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Aperture-Employee

Open faced sandwiches have no right to call themselves sandwiches. Nothing is being sandwiched, if you grab it like you would grab a sandwich you'd detroy the entire meal and your hands would be a mess. Fuck open faced "sandwiches" they need a new category.

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ForeverFun

if there was one dummy, he would have looked extra dumb after last night, even though voting was done long before.

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Johnie4usc

I don't think he wants to go to a young team with no experience. He has a young team with experience now. I could be wrong though.

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tardnugget

That's a hoagie. Wawa doesn't sell subs...

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thismise4u

Curry was the best offensive player this season, but not the MVP. LeBron is a more valuable of a player.

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mediuqrepmes

I can certainly see the case either way. Here are the relevant stats: Westbrook | Stat | Durant ---|---|---- 23.5 | **Points** | **28.2** **10.4** | **Assists** | 5.0 7.8 | **Rebounds** | **8.2** **2.0** | **Steals** | 1.0 0.3 | **Blocks** | **1.2** .454/.296/.812 | **Shooting Splits** | **.505/.388/.898** 4.3 | **Turnovers** | **3.5** 2.5 | **Fouls** | **1.9** 34.4 | **Minutes** | 35.8 31.6 | **USG%** | 30.6 115 | **ORtg** | **122** **103** | **DRtg** | 104 27.64 | **PER** | **28.25** **7.74** | **RPM** | 5.85 **10.0** | **BPM** | 7.9 **8.3** | **VORP** | 6.4 14.0 | **WS** | **14.5**

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Sir_Luke

Oh I didn't see that, he edited that in after I said my comment. Regardless, you can't compare a season to an era....

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shogunofoakland

Would you like more posts on how much the Raps suck?

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notapreacherman

I don't really have a problem with it. The Warriors are honestly just really likable and may be the most exciting team of all-time from a purely aesthetic point of view. To me, it doesn't feel like a normal bandwagon where teams jump to a successful team like the Patriots or Heat.

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Gilbert Arenas would like a word with you, sir and/or madam.

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fooferall

He almost seems weightless... like he has no inertia and can change direction, against the laws of physics, at will.

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elneuvabtg

Steph and the Warriors will do it a second time this year I bet. Hoping ATL finds a gazillion dollars and convinces Kevin Durant to come though.

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gg_tfti

Yall hate Derek Fisher huh?

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Swazzoo

I don't blame him. I know who Paul alleen is but have no idea what he looks like.

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remetell

that fucking asshole reporter who gave melo that one vote over lebron. man that just proves mvps are voted on by the idiots of the reporter world. melo getting 1 mvp vote is the worst thing to happen to basketball

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ijustwantagfguys

the baseball hof voting process is the real dumbass

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Cannabaholic

I heard he played well this regular season, but I've only ever seen him be an inefficient chucker. What did he improve this regular season that he lost in the playoffs?

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RTB24

The post wasn't originally meant to call-out bandwagon fans. I just wanted to see what the climate for bandwagon fans was back in the 90s. But thats a good point. I'm a Knicks fan, and obviously playoff appearances have been few and far in-between. I guess I root for different teams each year when the playoffs come around. Teams I'd like to see win it all because of a narrative or likability. Ironically, I'd like to see Golden State win it this year just so i can say that i watched one of the greatest seasons ever. Maybe that makes me a bandwagon fan in the purest definition. But I'm not going out talking shit to my friends about how Golden State is going to win it all; I'm just rooting for it to happen. And then I'll focus on the Knicks again. But I come across fans that can't even name 3 players other than the team's best player, and that irks me.

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seedarf

Interesting how only two players have won MVPs with multiple teams. It would be so cool to see a player as dominant and durable as Wilt and LeBron go full rogue, signing 2 year contracts with player options, except actually leaving.

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SF1034

It's not called the "most valuable to his team" award.

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isaacpr

And he sure as hell ain't top 3.

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stansburymaterial

> Most of us don't see him fitting well in our scheme. We'd rather see Jabari, Giannis and Khris grow as players than restrict their usage. This is a joke, right?

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GregMonroe

Harden averaged 29 ppg, 6 rpg, and 7.5 apg and DIDNT GET A SINGLE FIRST PLACE VOTE. TMac is playing a fool.

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marksills

he also has the best handles in the league and is the best shooter ever

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Benjalzz

73 win team, best shooter ever, 50/45/90 30ppg on sub 35 minutes. T-Mac can fuck off.

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CryloRen

Like hell you would.

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uscjimmy

If you read the comments they do know what it means in here, they just don't agree.

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theone1819

Ah. I see what you're doing now. Have a nice day.

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deathday

They sure like referencing their own useless stat. (PER) But it's still pretty cool breakdown. I never tire of Steph stats.

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utu_

all those Cav fans pimping Kevin Love as the best forward are avoiding this thread like the plague

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hoffmanmclaunsky

Fuck off dude they're **basketball** fans. If you're a fan of the game there's nothing wrong with appreciated great basketball plays. It's the reason why MJ clapped for Villa after the buzzer beater over UNC. He loves his team, but he appreciates great basketball

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donttazemeBRA

[Portland Fans]( http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/2014/10/telling-me-there-a-chance.gif)

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macky301

You starting sentence is so random and useless. Not sure how you figure I'm a new fan just because I don't think a guy making 10m per year is worth 25.9m. We don't have to share the same opinion. Anyways, a guy like Carroll isn't actually overpaid with the cap going up. He's also been way more useful than DeRozan in these playoffs and he's coming off a injury. DeRozan was coming into the playoffs healthy and playing well but he's just getting exposed by good defenses and his low IQ. Even if we can't lure better free agents, that doesn't mean DeMar deserves what you're saying he'll get. I'm also not so sure we can't get decent free agents here especially with how we've been doing lately and with Masai as our GM.

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posamobile

when Liliard plays with a chip on his shoulder he takes the roof off

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TheCalvinator

This is my favorite prediction of the thread.

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Elvis_Depressely

Why do you guys pretend to care about this?

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howdoesilogin

Its basically a weekly thread for us (and has been for the last few years)

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bluemagic124

Towns tho. And if he's playing next to Lavine, my guess is he's gonna be labeled a SF.

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earlb0ykins

Yeah the Winter Olympics are a long ways away

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SF1034

Good thing it's not called the "most valuable to his team" award.

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wjbc

I disagree, Jordan came within four votes of winning it unanimously in 1995-96. In the internet age, when the contrarians could be shamed, he might have won unanimously. Of course Jordan was Jordan, but the key issue is the success of the team on which he played that year, just as it is for Curry this year.

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ChocolateGiddyUppp

You don't have to finish every comment with "log off." We're not speaking on radio, I know when you've finished

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resoooo

Genuine question but how can you tell what assistants are good or not?

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hatmantc

[it's not that impressive when you relized he's copy and pasted it 10 times already](https://www.reddit.com/user/MomChomsky)

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jajjajjjjjja

That's all hypothetical. There's no evidence for it. Put Lebron on a team without stacking two other all stars with him and then make that argument. For all we know, Curry could do just as well if not better.

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PapaPapadopoulos

We did. We saw a great OT performance after a terrible 0 for 9 start from three. We also watched his team win series without him.

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KushedCudi

I still don't think Curry should have been unanimous but that's probably an unpopular opinion.

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SourerDiesel

Maybe Minnesota. It wouldn't be next year, but in a year or two? I don't think there's a shot in hell he ends up in Minny, but, on paper, he'd be a great fit. Realistically though, even if he wanted to go to MIN, he'd be better off signing a 1-year deal with OKC this year and then joining them next year for a larger contract after they've gone through more of the growing pains.

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tonyjefferson

Dirk 48 points on only 15 shots in a playoff win? Anybody...?

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ballislife2001

Like me anytime I say TS and other advanced stats aren't the most important thing

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jh12321

Durant and Giannis on the same team would be fucking awesome tho

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SpaceCowboy170

There's no argument against his shooting being impacted by the injury, the point that people are making is that the injury should also cause him to stop shooting when he can't make his shots

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UnimpressedAsshole

> The fact LeBron never won an MVP unanimously but Curry did is an absolute joke in my opinion that doesn't mean Curry actually winning a unanimous MVP is a joke

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Rooster_Cokburn

That's fair, but will anybody beat lebron?

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materics

Was that before or after the free throws?

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so-cal_kid

Would be interesting to see those numbers adjusted for possessions or pace.

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Benjalzz

I would have to disagree that all of these greats were as great as we end up viewing them in their first five years. Numbers don't lie, he had the best shooting season EVER. Sure, he shot more this year but if his ascension is a result of taking more shots and he has not changed much than he was always a GOD, we just didn't know it until last year.

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thehumangenius23

^^^ never watched Shaq edit: hahahaha Jesus you guys are hilarious.

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RoCon52

Eu gosto de cerveja

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GooSavior

I started my freshman year. Guys... I think I might be the GOAT.

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PleaseDontGiveMeGold

Half these guys haven't even played a pick up game before I wouldn't sweat it.

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sugardunkerton12

Yeah maybe I misinterpreted that too. I thought you were saying that it's stupid how much people hate on the Warriors and their popularity yet gush over the Bulls. To me it is the same and it's all about love for the game, I love the old Bulls as much as I love the Warriors today.

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kobrakalmani

Can we just call them the Decepticons.

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thr33beggars

Goddamn that's a fine looking league.

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rile688

Honestly, I waslooking forward to everyone bashing on the one voter who didn't vote for Curry. I guess I'll take this.

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FUZZY_ANIMALS

I also sprained my ACL in highschool, mine was sever enough that it has actually kept me from playing in the NBA, among other reasons.

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lcsulla87gmail

Then why is he doing so much better than anyone else in the league from 3

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seedarf

Wiggins maybe?

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RevButtface

KD: "Man I'm gettin kind of tired of this middle of nowhere town, where should I go next? New York....nah. Miami....nah. Chicago....nah. UTAH! FUCK YES!

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jabarshi

Not arguing with you but a professional athletes ability to recover coupled with the best healthcare money can afford = must faster recovery time.

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LebronMVP

>so the answer to your question is yes (on offense)

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plentifulpoltergeist

Yeah, but did he break the record for most goals by almost half the previous record?

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Goonsquad18

Could be his final home playoff game

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LRW35

I'm not sure there was ever an era where people expected more than 4 teams to actually win the title.

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jdill4evr

Lebrons 07 game was nasty and arguably better but i will say this about last night. I think why it is particularly incredible and for example rendered inside tnt speechless is because of the backstory. Curry injured they lost game 3. Curry comes in very rusty and yu get to literally see him shake the rust off to the point where hea breaking records in overtime, that combined with his team playing eh and his epic IM BACK and you have literally a real life movie script being played out before your eyes. So yes not as good as a pure athletic and skilled game as lebron but cmon it was a thing of beauty. Theyre just different beasts altogether

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Lone_Star_122

He's had some real stinkers this year, but he seems to always follow them up with an "I'm not done yet" game so I think you're right.

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mopiwan

This is mostly it. Stats rule the day and anyone with a different opinion (or even any opinion) is immediately shamed.

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MrTerrificPants

Pat Riley used to have James Worthy or AC Green take the ball out of bounds to save Kareem Abdul Jabbar's old knees from taking a couple of extra steps. He probably saved Kareem a few thousand steps each season, and who knows if that had a effect on prolonging Kareem's career.

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Last_Christmas

I think whoever wins this game is going to win the series.

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RedDane

> Steffi Graf If we're doing non-team sports, then you have to mention Michael Phelps and Carl Lewis. Now that I look at the wiki Phelps is fucking insane. 8 olympic golds 8 WRs (I think (If you count the medals as a record ( I do)))

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blockoblox

Holy Shit. What he did this season was amazing. I remember reading that he is donating a mosquito net for every three he made. And he ended up setting the record for most 3s in a season. He is truly amazing.

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Flight31

Yea, I get criticism, but the hate is too much. We're stuck with them til the end of the season, no point bitching so much. It's funny looking at the coaching list people bring up, because half are defence focused with shitty offense schemes.. They wouldn't be doing any better with their stars not hitting shots.

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DaBear405

How's Rex treating you?

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NuclearTacos

Headline should read: Old player thinks the league was better when he used to play.

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thr33beggars

That is more some dumbfucks fault than anything. Lebron SHOULD have won unanimously, but it was some guy who fucked it up. However, even though LeBron didn't doesn't take away from Curry earning a unanimous vote; it just shouldn't have been Curry with the first unanimous MVP.

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YouSaidDumbShit

Any particular reason why? And by retrospect, do you mean looking back from now? Or after his finals performance?

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ojzoh

There's a video of the review booth feed somewhere for that call, I stumbled upon it last night looking for a replay of one of the interviews, not sure if it was on nba.com or on the nba Twitter feed though.

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surreptitioussloth

A big part of them not being favored next year is that all of their good players will get bought off by bigger teams.

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UnimpressedAsshole

>Taking every single comment as pure "hate" is fucking childish. Every single comment? I'm speaking on one comment here, Skip. And I'm not saying T-Mac hates Curry but he's clearly hating on him here. His focus is on the negative, how bad the league is, not the positive, how good Curry is. Same with all that Oscar Robertson shit and all the retired players throwing shade. Besides, was the league any more watered down a few seasons ago when LeBron was a single vote away from unanimous? How about Shaq 15 years ago or KD back in 03?

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IIUndaII

I would love to see Jimmy pull out a MVP season. If he can get a little more consistent with his jump shot I could see it happening.

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Boshasaurus_Rex

If the ref calls that obvious foul on CoJo this never happens.

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Foxprowl

Russell Westbrook is the most important player on either team. If he plays the point like he did last game, Thunder win. If hero ball comes back, Spurs win.

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DemonicDimples

Because the overwhelming majority of championships haven't been won by like 10 players in the NBA's history.

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lII1IIlI1l1l1II

Nah

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posamobile

watched it live streamed, was jumping from my seat. that game was unreal.

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tenaciousdeev

>Manning I know at least one University of Tennessee trainer who would disagree with that.

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ttebow

OK Skip, tell me then. Teach me what iso is and tell me how it's not a key part of the raptors playstyle.

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makesterriblejokes

It's sad because they're in a position to win these games despite their stars playing like shit. Makes you wonder how good could they be if Lowry and DeMar could be if they just showed up to play.

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jajjajjjjjja

>Take Lebron off those heat teams and I'm not sure they make the playoffs. Stop it. The Heat got the third seed one year afterwards. And they would have made the playoffs last year if role players didn't retire and if Wade wasn't injured for a significant portion of the season. Not to mention Wade and Bosh were younger and healthier then than they are now.

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DomingoHummingbird

Yeah I definitely agree its at least misnamed or unclear how the title is really awarded. I just think pointing out that the Warriors are still a pretty good team without Curry doesn't mean he isn't the most "valuable". The gap between winning 75% of your games and setting the all-time NBA record for wins in a season is pretty huge. Curry also lead the league in +/-, win shares, and value over replacement which should give you an idea that he is very "valuable". You can certainly make a strong MVP case for Lebron every year, and probably Chris Paul, KD, Westbrook, even Harden if you wanted to. My point is more that determining the most "valuable" player every year is really hard to do, so going with "best" is probably more fair. I think Curry was the best and most valuable player this year, but I would have a hard time making the case that he was definitely more valuable to his team than someone like Lebron or Chris Paul.

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