Control & Cognition lab's Chit-Chat Challenge.	2.3M	7.1K	258K	MIT License
DailyDialog	High-quality multi-turn dialog dataset.	1.2M	102K	13K	CC BY-NC-SA 4.0
Misc
British National Corpus (BNC)	Collection of samples of written and spoken language from a wide range of sources, designed to represent a wide cross-section of British English, both spoken and written, from the late twentieth century.	110M	663K	0.9K	BCN License

Example use (python)

In the following sample_by="paragraph" is important to ensure that each sample corresponds to a full conversation (not just a speech turn).

Load dataset from HuggingFace cache (downloaded under ~/.cache/huggingface/datasets):

from datasets import load_dataset

dataset = load_dataset("OpenLLM-France/Claire-Dialogue-English-0.1", sample_by="paragraph", streaming=True)

Load dataset from raw text files:

from datasets import load_dataset
import glob

path = "path/to/dataset"
train_files = glob.glob(path + "/*/train.txt")
test_files = glob.glob(path + "/*/test.txt")

dataset = load_dataset("text", data_files={"train": train_files, "test": test_files}, sample_by="paragraph", streaming=True)

Iterate on the dataset:

for sample in dataset["train"]:
    train_conversation = sample["text"]
    ...

for sample in dataset["test"]:
    test_conversation = sample["text"]
    ...

Important notes

All datasets were normalized in text files so that:

Conversations are separated by a single blank line.
Each line corresponds to a single speech turn.
Each line begins with a speaker label of the form "[***:]".
When speaker names are anonymized or otherwise unknown, speakers are distinguished by numbers in the following format: "[speaker001:]", "[speaker002:]", …
Otherwise, speakers are labeled with their names or roles, e.g. "[Paul:]", "[John King:]", "[White House Correspondent:]".
There are no parentheses: special annotations are always between square brackets.
Commong tags include:
- "[PII]": Personally Identifiable Information (anonymized name...)
- "[NOISE]": distinct ambient noises
- "[LAUGHTER]": laughter
Depending on the data source, data may or may not include punctuation marks and upper case letters.
The data were normalized in various ways including unicode NFC normalization, conversion of unbreakable spaces to spaces, and standardization of punctuation marks (… -> ..., «/»/“/”/″/„ -> ").

License

Given that some of the corpora used for training are only available under CC-BY-NC-SA licenses, Claire-Dialogue-English-0.1 is made available under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

Citations

When using the CEDD corpus, please cite this page:

@misc{openllm2024claire_en,
  author = {Julie Hunter and Jérôme Louradour and Virgile Rennard and Ismaïl Harrando and Guokan Shang and Jean-Pierre Lorré},
  title = {The Claire English Dialogue Dataset},
  year = {2024},
  publisher = {HuggingFace},
  journal = {HuggingFace},
  howpublished = {\url{https://huggingface.co/datasets/OpenLLM-France/Claire-Dialogue-English-0.1}},
}

You should also provide citations for all of the original corpora. They are listed below.

Europarl
- Philipp Koehn (2005). Europarl: A Parallel Corpus for Statistical Machine Translation. Proceedings of Machine Translation Summit X: Papers, Phuket, Thailand.
Charlotte Narratives
- OANC link.
Switchboard
- John J. Godfrey, Edward Holliman (1993). Switchboard-1 Release 2, Linguistic Data Consortium (LDC), Philadelphia.
MediaSum
- Zhu, Chenguang and Liu, Yang and Mei, Jie and Zeng, Michael (2021). MediaSum: A Large-scale Media Interview Dataset for Dialogue Summarization. North American Chapter of the Association for Computational Linguistics (NAACL), Mexico City, Mexico, 2021.
AMI
- I. McCowan, J. Carletta, W. Kraaij, S. Ashby, S. Bourban, M. Flynn, M. Guillemot, T. Hain, J. Kadlec, V. Karaiskos, M.Kronenthal, G. Lathoud, M. Lincoln, A. Lisowska, W. Post, D. Reidsma, and P. Wellner (2005). The AMI meeting corpus, Proc. International Conference on Methods and Techniques in Behavioral Research. 2005. p. 1-4.
ICSI
- Adam Janin, Don Baron, Jane Edwards, Dan Ellis, David Gelbart, Nelson Morgan, Barbara Peskin, Thilo Pfau, Elizabeth Shriberg, Andreas Stolcke, et al. (2003). The ICSI meeting corpus. In 2003 IEEE International Conference on Acoustics, Speech, and Signal Processing (ICASSP’03), volume 1. IEEE.
ReDial
- Li, Raymond and Kahou, Samira Ebrahimi and Schulz, Hannes and Michalski, Vincent and Charlin, Laurent and Pal, Chris (2018). Towards Deep Conversational Recommendations. Advances in Neural Information Processing Systems 31 (NeurIPS 2018), Montreal.
OpenDialKG
- Seungwhan Moon, Pararth Shah, Anuj Kumar, Rajen Subba (2019). OpenDialKG: Explainable Conversational Reasoning with Attention-based Walks over Knowledge Graphs. Proceedings of the 57th Annual Meeting of the Association for Computational Linguistics (ACL), Florence, Italy.
ABCD
- Derek Chen, Howard Chen, Yi Yang, Alexander Lin, Zhou Yu (2021). Action-Based Conversations Dataset: A Corpus for Building More In-Depth Task-Oriented Dialogue Systems. Proceedings of the 2021 Conference of the North American Chapter of the Association for Computational Linguistics: Human Language Technologies (NAACL), Online.
AirDialogue
- Wei Wei, Quoc Le, Andrew Dai, Jia Li (2018). AirDialogue: An Environment for Goal-Oriented Dialogue Research . Proceedings of the 2018 Conference on Empirical Methods in Natural Language Processing (EMNLP), Brussels, Belgium.
MULTIWOZ2_2
- Xiaoxue Zang, Abhinav Rastogi, Srinivas Sunkara, Raghav Gupta, Jianguo Zhang, Jindong Chen (2020). MultiWOZ 2.2 : A Dialogue Dataset with Additional Annotation Corrections and State Tracking Baselines. Arxiv.
MultiDoGO
- Denis Peskov, Nancy Clarke, Jason Krone, Brigi Fodor, Yi Zhang, Adel Youssef, Mona Diab (2019). Multi-Domain Goal-Oriented Dialogues (MultiDoGO): Strategies toward Curating and Annotating Large Scale Dialogue Data. Proceedings of the 2019 Conference on Empirical Methods in Natural Language Processing and the 9th International Joint Conference on Natural Language Processing (EMNLP-IJCNLP), Hong Kong, China.
Chit-Chat
- Myers, Will and Etchart, Tyler and Fulda, Nancy (2020). Conversational Scaffolding: An Analogy-based Approach to Response Prioritization in Open-domain Dialogs. Proceedings of the 12th International Conference on Agents and Artificial Intelligence (ICAART 2020), volume 2, pages 69-78.
DailyDialog
- Yanran Li, Hui Su, Xiaoyu Shen, Wenjie Li, Ziqiang Cao, Shuzi Niu (2017). DailyDialog: A Manually Labelled Multi-turn Dialogue Dataset. Proceedings of the Eighth International Joint Conference on Natural Language Processing (IJCNLP), Taipei, Taiwan.
British National Corpus (BNC)
- The British National Corpus online.

Our versions of MediaSum, ReDial, OpenDialKG, ABCD, AirDialogue, MultiWOZ2.2, MulDoGo2 and Chit-Chat were collected from the DialogStudio compilation, which is also to be cited if using these datasets:

DialogStudio
- Zhang, Jianguo and Qian, Kun and Liu, Zhiwei and Heinecke, Shelby and Meng, Rui and Liu, Ye and Yu, Zhou and Savarese, Silvio and Xiong, Caiming (2023). DialogStudio: Towards Richest and Most Diverse Unified Dataset Collection for Conversational AI. arXiv preprint arXiv:2307.10172.