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xcmt

Bandwagon fans of yesteryear were *worse* than today. While social media helps propagate the circlejerk that fuels bandwagon communities, it's much easier today to also be self-selective about how you bandwagon and who you bandwagon around. Like today we can all just change our Reddit flair and call it a day, acknowledged only by our /r/nba peers. You can stick to the Warriors subreddit and maybe whine a little bit about LeBron in a game thread. In the 90s the only way to effectively bandwagon was to own team gear and wear it all the damn time. EVERYBODY had a Starter jacket, and 50% of them were Cowboys-themed. I knew two different kids who'd wear Jordan jerseys with Cowboys coats and Yankees hats *all at the same time*. You think Air Jordans are popular now? Imagine a time when there were literally no other player-branded shoes *but* Jordans. So it was in your face 24/7. And it's not like you could just casually jump onto a basketball forum and bandwagon around with other b-ball aficionados, you had to talk about the team/player to your friends who aren't sports nuts, to your family, to anybody who made eye contact with you. Because obviously they needed to know you repped only the best. It leaked into real life in a poisonous way. So much worse.

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DaBear405

I am not saying it can't happen, I am saying I don't think it will. The best chance to win the series is for the Thunder to ride the momentum of last game and take game 5 and bring it back to OKC.

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Matthew3358

I love lebron still. I wasnt angry he went home, we had a good run. rooting for you guys because im realistic and know if we win this series we will get 1-2 games at most. Lebron In crunch time is a fucking unstoppable force. that scream last year with the ball slam gave me goosebumps

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BraveFencerMusashi

Pound cake Nutella sandwiches are my guilty once a month pleasures

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Platypus3333

The use of corn is definitely not what distinguishes bread and tortillas, man.

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Lishpful_thinking

Ok you wooshed me pretty hard lol

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WhoopingKing

This is my reasoning. Don't think Kawhi is not deserving of the second place, which he was, but I really think LeBron could've been 2nd

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richp1180

But his shooting #s are basically where they were at as a rookie.

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CharliesDaniels

You sound like a 15 year old.

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rainman416

His finishing at the rim and passing are severely underrated

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now_stop_that

You're totally right. And this is the high quality basketball discussion I come here for.

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_e_e_e_

You're talking about the 1999 Knicks? The strike shortened season in which 3 Wins separated the 4 seed and the 8 seed, and the top 3 seeds in the East were all 33-17? Yeah, I remember that year. The year the MVP voting included Malone, Mourning, Payton, and prime Duncan, Grant Hill, Kidd, AI, Shaq, and KG.

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Aidanbomasri

It's hard for me to follow any team besides the Thunder, I don't have any premium channels, so I only have Fox Sports Oklahoma, which of course only shows Thunder games. I see the occasional ESPN or TNT games, but during the regular season it's impossible to follow any other team. I used to be somewhat of a Mavs before we got the Thunder, I still like to go down to Dallas every now and then to watch a game (Go MAVS!!!)

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theone1819

Akron's definitely the way to go, just based on the samples

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resjudicata2

^^

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quentin-coldwater

Wade's prime barely intersect with LeBron's heat career.

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Taxonomyoftaxes

What do you mean people can't accept that he has superstar talent? Literally all I've ever heard about Kawhi Leonard ever since that first finals series against the heat is that he'll be a superstar someday.

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DaBear405

The D League

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remetell

no theres 2 teams spurs and golden state. cleveland will only get ot the finals cause there's literally NO ONE in the east even remotely on championship level.

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lipstickpizza

"I am retiring" - Kevin Durant (June 2016) ... make that 30 teams

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ChipsOtherShoe

I loved the process, hated that we (I know I've got bandwagon flair but I'm a sixers fan) fired hinke though, really put a the prior years to waste.

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MacDizzle

What's there to like about him?

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Jakelshark

Because he grew up the son of a talented NBA 3pt shooter. Like I've repeatedly said Steph has trained A LOT from a young age and I don't think I'm being clear enough. Steph Curry had a unique upbringing, had access to very smart trainers/coaches throughout his life, and was developing his game when the league slowly started to realize the importance of 3pt shots. He is riding the perfect tidal wave of momentum right now Kids are learning to mimic his shooting motions right now. Some of them have access to a wealth of training resources. People realize now more than ever the value of learning to shoot 3s

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solanasol

They were being 100% cautious as they should be, on top of the fact that they don't want to reveal anything to the Blazers till game time. There were a lot of comments about everyone being optimistic before hand. Steve Kerr and everyone thought he was going to play the day before. And I don't deny that he was working off rust, but no, he wasn't hobbled. It's a Willis Reed narrative you're trying to push.

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resjudicata2

Yeah, but Harden has to get by Steph for the next couple years. By the time Steph starts to diminish, Harden might be on the wrong side of 30 :(.

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richp1180

I don't watch them as much as a Warriors fan does, but from what I see they still have the great ball movement without Steph, they still have good shooting without him, and they still play great defense w/o him. And please don't take this as me shitting on him. I've watched what he's done this year with my jaw dropped just like everyone else. I respect the SHIT out of where he's at in the game now.

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salmon10

Funny, the same thing was said about Curry just 4 years ago

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zigzagzil

he has a low BBIQ and stinks against real competition. he's super raw right now and is only getting drafted potentially due to measurables and having an ok jumper. he definitely can't handle the ball against NBA-caliber defenders, his hands are very bad.

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JumpUpHitDown

Didn't you watch last night? He's the guy that plays a doctor on tv lol

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phernoree

Don't forget Payne! Choo...choo?

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getsituated

Idk about that

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remetell

it was a boston guy who voted melo cause melo torched boston. as if boston was some amazing team and beating them makes you MVP

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Blansor

I think he has the right amount. Should've gotten it in '11, but also shouldn't have in '09. I thought Wade deserved it 100% that year

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rile688

Oh, okay.

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waswereual

Out of the league before Bruno

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checkonechecktwo

Shaq is supposed to fall and then wear bubble wrap.

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lipstickpizza

/r/unexpectedrationaltoinsane

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Cudder_Buddy

Screw KD. Get Westbrook and Griffin in 17'!

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Yelloboy

the argument is he won it in a watered down league, which is true. just look just how many bad teams there were this year, there were only 5 legit "good" teams this year. he was able to win 73 games because so many teams were tanking and just awful this year...

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tonyjefferson

Yeah I was honestly only half-serious, just gotta stand up for my boy! Best performance IMO for real was MJ flu game. I remember watching that shit just shaking my head.

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iaLWAYSuSEsHIFT

So what you're saying is we let our nostalgia and recency bias affect us equally? We're in both the worst NBA of all time and the best?

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bumba03

The writer was actually from Boston, his logic was that the Heat would still be good without Lebron while the Knicks would be bottom feeders without Melo. I don't agree with that being the metric for MVP voting but don't make it sound like it was him being a homer edit: [Source](https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/05/05/yes-voted-carmelo-anthony-for-mvp-and-for-good-reason/Yo08ZgzGaxzlt9KF0JDfqM/story.html)

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donspewsic

i think if you're an adult and you tell another fan base to fuck off, regardless of history, you probably have some work on yourself to do.

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Vindicare605

Dallas' title run still surprises the hell out of me when I think back to the context. You're telling me the Dallas Mavericks, with an almost 40 year old Jason Kidd as the starting Point Guard will not only sweep the Los Angeles Lakers coming off of back to back title wins in the second round in Phil Jackson's last year; but would go on to beat the hell out of a Miami Heat team featuring Lebron James, Dwayne Wade AND Chris Bosh? Still amazing to this day. I've never been as excited for a championship that wasn't a Laker banner.

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WrightFlyerOne

He should know the reason we're fat is because of all the churros.

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Jayson_d333

Whats the third thing Steph says? Can't make it out.

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remetell

he's not entirely wrong though, but in interest of fairness. Tracy McGrady wasn't as good as he thought he was and is still probably pissed about his playoff record

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Aidanbomasri

Really?? That's interesting, I didn't realize we resonated with so many people. Thanks for letting me know!

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rainman416

They would not win 60 games with out him lol

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fubu

incoming Playoff MVP

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PerimeterGame2

Surprised SAS is 70% favored to win this series. I expected this to be much closer similar to TOR/MIA series

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QuestionableCheese

That would be so awesome.

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scrbroy

SA wins by 12. Possibly more. I feel like this series is going to be a 7 game dog fight

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learnyouahaskell

"*Today*"

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JumpUpHitDown

>against a regular Kings team FTFY

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Malificari

Kobe 62 - Mavs 61.

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mattinva

Hall of Fame voters to put obvious Hall of Fame players on their ballots would be a start.

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GrayFaceNoSpace

I figure he'll be the top center next season. Too much drama surrounding Cousins.

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LadiesLoveBean

China.

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rile688

Without Curry, Warriors are 3-4th place team in West. Cavs without LeBron, probably a 4-5th place team. Now, look at where each team actually is.

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beej511

Never change, bobo

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BobbyFischerG

Get the ball to the Italian.

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ChemLok

I was talking about the redditor, not Tracy

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donspewsic

i understand this. i guess i was looking at it from my own perspective of "my team was knocked out in the first round so im going to root for another team i enjoy watching". but i also dont pretend im some diehard who grew up with the warriors. makes me wonder who you're hanging out with at 25 that jumps so hard on the bandwagon that they act like theyve been there the whole time and talk shit.

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richp1180

for 5 years, he wasn't a superstar, no matter how you want to slice or dice his numbers. It wasn't until his team became a juggernaut that he ascended to where he is.

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resjudicata2

I still can't believe Shaq only has one.

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JuanRobesPierre

I don't think they'd be a 55 or 60 win team. Without Steph I'd put them slightly below the Clippers, so probably 45-50 wins. Offensively they'd be pretty middle of the pack. Edit: Also as to why he's improved so much, he finally has an offensively competent coach. Nelson had pretty much checked out, Keith Smart is Keith Smart, and Mark Jackson never really had a quality offensive system. Kerr and Gentry came in and put him in a better position to succeed.

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FUZZY_ANIMALS

[Here are the data in a stacked descending bar chart.](http://i.imgur.com/odH8KUA.jpg) edit: [transposed the chart as well](http://i.imgur.com/eogvQEr.jpg)

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johnson_in_a_box

They're whooping raptors butt right now.

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changger

I am not going to explain it for you because you can google it yourself, but if you can watch that game and not see the blatant favoring of the lakers then youre either blind or willfully ignorant

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What would you use then, squirrels?

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Vballa101

If you didn't count Draymond as a PF or C, what would he be?

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marksills

so you cant criticize refs and want them to deal with things in better ways?

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Darth_Mater

Don't get sucked into the position labeling fallacy. Damn sure PG and KD would be able to coexist very succesfully

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deathday

Only time Dray may want to think about keeping quiet is if they play the Cavs in the finals. LeBron tends to get scary when enough shit talk comes his way.

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cheerioo

Could also be that he was just really excited about what he's accomplished and didn't realize how much of a stink his comments would give off.

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ratonbox

I'd like to see you explain that to your significant other.

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bfelonyfree

Steph was off the chain!!!

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Aperture-Employee

Corndog goes under the hotdog category. Hot dogs, corn dogs, chili dogs, Italian/Polish sausages, etc.

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makesterriblejokes

This was one of the most "wtf is happening?!" moments I've ever had watching a game since watching Kobe put up 81. I honestly never thought another player would make me laugh at the absurdity of the shots he was making like Kobe making double team contested fade aways, but here I am laughing at this baby face assassin slinging daggers from 5 feet behind the 3pt line over and over again with a smile on my face and muttering "this isn't fair...". I don't like the Warriors, but damn Curry is the most entertaining player since prime Kobe.

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34Heartstach

Take some pieces and you know we'll just upgrade to Mega.

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hoffmanmclaunsky

lol after that he was all "Alright ask me questions now"

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TwoChe

Nah. Impressive, not legendary. Free throws suck. And I say this as a harden supporter.

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GregMonroe

But there is no argument against him winning unanimously. Fuck the bullshit about Curry doesn't deserve it because LeBron and Shaq didn't get it unanimously. That's like saying blacks didn't get the right to vote until 1920 so Jews shouldn't get he right to vote until 2020 out of respect to the black community.

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Haiko248

Hahaha damn

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marksills

what im saying is soccer has a much smaller issue with players being sent off for dissent. Whether its how the refs deal with it, or just them not having as big of an ego, it doesnt happen as much. And in the bigger leagues, refs dont get shoved much at all.

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Mdizzle29

If you think the show is primarily about basketball, then you are wrong. Though I agree with you, C-Webb would be a great addition, take out Shaq.

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walterdog12

At least 2-3 years in the D-league, probably more. He is **really** raw talent wise. The only reason he'll get drafted is because he's 7'1". All of his hype came from him dominating high school kids. Whenever he went to any of the camps with other big name recruits, he would get destroyed.

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49GSWGiants

He says something a little closer to that towards the end here: https://youtu.be/ZYjn6NlrMuk?t=4m1s

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Fsharp88

Where is the full quote?

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remetell

he wasn't the most valuable.

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thindarkoldgaysian

What??????????????????????????

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GoldenSpikes

a wicked wangerdoodle

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bassment_dweller

I meant you're high if you think baseball and football are dying. They both bring in more revenue than the NBA by quite a bit.

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AwsomeOne7

Trash Bros gonna dethrone the Splash Bros.

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cheerioo

can't not chuckle at this. what in the hell

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thr33beggars

I disagree but I don't think it is a crazy opinion to have. Like you said, between Lebron, KD, Kawhi, and Wesbrook, I figured one would have taken a vote from him. I don't put a lot of stock in someone being unanimous, in my mind Lebron earned one and just got fucked over, and I am sure a lot of other times players have earned it only to be fucked out of it

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Yelloboy

i understand what he means, look at how many terrible teams there were this year, look at the Eastern Conference playoffs right now, alot of terrible bball...from jump street this year, there were only 5 good teams in the whole league. Warriors, Spurs, Thunder, Clippers, Cavs....

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Noveson

Lol CJ is definitely not. You can't just look at the numbers. You switched places between CJ and Dame and Dame would easily break 40% on threes.

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KeepItRealTV

and Divac back at center Wait... What...

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