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+{"title": "Malaysia Government has been caught using AI art and ChatGPT to develop the PADU website \ud83d\ude02\ud83d\ude02\ud83d\ude02", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vxk3l/malaysia_government_has_been_caught_using_ai_art/", "num_comment": 124, "flairlabel": [], "header": "In response to this, they have removed the countdown timer this afternoon \ud83d\ude02", "comments": [["There's nothing wrong tbh, just a landing page", "Could've used official government illustrations/graphics or commissioned an artist to draw up the landing page instead of using AI. Plus there's graphic designers that work in almost every Bahagian Korporat of ministries \u2013 use them", "And what make you so sure that it wasn\u2019t the graphic designers that work in almost every bahagian korporat of ministries that used AI for the art?", "Ikr, random uncle at ministry couldnt come up with good ai art, still need an artist to prompt, filter, choose, pick, edit a good art.", "it's a bit like the IT \"what do we even pay you for\" meme.", "Good point if not what's the purpose of cramming so many offspring in the govt. flats so that they can work in the civil service.", "Ive realised that lots of Immigration department staff uses Gmail as well. Over here in Australia, they have their own email domains. Really odd.", "Well if the contractor gets paid\u2026.\nSee where I\u2019m going here?", "If even the landing site is done in this manner, I wouldn't be surprised the rest of the codes behind PADU, aka our National Digital ID are mostly templates provided from another company of a foreign country.\nBe mindful that the rest of the world are also currently developing \"their own\" Digital ID for their country, and it will most likely be linked together among nations mainly for CBDC. Here's a map from Atlantic Council.\n<image>\nRafizi boasted PADU is 100% in-house, but is it really true? If they just use some template provided by some foreign entity, it will be even worst than just data leak to scammers, it would be a national security issue.\nIt will be easy for some foreign entity to use that data to inject specific messages to their target demographic to instigate mass protest, topple government etc.\nAnd CBDC will have its own host of issue as mentioned in this article by FMT.", "That is an opinion piece from a writer that isn\u2019t very economically inclined, nor has any public policy experience. His other rather wonky articles (I recall one on promoting crypto iirc) show this.\nIt would be extremely stupid for backend codes to be pulled from a third country - if you look at how other similar national infrastructure has been set up - such as payments/ RPP/ RENTAS etc, you will find that these systems are usually built in house by govt or quasi-govt utilities (bc of liability issues or statutory limitations). It is more likely than not that this template will be followed, and I would be more surprised if codes were indeed copied from third countries.", "His other rather wonky articles (I recall one on promoting crypto iirc) show this.\nsurprise surprise cryptobro hates CBDC.", "PADU is not MyDID though it will use the latter.", "our current politicians are basically WEF puppets. They are trying to turn our country into a surveillance state like China.", "I would think the monyets in this sub will be able to figure this out by now, and think of the ways PADU can be weaponised against the people.\nYou and I are the minority, but in Facebook we have more people calling out on the totalitarian aspect of PADU."], ["The art might be created using AI but there's no indication in the screenshot that it's made with chatGPT. Who knows if they write it themselves or copied the code somewhere.\nBut the code is quite awful:\nvar everywhere\ninnerHTML for containing numbers+string is also bad. The numbers should've been converted to string before concatenated.\nFor clarification, i don't blame them if their boss ask for a countdown timer script at the last minute.", "nothing wrong with using var. Not every browser is ES6 compliant.\ngomen websites should cater to as much people as possible.", "ES6 is 8 years old now.\nlet is widely available in major browsers: https://caniuse.com/let\nFor really old browsers we can use polyfill.", "Don't underestimate the amount of boomers still using IE. There's a reason why even Singapore government websites still support that browser.\nand polyfills cannot magically convert let/const to var. What you're looking for is a transpiler. And even if they are using a transpiler, the end result would look like what we're looking at here now."], ["More context please?\nUhh, what's exactly wrong with the countdown timer? and so what if it is by ChatGPT?\nWhy reinvent the wheel when we developers source common algorithms from StackOverflow/ChatGPT and improve our productivity?", "Ya. More context like how much did they pay for this.", "There's nothing wrong with using ChatGPT, but directly copying and pasting content from ChatGPT without reviewing and editing, they even include original comments, indicates a lack of prior programming knowledge or skills. Remember, first impression is important.\nMoreover, this website will handle highly sensitive citizen data such as ID numbers, names, addresses, etc. How can we ensure the rest of the site will be able to store these information securely? :26554:", "Nothing wrong with their code comments. Simple & straight to the point.", "Imagine removing code comments just because u dont want it to look like chatgpt code and come back later having no clue wtf code is doing \ud83d\udc80", "imagining reviewing code without comments", "but directly copying and pasting content from ChatGPT without reviewing and editing, they even include original comments, indicates a lack of prior programming knowledge or skills\nDoesn't even matter mate. It's a countdown timer, it's not a critical module. They can rip off from any source as long as it works.\nRemember, first impression is important.\nNo, the front end UI/UX is the one that's important and not the F12 inspect element. No common user will ever care about code comments. Seriously.\nMoreover, this website will handle highly sensitive citizen data such as ID numbers, names, addresses, etc. How can we ensure the rest of the site will be able to store these information securely?\nJust because some countdown timer in the front end got \"exposed\" to be amateurish doesn't mean it'll pose a security issue. Until there's actual proof that these mentioned critical modules that handles personal/financial data are developed by copy pasting ChatGPT codes, we'll cross the bridge when we get there.\nSource: I'm a Systems Architect/Programmer and I definitely know what I'm talking about.", "I agree with you boss.\nPeople like this contribute nothing.", "That\u2019s what I thought. There\u2019s nothing actually wrong using a freely available tool to code a simple module. I can\u2019t even see the problem with the countdown timer lolz", "Do you still shit on wikipedia for \"not having authentic\" sources?", "Brother it\u2019s a countdown timer, even I used gpt for it just due to laziness", "They prefer to have a human counting them down, they will then call it great job for the hard work", "That's why you have code review/VAPT. If you copy problematic code, a reviewer should flag it out before it's approved and merged to master"], ["I did my internship in a software development company few months ago and developers had start using ChatGPT to assist them in coding but mostly for inspection and finding out mistakes", "pretty much faster than googling but need doublecheck .. can't simply c&p .. the purist said : \"we need create our own code\" .. I say total bs. how much time waste just create a fully function website also debugging. my company already turn to GitHub copilot for faster man-days. more time on developer to do other thing tho", "This lol.\nAin\u2019t being a smart and good programmer all about finding the fastest ways to finish the task lol. Writing code from scratch is great if you got the talent and skill but it\u2019s even better if you have the talent to know what to copy paste and know that it will work and save lots of time etc.", "if you are beginner, yeah you need to write from scratch bcs you need to understand what the functions do .. i even force my new junior not rely on chatgpt.. in the long way you need to be efficient with your time.. i didn't have whole day to write a code.. i got another stuff to do .. like browsing reddit /s .. having copilot can make my day more efficient."], ["Most programmers have been using it now, otherwise how to get future jobs requiring 2 years min experience in AI tools??\nMore important is whether this system, processes, integrations and gov policies can work well to achieve its intended outcomes."], ["It's normal to use github copilot to develop websites or do any sorts of programming nowadays."], ["Are you a programmer or developer? Because majority of developers nowadays do use ChatGPT to assist in code writing.\nYou're a making a sensational post out of fucking nothing especially on a non-critical trivial module/feature of the site.\nI know this because I recently did the same for my Java Assignment as a ICT Diploma Holder.", "As a software developer currently working in the industry, I would be genuinely surprised if any big companies do not have code assist software for the software engineers.", "My developers are actively encouraged to use it. If they\u2019re not, then they are not being fully productive.", "i work for a bank and we don't use it for security reasons.\ngomens should have the same concerns as well.", "You're a making a sensational post out of fucking nothing especially on a non-critical trivial module/feature of the site.\nBecause empty cans make the most noise."], ["whats wrong using AI that will definitely replace something in the future.... better start now than being left behind later.... only criticism, plz do QC."], ["?????? there is nothing wrong here.\ntf are people bitching about", "twittard and maybe OP wantes gov to hire 'local' graphic designer.\napalah, use AI pun salah", "Anti-AI art sentiments leaching into other uses of AI. Now anything remotely AI is bad. Code with AI? You're now in the same category as AI art. \ud83e\udd26"], ["Bro really expects the government to create the countdown algorithm within their own language that runs on their own engine that built within their own specialized browser"], ["Looks like a countdown timer code. Theres absolutely zero issue with using ChatGPT code. If it works properly, then its good. Your point for this post?"], ["Bro, stop inventing new wheels; just use tools that have already been developed.\nI don't see any issue here.", "They are a couple issues: a lot of art generation ai programs have been caught illegally using thousands of artist art as datasets and at time generates the actual image made by the original artist themselves.\nMidjourney for example is facing massive lawsuits for illegally using data sets without permission en masses.", "This is a problem the companies developing the Gen AI tools need to be transparent about and deal with. As a user, there is nothing wrong using it. If you are planning to hold your ethical ground, it only positions yourself in a more vulnerable position compared to others who chose to use it (ie more efficient workflow at a cheaper price)."], ["as someone who currently learning to code, I leave so many comments in my code because if I want to debug, refresh my memory on wtf I am doing before, or help co-workers/future employees understand it. nothing wrong with that, it's just good practice. I feel like this is also like standard thing to do. also for this kind of stuff just use dateFns"], ["efficient."], ["Chatgpt please write Rancangan Malaysia ke-13 \ud83d\udc80\ud83d\udc80\ud83d\udc80", "Bina kereta terbang Malaysia", "Please correct grammar mistakes in our Perlembagaan \ud83d\udc7d", "ChatGPT : shit not even i can fix your country"], ["Menjimatkan perbelanjaan negara. Respek kerajaan madani"], ["Work smart. Not hard."], ["There is nothing wrong with using available resources"], ["They seriously on vanilla JS?", "I made a meme of you.\n<image>\nDisclaimer: I have a computer science degree but know nothing about web development or programming.", "Nooo, i i need overbloated js framework to make a simple countdown", "They seriously on vanilla JS\nSubcon > subcon > subcon > some poor intern", "Govt say PADU is developed in-house. No contractors.", "Damn, now that's new.", "Thats how they manage to do it in 6 months", "they claimed this one fully penjawat awams work", "Then ChatGPT", "well vanilla JS is the best tool for this simple landing page", "Correct, sometimes simple problems just need simple tools.", "TIL", "Vanilla JS is best and timeless when done right.", "Tbf that's only true after ES5 became mainstream.\nPrior to that jQuery is the GOAT.", "What\u2019s wrong with vanilla js? What would you have used?", "could be a transpiler, we'll never know."], ["whats PADU website about? as in what form of financial management specifically?", "Digital ID"], ["AI is a tool, nothing wrong from using it."], ["I don't necessarily think that the comments in the code is an proof of code generation software but rather a possibility. The engineer might just have the habit to comment their code, although I think this comment is Abit unnecessary since it's very obvious what the code is doing to other engineers."], ["For programmer doenst matter chatgpt or what. We all copy paste from stackoverflow anyways"], ["There was no AI in the JavaScript code. Y\u2019all be tricking non devs. Lol"], ["This is one of the \"I am tech savvy and know some coding knowledge but not professional enough but I still judge like I know what I am talking about\" ey?"], ["See what they paid the contractor lah. They want to pay less and save money, then the contractor don't do custom work."], ["just another day in twitterjaya\nterpaling cari something for engagement\ni mean your web development project already using framework, youre insane to built from scratch with the limited resources and time at your disposal. might as well use AI to optimise whats necessary. people bayar you janji site function.\nnot limited to comp science. graphic designers already experimenting with text to image tools."], ["AI is meant to improve productivity. What\u2019s wrong with that? As long as the content within is vetted and accurate to their message/ purpose."], ["Copying and pasting codes from Stackoverflow. Okay.\nCopying and pasting codes from ChatGPT that trains a lot of it's stuff from Stackoverflow. Nooooo.\nSeriously dude, apart from the AI generated images, there seems to be nothing wrong with the code. And if the comments actually helps any programmer going through the codes later, then what is the issue here? So yeah, the comments looks generated, so what?\nA lot of companies do provide their developers to Copilot and other AI tool nowadays. It's mainly used for starting and you still have to refine, a lot, and test, a lot."], ["Does anyone not use AI at work nowadays? If I see someone doing it old school I think twice about promoting them, they probably can't adapt to the present era."], ["What's wrong with using AI Art here? It's just simple landing page background which can be some generic Malaysia themed picture. In my opinion it is in situations like this where AI art should be used."], ["Bro act like using GPT is a crime in programming like bruh ppl been using it for a while now. It's a matter of how you utilize it I bet most ppl don't just prompt \"Please write me a code for gov website\" then c&p and hope for the best."], ["Seeing the lowest common denominators here thinking there\u2019s nothing wrong with AI art really demonstrates the lack of comprehension on the matter, and in worst cases, a lack of empathy and appreciation for the arts and artists, both local and abroad. Fuckin shame on the lot of you lah. Cibai betul.", "is the art used stolen? if no, why does it matter?", "Gen AI art by definition is stolen art because even its initial dataset relies on scraped content from all across the internet, including art made by artists local and abroad who have not given their consent to have their work used as such and not given any share of profits or royalties. If that doesn\u2019t bother you, keep in mind that LAION, one of the primary datasets used by things like Midjourney, have deadass been found to use child abuse photos in their training\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/12/20/ai-child-pornography-abuse-photos-laion/", "Your initial argument is not strong (put aside the child porn aspect). All art is additive and incremental. If you were to get a human artist to draw the skyline of Malaysia I doubt they are going to come up with a totally unique art style that has never been done before. So what's the difference between an AI doing it and a human artist? You aren't gonna question the human artist about what sources he has pulled from are you?", "Seeth harder"], ["Haha\u2026Ez money for the kabel IT company", "Who's gonna tell him?"], ["That stupid looking ai generated background. these fucks got paid to use ai. probably img2img real art too. Dumbass probably copy pasted prompts too. Are we out of real artist in this country? Why go with AI? I think any fresh graduate can do better. You don't even have to pay them much.\n<image>", "We already have local artists who practically specialise in making paintings like these like Loka Made, and yet wanna use AI art like the lazy fat fucks that they are. Did they even notice the broken-up flag on the left? Normies are normies lah but holy fuck blind also can see the mistakes, artifacting and all around weaponized retardation slathered across this drivel. Absolutely fucking embarrassing.", "", "You know the government is lazy when they don't even bother to draw their own flag correctly", "Kan? Like bro, it\u2019s the first thing that caught my eye cos it looks like a ripped-up flag. And they want that on a gov website??", "This AI generated is quite ok\nI disagree. And you want an actual artist who can produce 100x better quality to touch up some AI generated image? It will take more effort to fix it than to create it from scratch.", "What I meant was artist can refer to AI (but better don\u2019t la) and redraw the whole thing to enhance and correct the small small mistakes. Still I\u2019m agree your point that just don\u2019t malas and draw it by human, especially government have more resources than we do and they should be an example to promote Malaysian style creative talent work. \ud83c\uddf2\ud83c\uddfe\nIf I might wrong, I am truly apologize to you.", "This is so true... There are so many talented artists in MY and they decided to use AI", "Where the hell did the promptard brigade come from to downvote you to hell on this, and what are they implying? That local artists and talents are not worth paying for an official piece of art representing the country and its people? People wanna complain about brain drain, then don\u2019t wanna acknowledge local talent being hired and paid for fair work. Fuck off lah."], ["the same website that we will collectively use to update our financial data was developed by chat gpt?:26554:", "This makes you think twice about giving your data to the government."], ["nothing wrong tbh. as long as they just didn't copy paste directly...its all good."], ["What's wrong with using AI? Is it working as intended?"], ["Yes sure why not"], ["More AI cringe"], ["This is normal. Just a skeleton block of code"], ["As an artist, i love knowing my country barely cares about us enough to hire an actual human /s"], ["Uhhh how is this a problem???"], ["I have NO idea what I'm looking at. But kudos, I suppose? XDDD"], ["Wow, the replies in reddit and twitter are both so different it amuses me.", "what's on twitter?"], ["So? Before ChatGPT a lot of programmers just copy and paste code from Stackoverflow lol."], ["Nothing wrong or is it wrong? \ud83e\udd14 It\u2019s a widely available tool so just use it. I\u2019m kinda happy in knowing inside the government some people are still reliable and competent hahaha. Not all just makan gaji buta"], ["Senang dan cepat oi"], ["Kementerian apa?"]]}
+{"title": "/r/malaysia daily random discussion and quick questions thread for 02 January 2024", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18w55kv/rmalaysia_daily_random_discussion_and_quick/", "num_comment": 93, "flairlabel": [], "header": "This is r/malaysia's official daily random discussion and quick questions thread. Don't be shy! Share your joys, frustrations, random thoughts and questions. Anything and everything is welcome.\nApa tanda si pinang kelat,\nBila dimakan terasa malan,\nApa tanda orang beradat,\nBila Monyets berdebat dengan sopan.\nDad joke: When's the worst time to have a heart attack?\nDuring a game of charades.", "comments": [["Minor announcements:\nmonyet.cc: Check out our Malaysian Lemmy community! (why?)\nSPM Megathread: Updated 2022 with SPM resources such as trial papers, modules, notes and more!\nMental health wiki: A list of mental health services in Malaysia\nI am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns."], ["Sitting here at the car service centre and waiting for my car to be serviced, I started contemplating my life. Every major decision that I have made that leads to where I am right now,\nI wonder what I will become if I make a different choice. The 'what if' question keeps lingering in my mind, compels me to imagine what kind of life the 'other' me are living in if he chooses the other choice. What kind of job is he doing? Did he get married early? Where will he be living right now should he decide to get adventurous? Most importantly will he be more happy with his life?\nWhile typing these message , I reach out to the free kopi that I got from the counter. It tastes bitter as hell..."], ["Went to Genting the week before new year. Should've just made it a day trip or something but my sister booked two nights. I thought maybe it was an opportunity to check out Skyworlds even if I had to deal with a terrible crowd, but instead it was a terrible fog and rain. Didn't bother going Skyworlds cause most of the rides probably not operating in that kind of weather.\nSkytropolis and Sky Avenue were kinda boring and depressing, not too different from going to any other mall. Found an arcade after wandering around all the way to Genting Grand, but it was pretty lousy. I really miss the old indoor theme park of the 90s genting. I really wonder where all those old arcade machines ended up. Some collector's place? Distributed to random ass malls? In some landfill? I remember finding a Star Gladiators sequel back then. Also all those old lightgun games and stupid ticket earning games. But well, arcades have been on a decline for a while already, even when I was in Tokyo in November the arcade places didn't seem that happening.", "genting arcade is not as good as they used to be. they are more like an afterthought, as those ring tossing and dart throwing and duck scooping games are much more lucretive. too bad the vr park closed down. the remaining vr attraction sucks. skytropolis is fine enough for kids. personally im mroe interested with attractions in ripley's believe it or not. havent give those a try."], ["Anyone able to register PADU ? Been trying for the past 1hr :26563:.", "No. I'm stuck at OTP.", "Same \ud83d\ude02", "are u using celcom?"], ["I recovered last month for flu and cough for the year end only to start my first day at work with fever and a runny nose \ud83e\udd72"], ["Starting with a problem at works, such a nice way to start new year"], ["Trying to register PADU but didn't receive the OTP on time. haiya. Have been trying since 2pm"], ["Wow Tuesday noon in DT and only 69 comments (ayyyy)\nIs this a DT specific thing, a sub specific thing or a reddit specific thing? Back when I was more active here we would have hit the three figure mark by now.", "It's a DT specific thing. Why?\nBecause Reddit decided yet again to make unnecessary changes a year ago, which resulted in pinned posts being automatically collapsed within a community after a redditor made two visits to that community. Needless to say, this massively affects the visibility of pinned post.\nOur traffic stats show that the number of subscribers/visitors have returned to pre 3rd party app debacle.", "I think the numbers went down a lot ever since the 3rd party thing came about from reddit. Which is a shame, back during covid it would have easily been three figures like you said", "At one point we were consistently hitting 800 comments during MCO. A shame indeed.\nhardly recognise all the names here except for the resident one or two.", "Quick, share ketiak pic to garner attention.", "After u became inactive, DT no longer meriah huhu"], ["I'm going to try watching Pride and Prejudice later today after being... influenced. Should I go for the modern one with keira knightley or the older one with colin firth?", "1995 BBC version with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle! This is hands down the best adaptation of P&P."], ["Can I opt out of padu? I'm b40 and I don't trust this government (under any party) with my data. Since as long as I can remember, data leaks happen every year and they haven't done a thing about it.", "actually me too, no confidence on goverment's competency to safeguard my data regardless of who's at the helm, I'll delay register until absolutely necessary"], ["Anyone travelled to Japan recently? Any idea of costs of travel recently? Thinking of bringing the kids in 2024, thinking whether 30-40k enough for a family of 4 for about 7-10 days"], ["Got invited to an indian colleague\u2019s wedding this march! This is my first and would like to know how much is usually the \u2018ang pow\u2019 money for the newly weds? TIA!"], ["New job confirmed I'd be working there but only gives offer letter after I start working there. While still having my current job.", "A bit sus but not out of the ordinary. My first job was like that, I only received the offer letter on the first day.\n2nd company onwards, I received the offer letter before joining.", "no offer letter no job.", "Big sus there. Should get official offer letter well before starting your new job"], ["I found a ring in his bedroom. I was not snooping. Nope. The ring was not his size.\nI talked about our impending separation and that upset him. Instead of going to sleep like a normal person, he held me in his arms in the dark. When I woke up in the morning, he resumed the conversation and confronted me, asking why I believe I have to let him go. Apparently he didn't sleep at all and was just rumminating over my words.\nI said I wouldn't and just left the apartment.\nKinda confused but I have an exam tomorrow so it's a good excuse to not dwell on this."], ["if there is an MCU superhero power i would want it would be ant man\ni can buy a small condo and feel like i own a bangaloo", "really? not ironman? rich af? not doctor strange? ability to turn back time, open portal, or like, scarlet witch? literally create alternate realities?", "I'd like time-freezing powers please."], ["<image>\nWhat does this mean guys ? Its RHB Now and i want to bank-in money", "Repeat monthly payment on set date.", "It means do you want to set up that particular payment as monthly payment;\nevery month same day transfer same amount to that particular account", "So its more like credit card installment but with flexible date?\nSo in case, i should check daily recurring then? But the date to end it max 3 days, cant set it to the same day i make payment.", "err, that's too much information to rely on random reddit user.\nI don't know too much about the details of your payment, so I'll refrain from commenting further. Much better if you actually ask someone you know offline or the bank's office."], ["Hey guys, just a quick one. My sister recently lost her Myve's spare key. It's the NFC type one. Is it possible to just clone the original key and keep it for spare key because an original replacement would cost Rm900. Thxx for the help", "You need to report the lost key or if your car ever gets stolen your insurance can dismiss your case.", "Thxx for the advice. Will get her to make the police report ASAP"], ["I find it funny I spend more time on Reddit at work on weekdays compared to when I'm at home or over the weekends.", "You should also berak on work, so you are paid to berak.:26554:", "The wise man poop on company time", "boss make a dollar i make a dime\nThat's why I browse reddit on company time", "isnt that the only time we are allowed to reddit??", "Same"], ["Can Waze fail to detect AES and alert you beforehand? I noticed while driving southbound on the NSE, passing by several AES locations, that some didn't appear in the app. Could it be that the AES units were offline?\nPreviously, the app would typically display AES locations a few kilometers before reaching them, providing an alert. However, it seems that this feature hasn't been working as reliably lately.", "much easier to pay attention to the yellow AES sign on the highway, the camera is setup after the third yellow AES sign", "Are these new AES location? Waze might not have been udpated yet.\nI still find roughly memorizing the AES location is better than relying on Waze. Also there are those large yellow \"Zon Operasi Kamera\" signboards 3 times before the actual camera.", "yep this. also the green signs for Zon Operasi Kamera are old AES that are no longer in use."], ["What time is the PADU launching?", "12.30 - 1pm\nhttps://twitter.com/EkonomiMalaysia/status/1741833916720500747\nhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCw53RybkAAqt64?format=jpg&name=large\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24BphCOdC7M", "Thanks!"], ["prime minister controlled by shamans\nopposition leader get stabbed in the neck\nman politic at what we thought a first world country was wild", "prime minister controlled by shamans\nkorea is like kdrama max"], ["Jan 2nd and i already broke my ny resolution -.-", "What was it \ud83d\ude02", "No kepoh\u2026 but I\u2019m a curious cat \ud83d\ude14", "Is the kepoh worth it though?", "Not even\u2026 double regretti spaghetti \ud83d\ude14", "Very much a friend's episode where Chandler traded Ross's taco story for a shitty one \ud83d\ude02", "ross\u2019s taco story\nshitty\nWas that intentional \ud83d\ude02", ":pika-haha:"], ["I think we should go Thorium guys\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U434Sy9BGf8"], ["Selipar Adidas kena rembat semalam. Now just wear Asadi. Sad.", "Never spend more than rm20 for slippers.", "even asadi cost more than rm20 now"], ["2024 is the year I turn 30.\nTook stock of my life, and I think I'm doing okay. I have a job I love (though extremely difficult at times), been happily married for coming up to 6 years, and we're doing okay financially. Some aspects can be improved upon, but it is what it is."], ["Need help with my monitor please\ud83d\ude2d\n<image>\nAs you can see in the picture, when I scroll down and up, the white invincible thing is gone, but after a while it's back especially when I am watching videos. It's really affecting my watching experience. Does anyone know how to solve this issue or have the same problem as me?", "Check your settings if you have some sort of auto brightness / emulated HDR on ..\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fCH1bxS0wg&ab_channel=Britec09\nIt could also be settings on the monitor itself.", "From /r/monitors\n<image>", "Here's a sneak peek of /r/Monitors using the top posts of the year!\n#1: Once you go OLED, you never go back. | 303 comments\n#2: RTINGS issues statement on Dough Spectrum QHD 280hz | 91 comments\n#3: Decisions were made... | 35 comments\nI'm a bot, beep boop | Downvote to remove | Contact | Info | Opt-out | GitHub"], ["I swear, my arms are more vascular irl. Somehow taking the picture kinda \"smooths\" it out.\nFirst working day of the year and I already woke up late for work lol."], ["Is walking path from Hang Tuah station to Merdeka MRT sheltered?", "It used to be partially sheltered - there was coverings along Jalan Hang Jebat for pedestrians but it wasn't all the way.\nI'm not sure about the situation now with the construction of the Merdeka 118 tower.", "pretty sure it's not. plaza rakyat to merdeka is tho"], ["So it's 2nd Jan and I'm curious about PADU\n..... and the website doesn't load lol", "Sorry but what\u2019s the PADU about? Just saw some tweets but still isn\u2019t very clear what\u2019s it about", "Data centralisation for a better targeted subsidy", "The portal will only be brought online after the launch ceremony this afternoon.", "Would we even be able to access the website as there would be a lot of people trying to register?", "That would probably be a seperate issue. Personally, I\u2019d wait till tonight/this weekend to check out the system. There\u2019s no particular rush to update at this point of time."], ["Anyone know how to handle bedbugs? I want to seek professional help, but everyone in my house is refusing to face the reality of it My father refuse to seek professional and instead spray paint thinner and pesticides on every surface imaginable, including table and bed. My mother refused to even entertain the idea of bedbugs and just complaints of my father complaint.", "Diatomaceous earth - 100% guaranteed will work. Some bedbugs have built up resistance against pesticides so that will not work.", "This lol, My apartment was covered in DE for a month. You want to use the nuclear option, you have to commit.\nNo bed bugs anymore.", "DIY bedbug spray using natural ingredients is less hazardous and smells nicer.\nSpread out a smelly blanket over the bed and put flypaper traps under it.\nSeal the mattress inside an airtight mattress protector for 1 month+, then all you need to deal with are the bedbugs hiding in the bed frames and pillows.\nMove the bed away from the walls or furniture. If it has legs, use this. Replace baby powder with diatomaceous earth.\nI got rid of my bedbug problem the hard way; catching one bug at a time whenever I feel a bite.", "Thanks for the tips, but I need to deal with my narcissistic father who think his chemical can solve everything and my mother who actively want to keep the bedbugs first.", "Btw, my mother got bitten by bedbugs too but she say she rather keep them than doing anything if it causes suffering to my father. I'm not gonna see the bug gone soon"], ["Sometimes I am pissed off at the fact that I am sane and sound when I am not manic. I am sane, and I remember the insane and dysfunctional shit I did. Which brings me shame and guilt. \ud83d\ude2c Yay. \ud83d\ude2c How fun. \ud83d\ude2c\nAh, every person has a burden in their life or something. At least I'm not being bombed by missiles and snipers. I'm just a crazy person in a stable country. \ud83d\ude01", "It's me, hi, I'm the problem it's me,\nEverybody agrees, everybody agreesssss \ud83d\udc0d\ud83d\udc0d\ud83d\udc0d", "Why do I have a conscience. It's not fun having a conscience.\nWhy can't I commit to being a crazy clown full-time."]]}
+{"title": "Needs further investigation", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vtfb5/needs_further_investigation/", "num_comment": 24, "flairlabel": [], "header": "Today i spotted a female beggar around KLCC with her child. Shocked bc i saw her sit her kid upright then push him back down repeatedly in a way that may or may not cause brain damage. Or they could be just playing, i can't tell but it certainly is a little suspicious. If any of you see her around, then probably pay some attention so we can figure out if the authorities should get involved.", "comments": [["Look I am a cold hearted mf who won't give a single cent to even charity BUT\nSmartphones aren't that rare or hard to come by, but then again I know their prolly leeches who use other kindness to live off of and looks kinda high spec phone for \" beggers\"."], ["Used to have so many of these purportedly Rohingya beggars around Ampang Point area but lately their numbers have declined quite significantly. Then just as I thought at long last the problem has been tackled professionally by the authorities they suddenly resurface in numbers in and around KLCC. Saw a bunch of their kids begging from one cafe to another inside the mall last Saturday.", "there are many of them on roads near traffic lights too. kids are walking in the middle of the road with no spacial awareness and knock your window when the light turns red"], ["thats why I never give them a single cent ever"], ["She is texting their group \"harini manyakk buley itu malaysia punya orang sanad sanad baik kasi itu wang, ayuh lipak cafe itu petang aaa\""], ["she got a smartphone...wow", "A phone is ubiquitous and necessary. That\u2019s not the issue here", "It is an issue, there are cheap phones like what old people still use. The one she use looks new one probably bought using the donation money", "Theres a super cheap touch screen newer looking smart phones too"], ["Not Malaysian. And to think our border patrol is SOOOOO weak of taking care our border. No forward thinking or continuous improvement."], ["Dude, most phones these days are smart phones.. whats the problem?", "Read the description it aint about the phone."], ["She has an iPhone 15 pro", "I doubt that. Curved screen, should be an Android."], ["a black person? this is typical MO. children are used to raise pity & they blatantly deceive peeps (e.g. lipat tangan, balut/ bandage tapi expose siku, supaya nampak macam disabled). best to report em \ud83d\udcaf idk the right channels though", "Maybe I should go to KLCC to beg while recovering from a broken wrist :26557:", "you can try \ud83d\ude02 malaysians are very kind. now im reminded of that pissed restaurant in jb", "Oh yeah that one, that particular one has had enough", "We sure are. Went to the bank to withdraw some cash and with my busted right hand I had a hard time getting the card out getting the money into my wallet and etc. They asked if I needed help with concerned faces. I was grateful but also livid that they saw me as an OKU :26557:\nMalaysians are so kind and helpful :29091:"], ["Leave her alone man"], ["Reminds me of that time i was told these beggars organised and has targeted spots around kl"], ["Some people even here are the reason why there's syndicate deploying beggars. Minimal effort for sympathy to get people to open their wallet. They could beg while carrying a gucci bag and still get money."], ["Are these rohinya beggars?"], ["yall can we stop talking abt the phone. actually im more concerned abt the child so if there's rly abuse going on i'm considering calling cps fr"]]}
+{"title": "Experts say Bumiputeras moving away from traditional professions | The Malaysian Insight", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wdm6b/experts_say_bumiputeras_moving_away_from/", "num_comment": 16, "flairlabel": ["Economy & Finance"], "header": "", "comments": [["What is traditional proffesion?\nBuruh, nelayan dan juga petani?", "Why did I immediately sing this instead of recite this. \ud83d\ude05", "You probably teringat Jonny Sins too.", "I thought is gov servant", "Gaya hidup kini dah berubah,", "Anak-anak terasuh mindanya", "Lahir generasi tiktok influencer~", "Alam siber teknologi terkini!"], ["TL;DR social media influencers because they make more money faster.\nedit: \u2018traditional professions\u2019 in this article refer to the Asian patents\u2019 trifecta of Doctor, Engineer and Architect.", "Can't blame them we are not being paid enough, a lot below market rate."], ["Make more money good. Tax going up, subsidy cut, if not how?"], ["I have too many questions about the assumptions and baseline to make a fair judgment so I'm not even going to try."], ["The melayu paradox : only 30% bumi in accounts , bad.. 90% bumi in medical = good"], ["I mean what's wrong with choosing high income \"jobs\" ? I think people are mostly interested by the freedom that these job provide imo because its technically like a business which makes sense why it produce lotsa income"], ["Yeah because your boss gives you rm20 expect you to live a year with it ,maybe some leftover for next year aswell"], ["\u201cCareer imbalance will contribute to economic imbalance issues. We need to ensure that the gap between ethnic groups cannot be too wide because when a particular career is monopolised by one ethnic group, unity issues will arise,\u201d he told Bernama.\n\u201cCareer imbalance will contribute to economic imbalance issues. We need to ensure that the gap between ethnic groups cannot be too wide because when a particular career is monopolised by one ethnic group, a certain political party will use it as a weapon to marginalise that ethnic group to its advantage.\"\nFTFY."]]}
+{"title": "PADU would be available to update starting 2 January 2024.", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vwque/padu_would_be_available_to_update_starting_2/", "num_comment": 1, "flairlabel": [], "header": "", "comments": [["No thank you, I don't want to support them turning the country into surveillance state."]]}
+{"title": "Is it a good idea to use the public toilet as an emergency shower?", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wdgxn/is_it_a_good_idea_to_use_the_public_toilet_as_an/", "num_comment": 14, "flairlabel": ["Tourism & Travel"], "header": "Edit: landlord just advised water will come back soon. Thanks everyone!\nI'm traveling in KL but my hotel building has no water access for some reason. I also couldn't find any gym nearby. But there's a shopping mall so I thought maybe I could use the water tap in the toilet cube as an option? I hope this won't cause trouble for the cleaner. The toilet area seems to be properly waterproofed with floor waste so I hope it's OK?", "comments": [["Don't use the shopping mall toilet please. There are some R&R places along the highways that have shower cubicle. Use that.", "yeap those are meant for long haul truckers and such so please use those"], ["Get another hotel. I\u2019ve never heard of a hotel with no water and public toilet is not made for public showering. Just a bad idea"], ["Go to nearby RnR, they have showers there. Also, ask for refund and change hotel."], ["Some surau and Mosque do have shower with them. Not all though, but big Mosque will always have as far as I remember."], ["Change hotels"], ["You sound like you\u2019re asking because you\u2019re a considerate person.\nJust push as much water as you can down the drain and tell the cleaner so. Or wipe it dry with a lot of tissue papers.\nOther people do worse so you\u2019re ahead if you take the necessary considerate steps."], ["If youre in Kampung Baru area. There\u2019s a gym near Hospital Kuala Lumpur. It\u2019s called as Body Hack. No need to enter the gym but there IS a toilet/shower room in there that you can use"], ["Lmao lmao lmao\nPpl done this since 2000s"], ["Most badminton courts and community halls have shower available."], ["What kind of a hotel where there\u2019s no water access? Usually there\u2019s a backup"], ["RnR or mosque would be a better option. If truly desperate i think its fine for a quick shower but do explain to the cleaner."], ["OP are you using an Airbnb?", "Yes I am"]]}
+{"title": "Occupational therapy in Johor", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vxper/occupational_therapy_in_johor/", "num_comment": 0, "flairlabel": ["Education"], "header": "Hi everyone, does anyone know any good occupational therapy centres in Johor Bahru?\nThere are a few kids I know that can\u2019t read even at the age of 10-11. At this rate, they\u2019ll end up illiterate as adults even though they\u2019re attending international schools.\nThanks in advance!", "comments": []}
+{"title": "MP compares Nurul Izzah to Benazir Bhutto, proposes she leads PKR in GE16", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18w06ir/mp_compares_nurul_izzah_to_benazir_bhutto/", "num_comment": 44, "flairlabel": ["Politics"], "header": "Hassan Karim says the party vice-president is \u2018prime minister material\u2019.", "comments": [["Yes. Benazir Bhutto Pak Hang", "Lol.. bhutto jokes I have been waiting for..."], ["Not sure if he was being a sycophant or sarcastic here. Surely, Anwar and Izzah aren't as bad as Zulfikar-Benazir or Sukarno-Megawati yeah?\nShould've given a more valid comparison smh", "like who, Yingluck Shinawatra? /s"], ["Nepo baby who singlehandedly lost the seat her family felt they had a divine right to is somehow being touted as a PM candidate. Meme levels of political commentary lol.", "You know what's funny about that is she's still acting like the MP at Permatang Pauh simply because a lot of people there asking for her help because they don't know where the PN MP's office lol.\nThere was a case earlier this year that she helped getting some new bikes for a group of neighbours where their bikes had been burned.\nThe PN MP came and offered a prayer.\nA prayer.", "PN would say the prayers worked then. They got their bikes. Mission accomplished!", "To them, that was the best thing they could have given to their malay voters.", "R\u00e9sum\u00e9 [1]:\nAhli Parlimen Permatang Pauh\nCEO Yayasan Darul Hadis Al Filfilaniyyah\nBekas Eksekutif Zakat Pulau Pinang\nPendakwah\nExco Dewan Pemuda Pas Negeri Pulau Pinang\nExco Dewan Pemuda Pas Kawasan Permatang Pauh\nAhli Jawatankuasa Lajnah Keahlian Ulamak Pelapis\nPenasihat Majlis Ilmu Pulau Pinang\nPenasihat Sekolah Rendah Intergrasi Teras Islam (SRITI) Darul Hadis\nAhli Lembaga Pengarah Maahad Tahfiz Kejai\nChildren [2]:\n11\n[1] https://pru.sinarharian.com.my/calon/5097/muhammad-fawwaz-mohamad-jan\n[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Fawwaz_Mohamad_Jan\nTrivia: he is age 40, which means he has been actively building his family in the last 10 years.", "last time i mentioned nurul izzah as YB who didnt do they job i got downvoted to hell.", "dah kalah baru nak promote buat kerja supaya fans boleh justify lmao:26554:", "...and yet they still voted for PN in the state elections.", "It means that MP is actually doing a good job. No propaganda.", "An effective MP is one who both walks the talk and talks the walk. Need to do both.", "They prefer someone boleh baca doa hahaha", "Any proof or source for this? Because this is what joceline tan have to say about the PN\u2019s assemblyman in permatang pauh constituency.\n\u201cThat was until he was called out by Seberang Jaya assemblyman Izhar Shah Arif Shah, a first-time assemblyman who has shown that voters made the right decision in choosing him.\nThe Bersatu Youth Chief in Permatang Pauh has set up a hotline and crisis management centre involving the residents associations, mosque/surau groups and the Village Development and Security Commission to help monitor and manage the impending water cut.\nHe is also trying to rent two private sector water tankers as a backup to the state tankers.\n\u201cThe Hindus in my constituency will be celebrating Ponggal on Jan 15. I want to make sure they have water to clean their house and prepare for their new year.\n\u201cI also want to propose that the water tankers be equipped with GPS tracking so that their schedule and location can be shared for residents to know when to start waiting. It is pitiful to see long lines of people waiting in the night for the tankers,\u201d said Izhar Shah.\nWater, said Izhar Shah, is a security issue and more measures need to be put in place.\u201d", "I mean..\nThose are two different people\nOne is a celebrity preacher\nThe other is actually a son of an ex-ADUN from that same place.", "Two different people lah", "Excellent job she start doing grassroots work after losing. During her MP days, busy ceramah here fireside chat there. And tbh, this supposed PM candidate, where do I find her views on the economy? Policy recommendations? Where does she stand on possible reintroduction of GST? Views on M'sia-China relations?", "She and her team at Permatang Pauh is always at work. Lagi2 during her days as MP.\nThat's why till now people still comes at her khidmat masyarakat office and asks for help. Rakyat nak cari MP Fawwaz pun office tak tau kat mana, klu jumpa pun dia tak boleh buat apa2 lol.\nAlso why you're mad? PKR never tauted her as PM candidate. The timbalan is Rafizi. The next in line would be him not Izzah.", "Who said I'm mad lol. I'm more amused at the analyst who made this claim. And also not very impressed w NI generally. No doubt she very nice, likeable, but seems to have minimal substance"], ["I don't think Izzah wants people to compare her to the politician who was assassinated by the Islamist."], ["I actually think nurul is the 1 running mof right now. Anwar just sign off whatver nurul gives him.\nI believe nurul was actually the 1 anwar wants to be minister of finance. But he knows full well it wont go well politically. So, he just puts himself as mof, but the one actually running it in the shadows is nurul.", "Don\u2019t mind you shitting on politicians but what is your source? If no source then you 2x5 saja with whatever PAS is spewing", "Which part of \"I think\" do you not understand?", "Your \u2018I think\u2019 might be valuable to conspiracy theorists but having discussions based on facts would be more helpful in understanding the situation better.", "Wrll, she is part of the special advisory body in mof which would \"advise\" the minister on mof matters.", "She's there for the salary/allowances.\nIn all the years she has been active, I haven't heard her speak on policy. Let alone financial policy. So no, I don't think she is capable of running MOF. If she is running MOF we are fucked.\nShe is good at making promises about Radiohead though. Zero follow through.", "I dont think so. If thats the case, she should just remain as anwar's economic advisor.\nOfficially, she joined the advisory board due to the invitation of Hassan Marican, officially the head of the board. But lets be real here, go google who are the board members. They are all prominent figures in the business world. Theres really no reason for marican to invite nurul who is just a former MP.\nIm sure anwar puts her there for a reason.", "Yes. There is no reason for her to be invited. Anwar put her there because she is his daughter.", "i would say something like: \"she was there so she dont fall to irrelevancy due to the seat she lost\"\nsaying she just there for the paycheck is kindda sad:26554:", "She doesn't have a job outside being an MP", "Your assumption is completely inaccurate.", "I actually think nurul is the 1 running mof right now. Anwar just sign off whatver nurul gives him.\nHuh, yet radiohead concert still looks to be even further away /s", "Anwar had been wanting to be the Prime Minister for 24 years. And decades before that, he was piecing together his reform ideas since his student activist days. He\u2019s not a lame-duck or a puppet minister.\nIf you\u2019ve watched any of his speeches, there would be pregnant pauses and some mumbling because he was still putting together his thoughts into words while he was speaking or thinking of a better word to use. Anwar isn\u2019t like some past Prime Ministers that just recited the text written for them word by word. If Anwar is very hands-on with something minor as his speeches, do you think he will let other people do the major decisions on his behalf?\nYou\u2019re overestimating the Advisory Committee to the Finance Minister\u2019s (ACFIN) powers, the committee that Izzah serves as its co-head secretariat. ACFIN is basically a body that does research and gives recommendations on strategic changes to fiscal policies and the Treasury, like a consulting firm. And ultimately, Anwar makes the decision on whether to implement the recommendations. Without giving more details, I can tell you that not everything that ACFIN had advised the MoF to do was approved by Anwar.\n(Bonus) I didn\u2019t want to point out earlier the fallacy in your prior conspiracy theory that it was the DAP that is running the government, but I really have to call you out because you have this insistence that Anwar is a puppet minister. You said the DAP was in control, yet you said it sent its lower-ranked politicians to make noise in public about things the DAP didn\u2019t get. So, if the DAP was running the government, why isn\u2019t it getting to do whatever it wants?\nI really hope that you can start to accept other people\u2019s arguments and explanations whenever you make wild assumptions online. The purpose of a discourse is to learn from each other, not to turn it into an ego-stroking contest and a chance to spread falsehoods.", "1) sorry, cant accept this argument as its more of words from a blind supporter. Im sure as many can agree with me, anwar has no idea where to bring this country. Those past 2 decades are only him wanting to be PM. Theres no reform idea.\n2) actually, anwar had used to just talking whatever he wants, wether its truth or even lies. As shown in his early days as PM, there were some instances that what he said does not go well with the facts. As an opposition this can be just overlooked, but as a PM, there will be peoples double checking whatever he says. And at times what he says backfired on him. I believe he learned that mistake so now he has to be careful with what he says.\n3) people who works in the gov or even have dealt with government, would know, influence can overcome position. Yes, anwar will be the 1 that approves things, but if he trusts his daughter, he would just accept whatever nurul says. Anwar is holding the PM position and already have lots on his plate as is. You think he got time to go through things that happen in mof? Thats why he needs someone he trusts there.\n4) I wouldnt say anwar is a puppet minister. But I see him as someone that would do anything to stay in power.", "", "Ah, no wonder that number 1 statement has a strong blind supporter vibe. Hahaha.\nAnd you actually expect me to believe what you say?", "Suka hati kau lah nak percaya apa-apa. Tak affect pun kerja aku.", "You do know your job depends entirely on peoples perception of your boss right?", "Kalau orang degil macam kau taknak percaya pape pun, kitorang buat pape pun takde guna. Kalau kau cybertrooper lagi takde masa aku nak layan kau.", "Then dont entertain me. No one is forcing you. I gave my opinion, and it got you triggered.\nIm not the problem here bro.", "I\u2019m not triggered. I was trying to make a clarification on your conspiracy theories. I already said I was done, and then you challenged me saying I didn\u2019t do my job well."], ["Ale uto..."]]}
+{"title": "Malaysia set to lose 2.3m hectares due to deforestation", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vtmks/malaysia_set_to_lose_23m_hectares_due_to/", "num_comment": 0, "flairlabel": ["Environment"], "header": "", "comments": []}
+{"title": "We really should be more hyping the fact that our National team is about to play in a major international tournament in a few days", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vwvj0/we_really_should_be_more_hyping_the_fact_that_our/", "num_comment": 47, "flairlabel": ["Sports"], "header": "Regardless of what your opinion is on our National team\u2019s quality and how well they\u2019ll do in the tournament, we need to go all out and support them. If not, who will??", "comments": [["Back when DUNHILL used to sponsor Selangor, there were match schedules EVERYWHERE at all the mamak and kopitiam selling cigarettes\nDUNHILL used to plonk M-League on local TV all the time, with lots of adverts in the newspapers, local magazines and tv1\nThese new sponsors don't do squat\nEvery single time Malaysia attempts to bypass mediocrity, they just revel in the moment instead of planning for the future\nWe had the BEST F1 back in the 90s, with hotels, bars, clubs all chiming in. You had F1 cars in hotels, clubs. F1 drivers partying in KL. Merchandise sold in Bukit Bintang. But towards the latter years, no one bothered to promote anything"], ["This is the second Asian Cup after expanding to 24 teams from 16 teams, with 6 groups of 4.\nTop 2 of each group will progress to the Round of 16.\nThe best 4 3rd-place teams will also join the 12 teams above.\nMalaysia is in the same group as Jordan, Bahrain and South Korea. We play those 3 in that order.\nCan basically forget about getting anything from South Korea, just hope Son Heung-min don't score more than 1. Though our coach Kim Pan-gon (KPG) used to be youth coach for South Korea himself, so that might count for something.\nUnder KPG our FIFA ranking has actually gone up due to us qualifying for the Asian Cup for the first time since 1980 (2007 doesn't count since we were joint hosts).\nFor a football minnow nation like us, we should be aiming for at least 1 of these 3 objectives:\nScore at least 1 goal overall. And if we are to lose, try not to concede more than 3 goals per match.\nGet at least 1 point (i.e. 1 draw, even a 0-0 counts towards that. We got 0pts in 2007)\nTry to finish 3rd and hope we're good enough as one of the 4 best 3rd-place teams, to give us another match in the knockout rounds (though nobody dare to hope for more afterwards)\nWill probably catch the highlights for the matches (if we don't get thrashed too badly), but as others have said, this isn't exactly the WC, and many of us are still more interested in higher quality competitions like the English Premier League and UEFA Champions League.\nIt will take Malaysia progressing from the group stage in order to heighten awareness for this tournament."], ["because the result will speak for themselves. keep winning and the hype will come naturally. sabah football team did just that.", "Sabah has been really impressive last year, especially in AFC Cup. Hope they remain as title (or more realistically 2nd place) challengers for the next few seasons", "Yeah I followed Cheah Liek Khou closely before the recent Paralympics and his noteriety was niche right until his performance in that badminton match. Soon enough I saw him racking a SHIT ton of supporters and followers overnight after he won."], ["Just air it on RTM for free like the ol day", "sekarang dah takde kat rtm ke?", "most of the time arena took the airing right"], ["Yeah we should. Asian Cup is the highest achievable spot for us imo."], ["FAM macam biasa la. Patut ada tournament jersey, but they\u2019ll be using the same old one. Cam bangang.", "man fuck nike we really should use local brand like thailand", "Fam just dont care"], ["tbh as a football fan, I can't wait!! I'll go crazy if Arif Aiman blazes past Kim Min-jae and the Korean defense.\nI just don't have the funds to fly to Qatar......", "blazes past Kim Min-jae and the Korean defense\nand then the ball trickles out for a goal-kick, because our players' ball control suck.\nStill cannot forget one such incident so many years ago, where our senior players play like school kicks, with flying kicks when challenging for 50-50 waist high balls.\nWe look amateurish because we were all brought up on a diet of Premier League, La Liga, etc."], ["ill be blunt\n- winning the tournament doesn't book a slot to world cup\n- the match where HM beat kyrgyzstan was for wc qualification round, hence the louder noise\n- even without malaysia participation, do you watch Asian Cup?\ncomparing with world cup hype is like between apple and oranges. euro or copa america would make much sense, as its the same level of major competition within region.\nthat said, i believe the squad will do its best to gain as much international experience as they can. real test is on the WC quals which involves 4-5 phases depending on achievements. although you can say Asian Cup would be a testament on the actual level of our national team."], ["Don\u2019t have much expectation for them. But go go Harimau Malaya\u2764\ufe0f"], ["Me, not a football fan, I don't get the excitement, but would be happy to sit down and watch our boys play, anytime."], ["Tournament tak start lagi nak hype apa. Dekat seminggu nanti baru la start borak", "I mean the tournament is just two weeks away and its the first time malaysia is playing the tournament after around 40 years so yeah we should be excited as hell. Dalam thread tu sendiri ada cakap asian cup ni macam euro or copa america so betul juga post tu.", "Takde content lagi kot nak sembang. Boleh sembang pun prediction siapa lepas grp stage, formation apa nak main. Nanti lepas arif aiman kitai kim min jae atau dion cools parap heung min son baru aa rancak borak", "Tak perlukan sangat pun \u2018content\u2019 probably just more ads here and there pasal national team kita dah memadai. Mana ada nampak ads pasal asian cup ni dekat mana mana. Mamak pun tak gantung poster. Lagi lagi for those yang tak follow closely mana nak kenal players kita sekarang. Takut ada yang ingat fakri saarani masih main je", "Betul juga tu. Tv mmg tak byk iklan tapi kalau podcast local bola byk dah start sembang sejak disember rasanya. Org yg tgk bola je yg tau rasanya", "Ya tu maksud saya boss. Kalau memang yang follow bola memang dah tahu tapi no general ads macam billboard tepi jalan for example. Orang follow bola shouldnt be the target audience"], ["Tengok JDT penuh stadium, tengok Piala Asia? it is more emptier than Times Square's malls LOL."], ["We really should be more hyping...\nNah.. zero hype for me. Don't even watch world cup or any football league.", "Then youre not the target audience la der"], ["We should just focus on sports we're good at like Badminton, Hockey and Takraw. Be like Indian and Pakistan, they focus more on crickets than football.\nMalaysian football is a waste of investment. No big European club will pay Malaysian club millions for our players", "a \"waste of investment\" is always a sustained commitment away from being a gold mine.\nLook at JDT, the most dominant team in Malaysia; I don't really like the team that much because they seem to always win, but kudos to TMJ - the sustained commitment he made towards that team, means that:\nthey go out of their way to build world-class facilities (e.g. new stadium and modern training centre) for the players,\nthey hire well-known proven coaches from overseas (e.g. Esteban Solari who was assistant coach for Argentina youth national team),\nthey bring in well-known high quality foreign players (e.g. Mauricio, Forestieri - they have played actively in Top 5 European leagues before coming to JDT)\nthey naturalize foreign players who come here to play long term (e.g. Sumareh),\nthey recruit good players with Malaysian ties to come play for club and country (e.g. Corbin-Ong),\nand build strategic partnerships with European teams (Dortmund) to further improve their team.\nIn the end, both the club and the national team improve tremendously as a result of good players, coaches, facilities and methodologies, and other teams are inspired to follow suit and play catch-up with JDT, who are praised as pioneers and visionaries.\nNow JDT is highly regarded as one of the best teams in Southeast Asia, and have enjoyed great success in local and regional competitions.\nAs for the million dollar player thing, thanks to these investments in coaching and training, JDT has uncovered many great talent from within the country, most notably Arif Aiman who is gaining attention from big Asian clubs in Japan, Korea...... etc due to his performances in regional competitions.\nSo why not make that commitment? Don't avoid it because no one has ever done it before and you're scared of failing, do it to show them how they can do it themselves.", "All the effort just to be the #130 team in the world? Why be number 130th in football when we can be top 10 in hockey, badminton, takraw or other sports we actually good at? We shouldn't overspend on football development but let it progress naturally", "We are #130 but we are punching well above our weight class at times. Compared to where we were a few years ago being 160th and below, this is a massive improvement.\nfor me \"natural progress\" is basically another term for \"leaving it to rot\". Modern sports is about the money; without substantial, long-term investment and dedication, you cannot expect huge improvements like what we saw with the national team.", "Even with the wealth that the Saudis have, they'll never be as good as other poorer nation like Morocco, Algiers and Senegal. We lose financially against richer nation. We also lose talent wise against poorer nations. The best solution is to let the sports grow naturally. If it were meant to rot, so be it.", "Look at Japan, their national football team is going nowhere before 1990. But they succeeded due to good spending, proper planning. Football in Malaysia is still on entry level. More money have to spend for the development. We as fans could contribute by supporting local football teams first. (Entered three games last season for Liga Super)", "So this is just what you wanna learn from Soviet Union or China? They get lots of medals from sports that are not popular in the world. It\u2019s ridiculous when we think of overspending on certain sports. Let\u2019s be honest football is no 1 sports in the world and the popularity of it is simply overwhelming.\nWell for me sports is not medal oriented but more on the cultural side. We should promote more badminton, hockey and takraw. But look at the fan base, pretty sure football and badminton are top tier in Malaysia.", "Even without Johor big expenditure, football would still remain popular or number 1 sports in Malaysia.", "One of the most popular, if not THE most popular and competitive internationally, we were riddled with incompetency and corruption. Our youth were actually world class level but can't transition into senior due to mismanagement (You can check their accomplishment). We were stagnant and deteriorating, we were at #178 in the ranking and we push through and get our shit together to climb up to #130 in the world, winning majority of our match last year against county that is higher ranked than us and as much as I am neutral towards JDT, goddamn they know how to run a football team, becoming a standard, role model and blueprint for our local football team.\nAny analyst would see that we are in an upward trajectory and its just so happen to correlate when our local football quality go up, players fees were settled, corruption were lessen, money were invested, JDT became the shining example of a football club in the whole ASEAN and you want us to stop? Correlation is not causation but what? Coincidences? Japan became a powerhouse in Asia and even surprise Europe due to its 100-Year plan and that's them, Japan and you don't want us to at least have some plan?\nGo \"naturally\"? I guess if the river is full of shit and garbage, might as well let it resolve itself naturally rather than provide awareness campaign, gov funding and action to clean it, community and youth support, proper education and proper maintenance. How people like you actually vote and think how the real world works? Pray and hope for miracles? Just because its not your priority alone, its not in everyone interest? Its all about you? How about others? The majority? Go the easy way out? Back down at the slightest of inconvenience? Just because we can't be the best in the world we should not try? You prefer inaction rather than action? How do you vote? How do you live? How do you dream? How do you achieve something in your life?", "How people like you actually vote and think how the real world works? Pray and hope for miracles? Just because its not your priority alone, its not in everyone interest? Its all about you? How about others? The majority? Go the easy way out? Back down at the slightest of inconvenience? Just because we can't be the best in the world we should not try? You prefer inaction rather than action? How do you vote? How do you live? How do you dream? How do you achieve something in your life?\nI don't vote for FAM in General Election.", ":26563:", "I feel like TMJ\u2019s investment is short sighted. If I have the money he had, I would\u2019ve invested in the Super League as a whole, not just one team. Make the Super League more competitive throughout. Built world-class facilities for all the teams, make all teams able to compete. Once the league is recognized as a good league, the money and players will naturally come in. Investing all in JDT feels like playing FM with unlimited money mod. Sure, you get to build the best team and win all the trophies, but thats it. Roman Abromovich can get away with it because EPL is already an established league, the Malaysian Super League isn\u2019t."], ["This year's edition is gonna be great. Many Asian teams play exciting footy"], ["I don't watch football for quite some time. I'm also not aware who the twitter poster is.\nBtw, are they still hiring foreigners to play for the local team?", "The vast majority of the \"foreigners\" in the local team are born from Chinese mothers and foreign fathers", "Are you sure \"vast majority\" is the right term? Sure some maybe came from the parent you described, but I wouldn't say the majority. I've seen literal caucasian or African european descent play for our local team before.", "You can look lol\nEven the whitiest white or the blackest black in that team claims they have a chinese/sarawakian mother\nOf course la, can claim anything.. but since no proof, who knows", "Lol what. Not gonna spend time to verify their claim."], ["Unpopular take, I care more about Sabah FC than Malaysia National Team, I more passionate about Sabah beat JDT for once which is never than Sabah compete against other foreign club or Malaysia Team win anything. I don't hate my country tho, I just care more about my state club."], ["What do you expect? Duit untuk marketing sudah dimakan. You want to market this, do it yourself la. Post here, post on other social media. As usual, rakyat have to do the job for the gov instead of the other way round."], ["Nowadays it seems There'd be more support if it was the Palestine national team."]]}
+{"title": "PADU: Who is responsible to protect your personal data?", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wauwu/padu_who_is_responsible_to_protect_your_personal/", "num_comment": 2, "flairlabel": [], "header": "", "comments": [["Reject Digital ID"], ["When asked about the cost of development, Rafizi said there are two parts to it. He said the manpower cost is \u201cfree\u201d because it is built by civil servants who have spent the last 7 months developing it on top of their existing tasks\nNow i think this system is 100% fail project. Not only the deadline is short, but they also don't have dedicated team for it. Developing a new app on top of their existing task? Are they working overnight?"]]}
+{"title": "Restore Labuan\u2019s full duty-free status, Putrajaya told", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vyjny/restore_labuans_full_dutyfree_status_putrajaya/", "num_comment": 0, "flairlabel": ["Economy & Finance"], "header": "The Labuan Chinese Chamber of Commerce says the island needs to boost its facilities to woo visitors.", "comments": []}
+{"title": "Malaysian Hindu community perception of Cultured Meat", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vxq4w/malaysian_hindu_community_perception_of_cultured/", "num_comment": 11, "flairlabel": ["Food"], "header": "Hello i\u2019m an undergraduate student, i plan for my research project to be centred around the Malaysian Hindu community\u2019s perception and acceptance of cultured meat. And if i were to do a survey what is the appropriate channel or place i should be spreading my survey to ensure a good amount of participants to represent a good portion of the population \ud83e\udd79\ud83e\udd79 please help guide me thanks a bunch xx", "comments": [["", "Well im doing this research to study the acceptance of cultured meat in malaysia before bringing in cultured meat into the malaysian market. Since religion is a big part of malaysia i decided to study both the muslim and hindu community\u2019s views but i already have the muslim part covered for the survey. Right now im trying to find the best way to get my survey to reach a good amount of audience and hopefully get enough data for my research. I specifically want it to be tied to religion.", "Thank u for responding!"], ["I don't believe we are opposed to consuming cultured meat. A lot of us do eat mock meat made of soy and stuff so I'd say cultured meat would probably be perceived similarly and accepted by the hindus.", "Thank you for responding ! Do u know any places or forums i can spread my survey once im done finalising it to get a good amount of hindu participants? Or should i post here aswell?", "No clue bro, sorry", "Most hindus, won\u2019t mind. Many do consume beef and chicken readily. The ones you have to ask are the \u201cvegetarian Hindus\u201d. And they will not consume it because it\u2019s meat. Most likely.", "Vegetarian Hindus do consume meat made from soy beans. Vegans are a different story though."], ["What\u2019s cultured meat?", "Cultured meat is basically lab-grown meat. Instead of raising and slaughtering animals, scientists use cells from animals to grow muscle tissue in a controlled environment. It's a more sustainable and ethical way to produce meat without the need for traditional farming.", "Really? It\u2019s a thing already? I tot it was still sci-fi and it was very expensive to produce , not to mention, that it becomes a soft blob because , of the atrophy, and unable to mimic the density produced by muscle fibrils?"], ["I'm a Hindu and I don't oppose cultured meat consumption."]]}
+{"title": "MGNews: Lebih 100 PATI Dicekup Dalam Operasi Di Brickfields", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vulbc/mgnews_lebih_100_pati_dicekup_dalam_operasi_di/", "num_comment": 1, "flairlabel": [], "header": "", "comments": [["Looks like the authorities are going to run more ops in the near future."]]}
+{"title": "Visa Agent Recommendation", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vrlv1/visa_agent_recommendation/", "num_comment": 7, "flairlabel": [], "header": "Hi all, I'd like to ask if anyone have any recommendations for visa agent or visa agencies that I can engage with regarding moving my partner, whose currently residing in Canada, to Malaysia where I am living as a citizen. Her situation in Canada isn't looking good, so we're trying our best to move her here as soon as possible.\nWe've done our own research into things and have a general idea of what are the steps we need to take, starting with the Long Term Social Visit pass, however, there are still a lot of details that we've yet to properly understand. Thus, rather than fumbling around, I was thinking of getting professional help.\nIf anyone knows of some places we could go for, please let me know! You can leave a comment or shoot me a DM anytime.\nThank you all!", "comments": [["Spouse visa?", "Yes. That is what we're thinking of.", "Google search for Malaysia expect groups/ fb groups. I think higher chance to get answer there.", "Has your marriage been registered with JPN, Malaysia and if so is the registration more than 6 months old ? This is the 1st step to applying for a long term spouse visa(LTSV). If your marriage has been registered with JPN, Malaysia for more than 6 months than upon entering Malaysia you can apply for a LTSV straight away. If not ,then you have to have your marriage registered with JPN first . Then after the marriage has been duly registered (you will be issued with a marriage Cert) , only after 6 months from the date of registration can the application for LTSV be submitted . If your situation falls into the 2nd category then you have to consider that when your spouse enter Malaysia , she will be permitted to remain for 90 days (I\u2019m assuming she holds a Canadian passport - do check her maximum stay period). This presents some problems which can be resolved in the following manner :- 2-3 days before the 90 days permit is up , go to the Immigration Dept and apply for an extension (they only 1 extension only) of 30 days . Towards the end of the extension period, leave the country for somewhere for a 7-10 days holiday and after this re-enter Malaysia and she gets another 90days stay . At this point , by the end of this new period of 90 days , she would have altogether , 90+30+7+90 = 227 days to remain in Malaysia which is enough to meet the 6 months after marriage registration before can submit application for LTSV. Upon submission , the result of the application will be given within 30 \u201cworking days\u201d. In the above , you have to make sure that her return air ticket (bought initially when coming to Malaysia) must be able to cater for her need to change her return date to the country of origin .\nI will stop here for you to digest the above information. I have not touched on the requirements and the supporting documents to accompany your LTSV application.\nIt\u2019s better for you to know which of the above 2 routes you have to take , can apply straight away or wait .\nWhen you are ready for the nest stage , you can DM me and I will take you through the necessary steps . I can only offer guidance , I\u2019m not in this type of business and what advice and suggestions if you need them are absolutely free of charge .", "Thank you for all the information provided! I will read through and understand this with my partner. Thank you for taking the time to write all these, I appreciate it very much!", "You are welcome , I hope I\u2019m able to lower your level of anxieties in your planning to apply for a LTSV , it\u2019s daunting as the guidelines can be ambiguous. Good luck with your planning.", "Important Correction :- Man (Malaysian) sponsoring wife for LTSV doesn\u2019t have to wait 6 months after registering marriage with JPN , can apply immediately. If it\u2019s woman sponsoring husband then the 6 months rule apply. Sorry for the question. However , the issue is still whether your marriage has been registered in Malaysia. Be prepared to pay a fine if it hasn\u2019t been registered."]]}
+{"title": "Do you all think that these bullshit property agents and nonsense Airbnb management team contribute to the fall in property prices?", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vua0s/do_you_all_think_that_these_bullshit_property/", "num_comment": 35, "flairlabel": ["Economy & Finance"], "header": "", "comments": [["fall in property prices?:26554:", "Correction: not price, but value", "What is value if not market price", "Value is whatever the seller think it is. Market price is what the actual price PAID for it.\nFor example, a house owner think his house is value at RM 1 million / rent should be rm 8k per month. But no buyer/taker. House sit empty until bank foreclosure.", "I see where you\u2019re coming from, but realistically value ought to be marked-to-market to the market price \u2026 unless the owner is actually living in the house and has an opportunity cost of moving that is greater than the market price, for example the house may be sold at 800k, but the cost of moving out/ new house renovation/ settling in etc. has a personal utility worth 200k to the owner, then the owner\u2019s value can differ reasonably from the market\u2019s value. Otherwise I think it\u2019s quite delulu for an owner to have a \u201cvalue\u201d in their mind that is not the market value, if they are not staying in/ actively using that piece of real estate.", "People are not always realistic or reasonable.", "I ain't complaining if property price fell, young people these days need to be able to afford a place to live"], ["I genuinely hope property prices fall much, much more. Right now it is still very expensive in klang valley.", "Unlikely to see major fall in landed housing but the prices have been stagnant for years. You would've made more in fd compared to whatever capital appreciation + rental you gained", "Compared to where? Timor Leste? Compare our property price index vs avg monthly income (property affordability index) Malaysia is still considered very cheap. But if you look at MK or KLCC area then it skews the bell curve", "Very cheap compared to our local salaries?\nYou're nuts", "Honestly he's not entirely wrong. If you compare to other similarly developed city (e.g. Bangkok) we have much better ratio. I was still able to find 450k 718ft condo in PJ area pre-covid.", "Very cheap? It's either too far that it's a freaking time expense or consumes more than minimum wages salary. And I'm considered a Malaysian M40, or Selangor B40."], ["Over supply and low demand causes values to drop. Prices artificially increased because agents kept pushing the prices up to increase their commissions. Now the market is correcting itself."], ["Translation: RM8000+ of pocket money every month for an influencer property in central bukit bintang", "Pocket money\u2026\u2026 sugar baby izit :26562:", "That girl shakes her ass and gets 40k per post"], ["AirBnB actually is bad for local businesses. Businesses such as restaurant, laundry shops, bakery and grocery shops rely heavily on citizens live surroundings.\nKuala Lumpur is a good example for this, AirBnB condos obviously mainly for tourists to staying in. While you think: it\u2019s good cause at least got tourists stay in and contribute to Malaysia economy, yes it is but local businesses are closing down because there are no citizen needs, instead there are more and more souvenir shops, fast foods and etc.\nAlso, the property pricing too. For example in KL, without affordability for majority of citizens, the house will eventually owned by the rich/ the one who can afford. Those people will rent it out as AirBnB to earn profit. This also cause ur an decentralization and people will choose to live in far away from where they work, and stuck in traffic for hours everyday.\nAlso, it heavily affects the hotel industry. AirBnB is cheaper option, so tourist will choose it. Hotel are designated for tourists, and condo are for citizens to live in. Imagine what if one hotel had shut down, how many employees would be affected?\nFuck AirBnb and go to live in hotel room.", "Honestly building a property just for Airbnb purposes is plain stupid and greedy. I previously stayed in one by Exsim and it was horrible. The property literally got into a pretty bad condition after a year of opening (pest, mold, non existent management). Many of the Airbnb guests are not that civilized and the \u201chousekeeping team\u201d they hire barely know what cleaning is about.", "Government have the power to restrict or limit the AirBnB operations in Malaysia. Nga Kor Ming really just try hard looking at clean toilet but ignore the housing issues. There is a condo built entirely for AirBnB??? The housekeeping team also overwork la, not well organized also and less salary.\nStill the AirBnB issues are still not demanding enough for a tiny attention tho (even politicians are likely to have rented their 20th or 30th property with AirBnB also), since it\u2019s unreachable for citizens everyday life but it can deep rooted affect the community and the city.\nWhen it comes to benefit of politicians, citizens suffer.", "States have power to regulate it themselves.\nSee penang", "depending on the amount of people, airbnb is cheaper if you have super large groups. But for solo/duo travellers, a 2-3 star hotel is cheaper. Nowadays abnb is priced like 4-5 star hotels but without the 4 star services", "For us an airbnb is still cheaper than a hotel for a 2 person 1 week trip. The convenience of a kitchen to cook bfast (i cant eat out for bfast every morning, its gross) and a washing machine so we dont need to carry too many clothes is great.\nI rather pay for a 2br airbnb @RM250 than a 1r hotel for RM150.\nThe airbnb management companies tho are fucking ridiculous. So many just leave it all to cleaning staff to manage. The admin team is never present in the building.\nGovt need to step in and regulate. Should always have an overnight team contactable. Should have a government agency to be able to send in formal complaints and concerns. Etc etc"], ["oh this must be referring to the Exsim project Branniganz Suites beside sungai wang. The land is super prime, I believe it's around rm2000/sqft", "Oh it\u2019s from Exsim? Oh then the whole building is going to be an Airbnb place. Avoid this at all cost.", "Yeaaa definitely abnb/shortterm/rentals. Tbh the room sizes are too small(495sqft - 678sqft) to be suitable for family stay, so it'd be obvious that it's geared towards tourist and renting"], ["8k+ allowance whaaat", "Contact this lady if interested", "Typically set up as buy this property under our management (monthly installment RMx000) rental income (monthly RMy000) you get the 'allowance' which is the difference + service charge. Oh, and you are 'allowed' to stay free for some number of days per year, like 10-20 days.\nDo people actually buy these apartments from these service apartment companies because i get a new iklan so often."], ["probably wont fall unless management fees go up or some ownership tax comes to being\na lot of boomers just holding on to their dear depreciations lol", "You can learn more about Georgism, which suggests implementing of Land Value Tax (single tax)based on the idea that taxing according to land value ensures every citizen equally benefits from its appreciation.\nIt combat inequality, as it tax more whoever own land, but based on the value. This tax then benefit all of people. Sounds good right? Politicians own a lot of land so\u2026\ud83e\udd28", "We do have some form of that actually,\nits less so the policy, more so that all policies have pain and malaysians dont like pain."], ["I think they cause the value to go up. Cause when you join them then you will be looking for property which increase demand.", "Then what\u2019s the reason behind Tropicana selling W hotel for a lower expected value?"], ["i think it is the opposite. They contribute to the property speculation and hence higher prices that what the average median income group could afford."]]}
+{"title": "The two new podcast episode by Ong Kian Ming and Tony Pua is interesting to listen to, would recommend more people to check it out.", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vuhgi/the_two_new_podcast_episode_by_ong_kian_ming_and/", "num_comment": 12, "flairlabel": ["Meme Monday"], "header": "", "comments": [["For Malaysian memes every day of the week, please check out c/memeeveryday at our sister community monyet.cc! (why?)\nI am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns."], ["I kena con by TS.\nThe Are We Ok? Podcast is primarily between Ong Kian Ming and the Mr Money TV guy, Peter Yong. Tony is just in the two last episodes.\nIn any case, AWO's reach would be limited by its English and DAP fans circle. KS still has the way bigger reach for using BM. DAP if you want to outreach, use BM more.\nSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6JzzwMmT2fl51wK4pgfqGH?si=6105e3ede27e4e8a"], ["Genuine question,\nWho are these people, and why should I listen to what they have to say?", "The botak on the left is Former bangi MPs Ong Kian Ming ( you may have seen him appear on Keluar sekejap and other podcast) , the one on the right is former Damansara/petaling Jaya MP Tony Pua.\nBoth prominent Malaysian politicians who have garnered considerable attention for their outspokenness and expertise in specific areas. Tony Pua is probably lesser known and unpopular for suggesting PH to give conditional partnership with muhyiddin at the time when muhyiddin was losing his power ( He go into more detail about the rationality of his opinion). In the past, he was very well known for being able to make 1MDB crisis digestible for people who are unfamiliar with the issue and it's seriousness.\nBoth are technocrats in their own right and have the experience and qualification behind their backs. So listening to them talk about politicies is often very interesting.", "ong kian ming is ex-mp who is more invested in urban based need and policies\ntony pua is DAP's Rafizi (formulas):26554:", "Maybe because that's how politics works?"], ["Here are the links\nEpisode 3, talks about why GST Wont Work, the recovery1MDB\u2019s Money, Petrol Subsidy, the jawi issues\nEpisode 4, talks about what happen during sheraton Move, working with Tun M, Removing Toll discussion, the Flaws of Manifesto", "sum it up for us", "Not really sure why my comment is getting downvoted.\nI did summarize what was mentioned in each episodes, There is a shorter video version if you all interested. (Episode 3, episode 4)", "sum it up for us\nOK, here goes. Blah blah blah *yawn* blah blah blah."], ["Why would you post as a meme? I thought you were trolling", "Because, it just so happen to be meme monday so I thought this might promote the podcast. Guess my bad"]]}
+{"title": "How is a mini ironing board from Mr.DIY so expensive?", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18whmtp/how_is_a_mini_ironing_board_from_mrdiy_so/", "num_comment": 7, "flairlabel": ["Economy & Finance"], "header": "A week ago I went to purchase an ironing board for myself and got a mini foldable one (thinking that it would be cheaper than the standard size). Caught me off guard after knowing the price that is RM55.. \ud83e\udd26\nI could have withdrawed myself from purchasing it but dumb of me for not asking the price beforehand. Now I'm feeling regretful and tak puas..sigh has anyone experience like this? it's hard to move on y'all. (When your budget is limited)\ud83e\udee0", "comments": [["Why did you buy the mini ironing board, just get he big one next time so you can put your laundry and procrastinate about ironing them like all of us. /s\nYou are experiencing buyers remorse, welp it will teach you to be a more frugal/smart shopper for the next time.\nIdk if MR DIY got any return policy any other nyeets can share will be great.", "Yeh a 7 day return policy. But I have refrained from it cuz this Mr DIY branch quite far one \ud83d\ude2d\ud83d\ude2d (feels ma fan since I'm relying on public transport)\nI shouldn't even purchase anything far from where I'm living in the first place. \ud83e\udee5 I sort of blindly bought the item and now I'm facing the consequences. Welp, it is what it is.. Thanks tho", "OP. you cannot return. You can only exchange. DIY is celaka like that."], ["There's price stated on the shelf. Please check the price first before buying anything. Also some Mr.DIY shop has price checker scanner. Go find it and use it.", "There weren't price stated on the shelf. And yeah the price scanner thing yo \ud83d\ude2d it slipped my mind. Thanks"], ["How much for the standard size?"], ["just use piled up dry towel like me. saves a ton of $"]]}
+{"title": "Retail Banking Career Path", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wfzes/retail_banking_career_path/", "num_comment": 5, "flairlabel": [], "header": "Hi, I am a recent Bachelor of Accounting and Finance graduate and recently got an offer for a (basically sales position) in personal/retail banking. Essentially my job is to provide advisory services for the bank's products.\nI am open to learning more about how the frontline roles of a bank functions but I generally gravitate towards less sales client facing roles (just personal preference). I am wondering what the future holds if I choose to accept the offer and where are the places I should aim to end up in? Or how likely is it for me to move into my more preferable analyst/wholesale banking roles if I enter this job?\nThanks!", "comments": [["personal retail? very competitive, high sales, high turnover job"], ["For a start you are in the right industry so that\u2019s 50% of your aspirations being met. The other 50% , you have to believe in yourself and be confident that you can work towards and secure your preferred position ."], ["Not many can stand that kind of job. It is a sales job. And like someone here said -- the turnover is very high.\nAnd at the end of that job, you will find you've not learnt anything except pandering to the whims of your leads and clients.\nUnless you're saying that you hate accounting, I'd go with a job that pays you shit, but you learn useful information about how businesses are run, work stupid hours (sometimes). There are LOTS of smaller accounting firm looking for people to do this work.\nQuestion is : why did you opt for an accounting & finance degree if you hated the accounting profession?"], ["Its one notch higher than an Insurance agent job. Not everyone but the trully street smart and thickskinned kind can do well there."], ["Assuming you are successful in the sales part.. I doubt you want to go back office anymore.\nHonestly for me, just try for 4-5months and see how sales is .."]]}
+{"title": "\u201cAnyone suggesting that the government is dominated by DAP must produce proof\u201d", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wddqe/anyone_suggesting_that_the_government_is/", "num_comment": 49, "flairlabel": ["Politics"], "header": "", "comments": [["DAP got 4 minister posts with the most heavyweight being transport minister. Already get sidelined until cannot sideline and still DAP dominating government.\nI think Malaysia wants to be 99.9% Malays and 0.01% non Malays then happy.", "I believe if there is only 1 non Malay and that one non Malay is living at the peak of Mount Kinabalu living as a nomad and never interact with civilization at all....will be blamed.", "True. According to these people, only at 99.99% is where Malay majority is achieved, anything less is a big NO", "At the rate is going, PH is just BN 2.0 and DAP is just another MCA. All the promises forgotten and its back to Malay first policies.", "There is no political points to be earned by pandering to non-Malay needs, its not like nons will vote for PAS... Now it is just a tussle for the support of conservative Malays, which results in PH=BN2.0", "If pandering to Malay win votes, PH would not have won election. Seems like short term memory forget already.", "But...PH didn't win the election? That's the whole point of the Unity Govt if PH won the election BN wouldn't even be in the picture.", "Yg x disukai dap, bukan non-malay semata2", "Hello you forget LGE sis got deputy finance minister???", "I am talking about minister post not deputy minister. And Finance is controlled by Anwar, FM 2 and Deputy FM just placeholder to divert heat from him holding dual portfolios.", "So you purposely not mentioning dap got deputy seat?", "My reply not clear enough or you can't read English?", "Think the point is that dep isn\u2019t as important/ meaningful/ impactful as a full minister seat \u2026 relating back to the post it\u2019s a dep cannot override a minister, therefore doesn\u2019t really lead to \u201cdominance\u201d of a government/ policy direction", "Yala. DAP is also given the freedom to buka office in Malaysia. I think we need to limit them. /s", "Literally putting arts grad in deputy finance minister post and they won't admit it's nepotism \ud83e\udd2d", "If Nurul Izzah can be financial advisor to Anwar, LGE's sister can be DFM.\nAnwar's requirement for financial experts very low and in Malaysia anyone can be minister. Look at the other minister post see how many clowns inside.", "If we want to compare then, will Hui Ying resign from the post within 1 month like izzah did?\nI cannot fathom the logic of using the \"see all this other nepotism\" argument while also denying Hui Ying is a nepotism appointment \ud83e\udd2d", "Finance and economics is arts stream subject though. And LGE has no position in the cabinet. Even Ramkarpal stepped down from cabinet when Gobind stepped in.\nBut yeah I admit definitely a hint of nepotism here considering the sister is quite new to politics in general, unlike Ramkarpal and Gobind.", "Gotta be honest, if I'm LHY and have an actual related degree, I'd be putting it out right now instead of having daily insults about her having Arts Degree.\nThe fact that she hasn't... Makes me doubt very much it is a Bachelor of Arts in finance/economy etc"], ["How do you produce proof there's no boogieman hiding inside your closet waiting to turn your son gay?", "If John Wick is in your closet, better make sure your son keeps his pencils stashed away.", "Is he going to sharpen his pencil in my sons hole?", "\"I once saw him kill 3 men in a bar. With a pencil.\""], ["There's no need for proof. People want to be brainwashed."], ["Haha. People in malaysia talk crap first and prove them wrong later.\nYou can never disprove an unfalsifiable claim."], ["Proof? You're thinking people suggesting these are doing it in good faith. How gullible.", "He knows they are full of it that's why he's asking for proof to call their bluff. The reddit equivalent is to ask someone for sources to back their claim on a topic"], ["PN do not need prove. They just need an easy excuse to blame non Malays and can claim Malays are not united."], [""], ["Y'all here (so far from what I have read) being a little blinkered, if you don't mind me rebuking as mildly and as respectfully as I can.\nDAP is rich, to put things simply. And our government, who we all know is corrupt from the pak cik nasi lemak tepi jalan up til the Deputy Inspector of the Polis, need money. DAP pulls the strings, not a lot, but not insignificant either. What's holding them cinaks (I am chinese myself so I am authorized) back? The policy and amendments and bumiputera laws in check.\nDAP cable banyak, bros and sis. They are a vital consideration in election fundings, government spendings, resources, etc. Somemore you add the fact that >90% of working chinese in Malaysia stands behind DAP and only DAP.\nSource: bros that have seen behind the scenes abit", "I am not sure what you are getting at.\nAre you saying that bumiputra laws are needed to keep the Chinese (non bumi) in check from taking over? Isn't that just plain discrimination and racism? Are we not against these kind of policies?\nPlus by having these policies we completely exclude certain capable people purely based on their ethnicity.\nThe reason why DAP is supported by Chinese is simply because every other major party is championing for the Malays. It is always Malay 1st. I am not supporting some party that treats me like I'm second class.\nLet's be clear. Nobody joins politics out of the goodness of their hearts. This field attracts power hungry and money hungry individuals. The really capable ones and have good intensions are very rare.", "I'd rather Chinese take over than Malays honestly. Look how well Chinese ethnic rule has been to Singapore."], ["Aha but who is pulling the puppet strings ?"], ["Statemenrs like wanting a non-Muslim panel in syariah court is funnily enough brought up from a DAP rep isnt it? and you are wondering why the malays have their suspicions.", "Petak DAP is somewhat rotten. The Nga/Ngeh team is toxic.", "I dont get what their gameplan is all about, are they trying to push an already slim malay support and get the urban malays to the right wing?", "Their gameplan is not the same as federal level, which is trying to be as inclusive as possible. I think the Nga/Ngeh main support base are ethnic Chinese who are permanently suspicious of Malays in general/just plain racist. That's why this faction still supports agents like Superman Hew. I don't think their support is strong outside of Perak (their contemporary Ronnie Liu in Selangor is finished politically) but they are still a significant if small faction within DAP.\nThis faction is the extremist section of DAP.", "Makes sense, just like some pas rep talking shit from time to time"], ["Orang tua please shut up! Chinese situation in Malaysia already on the edge and you still want to push us further?? What about you make The Noble Group angry and provoke more hatred towards Chinese later?! Want Armenian-styled BBQ in Malaysia?!", "If defending allegations make them angry, then really no hope la.", "Last time Chinese PM talk really find trouble for Chinese, adding more fuel for PAS, please retire and shut up, let Anthony handle this stuff please", "Thanks for proving my point. I think if Malaysian Chinese breath also someone can get offended. Really no hope dy.", "I think if DAP keep quiet also will be an issue.\n\"Kenapa DAP tak cakap apa-apa ? Ini bukti DAP tak kisah tentang Malaysia\".", "Ini bukti DAP berdosa", "Malaysia memang no hope. Just plan your Brexit.", "Hoping for the best. Less problem for Malaysia."], ["this is why DAP need to put some Malays in their party like 30% of the members.\nIt is true that Racist will always find any excuse to blame, but at least DAP should at least make some effort to NOT let them easily blame DAP."], ["Cina is strong like Saiyans. A baby Saiyans is strong enough to destroy a planet.\nSo it must be true...\nInb4 DAP is not Cina"]]}
+{"title": "Mercedes-Benz EQB EV burns down while charging at dealer in Johor", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wdiok/mercedesbenz_eqb_ev_burns_down_while_charging_at/", "num_comment": 7, "flairlabel": ["Science/ Technology"], "header": "", "comments": [["BOMBA:", "I feel bad for bomba dudes since EV fires are harder to control than internal combustion engine vehicles", "It\u2019s impossible to control. I understand US fire dept build a special pool to submerge the flaming EV in it to put out fire.", "I feel bad for tax payers since all this stuff ends up costing the public."], ["Well at least it'll make insurance claim a lot easier.", "Most insurance companies have TNC for EV that is 2x longer than Tesla's own TNC which is itself tiny font long novel. Most people don't realize they're not protected. There's lots of restrictions on use of compatible 3rd party equipment and such. Can't blame them since they know their products are fragile. That's why Tesla only warranties their battery for 160km or 7 years whichever comes first. Don't really get why people think EV will save the environment. More likely in a few years we'll start to see how much EV battery dumping is going to bad for the environment."], ["EV is on fire\u2026.. Ahhahahqhqhha"]]}
+{"title": "Need help to ID tortoise", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wcibr/need_help_to_id_tortoise/", "num_comment": 5, "flairlabel": [], "header": "Hi gang. Found this tortoise wandering the roadside. It is fortunate it did not get run over. Could someone assist to ID this species?", "comments": [["Malayan box turtle (Cuora amboinensis), the most common native turtle species we have here. And despite its tortoise-like appearance it is quite aquatic, spending quite a lot of time in the water. Despite being an adaptable species it is actually Endangered due to overcollection for wildlife trade."], ["Found this guy outside wandering next to the roadside. Luckily it was at night where less traffic. Anyone know the species?"], ["ikan kelisa", "Maybe Kancil or Kembara or Kenari or Rusa?", "ikan sepet eh silap sepat"]]}
+{"title": "Transport minister says Malaysians can start renewing driver\u2019s licence via MyJPJ app from Feb 1", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wfz0q/transport_minister_says_malaysians_can_start/", "num_comment": 13, "flairlabel": [], "header": "", "comments": [["Myeg:", "MYEG honestly deserves to get fucked. I helped my father renew the MAID permit last year. Did it almost 2 months before due date. Waited 1 month no updates, as the date got close I called them and asked them what is going on.\nNo explanation, no nothing, they just suddenly sent me a an email asking me to fill in info.\nI called them and waited 20 minutes for someone to pick up and when they did I onlyh finally found out that they had been having problems trying to get the permit done and because I mesasged them as I am in a hurry.. they are going to go to the immigration center and do it for me (like they are doing me a favor).\nI told them the issue is you guys should have informed me way ahead that this was an issue and not wait till I call 2 weeks before my maid's work permit is due to expire. ONe thing I really hate talking to the CS in Malaysia, is that it is very hard to get it into their head why they are wrong. I wrote a few emails threatening to report them to consumer bureau as they are taking money and providing a service before someone called me and explained to me and apologized.", "Same thing but the security guard also. Want to take what driving license when entering building?", "illegal to take lah, can show them write number only."], ["wtf i just went to jpj today.", "And you got yours done.\nIt's ok la dude, next time.", "February 1 bro"], ["This is what happens when you have a COMPETENT minister in charge."], ["that app is toilet paper!"], ["Eh I use myeg je. Appear in the app also"], ["No eyesight test in Msia ?"], ["HIDUP LOKE!!!! seriously why I think he is the only minister who worked hard to ease our life?"], ["I had been renewing my license through mysikap. I think they just transfer that feature to myjpj. Maybe many people didnt know can renew at mysikap. No service fee also."]]}
+{"title": "Traveling to Malaysia", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18w7syd/traveling_to_malaysia/", "num_comment": 37, "flairlabel": ["Tourism & Travel"], "header": "Hello malaysian people. I am going to be visiting your lovely country in late february from an (probably) unknown country, Estonia(northern europe) with my family, 2 adults, 3 children ages 5 to 17. We are starting to put together a plan on what to do, we have 13 days.\nRight now, the plan is to fly to Kuala Lumpur, and explore the city for a few days. After that, it\u2019s pretty open, but i think we wanna stay at 2 other places. Right now, we are thinking: 1)somewhere in Penang 2) somewhere in Langkawi 3) Ko Li Pe/ Koh Lipe (let me know which is right) islands that i\u2019m aware are part of Thailand. We can pick 2 or it will get too fast-paced as we only have 13 days.\nPlease give me advice what do you think we should do, any advice? What places we should visit or what to do. I will do more research but as people write in Estonia\u2019s subreddit as well to get travel advice and they get very good insider information from there, i thought to myself maybe the Malaysian community is as nice as well and will help us out. Thank you in advance and give me all your advice and tips&tricks. Can\u2019t wait to visit!", "comments": [["If the option is between Langkawi and Koh Lipe, I\u2019d assume the goal are the beaches. If so, skip Langkawi and head straight to Koh Lipe.", "skip langkawi unless you want a quiet place. there is nothing much to do there other than chill.", "Agreed. My langkawi vacation was the bomb due that i did absolutely nothing on the vacation. Just smartphone & weather.", "If you love nature get island hopping trips and the mangrove tour in Langkawi"], ["Some nice places I like that are not usually part of common itineraries.\nIn KL, visit the TTDI Park. It has a playground and lots of monkeys and a few monitor lizards. You and your kids may enjoy it.\nIn Penang, visit the Escape Penang theme park. It has the longest water slide in the world. I also like to visit the Balik Pulai region. There is the Balik Pulau paddy field and the town itself which has a different feel than Penang's Georgetown.\nFor Langkawi, there's not really any secret. All the nice and hidden spots are usually well covered in online itineraries. For me personally, I like the Tanjung Rhu resort as there is a sandbar that is revealed in low tide which can let you walk out quite far into the sea.\nThe beaches and water in Koh Lipe are far more beautiful than Langkawi, so perhaps just head straight there.\nOther tips\nUse the app Grab for ridesharing and deliveries if you are not renting a car.\nWhile a lot of people speak and understand English, make sure to speak in simple sentences. Instead of saying \"I would like a Coke please\" say \"Coke. One.\"", "Thank you! The theme park looks fun as hell. Do you reccomend renting a car for Penang? The distances from Georgetown to the theme park&Balik Pulai are about 25km..or could we do with public transportation.. i guess it depends how expensive it is to rent a car?\nAlso now that i\u2019ve been thinking, i think KL and Penang are a must. Haven\u2019t yet to research what it is there to do in Langkawi, but i think the plan to skip it and go straight to Koh Lipe is viable. If we were to do Koh Lipe, would you rather skip Penang or Langkawi?", "Not the commenter, but I would skip Langkawi for Penang easily. Car rental for 5 pax you can budget about RM 350-450 for decent sedan or SUV.", "Would recommend chenang beach in Langkawi for souvenirs shopping.", "Also on language- no harm in collecting a few phrases from a Bahasa Malaysia phrasebook or website. Conversational Malay is quite straight forward- there\u2019s a reason it was the lingua franca in the region for centuries. Numbers, one-word basic questions, and polite phrases like thank you, will get you a long way."], ["Make sure to fill out the digital arrival card 3 days before arrival. https://imigresen-online.imi.gov.my/mdac/main", "thanks will do"], ["first timer, do the tourist route\nunless you want to spend for private beaches skip langkawi, its a slow island and more so these days.\nmelacca is another common choice"], ["If it\u2019s within your budget both in time and money wise, consider Sabah. Get on the river cruise to see the monkeys and fireflies native to the jungles of Borneo.\nIf you like islands, check out Mantanani and consider Semporna."], ["Will say just skip Koh Lipe and do another Thailand trip next time.\nKL to Penang, then Langkawi and end up KL for flight back home seems sensible.\nKuala Lumpur, 3 days. Stay near to KLCC. Explore the hustle and bustle of a city. Go to malls, central market, do a little shopping, try local food and enjoy the man-made attractions. It's a city, pretty much the same everywhere around the world.\nPenang, 5 days. Stay in Georgetown and enjoy the old colonial era charm. Attractions should be within walkable / bikeable distance. Take Grab (hired car) for daytrips to Penang Hill & Botanical Garden (same area) or to beaches in Tanjung Bungah / Batu Feringghi or even further to Teluk Bahang, National Park for more hike and beaches. Penang is well known to be a foodie city. Be sure to sample some of their best cuisine.\nLangkawi, 5 days. Langkawi is a big island and accessibility is poor. Getting a rented car is a must. Unless you plan to hole up in one of the many resorts there. I can't suggest which is the best area to stay. Luxury resorts are located just northwest of Langkawi airport. Cenang used to be good (and probably still is?) and have many affordable options. Kuah is a bustling town, nothing much but even cheaper hotels.\nThere is no airport in Koh Lipe, that means half day of travelling to somewhere just to take a flight. Langkawi has daily flights to Kuala Lumpur or Singapore for flight back home.\nSelamat Datang and enjoy your stay here.", "Yeah i think that\u2019s the best plan. It\u2019s just my mom said Koh Lipe is one of her dream destinations but looking at it it\u2019s very small so there\u2019s nothing else to really do other than enjoy the world-class beaches and what comes with it. And as we don\u2019t have much time i think the half day traveling with ferry and immigrations checks because of border crossing is probably food reason to leave it for another trip. It\u2019s just the paradise islands are kind of her thing.\nSince you seem very knowledgable do you mind giving me a quick insight about the prices? I know they can vary a hell of a lot, but generally in my capital Tallinn, in a normal not anything special restaurant the prices vary in the range of 12-18 euros per meal. So that\u2019s 60 to 90 ringgit. I imagine Kuala Lumpur is more expensive than Penang and Langkawi but could you give some ranges for prices over there? To just grab lunch or have a but of a nicer dinner somewhere?\nAlso about what does it cost to hire the Grab in Penang? Is it like a taxi for a one way cost or is it hired for a full day?\nLangkawi car rental i\u2019ll look up.\nThanks for the help brother", "Koh Lipe is only 90 minutes away from Langkawi. I think it's perfectly doable. You have 13 days. I think just go there. Immigration wouldn't take that long.\nI don't think you need to spend 5 days for each place. Maybe 3 days in KL, 3 days in Penang, the rest in Langkawi/Koh Lipe.\nFood is fairly cheap in Malaysia. Decent meal would cost RM20-30. This is like if you go to restaurants each time.\nUse grab to go everywhere. It's like Uber. But if you wanna go at your own pace, then maybe rent a car is better. There are plenty of car rentals at the airport.\nHave you thought about exploring East Malaysia, specifically Sabah? It's only 2.5 hours flight from KL.\nIslands in sabah are so beautiful, IMO better than Thai islands. Check out islands in Tawau like Boheydulang, Mabul, Mataking, Sipadan.\nHeck the islands near the state capital, Kota Kinabalu like Sapi, Mantanani, Manukan are also so beautiful. Corals everywhere. I can't find corals in Thai islands near Krabi/Phuket.", "Eating out varies in cost. Kuala Lumpur city centre or George Town, Penang will set you back RM 50 - 80 per person for a nice meal in a proper restaurant, without alcohol. Unfortunately, most of the cost comes from alcohol. Even a shitty house pour wine will set you back at ~RM30 / \u20ac6.00. A nice bottle will set you back ~RM200 / \u20ac40.00.\nIn Kuala Lumpur or Penang, just do one way trips using Grab. You can even do Grab Food to your hotel, to save you time. If you are staying in city centre, would just suggest not to travel via cars during peak hours, just use metro.\nLangkawi is the reverse. Food expensive (same as Kuala Lumpur), alcohol is cheap. Langkawi is a tax-free island.\nIf your stomach can handle it and you have a local to show you around, street food can be cheap and good. Best street food can be found in Penang."], ["Malacca and Penang would be good of you are into history.\nLangkawi is a good beach island with a feel of village/kampung. You should try it and go to restaurant cili kampung.\nAlso what do Estonian think of Dilbert cartoon?", "haha i think Dilbert isn\u2019t that popular in Estonia, so i don\u2019t think anything of it.\nDo you mean history in terms there are many historical sights to see? I mean we are a family with different interest, my little siblings wish to sit at a hotel by the pool or beach all day but the older ones like to see cool historical sights, see beatiful nature etc and be more active. Is it possible to do these half-half days in Penang as well where you explore Georgetown for half a day for example and the other half go to a beach? Ik it\u2019s complicated buy there basically needs to be a balance at all times or there will be crying kids or unsatisfied and bored adults", "Penang has some historical sites, but the more popular historical site would be in Malacca (Melaka).\nClose to Penang you can also visit Ipoh (should be on route from Kuala Lumpur-Penang)\nNature-wise, you can head to Taman Negara (National Park), but its on the southern side of Peninsular Malaysia.\nNot sure if the islands are back open during February, but look up Perhentian Islands, or Redang Island if youre interested in the beach.\nFebruary 10th is Chinese New Year (a.k.a lunar new year), so the traffic will be heavier than usual. However, you'll be able to see different kind of decorations, and festivals everywhere in Malaysia."], ["Penang > Langkawi. More to see, more to eat, culturally explosive for the senses. Skip langkawi if its your 1st time to Malaysia, especially if u are going to koh lipe (better beach, better water)"], ["February? Come back in march\nFebruary a lot people celebrating chinese new year", "We arrive on 23th of february, should be fine by then?", "27th onwards, by that time not too many people so u can enjoy more"], ["Hi Op! Here\u2019s a Happy 2024 to you!\nI\u2019ve been to Tallinn as part of my honeymoon in 2019 and I loved it! Hope you have an equally good trip here\nJust 2 things to note and a few questions.\nNote, it will be hot here by end Feb, I know it\u2019s still fairly cold in Estonia at the time so do prepare for a 50% or more jump in temperature also, do expect mosquitoes and other bugs to be abundant. Of course shopping centres/ malls will be largely big free but other wise do expect insects\nA few questions, what does your family enjoy ?\nNature ? Sights ? Do you plan to do road trips and drive around ? There are some fairly interesting smaller towns to visit (Sitiawan, Ipoh) if you are driving. Or do you plan to stick to the bigger cities and use public transport?\nFood ? How\u2019s your food palate? One advantage of Malaysia is you can find fairly authentic samples of neighbouring foods here (Thai, Indonesian, Viet etc)\nExperiences ? Shows, tours etc ?"], ["I'd say for beaches, skip Langkawi. There's little to do there. If you're into diving we have loads of great places for diving too.\nPenang is a must!\nI hope you enjoy KL, pay Petaling Street and Pasar Seni a visit for sure :)"], ["I\u2019d spend the 13 days in northern and southern parts of Thailand, completely skip Malaysia.", "\u2620\ufe0f\u2620\ufe0f\u2620\ufe0f\ud83d\ude05\ud83e\udd23"], ["A few other people are weighing in on Langkawi vs Koh Lipe and prices and such, so I\u2019ll just stick to tourist spots in KL\nKLCC is generally a must-see. There are guided tours up the Petronas twin towers as well, which can be good fun for a family. Alternatively, you can explore eating in the one of the restaurants up the towers- only Marini\u2019s on 57 is open at the moment, I think (open only for dinner) which is a high-end steakhouse but with a beautiful view of the city.\nPavilion KL is another shopping mall - KL is rife with them, but it\u2019s a nice one.\nI would check out the National Craft Complex, which isn\u2019t far from KLCC. There are huts featuring different local crafts that you and your family could participate in, eg Batik painting, pottery.\nNear Merdeka Square, there are some good parks- The KL Bird Park and Butterfly Park are both worth a visit. The Islamic Arts Museum is there too, which in my opinion, is better worth a visit than the National Museum. Merdeka Square itself is very pretty, historic, and a good picture location. If you dedicate a day in this are you could probably hit up several in the same locale.\nOther fun places to visit for shopping and the experience are Central Market, Brickfields (aka Little India), Petaling Street, Masjid India. Just be aware that if shopping, a lot of these places expect haggling as a matter of course- no need to go overboard, but unless it\u2019s explicitly stated on a sign somewhere \u201cno haggling, fixed price\u201d, no harm in asking for a better price/bulk discount.\nHopr you and your family have fun! Keep an ear out for drumming- you land during the tail end of the CNY Festive period (ends 25th Feb) so you may still catch a lion dance or two if you\u2019re speedy and run towards the source of the noise."], ["Estonians are fun people! I know a few myself \ud83d\ude01\ud83d\ude01\nIf you\u2019re planning to visit during the middleish of Feb, expect some festivals due to Chinese New Year (starts 10 Feb). Don\u2019t forget to get some digestive pills since the food here is not exactly clean if you want to try street foods. Also, don\u2019t drink the tap water. Tap water is not clean here and always make sure to have mineral/boiled/filtered water.\nIn KL, hit up the aquarium in KLCC for some family time, shopping in Pavilion for luxury goods and you can even visit and hit up some bars for drinks at night. Alcohol is wayy more expensive here compared to Estonia though so be mindful of that.\nYou can visit Chinatown (Petaling Street) to walk around but make sure to keep your valuables safe like your jewellery and such.\nI would say for Penang, you can visit the Escape Park for some thrill and fun with your family. Also, you can go over to the \u201cArmenian Street\u201d for some light shopping or souvenirs, Georgetown and even go for an ATV ride."], ["February huh? I you can delay a bit until March, then it\u2019s Ramadhan (starts 12 March). You\u2019ll have a chance to experience Ramadhan Bazaar.\nIf you can\u2019t then the other reply have a good itinerary for you.\n3 days in KL\n5 days in Penang\nThe rest in Koh Lipe."], ["Get your vaccine shots in order and prepare deterrent against mosquitoes, there's a lot of way to get sick in Malaysia especially for people who aren't used to the climate\nALWAYS carry a water bottle with you or be ready to buy water always"], ["A lot of people have suggested good places to go. I'd like to add a bit to that:\nWhen in Penang especially, try Nasi Kandar (its rice with mix curry, plus chicken/fish/lamb. My fav restaurants in Penang wld be Hameediyah or Deen Maju). Nasi Kandar is served usually at a type of restaurant we call 'mamak' shops. Usually its 24hrs, staffed with predominantly Indian staff (Mamak is our term for Indian Muslims).\nAt restaurants esp local ones, don't call waiters/waitress 'Excuse Me'. Instead use Abang (older brother), Kakak (older sis), Adik (younger sibling) and if you're at mamak can call them anney (bro in law). Can also use boss. They will like that a lot and you may get better service haha!"], ["One of my favorite memories from when I visited langkawi was taking a small boat out to the caves and going through the caves, and also the cable car. However , this was more than 10 years ago"], ["I\u2019d give Langkawi a miss and maybe head to Pulai Tioman, lovely beaches, clear water and a great experience."]]}
+{"title": "Tony Pua\u2019s take on learning Jawi in school", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vtlvc/tony_puas_take_on_learning_jawi_in_school/", "num_comment": 209, "flairlabel": [], "header": "", "comments": [["Khat issue was probably DAP\u2019s worst managed PR crisis. Got called both race traitors and anti-Malay throughout the whole thing while MCA, Dong Zong, and Mandarin newspapers just continued fanning the fire\nDAP had its share of gaffes in 2023 but, credit to Anthony, are all better managed than that.", "I always tell people that MCA was behind all this- and got the Mandarin papers & Dong Zong to be in cahoots with them. They made hell load of noise during PH1.0 rule.\nProof? After the Sheraton Move, all the noise from MCA stopped. DZ said that the matter has \"been settled internally\". UMNO, PAS & Bersatu (kononnya terpaling Melayu Islam) pun didn't bother to put it back in the textbooks.\nSo the terpaling Cina MCA and terpaling Meu UMNO & PAS played mind games with us just to sabotage DAP and PH. Incredible political chess move by them. Damn bloody smart.", "I can\u2019t stand with Dong Zong. Look at the textbook of UEC, bunch of outdated materials.\nWe could expect this as MCA need to get the attention from DAP. They need to do that for survival. Plus LGE fumes with the TARUC fund.\nLuckily LGE is no longer Sec general for DAP. He really should retire after his pathetic performance in Ministry of Finance. But look at current politics in Penang, CKW is really got attacked by him and his fellow.", "LGE fumes with the TARUC fund.\nTbh, what LGE propose was actually right, by right a educational institution should not be control by a political party. He say time and time again, that the intention was the allocated fund will be managed by the University board of trustee rather than MCA board.\nIn the end, the fund was still given regardless no? But the narrative that Guan Eng did not give money to TARUMT still persist to this day.", "Can we say that MCA's main support base are Chinese chauvinists and traditionalists contrary to what people think are DAP's support base", "Yeah but I think both have chauvinists and traditionalist Chinese. Just that the English-speaking base which once dominated MCA in the early 3-4 decades shrunk so much it became very small. Early MCA leaders like Tan Cheng Lock, Tan Siew Sin etc were all British educated and English speaking."], ["I dont know if this in an unpopular opinion or not but honestly, the whole Jawi fiasco and the people who are against it is so stupid. Jawi is just a writing form just like Latin and Kanji. My dad took some Jawi lessons at school and we're still Indian Hindus cause me and my family aren't insecure to our religion. I personally had some of my Malay friends thought me and my friends to write Jawi as a past time and we in return teach them Tamil and Chinese scriptures. There's nothing wrong learning Jawi as it is just another way to write Malay and it has nothing to do with religion. However, that being said, I feel our education system should focus on bigger issues such as the use AI in homework and projects, the lack of students entering science stream, the outdated exam formats we have and many more.", "As a non-Muslim bumiputera (who has a casual interest in learning languages) I feel the same way too.\nI think the reason why so many people were against it was largely due to misunderstanding and ignorance of what Jawi actually is, and its value as part of not only Malaysian but Nusantara heritage. A lot of people think that Jawi = Arabic language/Islam/etc, but it is in fact just the Malay language written in a modified Arabic script. It's just like writing Malay in other scripts, e.g. katakana or hangul.\nThe more important question is how the syllabus should be handled. This should be made clear to everyone, especially those who are less familiar with what Jawi really is.", "The 1967 National Language Act really messed up the institution of Jawi. Before 1967, a lot of Malay documents and press are written in Jawi. My grandaunt's wedding invitation from 1958 was also written in Jawi. If you ask who made Jawi irrelevent, blame it on the government of that time.", "However, that being said, I feel our education system should focus on bigger issues such as the use AI in homework and projects, the lack of students entering science stream, the outdated exam formats we have and many more.\nExactly", "...There's nothing wrong learning Jawi...\n...I feel our education system should focus on bigger issues...\nYou think the issue is stupid but you've basically surmised why people don't see the point of adding it to our education system.\nThe only benefit this'll have is for nons to (somehow) become more buddy buddy with the Muslims; go find another way to achieve that mate.", "I almost never used cursive writing. Was I forced to do it? Yes. Do I hate that I was forced to do it? Not really. Do you also think extracurricular activities are a waste of time? Jawi is a significant part of our nation's history whether people like it or not.", "Wait exams format are outdated? I dont agree. Its just a small aspect of exams but I think KBAT/HOTS question is one of the best exam system out there. The fact that there is no right or wrong answer, and it gives you the most point.", "Maybe I should've worded it correctly. What I meant to say is that our education system is only exam focus and not concentrating on other areas like practical educations as well as teachers teaching students how to answer the paper instead of learning something at school. I have already forgotten certain things I learned in SPM already.", "Why the fuck should we learn something that is not beneficial when we have our fair share of useless subjects in school already. Teach students what they need to know instead of this nonsense.", "If they make it as an optional class or after school event, it might be a better solution.\nLike after school 1 hour to learn basic Jawi, all race from all religion can join.\nI as a non-Muslim and non-Malay will join the class lol.", "It's fun, pretty, part of the nation's heritage and can help with picking up Arabic. If you had to optimise what kids learn in school, probably can remove art, music (lower median salary) or kemahiran hidup (can hire/buy services) or history (they're not living in the past!).\nLest we forget it's for them to become more well-rounded humans, not just productive cogs.", "Why do you think that 3 pages of jawi can apparently teach you the point where you can fluently write Jawi. It's essentially just \"btw those jawi word in our bank notes meant this and that\" THATS IT. It's not an entire chapter dedicated to forcing to be fluent in learning the language.", "The reason to learn it is mostly because it's still being used. Not all malays are fluent in reading jawi either. The main point to learn is to at least have a basic knowledge to read it. I also don't think there are such things as useless knowledge. Learning jawi for me is just like learning idiom or pantun or formal writing format or art or kawad kaki. Not everyone really uses all the knowledge that we learn at school but it will be useful at some point either directly or indirectly. I also don't think it's that difficult, put 1 chapter about introduction and basics of jawi in buku teks BM darjah 5 and settle. Move on and forget about it.", "Can't reply to the other comment but jawi is obsolete and has been replaced by rumi. At best, it's basically like calligraphy so I don't see the point of it. To learn a language, you need consistent use of it. Learning it simply from the textbook is not going to work. I remember back then they had sign language in the BM textbook and nobody can remember them after a month because it's not used again.", "Jawi is not a language.", "Jawi is not obsolete. It is still being used in certain official documents. Legal documents written in Jawi are valid for usage in official matters without having to be translated or transliterated.", "Saying that a writing system of a national language that is in a significant part of Malaysia's history and still used today as \"nonsense\" is exactly why some rural Malays have distrust against a particular group of people", "Agree 100%. Politicians only need local or 3R issue to goreng. Main reasons they dont mingle with outside world to know how backward we are.", "this 10000%"], ["there are a lot of invested parties in malaysia, nons and malays alike whose goal is to keep people separated.", "Pecah dan perintah, the only people benefited are the one up there, while the others fighting with each other like a moron.", "tag MCA", "MCA whole purpose is to have Chinese dependant on them to solve issues that should be systematically resolved, but that would render their whole existence moot.", "Better to keep it separated if people equal unity with cultural genocide.\nMaking the whole population Muslim is not unity.", "Found the Chinese uncle", "And you thought that is an insult.\nWhat a pity creature.", "Oblivious Chinese uncle, even better.\n*pitiful creature. FTFY"], ["It was definitely a period that shows irrationality among PH voterbase is not that different with the irrationality within other coalitions voterbase.\nThe same way we laugh at certain groups of people thinking a simple \"Merry Christmas\" can christianized them. We ourself thought that somehow 3 pages that just mentioned what those little jawi word in our bank notes, jata negara etc meant in textbook could \"islamized\" us.\nThe issue should have been discuss from a standpoint that if the 3 pages could serves as an entryhole to future extremist implementing even more than just 3 pages. But instead irrationality takes hold and this simple issue got enlarged ridiculously.\nedit 1: u/UsernameGenerik , not sure if its your video, but it should have also included the later 30sec that talk about the magical dissappearance of the issue suddenly when XX move happen. The ones pouring the fire over and over magically disappeared.\nHere at 1:19:36 if you all interested to continue watching"], ["There is no issue learning JAWI, as long the government can guaranteed Jawi is not linked to Islam and there is no restriction on JAWI usage.\nLike if I want to translate the entire Bible, Torah, or other religion holy book to Jawi, there should be no issue.\nOr if I want to put Jawi in non-Halal stuff like beer and BKT, there should be no issue.\nOr If I want create a banner in Christmas in Jawi should be no issue.", "Imo, the missing voices after she raton move is mainly due to increased awareness and knowledge of what jawi/khat is. I'm not sure about you but I definately learned more about those through other people than dap. So in the end I think there are less people making noice about that issue when they realised that it is not going to impact them as negatively as they initially thought.", "Kinda agree actually.\nThe reason to learn it is mostly because it's still being used. Not all malays are fluent in reading jawi either but the main point to learn is to at least have a basic knowledge to read it. I also don't think there are such things as useless knowledge. Learning jawi for me is just like learning idiom or pantun or formal writing format or art or kawad kaki. Not everyone really uses all the knowledge that we learn at school but it will be useful at some point either directly or indirectly. I also don't think it's that difficult, put 1 chapter about the introduction and basics of jawi in buku teks BM darjah 5 and settle. Move on and forget about it.", "as long the government can guaranteed Jawi is not linked to Islam and there is no restriction on JAWI usage.\nJust shows how ignorant you are.", "I know Jawi is not related to Islam , but a guarantee from the government that Jawi is not Islamic and there will be no restriction on Jawi usage (e.g. If English can be used, Jawi also can) will stop all the confusion and help promote the writing style.", "Jawi = Bahasa Melayu. 3 muka surat untuk pengenalan. Dah banyak kali kerajaan terangkan dekat orang awam. Ahli Parlimen DAP pun dah terangkan secara rasional. Pembelajaran jawi tak bersamaan pembelajaran islam. Macam Tony Pua cakap apa masalah dia? Komuniti Cina dan India tak faham bahasa Melayu ke?", "Thus, I can use Jawi in non-Islamic context without any issue right ?", "Like what promoting beer? Pork shop? Have you been to Kelantan, Terrenganu and Brunei?", "Ya basically can be used for everything.\nGlad to hear there are no issue at those places =)", "Subtle very subtle\u2026", "Don't really get what you mean.", "This just further evidence how ignorant you are. Jawi is not even Muslimc stuff for god sake lol. You cannot even read the holy book Quran with it. Muslim people in other country will not understand it. Now read this - Jawi is just a way to write words in BM but using different character.. instead of roman characters they are using characters inspired by arabic\u2026 like how people in this country does before British came and change it to Roman. It just part of the country history.", "There are many people confused weather Jawi is Islamic or not, and thus like I said, a official government statement saying Jawi is not Islamic should settle it.", "Might as well just say DAP controls Melayu /s", "Alteady explain rationally. People like you tend to be ignorant. Masuk kanan keluar kiri."], ["Chinese here. I do think learning it is great. Heck, to learn new stuff is always welcomed. But, it's better for education to focus more on improving what we have, not to let us lag behind other countries year after year. The addition of Jawi is nice, even better if the actual improvement is focused for our overall system.\nEdit : https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023/12/06/drop-in-pisa-scores-worldwide\nLink showing our lag in the education matter. It's bad. We've fallen each year since 2016 if you look deeper into the thing.", "I think it's great to learn new language but if the education system is failing then it pretty much like adding fuel into fire.", "It needs an overhaul. The system failed cause they tune down the difficulty year after year to accommodate the scores. eg; how many pass the exams per year. We are now ranked way below average worldwide. We are on average 3 years behind in comparison to Singapore. Meaning budak sekolah kita dajah 4 sama dengan dajah 1 di Singapore. Malu tak? Don't need to be like Singapore cause they are really kinda nuts, but at least we need it to be better to not lead to the situation now. A 3 year gap is a jaw dropping situation.", "And also it quite surprising that even Vietnam managed to beat us hell even ukraine a country in middle of a war can still perform better than us.", "They put effort into it. Not Nampak budak gagal, kita buatkan senang supaya nampak cantik. Tapi minta ku ajar betul betul tu susah sangat. Ubah score kan senang je.\nTo hit their quota to look good, they did this. Vietnam and Ukraine education have the foresight to look further ahead. We Malaysians are labeled as dumb kids. Ehh ace student from Malaysia? Pfft, must be a joke.\nThe statistics show. So now if you get a degree, it's normal to get out done by others from other countries applying for the same job. Or to say, entering higher education schools like masters or whatnot. And your salary will definitely be lower too, cause you're labeled as meh.", "except its not a language. just a different writing system. i can read it better than most people but its only been \"useful\" when this subreddit has those posts about ads from the 90s talking about guinness beer being advertised in Jawi", "Yupe, you are correct. I should have known better.", "Jawi is just letters, its not a language. You wont understand arabic, you wont learn Islam.\nI think you probably can learn it a month or so. I don't know the correct term, but jawi is just like katakana, meaning it doesnt have vowels accept maybe for \"A\" and \"I\"\nMy point, the fear of jawi was from the lack or understanding, due to PH failure to properly explain / market it. Its just fancy latters so we seem I dont think it will effect our PISA or whatever.", "Its PH total failure because not only MCA and Dong Zong purposely misrepresent the problem, but the newspaper editors are also writing sensational \"history\" lessons on the language as well.", "Saya cina share the same views. No issue on Jawi. Just another language. Should make it as available as bahasa cina and bahasa tamil", "Not exactly new language. Its another form of writing for Bahasa Malaysia. Kinda like Romanise hanyu pinyin and hanzi. So learning it should be under BM class rather than under Islamic religious class.", "Some dude argued with me last time saying studying how the history of this language comes to be is a waste of time and should focus on learning the language instead.", "As many mentioned here, Jawi is a form of script/writing, not a new language. It's like arabic but with some additional letters to support Malay language. I guess PH failed big time when they can't even explain that to the masses.", "But jawi can unite us like captain america in the avengers end game movie and everything will eventually become fine after that \\s", "The reason to learn it is mostly because it's still being used. Not all malays are fluent in reading jawi either but the main point to learn is to at least have a basic knowledge to read it. I also don't think there are such things as useless knowledge. Learning jawi for me is just like learning idiom or pantun or formal writing format or art or kawad kaki. Not everyone really uses all the knowledge that we learn at school but it will be useful at some point either directly or indirectly. I also don't think it's that difficult, put 1 chapter about the introduction and basics of jawi in buku teks BM darjah 5 and settle. Move on and forget about it."], ["I will tell that uncle don't worry I learn english and I don't turn myself into believing Jesus.", "Jesus is Jewish but I get your point"], ["wow tony pua sums up the issue from Malay's perspective really well. learning jawi is learning malay language, it doesn't have anything to do with Arabic language or Muslim at all.", "Why should we waste our time to learn something useless is my issue on it", "Move on and forget about it\nThere you go, what's the point then... I ain't going to use it in my day to day life.", "It is part of Bahasa Melayu, which is our national language. It is still used in many official documents, display, logos, etc. Saying it is useless is like saying Malay language is useless. Which is okay if you are not Malaysia citizen....", "Language and written script is heavily intertwined with culture and the history of the people that uses it. Losing the ability to understand and read the Jawi script means abandoning a majority of our history that was written in Jawi, which is a lot. Couple that with Malaysians piss poor regard and care to properly catalogue and accept their own history means the death of our identity as Malaysian.\nCalling it useless learn is mighty ignorant and single-minded.", "", "Hello, this comment was removed due to being in breach of reddiquette, specifically because it contained personal attack, insult, or threat. While opinions of all kinds are welcome under our shared roof, reddiquette sets the expectation that everyone speaks to each other with basic civility and respect:\nDon\u2019t: Conduct personal attacks on other commenters. Ad hominem and other distracting attacks do not add anything to the conversation.\nDon't: Insult others. Insults do not contribute to a rational discussion. Constructive Criticism, however, is appropriate and encouraged.\nDon\u2019t: Be (intentionally) rude at all. By choosing not to be rude, you increase the overall civility of the community and make it better for all of us.\nPlease treat this as an official warning - further such activity may result in a ban, thanks", "In that case just park it under BM subject. We don't need another subject just for Jawi.", "It is planned to be part of BM subject in the first place. A small topic in fact, as intro to the script.", "Jawi is in BM textbook\u2026 not another subject\u2026"], ["\"If my son goes to school and come back a muslim\" I- what \ud83d\ude2d\ud83d\ude2d\ud83d\ude2d"], ["They would give every stick and stone they found to show us they are racist without telling us they are racist.", "Most Chinese Malaysian and Indian Malaysian are conservative in nature."], ["You\u2019re not a true non-muslim if mere jawi could falter your faith", "You are also not a true Muslim if mere jawi could falter your faith or confuse you.\nhttps://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2019/08/22/pas-mp-backs-call-to-ban-jawi-script-on-products-by-non-muslims/1783204", "I will assume you\u2019re not aware of the issue underlying this statement, so let me share. The reason why some Muslims are cynical of non-Muslim businesses using Jawi on their products, mainly food, is because it tries to give an impression that the product is Islamic or Halal when in some cases, it may not be.\nYou will see this in some food products in stores where there\u2019s a Halal logo but looks sketchy, and when you look it up on Jakim\u2019s website, turns out they don\u2019t have Halal certification but used Jawi or such design tricks to reel in Muslim consumers. That\u2019s deceptive, especially if you consider how crucial Halal is to Muslim consumers.\nEducate yourself, or at least be more sensitive to why there are actual logical reasons behind certain statements or actions.", "Based on what you said, the value of Jawi is reduced if we cannot used it at certain place and this will discourage people from actually learning Jawi.\nI assume when you said deceptive part is when people put halal logo when their product is not halal ? I agreed with you , it's illegal and government should take action.\nHowever if I am a non Muslim and my product have halal cert, I should be allowed to put Jawi in my product alongside with the official halal logo.\nOr\nIf my product is non-halal, I should be able to put Jawi in my product without any kind of statement or logo saying it's halal.", "I never implied anything of sort of it being reduced? Don\u2019t put words in my mouth. I said that there are valid concerns about it being used deceptively. If your company applied and received a Halal certification, there is no problem.\nHere\u2019s the distinction: But if you don\u2019t have a Halal certification and intently use Jawi as a way to draw in Muslim customers (assuming the non Muslim population doesn\u2019t read nor understand Jawi given current context), then aren\u2019t you just being deceptive?\nDon\u2019t set up a straw man argument, bro.", "Since Jawi is not related to Islam, there is no issue right ? It may promote usage of Jawi among non-Muslim as well if one of their favorite product is in Jawi. We need to start somewhere right ?", "You just sum up why people are against jawi because of craziness like this. Is it a religious language or not?\nHow can jawi trick Muslims to eat non halal food when it's just a language?", "The only thing urban folks have faith in is money.", "You havr my vote.\ud83e\udd23 Cerita ebiet liew pg sabah uslam kan org kampung, tak lama lepas tu masing\u00b2 murtad.. So many trigered in both situation while the main objective for both party is money.. (donation )", "You forgot to add on power", "Not true", "The irony. This reddit always lambasted Malay muslim community\u2019s ignorance but when it comes to their own race/kind tutup mata pekak telinga."], ["Theoretically, jawi (a.k.a. arabic letters) is not islam, but jawi came to this land together with islam. there is a symbiotic relationship between jawi and islam.\nof course, many will say that jawi is intrinsically 'malay culture'...but what is 'malay culture'? For the past 70 years, the status quo and the government has purposely intertwined malay culture and islamic culture, so much so that only an expert in history can properly distinguished between malay culture and islamic culture....heck, even in this country, a malay is legally defined as someone who is a muslim.\nso, why is it surprising that non-muslims in this country, particularly those younger than 50 years old, see jawi as part of islam or an 'islamic thing'? why is it surprising to see non-muslims get anxious when the government that was supposed to promote ALL cultures suddenly push this 'islamic thing' , when almost nobody was asking for it?\nTony Pua get laugh all he wants but i am sure he is well aware of the decades of indoctrination that has been happening in this country to cause huge distrust between muslims vs non-muslims ...and malays vs non-malays"], ["The problem is you made it a national syllabus, and jawi is not something only the minorities know. The majority knows what it is.\nYou made it in your manifesto to preserve the cultures and languages of the minorities. Why did you not do that? Where is the recognition for uec? Where is your effort to preserve vernacular schools?\nEven the Sarawak gov was doing better than you. Why would you give blow jobs to the most racist people when they refuse that?", "The problem is you made it a national syllabus, and jawi is not something only the minorities know. The majority knows what it is.\nIt's three page of Jawi that essentially say what those jawi words in your bank notes mean, I do not believe you can teach someone to be proficient at basic Jawi and test them in exams with just 3 pages. I do not believe having a simple \" hey this is what the jawi on your bank notes mean\" = give blow jobs to the most racist people.\nCould it be used as entry hole to expand in future? Maybe, that should be the point to discuss not the fucking apparently 3 pages of jawi can islamized us somehow the same way saying merry christmas will christianize someone.\nYou made it in your manifesto to preserve the cultures and languages of the minorities. Why did you not do that? Where is the recognition for uec? Where is your effort to preserve vernacular schools?\nAs much as I think UEC should be recognized, you seriously want it to be introduced in a time where there are open demonstration against ICERD and reminder that PH was in government for only 22 months and within those 22 month there is even a certain Atuk inside. Vernacular schools still exists even to this day, what are you on about.", "Other than mere accusation, you decide to make no argument here. Get out.", "No problem I dont like here I get out. You? You dont like why you do not get out?", "I feel perfectly fine here. Did I say I do not like it here?\nBlocked because too chicken to use main account. Pui", "Hello, this comment was removed due to being in breach of reddiquette, specifically because it contained personal attack, insult, or threat. While opinions of all kinds are welcome under our shared roof, reddiquette sets the expectation that everyone speaks to each other with basic civility and respect:\nDon\u2019t: Conduct personal attacks on other commenters. Ad hominem and other distracting attacks do not add anything to the conversation.\nDon't: Insult others. Insults do not contribute to a rational discussion. Constructive Criticism, however, is appropriate and encouraged.\nDon\u2019t: Be (intentionally) rude at all. By choosing not to be rude, you increase the overall civility of the community and make it better for all of us.\nPlease treat this as an official warning - further such activity may result in a ban, thanks."], ["I think the timing to introduce this is at a really wrong timing where people prioritize livelihood, future of their kids (improve existing education system, reduce burden of the educators and student, by removing the unnecessary not ADDing it) and most important stability of the government (not even 1 year at that time?)\nwhats the point of introducing this? whats the point of learning it? will it help / increase workforce efficiency or competitiveness?\nyou can do this when our country is good enough you know, nothing good to do, ok go ahead but optional.:29091::29091:\nsorry, for bad english. my point is still on the timing / unnecessary to introduce to our future generation."], ["2018 PH gov biggest weakness is their PR. Absolutely horrendous. The Jawi issues and the black shoes issues shouldn\u2019t get as big as it got but they failed to communicate to the people.", "Agree \ud83d\udcaf. And also adding to this, there is two team in pkr which also lead to langkah sheraton. Geramnya aku bila ingat. Penat tau bersorak, berdiri sampai ke malam kat pintu istana masa tu."], ["As a Chinese Malaysian,\nuntil our community can deal with our collective ego and accept that being more \"Malaysian\" doesn't make us any less \"Chinese\", we're gonna have to deal with shitty, corrupt politicians (\u00e0 la the MCA) who are more interested in exploiting our identity crisis for personal gain.\nI would much rather be a Malaysian Chinese person than a Chinese Malaysian person, personally.", "The whole point of jawi is to encourage people to speak bm and preserve it. Not to convert. Wholly agreed with your last point. Cheers"], ["Are we going to pretend most of us didn\u2019t take some form of pendidikan moral or read and analyse some atrocious garbage that the government determined was literature but was actually Grade A garbage?\nThe education system is not and never will be a zero sum process. You wanna introduce Jawi, then do it but don\u2019t be condescending and insulting in the process by literally have falling PISA scores year on year while being upset over the lack of basic Jawi. At some level, you or anyone else in Malaysia still have to live a fulfilling life and learning Jawi at an elementary(or even advanced) level isn\u2019t going to be more useful that outright improving school programs for science and professions streams.\nTony Pua knows this and still has the entitled attitude to say he\u2019s got regrets.", "whole bunch of words, and I still understand your point."], ["If its just another form of writing malay, and not some ploy to push islam onto everyone then i see no reason why not.\nBut imo, why the fuck do we need to learn a harder form of malay when rumi is literally better and easily understood?\nLets no end up with a situation like japan where those poor students need to learn THREE alphabets."], ["The internet crowd can argue on the lack of utility but the people on the streets opposed this based on racial-religious lines and ignorance. You can't defend that."], ["I personally have no problem with Jawi being part of our education system. But I would rather learn real arabic than jawi. It's more useful in the real world."], ["where is this from?", "Ong Kian Ming\u2019s new podcast. Link"], ["What the name of this podcast.", "Are We OK?"], ["Stay salty about it, Pony Tua. You were never able to perform like Anthony and Gobind anyway."], ["Jawi calligraphy first became an issue in July when the government said it would introduce khat lessons in all Malaysian schools, including \u201cvernacular\u201d schools where lessons are taught in Tamil or Mandarin.\nAlthough the government later reversed the decision, the proposed change provoked complaints about the \u201cIslamisation\u201d of education in the Muslim-majority country where identity politics often shape policy.\nSeni khat merupakan seni yang amat disanjungi di antara seni-seni Islam yang lain kerana ia merupakan salah satu cara utama mengekalkan keaslian kandungan ayat-ayat suci al-Qur'an selain melalui hafalan para huffaz (penghafal Al-Quran). https://ms.m.wikipedia.org \u203a wiki Seni khat Islam - Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu, ensiklopedia bebas\nSo, seems to be the government manage to blur the line after they failed with backlash in trying to introduce khat into vernacular curriculum. From the already lack of trust in the government after all those ketuanan from bn, chinese do felt being sold by the representative in ph when this kind of things happen. Boiling the frog tactic? Who knows?", "What is the issue of teaching jawi in vernacular schools ? It is part of Bahasa Melayu, which is our national language. It is not a separate subject, and there is no religious teaching or anything within it also.", "The issue has fuelled tension among educationists, school officials and the public after the government announced a plan to introduce jawi script at the basic level for Primary Four vernacular school pupils beginning next year.\nHowever, originally the Ministry of Education (MoE) had intended to introduce the khat (jawi calligraphy) however vehemently objected by various education groups.\nDong Zong secretary-general Ng Chai Heng explained that minority communities have no issues of learning the jawi scripture as it had already been introduced within history lessons within a multicultural context.\nHowever, Ng explained that the introduction of khat, which is stated in school history books is one of the representations of Islam, has drawn fear from parents of Islamisation within the classrooms.\nfrom malay mail article\nThere is a misunderstanding happening, which as cina, I do had the misunderstand of jawi and arabic as in those text used in quran once.\nWith these misunderstood in mind, having a first intro to jawi was like opening to islamization, today 3pages of jawi, tomorrow intro to mengaji, future pendidikan islam will be made compulsory.\nedited: based on my personal experience with malaysia education, I had reason to believe it might happened.\nBack when I learn spm sejarah, I recall of a few chapter about tamadun islam and how the prophet are great, story of its doing etc.\nalso the story of palembang prince become melacca king, many paragraph on how malacca flourish, and suddenly collapse when portugis came. The collapse part only had really few sentences covering. Only when I grew up, I learned the empty part left out in sejarah for obvious reason, how the sultan treated the foreign trader which lead to rebellion etc.", "So basically give them an inch and they will take a mile"], ["People were afraid it\u2019s opening floodgates and the slow start of Islamisation that\u2019s already increasing in prevalence in this country. Apart from that, I don\u2019t think anyone else has a problem with it"], ["There's really no issue with learning jawi, but what was the reason behind the idea? Is it to teach students something new or start islamifying schools? If it was the former then it wouldn't be a problem, but everyone knows its the latter.\nWhy not focus on improving what we already have? Many students in rural areas are really struggling esp with English and stem subjects. Adding a new subject isn't going to do anything for anyone. Hopefully moe wakes up and improves the whole education system as a whole.", "I also don't think there are such things as useless knowledge.\nThat's true! Having an introduction to jawi in a chapter is not a problem and can even give students something new to learn. To me it's only a problem when they're forcing us to learn jawi as it's own independent subject.", "Then why learn mandarin ? Try to chinafying people or what ?", "It's for the sake of preserving the Chinese culture and the practicality of getting more desirable in the job market. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.", "No one is forcing students to learn mandarin, mandarin is only taught in SJKC and as an elective subject, same with Tamil and other languages (elective subjects in sec school like Japanese German etc)"], ["I always support this 2 guys. No matter what other say about this 2 guy. Tony he really work and serve people under his consistency which i personally witness. \ud83d\udc4d\ud83c\udffb"], ["Malaysian Chinese is really conservative. Look at the community\u2019s comment, they won\u2019t accept it by stating as \u2018brainwashed\u2019. What to do when majority of them against it? Political party is just representing the voice of their voters."], ["Funny seeing when the cinas kutuk meleis takut salib etc but they themselves are the same prejudice when it comes to jawi lmao"], ["If the main reason is to promote unity, isn't it better for bumi to learn other non's language instead of jawi?", "No one said the main reason is unity - it's a Malaysian heritage.", "if that's the case isn't Mandarin and Tamil part of Malaysin heritage too?", "Jawi script came first, if you really have to compare. And again, Jawi is a script, not a different language.", "Brahmi (and variants) came first.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/s/GvKJCZ8eQN", "Why should this become a competition of who came first if we're celebrating diversity?", "It's not who is first as if it's a competition - it's what was used for a better part of Malaysian history. That was the point if you missed it."], ["Glad they spoke about this. Truly, the jawi debacle was the moment I became apathetic towards the PH government. The petty and arrogant rejection shown towards a harmless piece of Malay culture had validated the words of my PAS and UMNO supporting friends that I was \"anjing DAP\" for voting PH."], ["I don't understand why Jawi is linked to Islam is a problem. Like, yes Jawi is a product of Islam blending in to fit the people of Nusantara but its\nJUST A WRITING SYSTEM.\nSure, Jawi nowadays are mostly found in religious education books but back in the past Jawi is the standard writing system. Jawi is NOT a liturgical alphabet reserved only for religious purposes. Newspapers to code of law to ad signboards all uses Jawi as the main medium for Malay language. Had the colonialization never came and Za'ba never revolutionized Malay roman spelling, I'm sure Malaysia right now uses a Malay Jawi system. Plus, Malay isn't a\nAlso the idea of your children converting to Islam because of learning and using Jawi is absurd. It's like saying learning Aksara Jawa for Javanese or Baybayin for Tagalog will convert you to Hindu-Buddhism.\nThis whole issue is just people fearing of being open minded. This is a stupid issue"], ["Ugh no thanks. Jawi can stay in the past, just use romawi. Hated jawi in school, it might also be the reason why I hate Arabic language class.", "You mean rumi?", "I guess"], ["Pointless in learning a language if it is not use much in the real world other than in Islam. Hence why people protest. Bether to go learn Japanese or Korean that many companies would want to hire later in the future.", "This just further evidence how ignorant you are. Jawi is not even Muslimc or Islamic stuff for god sake lol. You cannot even read the holy book Quran with it. Muslim people in other country will not understand it. Now read this - Jawi is just a way to write words in BM but using different character.. instead of roman characters they are using characters inspired by arabic\u2026 like how people in this country does before British came and change it to Roman. It just part of the country history.", "Ok apologies didn't know it's different than the Quran text. Still my argument is valid in terms of utility in the job market.", "Pointless in learning a language if it is not use much in the real world other than in Islam. Hence why people protest.\nBut people aren't protesting due to the lack of utility. Hence your point is moot.", "I'm working in MNCs now where ppl who know japanese with the same job get extra allowance of RM1000.. Korean should be around there too. Due to me knowing mandarin I got extra allowance of RM400 supporting China in some finance related job. Hence why I'm saying this. Tell me a job where knowing Jawi gets you paid like this?\nPeople say the human mind is limitless. I believe there's always a limit somewhere. Kids already burdened by so many subjects in school no need to pressure them by adding another language with little benefits.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/s/YHKhiYqffA\nPlus, Jawi is just a script, more supplementary like 0.5 hr a week for maybe 1-3 years, rather than a whole subject by itself.\nAn acquaintance is making good money designing boards with Jawi calligraphy. But both his and your examples are more of the exception than the norm."], ["I had to take Jawi when I was in school. The problem was there was no explanation what is Jawi or why we are learning it. It looked like Arabic and sounded like Arabic so the perception was that we were being brain washed.", "Yup learnt it, passed tests on it and promptly forgot it.", "Yup. And now i still struggle reading it."], ["I still stand firmly where I stood. NO JAWI!"], ["Your core supporters dont want anything that have any, even the smallest thing that is linked to islam. They want to push it away as far as possible.", "Makes sense if you ask the person queuing behind you move away a few steps after rubbing his penis on your pants for decades once you find some room, right?", "You are gaslighting.\nIt started out as khat ie Islamic calligraphy, caused a shitstorm then changed to jawi ie malay in Arabic script.\nEnd of the day Mahathir played both sides as he knew he would rile up 'us vs them' to discredit DAP.\nPut yourself on the other side, will you for the sake of unity allow your child to recite the catechism or sutra just one paragraph aja bukan banyak", "\"No cross in my neighborhood but I want your kids to embrace Islam\" /s", "Correct.", "It's always the majority forcing the non to comply without even consulting our opinion. The problem isnt with learning jawi, but it was forced upon us without even bother to ask for our opinion. Not a single discussion was held.\nIf encouraging unity is the main reason behind pushing this, why not the majority take up learning the non's language instead? Be it mandarin or tamil, it will goes a much longer way of promoting unity and interaction between races instead of this jawi that's pratically useless irl", "DAP was supposed to represent you guys. And based on what tony said, they had no problem with it. And the deputy education at that time was from DAP.", "So am I in principle, I have no problem with learning jawi. I have problem with the circumstances that lead this to happen.\nSo you have no problem with majority praticing the \"tyranny of majority\" and forcing whatever they see fit without consulting the minority?", "Im actually the type that respects the will of the majority. Depends on the situation, I may voice out my view and try to convince others, but if the majority doesnt accept it, then thats that. No hard feelings.\nI dont expect people to follow whatever i say or give whatever i want. And bitch around when people dont accept what i say.\nActually, in all honesty, im actually like that at 1 point in my life. Everything is me me me. But as time goes, I see it more of me being childish."], ["I say no to Jawi in school. Better use the time wasted on jawi to learn more rumi BM.\nRegardless, this is an excellent episode that goes into details of policies"], ["Of course there is no issue in the introduction of learning Jawi. The issue is when to introduce. You expect the society to suddenly accept Jawi? It is like introducing EVs right now, and how our society reacts? F-ing FUD.\nThe pace is important. Take it gradually. Before you decide to launch it from your own perspective. \"Oh they are just gonna be fine\" instead the mindset should be \"what if they are not fine?\" That \"what if\" is gonna cause you everything", "It's 3 pages in the BM textbook. I teach it to my 90% Christian students. They definitely were fine with it. They started trying to read jawi writing in banknotes and what not. It was definitely an overreaction.\nAll this armchair internet opinions about taking it step by step looks pretty funny tbh. How much more gradually can you go?", "What your \"definitely fine with it\" represent the best my above context - you present to a group of people, they are okay with does not mean others is okay as well. Most of our society (or voters) is B40 which is simple minded people, they don't learn progressively, they live in comfort zone, they are happy if they can live day-to-day - and this is applied to all races.\nInstead of lunging directly into the syllabus, why not start with Jawi curriculum like what they had in university? At the same time, hire some Chinese or Indian influencer (B40 loves influencer anyway) to do some prep talk --- about how interesting Jawi can be. Do something indirectly before launching it officially (direct). And f the PR they had -- mentioning vernacular school -- just make it general term - vernacular school, why let the people felt that it was targeted to them purposedly?\nJust to add on: People will only starts to learn if they feeling the necessary. Why not adding bit by bit of Jawi into government official context? Starts with things that physically can be seen (door, poster, wall, website etc) with translation of BM together, give the familiarity to those unfamiliars first instead shove it down directly to the throat."], ["Dude, I tried learning SO hard every fucking class, but every attempt was scuttled by those Malay boys playing up during the lessons (you could tell even the imam wanted to strangle them). Talk about an own goal \ud83e\udd26\u200d\u2642\ufe0f - you accuse people of not appreciating your budaya, but then you sabotage the lesson.\nAll these years later, all I have is a shitty Aliph, B'aa, T'aa..."], ["Idk why people are against learning. I would love to take it as a casual subject and would love it if no exams will be needed or assessment is done in a \"pbs\" manner. In my eyes it's same as learning Japanese or french. ps: Im an Indian dude who went to tamil vernacular school Plus imagine the bragging rights to say I know another something extra lol", "Thumbs up"], ["saya dari sekolah cina pun sokong. Its just writing lol."], ["Let student made the choices of languages they want to learn... no need to enforce."], ["Maybe it's time that Malaysia brings in overseas talent from progressive Muslim countries (Palestinians/Lebanese/Syrians, including from the \"stan\" countries from the former Soviet Union) who are more culturally attuned to the Malaysian culture and who can help grow the Malaysian economy/society with entrepreneurship and hard work. Malaysia has great potential and it's time to change the tune.\nTired of the antics from the \"Middle Kingdom\" escapees who refuse to integrate/assimilate and insist that without them, the Malaysian economy will tank. Their casual racism, anti-social behaviour, entitlement, superiority complex, etc, rankles all.\nLet their brain drain continue. Replace them with them with better DNA from abroad.", "Louder."], ["I'm not well verse in this topic so feel free to bash away\nFew page of jawi/khat introduction is fine, imo. My problem with it is: why? Instead of jawi/khat, why not include bahasa pasar or even kelate slang? Isnt that a better way to increase unity between races, according to the bahasa purist nationalist? Why add jawi into the mix?\nIs jawi/khat malay culture, or malaysia culture? If we admit that jawi is malaysia culture, will it be used on the non, that we are not malaysian enough for not being good in jawi/khat, like how bm is weaponised?\nCan dap proof that said decision was not a move to buy malay votes? Can dap proof that they are not politicking education? Was that agenda always in their country development plan even during their time as opposition?\nYes I despise dz and cinapek that exxagerate the influence of jawi/khat onto the non's culture. They are naive and ill informed, big part of the blame goes to you guys who didn't communicate beforehand. Still, Them being a dick doesn't mean that this decision is not an opportunist decision to cement their position within the malay community. You like the so much, you go kiss their ass lo. Why blame us pula? Use knee as brain also can foresee the reaction your core voters will give lah. We are not obliged to give you undying support. Sorry we are not pas voters.", "Everyday I am convinced that multiculturalism is more a liability than advantage. Every subject no matter how small and non-issue would always go back to the question of race and religion.", "That's because multiculturalism is seen as liability by the government. The public doesn't trust the government's effort in promoting multiculturalism anymore, when the only culture that they have keep pushing onto us are malay culture only. The constant effort in \"malayfication\" and emphasiz ING on malay's right is total opposite of what multiculturalism is.", "Brings back to my point how big a liability multiculturalism is. A move by a government to integrate a minority into larger society will always sees as \u201cmalayfication\u201d and whatnot. And a move by a government to promote non native and foreign cultures will always filled with skeptisicm by majority. Then why should we hang on to this so called \u201cmulticulturalism\u201d?", "Multiculturalism works if the system is fair and actually promotes it. So instead of saying multiculturalism is a liability, I'd say a government tht pretends is the liability. Multiculturalism is to have a common identity for all races (malaysian) instead of focusing on a group identity (malay). Indonesia is such country. What malaysia is doing, is what ccp is doing to Tibet and Hong Kong.", "First of all what common identity do we all have?\nSecond, your examples of saying Malaysia\u2019s policy on minority is as bad as ccp shows your lack of depth of global politics and misconstrued idea of ccp repressive communism with china characteristic policy. Bear in mind the word halal is not allowed on shops in mainland china due to the ccp stands on arabic words as not \u201cchinese\u201d. This is akin to Malaysia gov prohibits any chinese character not being displayed on any shops. Last time I checked in every mall in Malaysia the usage of chinese is freely use in every bloody shop.\nThirdly, comparing malaysia\u2019s mere effort to make chinese and indians into bangsa malaysia to indonesia bangsa indonesia is overwhelmingly ridiculous. There was no common identity amongst the indonesians except bahasa indonesia and bhineka tunggal ika. A collective effort from all natives indonesians from acheh to papua to cultivate a common identity by the bases of bahasa due to how significant it can be in nation building. Chinese Malaysian and indians Malaysian cant even put an effort let alone participate in the usage of bahasa malaysia in every day use.\nAs a matter of fact malaysian gov has been too lenient to Chinese Malaysian and indian Malaysian than any country in this world.", "Malaysia should be the common identity, not MALAYsia.\nI'm not saying ccp is eroding minority's right. I'm saying ccp's sinicization effort on it's districts, such as replacing traditional mandarin with simplified mandarin in china. Their attempt to replace local culture with their own, in the name of assimilation, is exactly what the government is doing to the non malay in malaysia. Assimilation is exact opposite of multiculturalism, and we know multiculturalism works because indonesia is one such country: everyone embrace an identity that isn't bias toward a specific majority.\nThis is akin to Malaysia gov prohibits any chinese character not being displayed on any shops.\nThis is akin to Malaysia government who take priority of their own culture over others. No?\nAre malaysia government trying to mould non malay into malaysia, or into malay?\nI guess in the end it all comes down with what malaysia identity is to you. Is it MALAYSIA, os is it MALAYsia.", "Not answering my question. Let me answer for you. We dont. We practice different cultures and religion. Speak almost unintelligible language. I dont see the need for the natives to accomomate to your community. So does your community towards mine.\nAgain you are showing your lack of knowledge in global politics. ccp gov\u2019s move to change to simplified chinese is to increase literacy amongst chinese citizens albeit it is rather a political move by mzd. I dont think comparing malaysia vis a vis china as a political framework analysis is the right comparison here. China has been an empire(and currently is)throughout its history and never been fully subjugated by western powers (fully debatable on 100 years of humiliation) but nonetheless a country like fiji, mauritius and other african countries like sierra leone zambia malawi should be a comparable analysis.\nYour point on indonesia just solidifies my argument on multiculturalism is more of a liability and you have been playing around the grey area of integration and assimilation. It is pointless to illuminate either one since your definition of multiculturalism is flawed. Pointing out on indonesian nationalism whilst adamant on Malaysia version \u201cmulticulturalism\u201d as repressive since it promotes Malay culture as a unifying factor is counterproductive to your argument on indonesia grounds. This Shows that you observe only through a single lens wile expousing the Malays should give way to accomodate more to foreign culture. The irony.\nIt is and always will be MALAYsia. No more accommodating and give way to foreign cultures like we did and suffered from western powers before. I strongly believe the ordinary natives of Malaysia will take the helm from every aspect of our nation life from economics to politics.", "I did answered your question. Its just that the answer is not what you are looking for, that's why you dont recognise it as my answer.\nMalaysia should be and can be a common identity for all races who resides in Malaysia, similar with how Indonesian did it. Malaysia should represent geological identity (Malaya peninsular + Sabah sarawak, which is the correct interpreteation) and shouldnt represent cultural identity (MALAYsia as in land of the Malays, which is the nationalist's interpretation). This is why Jawi/khat, which is a malay heritage, shouldnt be tie with Malaysia culture as a whole and force it upon everyone else. one dont have to be malay to be a malaysian, is all i'm trying to say. should we learn more about our brothers? of course. should it be classified as malaysia culture, as you have done right now? no. malay culture is just part of malaysia culture, not the other way around. that is why I have responded with this comment previously : \"Malaysia should be the common identity, not MALAYsia.\"\nI have no idea how you cannot see that ccp trying to replace traditional character + cantonese in hongkong (an established culture in hongkong) with simplified character + mandarin is not a move of assimilation. ccp is trying to assimilate hongkies into more mainland chinese like, isnt that a fact? china is an empire, so does malaysia. i dont understand why we cannot use ccp as an example to show how assimilation simply means overlapping one's culture onto another.\nIndonesian didn't assimilate. they all integrated as indonesian. Malaysia on the other hand, has never stopped trying to assimilate non malay as malay simply because they think that the land and country is theirs. the difference here is that all races in indonesian thinks that they belong, while in malaysia only 1 race thinks that they belong, and other are guests who should be more like them if they wish to stay. There are no grey area, only your inability to acknowledge the clear differences.\n> Pointing out on indonesian nationalism whilst adamant on Malaysia version \u201cmulticulturalism\u201d as repressive since it promotes Malay culture as a unifying factor\nim not sure what you are trying to say. I've said that malaysia should focus on multiculturalism and should move away from focusing on 1 race's culture. What we are doing now, is not \"multiculturalism\", it's assimilation. that is totally opposite of what indonesian is, which is why i have used it to highlight the problem with malaysia's assimilation policies. I have not once asked malays to embrace foreign culture. I have been saying that all races should embrace their own culture, but not impose those onto other races forcefully.\nThe irony here is how you think malay shouldnt embrace foreign culture, while totally ok with other culture to embrace malay culture.\n> It is and always will be MALAYsia\nTell that to the sabahan sarawakian. MALAYsia is a stupid concept that alienate every race other than the malays, including aborigines resides in Malaya peninsular and borneo. MALAYA federation is malay's, i can give you that. but MALAYSIA is not malay's. its a federation of states that consist of malay and non malay owned lands. it has nothing to do with foreign or local power.", "Your last sentence pretty much sums up why most Sarawakian and now more Sabahan are quite wary of the malays."], ["I think the issue with this is that there is a bunch of problems waiting to be addressed. Ppl has unusually high expectations on PH but PH has addressed nothing except for trivial matters, such as this. This is still the case with this term of PH. Years after years and same story 'UMNO aldy 60 yrs why can't give PH few more years.' This is not a competition to see who is more incompetent."], ["Tony Pua and Ong Kian Ming are your typical Oxbridge smug self serving asshats. And yes I've met a bunch of them. These people think they are superior and everyone are just dumb little chess pieces to be manipulated."], ["This whole thread just shows how racist and close-minded are some Chinese Malaysian and Indian Malaysians are."], ["Hello, friends. It's not only Malays who use Jawi. The Cham minority in Vietnam and Cambodia also use Jawi, which includes some additional letters, such as Pa etc... I can confirm that if you know Jawi, you'll likely understand Arabic letters as well (good benefit right. Ya habibi). Using Jawi doesn't necessarily mean you must be Muslim. Historically, successful kingdoms like Ayutthaya and Champa used Jawi too. If minority groups in Arab countries, including Jews, can speak and write Arabic, then why can't politically influential minorities do the same? Take example of a famous youtuber Xiaomanyc, who is from the USA, speaking Chinese and earning considerable respect from locals for preserving their language. Similarly, if you embrace Malay language, Jawi and their culture, the Malay people will respect you as well. But hey the arrogant keep coming ..."], ["Oh dia ni yg kalah fitnah dulu tu kan? Yang kena bayar RM350,000 tu"], ["And how many Chinese manufacturers are putting jawi on the product labels? Hypocrites.."], ["\"if my son goes to school and come back as muslim\"\nLOL cam bodo.\nsame vibe as \"tengok salib tak boleh mengucap\"\ndua2 bodo mudah keliru geng.", "https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2019/07/27/subtle-religious-conversion-of-orang-asli-children-still-going-on-in-school/1775255"], ["Heh, what to do. Everyone should have a voice, right?"], ["How about rukun negara? Imo the cultural significance of Jawi, e.g. Learning about what's written on your bank notes mean much more than. \"kepercayaan kepada tuhan\""], ["I mean, Jawi is pretty much cursive Malay. I fail to see the problem learning it."], ["Jawi is just another writing form etched within our country's history without any religious undertone\nThat said, I personally haven't met people that could write in it, it does seem interesting though"], ["I can read jawi but can't write. I always get F during school."], ["Bro just flexing his rm50 smh /j"], ["10/10 campaigning. Blame your supporter."], ["Full podcast\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE_3tV2v71E"], ["Sauce?"], ["Its honestly so stupid. The reaction by everyone is one of the worst I seen.\nI got so many comments by my chinese colleagues why need to learn jawi, its too hard and trying to turn malaysia into arab state. No reason for them to learn. Tried my best to inform its one of the easiest alphabet to learn cause it almost mirror latin alphabet as in u just need to connect the alphabet to form a sound. Not to mention its not really learning but just informing as it was just 1 page.\nI also got comments from my malay colleagues they felt chinese don't want to try to understand them and their culture despite us coexisting. It really deepen the divide between majority and chinese bubble."]]}
+{"title": "PADU online portal. Expected to open 12am 2hb Jan 2024. I will attempt to login (if it doesn't hang). URL below.", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vslio/padu_online_portal_expected_to_open_12am_2hb_jan/", "num_comment": 20, "flairlabel": ["Economy & Finance"], "header": "https://www.padu.gov.my/", "comments": [["The middle class will sweat because they do not know what they will lose after disclosure . \ud83d\ude05", "Suddenly taxed af. So better check so govt don't Oops and make a mistake :26559:", "You just exceeded our cutoff limit for petrol subsidy by rm200. You have to pay full price from next month.", "You joke but it happened to my mom. It was her first experience filing tax relief on her own after my father suffered from stroke and had to take long sabbatical leave from work.\nDue to my father long keave, she accidently check my father as unemployed which grants tax relief of RM4000. Thing is Inland Revenue double checked the info with my dad's account and found that he is still employed. So my mom didn't receive the RM4000 relief and still pay the actual amount of income tax.\nThat was in 2019\nThis year, a letter from Inland revenue came demanding almost RM2000 from her in additional tax from that one misclick years ago.\nSo please verify data with PADU or other gov agencies to be correct else you'll pay the price", "More like: Fuel getting expensive? Why not convert to EV? We have rebates, no road tax fee for first year boa bla bla. Oh btw we're increasing the electricity tariff. Majulah bersama Madani \ud83e\udef6\ud83c\udffb\u2764\ufe0f", "200k ev \u2620\ufe0f", "There are cheaper EVs. But yes cheapest is probably RM110K"], ["they still dont change the ai background only blur it a bit so people dont notice lmao:26554:"], ["What is PADU (from Soyacincau.com) .\nThe objective of PADU is to combine all the data from various government agencies into a single database. Through PADU, the government believe that it will be able to get a clearer picture of the household income in Malaysia which would then enable it to distribute subsidies more effectively as well as establish better policies in the future.\nWhen users log into PADU, they will see more than 270 data fields in the system. In addition to personal information such as full name, MyKad number, and age, you will also be able to see information regarding dependents, income, vehicles, and many more.\nIn other words, you don\u2019t have to input information into the system from scratch. All in all, what PADU needs for you is to verify and update the information that it has gathered from other agencies although do note that you only have up until 31 March 2024 to do this.", "Says combine data from various gov agencies. So why do we need to key in details manually? Im sure all the data they need can get at str, lhdn, epf, jpn, kastam, immigration and so on.", "From what I've read before in another article, you don't really need to key in any info unless your info in the database pulled from various agencies are outdated."], ["data are secure ?", "Probably not"], ["Centralized data that will be the focal point of attack by hackers? Sign me up!"], ["Still not open :29091: Malaysia Boleh!"], ["What the hell is this anyway"], ["Headed by Rafizi, made by civil servants, combining data from multiple agencies..\nYeah, I'm gonna stand back and watch the inevitable explosions first."], ["Cybersecurity is kil"]]}
+{"title": "Seluang Sarawak, Rasbora sarawakensis", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vsb4l/seluang_sarawak_rasbora_sarawakensis/", "num_comment": 2, "flairlabel": ["Environment"], "header": "Ikan kecil (5-6 cm) yg di Malaysia hanya ada di selatan Sarawak, seperti Kuching dan Bau.\nMempunyai jalur biru yg memberi nama BI dia \u201cblue-line Rasbora\u201d. Tidak ada nilai komersial dalam negara.\nSeperti seluang lain, ia insektivor dan suka berenang ramai-ramai", "comments": [["Really neat spotlight on a local fish. Seems like a neat schooling fish to keep in a planted tank. Despite not being as eye catching as the more popular chilies they still look neat", "I think they are one of the most colourful true Rasbora species in Malaysia.\nMost are silvery like Rasbora myersi and Rasbora vulgaris. And some have no photographs due to rarity so I don\u2019t know about those"]]}
+{"title": "Police Checkpoint along Jalan Ampang in Kuala Lumpur. 1950s", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vrfct/police_checkpoint_along_jalan_ampang_in_kuala/", "num_comment": 1, "flairlabel": [], "header": "", "comments": [["road sure are greener in the past /j"]]}
+{"title": "Visiting Malaysia during Ramadan?", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18w2dvm/visiting_malaysia_during_ramadan/", "num_comment": 15, "flairlabel": ["Tourism & Travel"], "header": "Hello\nMe and two friends are looking at a trip to Malaysia during Ramadan, and we are non muslims, not interested in anything with ramadan.\nWe are interested in having a good time, scuba diving, enjoying the beaches, nature and wildlife, and of course also to enjoy a beer in the evening and perhaps a party or two. We are 30 yr olds.\nHow will Ramadan affect our trip? Will Hostels be empty? Will bars and restaurants be closed? Will activities be restricted?\nAny insight would be greatly appreciated, before we evaluate if we go forward with this.\nThank you", "comments": [["Hello! Eateries & bars will be open during Ramadan so no worries there. I don\u2019t think hostels are ever empty and no, activities won\u2019t be restricted whatsoever!"], ["Probably the best time to visit as well. During day time restaurants, malls and tourist attractions are definitely less pack than usual"], ["Will Hostels be empty? Will bars and restaurants be closed?\n> In the city? never. You might want to check on hotel prices as it might be cheap for you. Hostel can be hit and miss at times.\nscuba diving, enjoying the beaches, nature and wildlife\n> Rural areas tends to be Muslim majority. Some areas still have non-muslim resident so there is a possibility you can find Chinese eateries but they follow specific opening hours. In towns you should be able to easily find KFC/ McDonalds as last resort - in general food options should be there in towns. It really depends where you have this activities. You better check in advance if the operators are fasting.", "If you're going diving, I suggest staying at Legend on Redang Island. There's a non-halal restaurant about 200m down the beach."], ["As a muslim, I think this is the best time for you to come. Lots of muslim are busy doing ramadhan things n prepare for eid, so u have less crowd at your intended place to go, eg camping site."], ["Plenty of places still open, its not as bad as the Middle East where its legit trickier to find open restaurants during fasting hours - Malaysia has a larger number of non-muslims (30%+) so establishments run by non muslims are still operating as usual. That or happy eating fast food."], ["In the major urban/tourist areas you won\u2019t have a problem, if you venture out into the more rural areas, you might find some places that are closed. Malaysia made up of more than just Muslims, so there are plenty of non-Muslims who don\u2019t celebrate Ramadan and non-Muslim restaurant owners. Best places to find scuba diving is on the east coast (Perhentian Islands, Redang, etc) or east Borneo."], ["Definitely business as usual in ramadan. For scuba diving and nature activities maybe consider going to Sabah and Sarawak since they have larger proportions of non-muslims therefore the tourist activities would less likely to be affected"], ["muslim restaurants can be closed and popular break fast places (KFC) can be full after 5pm\nyou have ramadan markets, but careful with them if the food looks old , dont bother"], ["On diving, most dive resorts will have food provided as usual, but do check on dive site quality during you planned visit as the Vis will vary with the season"], ["Great time to visit actually"], ["There's definitely less crowds during ramadan except when muslims break their fast (around 6-7 pm) which you will likely see muslim restaurants packed to the brim. Some muslim based restaurants might be open a bit later than usual though but everything else shoul be operating as normal."], ["No, no, and no. Just expect to travel as usual. But if you intended to try some Malay food, perhaps you have to wait till around 4pm+"], ["I actually have a question regarding this too.\nwill they assume you're Muslim if you have tanned skin? how can you avoid being accused of not fasting? just avoid eating out straight up?"]]}
+{"title": "Grow your own vegetables, CAP tell M\u2019sians as market prices shoot up", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wdcxf/grow_your_own_vegetables_cap_tell_msians_as/", "num_comment": 32, "flairlabel": ["Food"], "header": "", "comments": [["Dia ingat semua orang kaya, got landed house to plant things?", "If you born 30 years earlier, can buy a landed house with fresh grad salary. In that era, almost everyone got a landed house lol.", "There's actually loads of veggies that you don't need landed property to plant.\nA small pot is enough to grow a chilli plant.\nYou can grow taugeh in a patch of wet tissue paper and a sieve.\nThe issue isn't space. The issue is time. Nobody has time to put the work into planting, taking care and harvesting these plants.\nB40 chaps work multiple jobs to put food on the table.\nM40 people work late hours in their singular job and get caught in traffic.", "Space is still a problem. Sure its easy to grow taugeh - but unless you want to die of malnutrition/starvation, you need to grow a lot of taugeh if its your only source of veggies. Especially if you're feeding more than 1 mouth.\nAnd veggies aren't even the most expensive part of the dinner table. Is he going to suggest that people living in condos start raising chickens, too?\nThese people are so out of touch that I don't even. Might as well ask why people don't just eat cake if they can't afford roti.", "Know about hydroponics?", "Do you know not all apartments or condo got balcony?", "Do you know about indoor growing?"], ["CAP is a mum and pop fearmongering company. They used to come up with the HIDDEN DANGERS OF MICROWAVES and other books like that."], ["Is this a blatant show off?"], ["That's just stupid.\nMeanwhile, there is 103,563 hectares of abandoned or idle farmland around the country ..", "Got owner, even if abandoned or idle also nothing we can do about it. Otherwise we can solve homelessness with all the abandoned or idle houses.", "Quite a portion of government land or glc owned are also abandoned.", "So?"], ["These old boomers never change. Grow on vege la, rare own chicken la, rare own fish la, grow on rice la, bila going to say extract own petrol when subsidi remove? Bangang betul!", "Or or or if don't have money go rob bank"], ["This guy has forgotten economies of scale exists. It's not worth the effort to spend time and money to grow small quantity of food when one can just work an extra hour or two and buy more."], ["What's the point of consumer association if they can't do jack shit and ask people to solve their own problems?\nLike that clown Rafizi asking us to eat fish if chicken expensive.", "kalau harga sayur tu dah mahal sangat, jangan makan sayur", "Kalau itu duit jadi kecil, print la itu duit besar sikit.", "To be fair,ini Mat Jargon yang suggest, bukan Piji", "Yala duit helicopter"], ["<image>"], ["With what land?"], ["Up next : \"Print your own money, CAP tells Malaysians as more people are unemployed\"", "Darn good idea. You should develop this idea further. Maybe even get crowd-finding to seed you money to get started."], ["Imagine people begin to grow own stuff and petani income dropped...\nThen suddenly need permit to grow stuff.."], ["vegetable price actually quite ok, it is eating outside that hurt.\nif you eat 2 less meal outside, may be can buy whole week of vege already.", "At certain times no, the price is not ok. There was this 1 time, I buy sawi just enough for 2 people, rm5. Thats ridiculous. These past few month the price is ok, like rm2 like that. Now will probably shoot up again.\nNot to mention onion price also high now. The cheapest i found was rm5/kilo."], ["Stop being poor, that's what they are saying."], ["Want pork then rear own pig? Want beef rear cow? Want mutton rear goat?"], ["They think people that complain about inflation just sit at home twiddling their thumbs isn\u2019t it ? Not that I don\u2019t know anyone doing just that , but they are the minority"], ["Wait, I don't eat veggies. I only eat pork. Can I rear these little porcine fellows, too, on my balcony?"]]}
+{"title": "Zahid confirms 'Dubai Move' plot", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18whkvo/zahid_confirms_dubai_move_plot/", "num_comment": 40, "flairlabel": ["Politics"], "header": "", "comments": [["Here we go again... for fuck's sake."], ["How we got here once again:\nNo, there's no law to stop MPs. At best, some parties with Anti-Hopping Law AND amended Party Constitutions can sack \u2192 MP by-election. At best. But, expect a few seats to flip to PN anyways as BN & PH are not as electorally dominant as they once were. That's the best case. Otherwise, just like the recent 5x Bersatu frogs lah: PH or BN MPs will switch to the PN MP as PM, but remain in their party.\nWhat if bribes happened? Azam Baki essentially made all Sheraton Move actions \"halal\" in 2020 and 2021. Unfortunately, Anwar re-appointed Azam Baki, so don't expect any MPs to be prosecuted even if we get clear evidence of bribes. And Azam Baki has a poor track record of convictions anyways. And gov't change is absolutely possible: you don't lose your MP seat until the final appeal\u2014likely 2026+ at this point.\nBersatu & PKR frogs during Sheraton Move struck when PH had a much lower approval rating. Same now: Anwar has a poor 50% approval rating.\nSome institutional reforms could've slowed this down, but Anwar & Unity Gov't parties genuinely learned nothing from the Sheraton Move: no recall elections (could do it soon: you have a claimed \u2154 majority\u2014cannot blame PN now lol), no Fixed Term Parliamentary Act, no requirement for a vote of confidence (the SDs are coming back!).", "Don't @ me that Azam Baki was \"necessary\" or \"there wasn't any corruption\". Azam is a fuck wit and you know it. Everyone involved in the Dubai Move is already off scot-free of any jail time.\nEven if Azam panics with a few charges soon, MACC has become shit at its job under Azam (& not helped as UG failed to pass any whistleblower protection reforms):\n\u2014 Bung acquitted\n\u2014 Najib acquitted (Audit Panel)\n\u2014 Shafee acquitted\n\u2014 Ku Nan acquitted\n\u2014 Zahid acquitted (VLN)\n\u2014 Shahir acquitted\n\u2014 Muhyiddin acquitted (power abuse)", "Damn, bro knows his shit. Thanks for the insight, OP.", "Any idea why Adam Baki was reappointed", "Anwar claimed Azam Baki has been doing a \"satisfactory job\".\nBut, it's more likely Azam Baki's attitude of \"I'll help whichever PM is in power now\", so Anwar signed up immediately with typical new PM insecurity. Unfortunately, Azam is so transparently corrupt and MACC is so rotten to its core \u2192 MACC officers believe MACC may need to be abolished and a new institution with a clean track record established.\nI guess Anwar didn't read that article (or listen to any other whistleblowers...).\nOr maybe Zahid got insecure / worried that an independent MACC might prosecute UMNO into oblivion. What a fucking shame: an independent MACC would've humiliated PN, Bersatu, and PAS.\nRemember that according to the PH & BN binding resolution, the DPM gets to help choose key government officials:\n- The appointment of Dewan Negara members, main posts in government-linked companies and other government posts must first be notified and discussed between the PM and DPM.\nThey didn't name MACC Chief, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't included.\nTL;DR: Anwar & Zahid likely wanted a malleable MACC Chief, like one who'd ram through a massively unprepared prosecution just a few months after GE15 of Muhyiddin and it'd be promptly dismissed by the High Court. Anwar acted all high and mighty when the charges filed...diam ever since Azam & Terrirudin (AG) failed.\n11 March 2023: Focus on your court cases, Anwar advises Muhyiddin\n...led by an incompetent solicitor general (who Anwar appoints as AG soon later!) and an incompetent MACC Chief...\n15 August 2023: Former Malaysian PM Muhyiddin Yassin acquitted on abuse of power charges\nThe moral of the story: don't ever hire incompetent people for critical jobs just because they claim they'll help you. Their incompetence will fuck you over and you'll be caught with your pants down when it matters most.\nSad story is that we all got fucked with Azam sticking around (contract expiring in May-ish this year).", "First rate people hire first rate people, second rate people\u2026.", "... Subcon.", "Hahaha", "Or maybe Zahid got insecure / worried that an independent MACC might prosecute UMNO into oblivion. What a fucking shame: an independent MACC would've humiliated PN, Bersatu, and PAS.\nWhat the point of having your enemy in jail, if you be having dinner with them every day.", "Ah yes, Anwar did the ol' switcharoo thinking he'll have the last laugh.\nLongest PM in waiting konon", "Some institutional reforms could've slowed this down, but Anwar & Unity Gov't parties genuinely learned nothing from the Sheraton Move\nTHIS. Absolutely no one in Malaysia will push through systemic/ institutional reforms, but then will be all ::shocked pikachu face:: when people waltz thru loopholes they never bothered to close."], ["Ahmad Zahid Hamidi has confirmed the \"Dubai Move\" plot as reported recently.\nThe deputy prime minister said the movement not only involves Perikatan Nasional leaders, but certain individuals from the government bloc as well.\n\"We received intelligence reports right from their (alleged plotters) flight to the location (Dubai), and got a report afterwards,\" the Umno president told a press conference after attending a briefing session on disaster management in Putrajaya this morning.\n[More to follow]"], ["Kenapa tak boikot these assholes?!", "Relevant. If the rakyat steps up to vote against every katak, kataks will either be forced out of politics or be too afraid to jump."], ["Langkah Sheraton happened 4 years ago. We don't need another one now, especially with flood and covid happening. Those who plot this are morons.", "ikr, everyone just want to get the piece of pie and no one want to fix our issue", "Bold of you to assume they are even thinking about the welfare of the rakyat"], ["Kepentingan sendiri diutamakan, kepentingan rakyat belakang kira"], ["My only wish is for those followers to wake up for Pete sake. Tell me, how many ruling politicians so far sacrifice for our nation? There more of the nation sacrifices for them. Many of them don't give a s*it to the well being of the nation, let alone it's citizen. Stop being a fool and think for a moment."], ["Sini move, sana move, how about Malaysia finally move?", "moving to holland"], ["Next Agung is sharpening his sword"], ["During these trying times, this bunch of shit heads are plotting to overthrow the government and jeopardize the much needed stability.\nWe can't afford another political mess that can potentially put this nation in a worse situation than we are at now. This nation has much more pressing issues to pay attention to rather than letting this bunch of self serving politicians play politics games.\nReally tired of this la cibaiii .."], ["Mereka dah lama merancang. Kita je yang lalai."], ["For fucks sake, cant even red the whole report. Shit MalaysiaKini"], ["Goddammit this shit again. Fuck democracy, I want full on monarchy again!", "Johor sultan enters chat"], ["Go so far to make a fail move.."], ["In the words of King Julian, I like to move it, move it."], ["so these mofos went to Dubai when their places are in DEEP shit?"], ["Just start SB on those fellas. \ud83d\ude02"], ["If only there were a law against sedition."], ["<image>\nyuiop confirms \u2019Dubai Move\u2019 plot"], ["As long as Borneo is with the gov. Then it\u2019s not gonna happen however you may plot. With Johor Sultan coming in soon, they were just trying their chances. That\u2019s all.", "GPS members were rumoured to be in this plot. They were also part of Sheraton move and also met with Muhyddin first in 2022.\nCertain people at the top of GPS are keen on working with PAS and PN because it means they don't have to work with the opposition in their state who are a thorn in their sides.\nThe only reason why they picked Anwar is because they still fear their voters who are staunchly agaisnt anything PAS.\nSabah side even worse, no loyalty to any party and no fear of their own people. They just jump where they think the water is good.", "Actually GPS is loyal to BN. They will go where BN goes. In current circumstances, I think they see zahid as not someone that represents BN. BN itself actually wants to go with PN.\nBack to topic, I dont rhink its the right time to change administration.\nFor me, anwar should know full well his so called 2/3 majority is a shaky one. Im not sure why he had so much confidence in it. He shouldnt have pushed the opposition to a corner. In times like these, he should find a way to work together."], ["Not this again when new year just started."], ["is it just me or is Zahid looking kinda rough in that photo?"]]}
+{"title": "How to get scammed", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vstrg/how_to_get_scammed/", "num_comment": 85, "flairlabel": [], "header": "Saw this at a tech store not too long ago.", "comments": [["You laugh but won't be surprised to see tech illiterate people fall for these kind of sellers.", "That's might be me... Is this cheap or expensive?", "Super expensive. Both CPU and GPU are outdated.\nThis is what you can get with RM5k today. Much better specs with the latest GPU. Not the absolute best specs (top tier PC cost a lot more than 5k) but it's good enough for the current gen of PC games.", "Oh god, this is just the desktop. Not including monitors and keyboard if you don't own those before.", "Need to add another RM500 at the very least for a decent monitor, mechanical keyboard and a mouse. A basic 24\" Samsung monitor is RM339, a Royal Kludge mech keyboard is RM130 and a Logitech \"gaming\" mouse is RM70. Add Shopee voucher and it will go down to RM500. Can always replace them later if got budget.\nAlso, it's cheaper to buy the PC parts separately than buy a custom build one like I posted above. The downside is you'll need to install everything but you can always ask someone you know to do it.", "The shops (in lowyat for eg) could assemble them for you if you could pick the components yourself.", "Lmao, 4070 and still cheaper than this 1060 abomination", "I'm pretty sure you can do better if you don't get a prebuilt kekw\nhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/XrJwCd if 5.3k is possible then this would be way better (1TB SSD, non shit PSU, non shit RAM, non shit case and also maybe motherboard, better CPU)", "My guy that's 5k dollar \ud83d\ude2d\ud83d\ude2d\ud83d\ude2d", "Mana harga 5k tu tgk dkt gambar 1.3k", "Tu harga monitor la sis", "Even if you are tech illiterate you can always look up for the market prices of average PCs in Lazada or Shopee or ask questions at r/pcmasterrace", "r/buildapc is the right place to go. pcmr is mostly for unfunny memes.", "Nahh, I've been using Huawei P50 Pocket Premium Edition since 2022, it just MYR7,209.99"], ["RM 5k for GTX1060 PC \ud83e\udd23", "Even during covid this is not worth 5k, WTF!!!"], ["Which tech store! This is making me super angry.", "Many electronics store sell tv , fridge and sell pc as extra. They don\u2019t even fix pc stuff and sell outdate pc with original prices haha", "SenQ", "IIRC its the SenQ store at Queensbay Penang"], ["Ah yes, since this is the last unit I give you special price. Proceeds to add 100% to the original price.", "I mean, it is a special price technically"], ["5k for a GTX1060 is meme af lol", "FWIW, 1060 Super"], ["That's why if you don't know much about computers, bring someone who does when buying one. Unfortunately I see this more often than it should. Sellers trying to get rid of old stock but maintain the same selling price despite how old it is. RM 5,199 might be fine back when those are the current generation (I think 2020?). But in 2024 that's unacceptable.", "5199 was insane even back when the 1060 launched (around 2016?)\nin 2020 sure you can justify it because new CPU but like even then I was seeing 1060 builds go for RM3k", "Oh shit you\u2019re right, 1060 is even older. They never could\u2019ve sold this for 5199 at any point in time.", "same advice when buying a car. those dealers are ruthless."], ["looking at those specs for that price is making me cry, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GTX 1060 SUPER!!!!!"], ["10gen i7 with 1060.... 5K alrdy ah. shit ill sell my 1050ti for 2.5k", "insane considering we're at 14th gen now I think.", "display unit summore", "I wish this was illegal lol", "keyboard n mouse \"free\" ahahaha if they put n that monitor mayyybeee", "it's stock clearance without the stock clearance price.", "I think 14th gen will have bottleneck performance cause 12th gen have bottleneck", "where's it coming from?", "https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/1uj1cy/1/general-tasks/1920x1080/"], ["aside from pricing and outdated specs, \"last unit\" term is also another strategy to hook buyers. triggering the sensation where its your last chance to own it\nkalau terlepas menyesal", "Only to feel the brunt of buyer's remorse once you've purchased the unit. Emphasis on the remorse."], ["Lmao seriously those who have lived overseas will feel like the whole of Msia is scam. Everything is so expensive, especially electronics. At this price you can buy much much better parts from Amazon US even if it means paying shipping and duties \ud83d\ude02", "thats what i did when i bought my intel GPU. i saved more than rm200 than buying from lowyatt despite taxes."], ["Do we have a Malaysia tech subreddit so we can ask opinion and avoid getting scam?", "Just ask in the daily general discussion post, surprisingly active responses"], ["Some parents might think this is a good deal for a gift for their children lol"], ["Just like furniture stores with their \"closing down\" sale"], ["For a 10 rtx series and 5k plus, that is a complete scam"], ["Kawkaw markup. Can get rtx3060 lol", "U can build new system with 7800xt with that price tho"], ["SUPER SALE DISCOUNT OF RM 0.00"], ["Bro i got 1060 lying around in my closet, i can give it for free, if its still works tho"], ["This is why you survey other stores and price points with their respective specs.\nIt took me 1 week worth of research to buy myself a gaming laptop. I took screenshots of 5 products and compared every piece of their hardware and software relative to their spec, generations and actual market price fluctuations.\nIn the end I got myself a 2nd-hand msi gp63 leopard 8re for 3.1k in 2020. The original price point was 5k+. And that took another few days of research too for a checkup Check list. I was also very tech illiterate back then but have sufficient interest in them to actually look into these things."], ["Maybe the RCP is last month price, ringgit getting weaker afterall"], ["I have a Trident, they can be really good deals too. Not this one of course."], ["Mid setup for 5k lol"], ["I didnt even think that 1060 super exist lmao"], ["I'm waiting for the how"], ["Too expensive. GPU old."], ["1060S\uff0cmined gpu I guess. Physical store does potong kepala a lot."], ["wtf"], ["where is the store? i want to know.."], ["i always knew the price for pc parts in msia is expensive but god DAMN. also imo building your own pc>>buying it"], ["I just look at that GPU and be like \"nahhhh\""], ["Bro good luck trying to run any modern games with that GPU. Anything will be unplayable"], ["i got better for 1/5th the price.\n11th gen i9 with 8 cores, 32GB ram, threw in some random HDD, put it in a 1U case and started running AI with the avx_vnni."], ["I'm guessing the CPU contribute much to the price but goddamn RM5,199 for GTA1060?!"], ["Mak aii cekik darah"], ["Covid reseller just called me. They want their prices back."], ["I hope that place shuts down."], ["Honestly as someone who is PC illiterate, I am so glad that I have friends that know more abt this than I do."], ["Looks like one of those prebuilt stock 'gaming' PC from an older era. They still kept their original retail price even after all these years for some stupid reason.\nNot worth it for a 1060 Super + 512Gb SSD. Even with the 'free' monitor. Im making a rough calculation here, but the value would be around RM1k for the parts, and RM1k for the CPU, RM400 for the motherboard. So RM2.4k overall, not including the monitor, mouse, keyboard, PSU and assembly. 'Free' items are usually added into the total price with a discount. Assuming thats the MSI Optix MAG 27'', the RM1.4k pricing would be discounted to 1k in the total, which is the same price at Shopee. Keyboard + mouse looks to be MSI branded, but probably not that great anyway."], ["1060 super...lol"], ["What a load of shit."], ["Diorang ni kalau tak tipu tak boleh ke? The heck gpu camtu 5k? Hah"], ["wahhh RM5199 for gtx 1060, might as well put 2gb of ram, 256 hdd"], ["Wow that's a surprise, literally I have the same spec. But it cost me Rm2.8K-Rm3k, remember not more than Rm3k but 2019 or 2020 forget exactly the date \ud83d\ude02 the only difference is mine is AMD"], ["I have a question about laptops though. How do we know if it\u2019s a fair price or nah when most of the brands have almost the same price?"], ["I should sell my 1070ti PC at 8K then"], ["Never heard 1060 super, unless it's a typo of 1660 Super. Or maybe 1060 of 6GB variation. And I feel like the price actually covers the monitor since it says \"free\" monitor."]]}
+{"title": "What were you doing on Christmas Day? - Cheras Aeon Maluri, 25.12.23", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wh4pw/what_were_you_doing_on_christmas_day_cheras_aeon/", "num_comment": 52, "flairlabel": [], "header": "", "comments": [["Cheras IPD just beside LOL", "Literally a 2 minute walk hahaha if police run they can probably arrive in 45 seconds\n<image>"], ["Last Christmas I gave you my heart But the very next day you gave it away This year, to save me from tears I'll give it to someone special\nWham - Last Christmas", "Last rizzmas, I gave you my gyat, the very next day, biboo taxed it away, this year, to save me from :D, I'll give it to someone bau bau\nKoseki bijou - Last rizzmas", "BIBOO NO-"], ["Thank God we don't have guns innit", "We ave parang bruv."], ["Everybody was kung fu fighting."], ["Cinematic shots lol"], ["That rotate camera looks like some games trailer lmao", "Yeah, better than GTA 6!"], ["the song really fucking elevate this. i am laughing my ass off rn. why these motherfuckers look like cartoon characters?"], ["GTA VI vibes."], ["this is amazingly clear lol. i was rooting for the cinematography rather than who's winning :26561:"], ["Probably just finished watching a Tamil movie and wanted to re-enact the fight scenes albeit poorly done. Ah Malaysian Indians at thier finest."], ["With the song, they look like they are playing around, lmao. Add snow and it's a snow fight."], ["Damn that is high quality camera work good job."], ["Not sure if this is a video shoot for an ad or an actual recording of a public fight. Amazing recording tho"], ["GTA Malaysian version"], ["LMFAO THAT SONG THOUGH."], ["the fighting is funny, but the song took me OUT \ud83d\ude02\ud83d\ude02"], ["Got balls to fight near the police station lol (near Sunway velocity)"], ["Bro just dodge the punch like kungfu fighting"], ["This is why dumb country mustn't allow to have guns. Wait..."], ["R/praisethecameraman"], ["The stereotype checks out"], ["Black people and their gang"], ["Sape menang?"], ["It's the New Year spirit"], ["Don't let them swing. Always close distance and use body weight. Force them into submission"], ["moto tu lawan arus.\nkasi saman."], ["Everybody was kung fu fighting nowadays"], ["Best camera movement in the sub."], ["Their movements funny as hell"], ["I go to that area (Aeon, Velocity Mall) at least twice a week and never had it crossed my mind that this kind of thing could happen there, especially at that particular spot because yes, as someone here already mentioned it is right beside the Cheras IPD."], [""], ["- Shot on iPhone"], ["Ooh!! When is this comedy flick coming to cinemas? Would love to watch the full movie! /s"], ["They thought unboxing day was boxing day"], ["This is not how you do boxing day!"], ["Why always them?"], ["dey , ko igt ni cerita tamil ka ?"], ["Nice cinematography."], ["GTA 6 looks lit"], ["looks fake tbh"], ["r/PraiseTheCameraMan"], ["Ni baru betul 1 on 1."], ["Nice cinematic shot!"], ["The song is just chef kiss"]]}
+{"title": "PAS slams Pua over \u2018no substance in parliamentary debates\u2019 jibe", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wj4x0/pas_slams_pua_over_no_substance_in_parliamentary/", "num_comment": 4, "flairlabel": ["Politics"], "header": "Its deputy president Tuan Ibrahim Tuan Man says opposition MPs raised matters about the economy, climate change and the ringgit\u2019s depreciation.", "comments": [["Pot: Hello you.\nKettle: Hello."], ["Tuan Ibrahim raised matters about climate change? Isn\u2019t he the one said Msia isn\u2019t affected by climate change? \ud83e\udd23\ud83e\udd23\ud83e\udd23\ud83e\udd23\ud83e\udd23\ud83e\udd23\ud83e\udd23"], ["while issues revolving around attire, language, race and religion were barely touched upon by the representatives.\nMore proofs that 60year olds should not be in parliament\nThis is the same man that kata old women need to be diselamatkan via poligami", "Kami rela untuk berbakti untuk penyelamatan ini. :26554:"]]}
+{"title": "Malaysian visitors add RM267mil to Hatyai economy during festive season", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vykua/malaysian_visitors_add_rm267mil_to_hatyai_economy/", "num_comment": 0, "flairlabel": ["Tourism & Travel"], "header": "", "comments": []}
+{"title": "Is anyone working as a vet nurse in Aus/NZ?", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18whz45/is_anyone_working_as_a_vet_nurse_in_ausnz/", "num_comment": 0, "flairlabel": [], "header": "I am working as a veterinarian in MY. Is it better to apply for a work holiday visa and try to get into veterinary nursing or to just email any veterinary clinics in Aus/NZ and hope they sponsor my work permit. Just FYI, I cannot work as a veterinarian overseas as my degree is not internationally recognized. Thanks.", "comments": []}
+{"title": "Demand conditions remain muted across Malaysian manufacturing sector", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wdc2p/demand_conditions_remain_muted_across_malaysian/", "num_comment": 1, "flairlabel": ["Economy & Finance"], "header": "", "comments": [["ringgit must be lower. like 10 ringgit per 1 usd that going to help manufacturing. Source RAFIZI RAMLI"]]}
+{"title": "Malaysian drug 'kingpin' cuffed in Laos - The suspect, identified as Ong Gim Wah, 39, was captured in Laos on Dec 29 during a joint operation between Thailand and Laos.", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wd4yk/malaysian_drug_kingpin_cuffed_in_laos_the_suspect/", "num_comment": 2, "flairlabel": [], "header": "", "comments": [["we got braindrain so bad even druglord leave the country to cari makan elsewhere:26554:"]]}
+{"title": "MET MALAYSIA - Laporan Cuaca 2 Januari 2024 (pagi)", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wd3az/met_malaysia_laporan_cuaca_2_januari_2024_pagi/", "num_comment": 1, "flairlabel": ["Environment"], "header": "", "comments": []}
+{"title": "r/Malaysia geopolitics containment megathread for 02 January 2024", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18w81oo/rmalaysia_geopolitics_containment_megathread_for/", "num_comment": 0, "flairlabel": ["Geopolitical Megathread"], "header": "r/Malaysia geopolitics containment megathread\nThis thread is for all news and discussion on Malaysian geopolitics - primarily the current Israel-Palestine conflict. Please post links and discussion posts as root level comments below!\nGround rules: To keep things civil, personal attacks, flaming and/or bigotry will result in a ban. Also, throwaways are not welcome: you must be >3 months old and have >30 karma to participate.\nRationale: Why we have set this up\nThis thread is sorted by New, and will be refreshed every day!", "comments": []}
+{"title": "Sihir, anyone here had any experience with sihir?", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vtk17/sihir_anyone_here_had_any_experience_with_sihir/", "num_comment": 19, "flairlabel": [], "header": "boleh bagi advice if ada kenalan terkena sihir and what to do?", "comments": [["Funny thing abt sihir is, it cease to exist once you stop believing in it.\nI don't believe in this bullcrap, I don't suffer from it.\nI'm free.", "Sorry to burst your bubble. But \"sihir\" technically exist. Except people are stupid and don't understand what it actually is. It's actually a chemical attack. Bomoh is just a chemist with high charisma to fool people.\nKena sihir is mostly meaning someone broke into your house and poison you with contamination chemicals. Normal vector of attack is consumption, inhalation, or absorption. Meaning spike food, water supply, bed, ventilation.\nIt's either poison, or radiation.\nSo if you suspect a attack. Check and clear your house area of suspicion item. Put CCTV and make sure there's no blind spot."], ["Most sihir is actually TB je..batuk kering and berdarah. Malam2 got sweat. Never got checked and treated for tb then salahkan sihir", "Your comment reminds me of my school friend who got TB. He lost a lot of weight but gained a new nickname. We all called him TB after that lol. He's now a doctor."], ["Last I checked, Ball Lightning is quite OP now. You might wanna check that out."], ["Bro, recite \"4 Qul\" for self protection. Do as much as u can. And seek help. If unable to find any, recite the whole Holy Quran by yourself."], ["read quran everyday in the house\ndo your daily five prayers and the additional ones\nlearn / memorize certain portions of the quran that you can use as prayer\nkeep yourself clean all the time especially if you are a woman (menstruating)\nbe with people often, never stay alone", "The last one is kinda hard tho. What if you work as a security guard"], ["Minum Susu Lembu Jantan Adudu"], ["Kena sihir is mostly meaning someone broke into your house and poison you with contamination chemicals. Normal vector of attack is consumption, inhalation, or absorption. Meaning spike food, water supply, bed, ventilation.\nIt's either poison, or radiation.\nSo if you suspect a attack. 1. Check and clear your house area of suspicion item. 2. Purge your water supply 3. Change your bedsheets. 4. If you don't feel healthy inside. Sakit perut. It's probably poison/drug from spike food/drink. Seek medical treatment.\nPut CCTV and make sure there's no blind spot.\nAnd if you want to be extra sure. Stay somewhere for a week and see if condition improve. Eat only from can food and drink you purchase yourself and keep in secure location. If anyone offer food even from your love one. Don't eat it.\nSend/pay someone to stay at your place for a week. If they fall sick or experience similar conditions. Then confirm someone is attacking you. Only then seek ustaz or whatever spiritual doctor you think can help", "Or ask a dog to sniff your place. They have sensitive nose. So should be able to detect abnormal smell. Be careful if they are avoiding certain area. It means something wrong probably chemical spill or something", "Or maybe just go see a doctor or toxicologist?", "Sure, but you're treating the damage not solving the source of the problem.\nGo see the doctor to treat your wound after getting beat up. The issue is the bully. I'm just suggesting where to look to DEAL WITH IT.\nsee doctor get medicine. But until you found out where and how you get poison. You'll get sick again. If you fail to find the problem early. There's a chance you'll experience organ failure first.", "I don't think you get my point. The reason to see a doctor is to get a diagnosis. Once you have the diagnosis, it'll be easier to identify the source (if it's indeed toxin exposure).\nOr in the most likely scenario, all the tests will come back normal.", "I don't think you get my point.\nNo you. OP ask what to do if kena and I just give suggestions on it and yes that include going to a doctor. Checking your house and cleaning it does also help. Especially if you find suspicious items.", "Is that what bomohs do in the olden days?\nWhat are some of the traps and boobys they use back in the day?", "you are a fool, i bet you also believe humans evolved from monkeys", "Then you bet wrong fool. To be clear, I don't believe in sihir. It's just misunderstood what sihir actually is. Strip away the superstitions. It's Just people sabotaging other people's health/life through the use of chemicals."], ["Can YouTube search \"ustaz kazim elias shirt\"\nThe search results used to be he telling his experience, now the results seems more about giving advice"]]}
+{"title": "Mental Wellness Tuesday - Weekly Check-in", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18w54v2/mental_wellness_tuesday_weekly_checkin/", "num_comment": 2, "flairlabel": [], "header": "Hi /r/Malaysia!\nHow is your day or week going so far? Feel free to use this thread to seek or share self-care ideas, tips for finding a therapist, or links to call/text a hotline. Please note that redditors are not mental wellness professionals and you should seek professional assistance if possible.\nRemember, be kind, always.\nAdditional resources:\n/r/MyHappyPill - mental wellness related subreddit for Malaysians\n/r/Malaysia's mental health wiki - /r/Malaysia's mental wellness repository\nMental wellness related subreddits\nMCO: Affordable mental health services", "comments": [["I lost the trust of the person closest to me, I lost good friends, I lost my unborn child which I buried with my own hand, We lost most of our savings because house got broken into, everyday waking up anxious.\nStill somehow I am hopeful for this year. I hope it will be a good year. Need to let go of the past. For indeed, with hardship [will be] ease.", "I'm very very sorry to hear. That was super difficult. I'm glad that you're able to keep going despite the hardship. You have admirable strength. Stay strong my friend."]]}
+{"title": "KKM Smoking Fine", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vw9bt/kkm_smoking_fine/", "num_comment": 6, "flairlabel": [], "header": "Hello all. Just wanna ask if anyone here has ever been given a summons by KKM before for smoking in Zon Laragan Merokok?\nBasically my dumbass decided to vape and kena tangkap by the abang KKM.\nAnybody know what the procedure is? Do I still have to go to court after paying the fine?", "comments": [["I got kena once back in 2016 before for smoking at a non smoking place. Was my mistake for not realising that couldn\u2019t smoke there, got caught by KKM and was fined. They told me to pay at the nearest pejabat kesihatan and if pay within 2 weeks got 50% discount. After pay fine, do keep the receipt because after one year I got a letter from KKM saying that I did no payment. Went to the office again and they tak update it actually and shown them the receipt and then it\u2019s updated", "No kidding???\nCan you share what the receipt look like? I'm morbidly curios. Pls redact your personal info.", "Unfortunately I can\u2019t as those receipts got lost when I shifted actually. Sorry.", ":26557:", "Thanks!"], ["never knew they can charge someone for vaping cs the akta only mention about hasil tembakau"]]}
+{"title": "Joining property industries", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18whjha/joining_property_industries/", "num_comment": 2, "flairlabel": ["Economy & Finance"], "header": "Any property agent here able to answer my questions?I have 7 properties currently doing room renting which is 28 rooms altogether Agents keep sucking all my money from those agent fees. In the meantime I am also looking for a buyer, should I join the property industry because I already have ready stock compared to a newly started agent. By joining I also have more resources so I can buy those cheap properties without having agent as middle.Last question are there any agencies that you guys suggest? or are there any agencies that I should avoid joining?", "comments": [["You don't need to be an agent to sell your property."], ["Look a property flipper. You and your ilk are the reason why the average Malaysian cannot afford to buy a home and you still have the cheek to buy more cheap properties.\nI hope you get burnt."]]}
+{"title": "Thank for free bus", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vw1zy/thank_for_free_bus/", "num_comment": 1, "flairlabel": ["Tourism & Travel"], "header": "Happy trip in KL with GoKL bus ... free bus", "comments": [["\ud83d\udc13"]]}
+{"title": "KL skyline in Grand Archive TCG", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wdf4s/kl_skyline_in_grand_archive_tcg/", "num_comment": 3, "flairlabel": ["Meme Monday"], "header": "", "comments": [["For Malaysian memes every day of the week, please check out c/memeeveryday at our sister community monyet.cc! (why?)\nI am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns."], ["Cool"], ["Anyone playing this? How does it feel compared to something like MTG or Yu-Gi-Oh, or any tcg that you played?"]]}
+{"title": "How to publish a book", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vw288/how_to_publish_a_book/", "num_comment": 4, "flairlabel": [], "header": "Since I was 12, I really enjoy to read fantasy novel especially Japanese light novel. I always dream that there's one day I will be able to create my own story and publish it. I want to see people enjoy reading my fantasy book like the first time I read it.\nI already got a story. My target audience is teenager and children. I'm trying to find a suitable way to publish my book in Malaysia. Please help me \ud83d\ude4f", "comments": [["I do remember one of nyets asked how to publish a book, but I think that nyets already deleted the account. (I still keep the copy book that nyets gave me, which is the title is 'The porcelain princess & other fairytales' by Natalie Fu)\nLast time I gave the advice few years ago was, try ask nearby local library."], ["All kind of comes down to which route you wanna go? Traditional publishing or self publishing? Assuming you already have a finished manuscript.\nTrad publishing is a bit harder to get into than self, mainly because there are a lot of gates to pass through. If you're targeting international markets, you probably will have to try and pitch your manuscripts to agents, who will in turn try and sell it to publishers (i.e. Penguin, HarperCollins etc.). In this case, typically everything from the editing, to promotion, book covers etc. will be taken care of by the publisher, and I believe the agent's fees comes from your advance. Until you get picked up by a publisher, I believe you don't pay a cent.\nThen there's the middle ground, which is still sort of trad publishing. Approaching an indie publisher directly. You don't really need to engage an agent, and the publisher will still work on editing, book covers with you, but you will be expected to do some of the promo on your own through your socmed etc. Their reach won't be as good. Local publishers I feel also fall into this category, like https://fixi.com.my/. I believe you can actually engage them directly to send your manuscripts to them.\nSelf publishing is where you are responsible for the writing, editing, book cover and even promotion. This is where you put in the most money, but typically if you're consistent, your income can be decent. There are fewer barriers to entry, but since most folks typically do judge books by their cover, then paying for good artwork and even editing is almost a must. You can then upload to places like Amazon.\nStay away from vanity presses who promise you publishing for a fee. They just aim to make the money off your desire to see the book published physically (thus why they're called vaniity presses)."], ["There was another nyet that published and sold e book. I've purchased it. Maybe you can give that a try?", "Ohh, thank u for that suggestion"]]}
+{"title": "No Malaysians affected by earthquake in Japan", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18wdfuj/no_malaysians_affected_by_earthquake_in_japan/", "num_comment": 2, "flairlabel": [], "header": "", "comments": [["Absolutely not true. On some FB groups you can see some Malaysians travelling in Kanazawa who are stuck and wondering how to get back to Osaka/Tokyo."], ["My cousin having a holiday in Malaysia. He averted a disaster. He may be living in east coast of Japan but i am damn sure he can feel the tremor if he was there."]]}
+{"title": "Ipoh to Cameron Highlands by motorbike/scooter safe?", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vtufw/ipoh_to_cameron_highlands_by_motorbikescooter_safe/", "num_comment": 5, "flairlabel": ["Tourism & Travel"], "header": "Hello everyone,\nwe are wondering if it\u2018s safe to go from Ipoh to the Cameron Highlands by rented bikes and I can\u2018t really find infos online.\nIs the road condition good and the traffic ok? Asking mainly because the wife doesn\u2018t like mad traffic at all. But I reckon it\u2018s the best way to see a lot of stuff in the highlands instead of going on a guided tour.\nThank you for your answers!", "comments": [["if it rains heavily, not so"], ["The roads aren't bad for most part. It's pretty regular road until you reach Cameron, then the roads get a tad bit worse at some places. The traffic can be terrible depending on when you go as it is a favourite get away spot for many Malaysians.\nGenerally if you can, go on a non-holiday week day and gtfo on Saturday at latest."], ["It\u2019s possible. But it will rain and you will probably freeze when wet on the mountain. If it doesn\u2019t there is a possibility that those rented bikes are gonna overheat. The traffic is not too bad on some days better than others but I would not recommend going on that trip without the right gear and preparation. But in case u still wanna go you should book in the Smokehouse it\u2019s an amazing place to stay on the Cameron\u2019s. Have fun and enjoy Malaysia."], ["Yes, it's safe. You'd need something with a bit more grunt to get up the hills though, so most rental scooters below 155 cc are not suitable unless riding solo.\nIf you need more info please DM."], ["Can anyone recommend a good private driver for the day?"]]}
+{"title": "Why is PADU bad for the rakyat? Won\u2019t you like it if the assistance arrived towards the targeted people in need?", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vs3j9/why_is_padu_bad_for_the_rakyat_wont_you_like_it/", "num_comment": 73, "flairlabel": [], "header": "Like it\u2019s already classic that the government had its own citizens details and informations on the click of their mouse.\nWhat difference will it make if they get digitalization identity of each of the nric card holder?\nBesides i dont think they will make it only those with padu can claim the subsidies unless they want backlash from public", "comments": [["It's good overall if there is no leakage, good governance and low corruption.\nBut knowing Malaysia.. we are none of those above.\nIf that's the case, mentality will change towards -- why should I pay for their duit rasuah?", "Hm subcon money and sellinng datas to private companies.. i can see that happening", "Yea.. that too.\nI'm more concern of data leak due to lax security.. how many times now?\nEven if the security is good.. the prize is too great.", "The Election Commission is already selling your data as we speak.", "\"Selangor Menteri Besar Amirudin Shari has admitted that personal data of voters in the state had been used to enrol them in an insurance scheme managed by a subsidiary of state firm Menteri Besar Inc, as police reports were lodged over fears of a breach of personal data.\nAmirudin said the process was a \"pre-registration\" for the state government's Insurans Hayat Selangor (Insan), adding that the data were made available by the Election Commission.\n\"The data is public data that can be purchased and is used in pre-registration,\" he was quoted by Bernama as saying, following outrage on social media over the leakage of private data.\"", "If you can see that happening then you already know the answer to your question regarding the resistance. How many reported leaks and hacks into government and banking sites have taken place in just these past few years? Did you notice the increase in scammers and insurance/property agents contacted you on WhatsApp?\nEven something as essential as COVID vaccines and the mysejahtera project have been found to be wasting/embezzling money with expired vaccines and a crashed website because it used free server subscription, what more with this?\nAnd every time I hear the word subsidy I laugh... They make it sound like they're doing a charity for the rakyat when it's actually taxpayers money anyway.", "PADU is the ideal tool for dictatorship.\nWith Digital ID, government can force webservice to force all users to identify themselves or loose access, which include Reddit. How do you think freedom of speech will be affected?\nCBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency) also needed Digital ID to work, and just like the example of eMadani free RM100, how people earn their money, who they can transfer to, and where they can spend on can be controlled. Heck even expiry date for the money can be determined. Link to FMT article about CBDC.\nTargeted subsidy is just a trojan horse to bring in Digital ID, even that idea itself is flawed, and there are other solution for it, PADU is NOT the only solution.\nI would imagine monyet in this sub will be able to figure out how PADU can be weaponised against the people and wouldn't be so gullible falling for it, but I'm badly mistaken.", "I would imagine monyet in this sub will be able to figure out how PADU can be weaponised against the people and wouldn't be so gullible falling for it, but I'm badly mistaken\nBased on the COVID track record, the majority in this sub would prefer to be governed harder.", "its definitely a black mirror episode coming to real life\nman i cant imagine what kind of shit will happens once govt can oversee what we do in our phones", "Leakages will happen regardless, so I am very happy at least my tax money goes to targeted subsidies for people at least identified and vetted to receive help.", "If data does anything to an organisation, its to help patch up leakages and increase efficiency. PADU should help improve govt process if their database is accurate and relevant."], ["First of all PADU isnt bad for the Rakyat. It is actually a good initiative for the government. The thing that is bad about PADU is how it is being implemented, the government is linking PADU for their subsidy allocation and using PADU solely as that authentication method.\nThat is good on paper, the problem why it is bad practically is that the ones who sorely need the subsidy are already having a hard time facing the government red taped.\nPADU is meant to reduce the red tape, but in their wise move you as the people need to sign up for it first. While it is fine and danddy for people who are aware of such things, who has the capability to use the internet with such ease there would be those who dont such as the elderly or the destitute to name a few.\nWhat the government should be doing is linking it with their NRIC whom they already have link with a lot of governmental and non governmental institution. Such as education, wellfare, kwsp, banking, telecommunication, healthcare, SPR, JPJ, all of those are already in the hands of the government and many more, especially with how you are using your NRIC to fill up so many of their forms..\nInstead of automatically approving citizens to the database they are adding an extra layer of \"protection\". You could see it both way, the first is that the government is ensuring that the right money goes to the right people, but it could also be seen as the as a way for the government covering their asses for those whom they would undoubtedly miss. Passing the blame to the people for not signing up.\nFor the second action it should be a somewhat straight foward fix, educate the populace. The money that is used to promote the \"acheivement\" of the current government on bill boards, tv and radio commercials, self commemorating party, should be use to send people to seek those who dont have the facilities or capabilities to sign up for their program digitally. But they are not doing that, they are also putting a severely limited timeline for its implementation.\nJust look at how companies are migrating from an old apps to a new ones, it takes years to do so. The government is trying to shove it down to a couple of months. In doing so would ensure there would be people left behind.\nIn the end the government stance is handing off the responsibility of their job to the common folks. As if they are not being parasites already with the tax payers money and now the people need to do their job for them."], ["There will always be people complaining about everything.", "My thumbs are tired from all this predictive typing on my RM5000 handphone\n/s af"], ["Because we still want the money, even when we don't deserve it. Just like certain quarters benefitting from some policies, whole the B40 of that race gets pittance. Making it more effective? Cannot, later we cannot benefit from it anymore.", "A T20(suami isteri gaji 5500 each) driving an Axia will get no fuel subsidy while a b40(gaji 2400 each) with X70 will get fuel subsidy\nIt's as if kerajaan wants the classes to hate each other", "PADU (database) and the subsidy formula is supposed to solve this. We will see how well it works.", "The problem with Malaysian government(Dari zaman madey lagi) in general is that they fail to disclose exactly how things will work\nPADU supposed to launch this month , and Subsidies policies in June, and we still have no idea what will happen", "PADU is launching tomorrow. We'll see what kind of details it's going to be.", "targeted subsidy is just dumb", "What's your alternative? And what's your solution to high operation expense in the budget?", "there's no need for any alternative...everyone paid their fair share of taxes so everyone is entitled to it\nimagine u're paying more for ur house because u're paying more n u can use whatever there is in the house but suddenly one day ur family say oh u cannot use the toilet or pay extra for toilet usage because u M40 T20...\nwould u still wanna continue paying for the house??", "Ah..... the \"Fuck you, I got mine\" argument \ud83d\udc4c", "why would the rich wanna pay taxes when they dont benefit from it?", "Because they don't shit money out from their own asses?", "then u come pay for me rental...subsidise me with ur rich money but if u ever wanna come for a visit, use the toilet or whatever but pay extra on top of the rental u're already paying", "Because we live in a society, infrastructure like public roads, healthcare and education etc. have to work for your business to run.\nAnd it\u2019s an accepted social contract that the rich has to pay a fair share, which is more or at least proportionate to what they earn. And inversely, subsidies are a reverse tax so why shouldn\u2019t it be targeted to people who needs it the most? Somehow you can accept a \u201cfair share\u201d tax but can\u2019t accept a \u201cfair\u201d subsidy.", "it's not about the car you drive and we don't know whether there's a limit of subsidied petrol.", "Well. They can set something like car 2000cc below and national car only etc etc", "As it should be. How they spend their money is no concern of the govt. Subsidy should be based on income level and dependents, not lifestyle.", "It is definitely a concern to the tax payers thats subsidizing those lifestyles", "Aiyo, Then everyone can justify paying taxes. Buying X70 contributes to more taxes than income tax of RM5,500 a month.\nBy that right, Those who save the most money should be entitled to the least subsidy since they don\u2019t participate in consumerism and its superfluous taxes.", "The point of subsidies is to help the poor\nNot to subsidize stupid lifestyle", "The \u201cstupid lifestyle\u201d is the whole basis of our economy. High income doesn\u2019t come from thin air. It comes from people having wants that others find stupid and companies selling them those wants. The final customer of all companies are the regular consumer. Everyone\u2019s income is contributed by stupid spending in some way.\nThe poor knows where to prioritise their money. Helping the poor is more than just \u201cbagi duit untuk beras\u201d."], ["Problem is it not practical due our Malaysia are known for their lack of efficiency"], ["From what i remember, padu started development in june. Im not a programmer, but anyone in that field can share what do they think a project of this scale is done in 6 month. How reliable and secure is it?", "if i remember correctly, this is just phase 1. Not the full implementation", "Yes data security is phase 4, rilek la sup kok lu", "Data security can be as advanced as possible yet the assholes working inside will still leak or sell your data.", "When the rest of the world are also implementing Digital ID and CBDC in their own country in lockstep, it is most likely they share similar codebase.\nhttps://www.atlanticcouncil.org/cbdctracker/\nIt just so happen Rafizi decided to use fuel subsidy to trojan horse Digital ID into Malaysia. Sneaky bastard."], ["PADU is great initiative. a consolidation of updated information of people income can be used as a foundation to design more robust economic policies that will benefit people who really need them. This later can be expended to other initiatives in the future\nhowever Malaysian does not known for their cybersecurity practices and the job to construct this databse will fall to either:\ncronies that will subcon them to the lowest of subcon chains\ncontractor that offer the lowest price that also will subcon them to the lowest of subcon chains\nthe question will be:\ndo the govnt have taken necessary measures to ensure the data is will not be leaked?\nwho can access this data? will it be passed to banks or insurance companies?", "Some of your concerns are already answered by Rafizi:\nhttps://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0mYY7HFVSfM7z7xL7SrwBRkj5iSHL4BENxDMAMbRkUDKS8JBEa18YCvhqfc9kkEjnl&id=100044561133929&mibextid=UyTHkb", "PADU tidak akan melibatkan pembayaran setiap tahun kepada penyedia sistem pihak swasta seperti yang selalu berlaku kerana ia dibangunkan sepenuhnya oleh penjawat awam dan milik kerajaan sepenuhnya\nthey even have their own server and everything up by themselves. i kneel:26554:", "To believe they do everything themselves is just na\u00efve.\nDigital ID and CBDC will be a global initiative, and it will be linked together. Just check this map. There is no way they are creating the code themselves, it most likely came from another company from another country.\n<image>\nMost likely from someone connected to the World Economic Forum too.", "nothing related but world bank manager came to iium last week.", "Server kerajaan selalu crash."], ["A specific \"this is how much fanfanye spend and got subsidies this month\" is a whole lot more invasive than just \"this is how much they earn this month\""], ["Good initiative but implementation is going to involve corruption. End result might be worst than current system."], ["What's PADU?", "Some national registry database. Typical government of the day gimmick, just like the previous email 1Malaysia and MySejahtera. Next election when the government changes, PADU will be shut down for sure.", "It is an ideal dictatorship tool, unless the people voice out to reject it outright before implementation, it will be very hard to cancel it because the next government will want to abuse it too.\nJust look at other countries which are also implementing Digital ID (CBDC requires Digital ID to work). https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/cbdctracker/", "Lol the next government will just shut down the program and come up with another program with their own brand. What do you think is happening to MySejahtera?\nIf there's anyone who wants to abuse the data, it's more likely to be the private contractors who build these systems on the first place.", "You're right about the re-brand.\nAnd also thanks for bringing up MySejahtera. Just like many other countries, it is most likely a test program to see how obedient the civilians are into giving up their privacy for the idea of being safer.\nOther countries also did the same, but most of the people do not comply. As for Malaysian? Really really obedient. That's how they know PADU will easily get many people sign-up, especially after Rafizi saying:\n\"If you do not update your data, there is no problem, but if you do not receive (subsidies), don't be angry,\" he said at a press conference here today."], ["Would Singapore registered cars be allowed to pump Ron95 petrol once it goes into force?"], ["What if we have a \"rich\" family , but have sick parents or kid where after all of the expenses, they are worse then some B40. For example.\nWife salary (RM8k)+ Husband Salary (9k)\nParents got stroke, medication + caretaker already RM11k.\nSon have rare sickness and medication already RM3k per month\nFood, Bill, etc per month RM2000. (Already save alot from here, no eat out, etc)\nLeft RM1000 for saving.\nIf remove subsidi for this family, they will have no more money at the end of the month", "Well that\u2019s currently happening now, PADU is meant to solve it."], ["And of course when the padu launched, all price including your food price will increase 50%. So say hi to nasi lemak rm10 this year."], ["In the past, the concession made was that even though government was race-focused and was full of cronyism and inefficiencies - we wanted to at least have subsidies so that we can see few cents on every ringgit back in a transparent way. Anybody from top 1% and bottom 20% can all see and benefit from this.\nRemoving this, maybe a good move. But I can see it falling sideways. Probably only getting it right like 7-8 years later."], ["Susahkan rakyat lagi. Malaysia Madini."], ["Automated subsidies (whether blanket or targeted) should be an income supplement instead. (Call it brim, Madani cash, negative income tax, whatever)\nThen have annual review based on localized cost of living"], ["data security ?"], ["This govt either put in more tax or remove subsidy.", "Those actions are long overdue. Glad that current govt is doing it instead of just passing it to future govt."], ["The good or bad is just speculation now. Let's judge it after 2-3 years"], ["Wing kaizer?"], ["Think most of those oppose this because of Malaysia cyber security and some of the opponents don't want govt to have the ability to control their life.\nAs for me think it's a good initiative especially if can prevent leakage of subsidies."], ["Perkeso, a government agency already got hacked. I don't expect PADU won't face the same issue."], ["would it even be possible to manage the humongous data without comprising on the security aspect?"], ["This has been Rafizi\u2019s pet project, it will fail spectacularly due to poor execution. And what appears to be his own incompetence, which I did not foresee."]]}
+{"title": "ICYMI: Plan to buy things online? Take note that low-value goods (under RM500) shipped from overseas will be imposed a 10% sales tax effective today, 1st January 2024.", "href": "/r/malaysia/comments/18vvejj/icymi_plan_to_buy_things_online_take_note_that/", "num_comment": 4, "flairlabel": ["Economy & Finance"], "header": "https://soyacincau.com/2023/12/18/malaysia-low-value-goods-10-pct-tax-online-shopping-shipped-overseas/", "comments": [["I pay the 10% during the purchase right?", "Yup", "But what if I buy it from an online store abroad, instead of something like Lazada / Shopee ?\nI will have to pay when the parcel arrives at kastam ?", "iirc, you do need to pay for that 10% any items that being imported from other country to Malaysia will be charged with that 10% tax."]]}